Her husband was killed in the Madrid bombings. From Expatica, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
MADRID – The widow of a man killed in the Madrid bombings attended the trial of Islamic radicals with a cartoon of the prophet Mohammed with a bomb on her T-shirt....The T-shirt was a copy of the cartoons showing Mohammed on top of a bomb which were first printed by a Danish magazine and which caused disturbances in Muslim countries around the world.
I suspect it is actually the one with a bomb on top of Muhammad, that is, a bomb in his turban.
The judge decided the woman was free to wear what she liked and could come back to the court if she wished.The woman, who was not identified, is a member of the Association of those Affected by Terrorism.
"the Association of those Affected by Terrorism."
....an association with an evergrowing membership.....and actually that should read "affected by Muslim Terrorism"...to be more accurate..
I don't know who this woman is, but I do know I love her.
exsgtbrown,
that ever-growing membership will eventually result in the "Association of Infidels"
Brave woman, indeed.
But in fact she has nothing to loose...
Early candidate for anti-Dhimmi of the year...along with that Egyptian blogger (who admittedly is in front spot imo)
you go girl!!
Good for her! Also it's refreshing that the judge didn't tell her that it might be offensive to you know who.
Very brave woman and a judge that made the right decision, its things like this that make me feel that things are getting better.
It should become common practise in the West. If 100,000s of people did it all the time, they'd all shut up in the end. You can only keep up rage and anger for so long, especially if you're faking it.
I don't know who this woman is, but I do know I love her.
Posted by: The fanatic at March 26, 2007 12:51 PM
SHes mine!
that woman has more courage than the spanish politicians.
...If true, the woman must have lost her mind while griefing for her husband...What does she get out of doing that except anger Muslims (mind you some of whom sympathise with her)?
I want to share with you guys a little piece of conclussion I have come to. The non-muslims who are foul-mouthed and hate Islam are cowards when compared to their non-muslim brethen who seek to understand and tolerate Islam....Allah is most great.
Abdullah, I feel that the only Muslims who will get angry with her for wearing that shirt are the very same Muslims who support the killings of non-muslims, the burning of embassies, and the myriad terror attacks, one of which took her husband.
Think, no more terror attacks by muslims - no more shirts with Mohammad with a bomb for a turban.
You better get craking on writing that fatwa against bin Laden and the removing the violent aspects of your religion if you would like us Reasonable People (tm) from making linkages between violence and Islam.
...If true, the woman must have lost her mind while griefing for her husband...What does she get out of doing that except anger Muslims--Abdullah
Do you really think the woman gives a damn if she angers Muslims? It was Muslims who killed her husband; she wouldn't even need to grieve over him if not for them. If anybody has a right to be angry, it is her; not them over some silly drawing of their false prophet.
Dear Abdullah,
We had some three hundred Muslims demonstrating outside the Danish embassy about the cartoons.
How come there was no Muslim demo of sympathy outside the Spanish one after the Madrid bombings?
Abdullah,
Why should she fear angered Muslims over a cartoon on a T Shirt?
Abdullah, I want to share with you some conclusions I have come to.
1) Muslims are pagans and worship a BLACK STONE!
2) Islam is the world's most intolerant relgion.
3) The Quran is full of hatred and blasphemy!
4) Moslems believe in many gods, allah is just the "head god."
The much smarter Jews, who really are monotheists say: "The Lord Our God is ONE."
The pagan muslims say "Our god is greater." To be greater, there must (according to islam) be other gods.
O My God! I could sit here all day and list you the number of countries America has bombed mercilessly until the cows come home. I am an intelligent Muslim who does not appreciate 'collective guilt'. By that, I mean not all americans become evil for the actions of their government in my eyes. Why can't you do the same when you see the same atrocities committed in Islam's name? Why demand a huge demo to condemn fellow Muslims while your governments are still 'at it'...wiping out Muslims in cold terror.
Allah knows Best
@abdullah
You say Allah is most great.
Does that mean he's bigger and stronger and more powerful than my God. My God is YHWH. THERE IS NO OTHER GOD.
Like I said above, you are a pagan and your god is a pagan god.
allah is Most great? Did allah wrestle the other gods to prove it or do tje slaves of allah kill more of his enemies to prove it. What exactly makes your moon god allah greater than the elephant god Ganesha?
I don't expect an answer, I am sure this Troll for Allah has already left, but this is bothering me:
Abdullah, what is worse:
1) Wearing a T-shirt with that has a picture of Mohammad with a bomb as a turban, after muslims killed your spouse and 190 other innocent people?
-or-
2.) The killing of 191 innocent people for the sake of Allah and securing paradise for oneself?
We already know who you think really "lost their mind" in your own words.
Let us know, if you are trully a man.
alla knows best?
why? because you say so?
Ganesha is more powerful than allah the moon god. Verily it is true because I say it is true.
Ganesha knows best.
Abdullah, we know what's in the Qur'an and we know the history of Islamic imperialism, you fool no one here.
@abdullah,
Everytime your lips move, you lie.
My government is not wiping out Muslims in cold terror. Cold terror is a specialty of Islam and its war on infidels. My government is giving Muslims a much better life than they could have in their own countries.
We actually tried to help them and continue to give billions of dollars in jizya to help feed them. The Palestinians would starve without our help.
We should be throwing them all out of the country and we should never ever give a cent to them.
"What does she get out of doing that except anger Muslims (mind you some of whom sympathise with her)?"
Priceless.
The slightest hint of provocation - it's only a cartoon, for goodness' sake - and out comes the victimhood card.
I would hope that there is sufficient compassion in Islam to forgive this woman, even if her act 'offends' Muslims.
So let us compare the 'victims' in this scenario:
- A woman whose husband's life was extinguished by a bomb attack mounted by jihadists;
- A Muslim whose Prophet-in-Chief has been satirised in a cartoon.
I know who wins my sympathy vote.
To Ynkedoodl2:
Muslims are not pagans. I dont know where you got that info from. Muslims hate paganistic beliefs which they call SHIRK - associating partners with Allah. You do not know or have not understood the first pillar in ISLAM, a declaration, .."There is no god worthy of ALL worship except Allah and Mohammad is the messenger of Allah"
We reject associating partners whether Jesus or stone-Bhuda with God who built the universe in six days and then established Himself above the throne under which is water under which are the seven heaveans....Let me further clear your mind with the following verses in surat Ikhlas
"..Say He is Allah, the ONE, the absolute, He never begets nor is He begotten, And there is NONE like unto Him"....
The black stone you speak of is called Kaba, it is merely a unifying direction to pray to God for all humanity. The house built first by Adam as a house of remembrance dedicated to Allah.
Our God and Your God is One. He is the creator of all creation. He has no rivals in His kingdom. Our belief does not increase an atom's weight to His Kingdom neither does any disbelief decrease an atom's weight from His Kingdom.
He sends prophets and messengers as a mercy to guide men and women away from the fire and into paradise. He is the lord of the 12 tribes of Israel's children, He is the one that spoke to Moses (peace be upon him) directly, It is the same God that instructed Noah to build an ark for the faithful under His eyes.
Verily we, muslims, believe in the revelation sent down to us and that sent down to those before us. Thank Allah, lord of the worlds...
@ABDULLAH-WRITES
"The black stone you speak of is called Kaba, it is merely a unifying direction to pray to God for all humanity. The house built first by Adam as a house of remembrance dedicated to Allah."
FOR ALL HUMANITY? THAT'S A JOKE.
HOW DO YOU KNOW ADAM BUILT IT?
I SAY THE BIBLE IS TRUE AND THE QURAN IS A BAD RIP-OFF. THE JEWS SOLD MUHAMMAD CHEAP, FAKE OLD TESTAMENT STORIES AND MUHAMMAD COULDN'T READ SO HE DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. THE QURAN IS FULL OF ERROR.
The bible has ARCHEOLOGICAL PROOF. The Bible has DOCUMENTARY PROOF and PROPHETIC TRUTH.
ISLAM IS A SCHEME TO PROMOTE THE ARAB PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM SUPERIOR, JUST LIKE JUDAIASM IS A SCHEME TO MAKE THE JEWS SUPERIOR.
ISLAM IS A VEHICLE FOR ARAB IMPERIALISM! Islam is a scheme to promote Arabs and make everyone else serve and enrich them.
@Abdullah
It is clear, from a historical point of view, that Muhammad, as a youth participated in worshipping all the 360 pagan gods in the Kabah in Mecca owned and operated by the Quraish tribe to which Muhammad was member in good standing. As Muhammad grew up, he was influenced by Christians (monotheists) who condemned the polytheism at the Kabah. At some point in Muhammad’s life, he was convinced by the Christians that Polytheism was wrong and sought to reject the 360 pagan gods he had grown up with. Muhammad was converted to the concept of monotheism through the influence and teachings of Christians. However, being a proud "nationalistic cultural Arab", bent to preserve his traditions, Muhammad, decided to "reform" his native pagan religion, rather than adopt a completely different religion like Christianity. So Muhammad took the top pagan god of the Kabah in Mecca (called Hubal and/or Allah) and chose it to be his new monotheistic god. This god was already considered the top god among other gods at the Kabah. Muhammad’s strategy was simple. Rather than converting all the Arab people to the monotheism of Christianity, Muhammad merely banished the other 359 pagan gods and chose the one remaining to be the one and only god... what Muslims refer to today as "Allah". Thus Islam was born.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-polytheism.htm
I gather you have lost the thread of arguement by lambasting an entire nation (arabs).
..."Islam is for all, no white is superior to any black and no black is superior to any white...no arab is superior to a non-arab and no non-arab is superior to an arab"...words of propher Mohammad
You believe in the Injeel given to Isa, son of maryam. Today's bible has be fabricated beyond the TRUTH taught by Jesus christ. He never taught you that he is God....There isn't a single verse in today's bible in which Jesus peace be upon him says,
...." I am God, Worship me".....or anything remotely like it....I dare you to show me.
"The black stone you speak of is called Kaba, it is merely a unifying direction to pray to God for all humanity. The house built first by Adam as a house of remembrance dedicated to Allah."
sorry, idolizing a stone is something that cave men used to do 6000 years ago when they were barely animals, and what muslims still do nowadays.
We evolved since then, muslims have not. Back to your cave.
"We reject associating partners whether Jesus or stone-Bhuda with God..."
So much for respecting the People of the Book, Abdullah.
As for associating partners with God, the Trinity are all part of the One God, and He's not Allah.
Jesus is the Son of God, and as such is also God. I don't expect you to understand that, but understand this:
Christians are getting mighty tired of being blasphemed, and vilified and demeaned by the two-faced pratings of those who believe that they are the Best People.
If you muslims have so much love and respect for your 'brothers in the abrahamic faiths' then why all the murder and bloodshed? Why the forced conversions, the destruction of churches and synagogues and desecration of graves?
You will not find sympathy here for your concerns about a tshirt with Mohammed on it. We have seen our Christ dropped into urine and our Madonna drawn in dung. Do you think we give a toss about a drawing?
We are big enough to let the insult to our God slide by, even though it hurts and angers us. You are not.
Are you, Abdullah, capable of looking at this from another direction and seeing that a woman whose husband was murdered is entitled to express herself by wearing a tshirt? Or are you of the belief that she should be home awaiting orders from her guardian and not be at the court in the first place.
"..."Islam is for all, no white is superior to any black and no black is superior to any white...no arab is superior to a non-arab and no non-arab is superior to an arab"...words of propher Mohammad"
your prophet also told you how to wipe your ass, did you know that? do you follow it literally using rocks?
A great brave woman.
Strange - the MSM in the UK have not reported the trial let alone her demonstration!
My friend, what you hold truthful are merely myths, conjecture and a product of the mass indoctrination injected into your hateful blood.
The truth has come and falshood turned on its head.
Praise be to Allah, besides whom there is no other god and peace and blessings be upon His messengers and those who follow in their foot steps (rejecting false deities)
Peace all .... I am out for the night
I guess Abdullah lacks the rocks to respond to my question.
In addition Abdullah, Ynkedoodl2 is not badmouthing the Arab people, but Islam, a social construct and a universalist ideology deserving of critique.
Read what Ynkedoodl2 posted, reproduced below:
"ISLAM IS A SCHEME TO PROMOTE THE ARAB PEOPLE AND MAKE THEM SUPERIOR.."
"Islam is a scheme to promote Arabs and make everyone else serve and enrich them"
He is in no way insulting Arabs, and therefore is not losing the argument.
you are losing the argument by being false and using subterfuge.
Dear Fred or anyone,
By MSM, do you mean mainstream media? I was just checking what those letters stood for.
As I was about to leave, I couldn't resist leaving one more comment. Yes it is true that our prophet taught us hygiene in its purest form. He taught us to wash and pray five times a day. He taught us to wash our private parts after answering the call of nature. He taught us to shower after sex among many other things....
Allah told the truth when He said, in surat Mohammad, "We did not send you (o mohammad) except as a mercy to the worlds"
It is nice to walk around with a clean ass instead of a toilet-paper hanging dirty ass...etc
Peace
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A mysterious aerial device falls in Somalia
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@abdullah
You say that the Bible must be fabricated because Jesus never said He was God and never told people to worship him. And then you say, there is not a single instance of Jesus saying that in the Bible.
Right! Exactly!
So, now, you agree with me that Islam LIES!!!
Abdullah, I am afraid there is a good chance that you are not practising Islam sufficiently:
Say before entering the toilet: In the name of Allah, O Allah! I seek refuge with You from all offensive and wicked things (Al-Bukhaaree)
One should enter the toilet with the left foot and leave with the right foot.
It is not permissible to enter the toilet whilst carrying or wearing anything bearing the name of Allah, such as the Quran, or any book with the name of Allah in it, or jewelry such as bracelets or necklaces engraved with the name of Allah.
....
One should avoid going to the toilet anywhere where people may take rest or gather for any purpose.
Do not raise clothes until you get close to the ground and do not uncover the body any more than is needed.
One should sit on the feet (e.g. squat) keeping thighs wide apart with the stress on the left foot.
Do not look to the private parts of the body nor the waste matter passed from the body.
Do not sit more than needed.
Do not spit, blow nose, look hither and thither, touch the body unnecessarily nor look towards the sky but relieve oneself with the eyes downcast in modesty.
.....
After relieving oneself it is essential to perform Istinjaa (washing with water) of the anus and/or genitals with the left hand and water. The precise mode of performing Istinjaa has also been defined by religious leaders: "At the beginning of Istinja, it is preferable to use toilet paper three times. If Istinjaa is being done on a hot day, then the person should start from the front to the back and then from the back to the front and the third time from the front to the back. If Istinjaa is being done on a cold day, then he should begin from the back to the front. After wiping, he should wash his hand first and then he should cleanse himself with two fingers and three fingers if necessary together with ‘pouring’ water. When using the two fingers, one should keep the middle finger in front and the ring and index finger behind it. After beginning with the fingers in this position, he should bring the ring finger forward and rub with the middle finger and ring finger. Thereafter, he will wipe with the index finger, if necessary. He should continue until all the impurity and smell is removed. The left over water after Istinjaa is paak only if there is no impurity in it." (Mufti Ebrahim Desai) And further: "To wash the orifice with water, even though no filth is stuck to it after relieving oneself, is desirable. If the filth is sticking to it (less than a Dirham or equal to it) then the use of water is 'Sunnah' (optional) and in the case the filth stuck to the orifice is more than a Dirham then its washing with the water is 'Fard'. (obligatory)" Islamic Academy
Other than toilet paper, water and the left hand Istinjaa can be performed with earth, grit, stones and worn-out cloths provided they are all clean. It is forbidden to perform Istinyaa with bone, any edible item, dry dung, baked brick, potsherd, coal, fodder, writing paper and anything which has even a small value.
After this process the hands should also be washed.
When leaving the toilet one should also say a prayer, "Praise be to Allah who relieved me of the filth and gave me relief."
All this and more from wikipedia.
@abdullah
Geesh! I thought, maybe, Muslims used toilet paper to wipe their asses by now. Silly me.
So, Muslims continue to wipe their asses with stones? Is that because they worship muhammad and have to wipe their asses just as he did?
Isn't that carrying muhammad worship too far?
"Muslims hate paganistic beliefs which they call SHIRK" --Abdullah
Apart from a small "throughly subdued" tolerance (subject to humiliating conditions) for "People Of The Book", Islam is FILLED WITH HATRED for others, for Non-Muslims. This is what causes the Islamic Terrorism we see all across the world today and throughout the history of Islam where it intersects with Non-Muslims.
O My God! I could sit here all day and list you the number of countries America has bombed mercilessly until the cows come home. I am an intelligent Muslim who does not appreciate 'collective guilt'. By that, I mean not all americans become evil for the actions of their government in my eyes. Why can't you do the same when you see the same atrocities committed in Islam's name? Why demand a huge demo to condemn fellow Muslims while your governments are still 'at it'...wiping out Muslims in cold terror.
Abdullah
Lets talk. I am not American.
I understand your point on 'collective guilt'.
I concur with what you say.
And yes, there are quite a few actions by Western Nations over the years that have never been right. I agree. And on the subject matter of Iraq, I personally disagree with the invasion of it as it was based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction.
But in terms of Islam, I do condemn the entire religion on the basis of what the Quran, the Hadith collections of Bukhari & Muslim and the Sira.
Islam is totalitarian, no different in that respect than communism in its outlook.
A few questions:
Q1: Do you support the verse in Surah 9, the penultimate or last Surah ever given when it says
"9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful."
Q2: Do you agree with the "Sahih Muslim 19:4294" as detailed here
http://www.iiu.edu.my/deed/hadith/muslim/019_smt.html
where the 3 courses of action for Jews and Christians are
(i) Invite to become a Muslim
(ii) If they do not wish, invite to pay the Jizya tax
(iii) otherwise kill them
Q3: Do you have comments to make on the first 4 Caliphs whose actions are said to be "rightfully guided", yet in their time:
The conquest of Syria & Jerusalem in 637AD
The invasion of Egypt in 641AD
The conquest of Cyprus in 647AD
Q4: Do you agree with
i) The invasion and subjugation of Spain from 711AD to 1492AD
ii) The occupation of Nimes in France in 725AD
ii) The invasion of France and battle at Tours in 732AD
iii) The siege of Vienna in 1529AD
iv) The siege of Vienna in 1683AD
The fact is
- what the Quran says
- what the Hadith collections say
- what the Sira says
- the given history of Muslims in North Africa, Asia Minor & Europe where they systematically enslaved, raped, murdered non-Muslims and have been doing that for the best part of 1400 years.
Have you anything to say in your defense?
Elephant
Yes.
There is also
IMO = In my opinion and,
IMHO = In my humble opinion
BTW = By the way
However I have not workd out LOL yet.
Answer anyone?
no arab is superior to a non-arab... except in Darfur...
LOL=Laughed out loud
LOL=Lots of laughs
It's during exchanges like the above that I miss AmericaninGermany.
Anyway, Ynkedoodl2, I know where you're coming from, but I don't believe that any god - YHWH, Ganesh, Jesus, Buddha, et al deserves to be denigrated by being equated with Allah.
And Abdullah, that woman owes it to no-one, least of all you, to not insult the founder of the cult that caused the death of her husband. Nor does she need the crocodile tears of any of your fellow thugs - and neither is she a coward. Reason non-Muslims who seek to 'understand and tolerate Islam' aren't cowards is that they have nothing to fear from those who've succeeded in duping them.
Abdullah,
"You believe in the Injeel given to Isa, son of maryam. Today's bible has be fabricated beyond the TRUTH taught by Jesus christ. He never taught you that he is God....There isn't a single verse in today's bible in which Jesus peace be upon him says,
...." I am God, Worship me".....or anything remotely like it....I dare you to show me."
Would it suprise you that Jesus DOES say he is united with the Heavenly Father God. John 8:58, that is the Gospel of John, Jesus does say that before Abraham came to be, I AM. That is the lasting testomony to prove that Jesus is the Son of God as well as the Son of Mary. That settles all arguments presented in the above paragraph.
Also if the Holy Bible is so bad, why is it the greatest best seller of all time? Says something about the TRUTH of the Holy Bible.
I am happily surprised that this woman has the strength of character to make her opinion known in such a way. Three cheers for her. She wears a caricature of a would-be prophet that itself was the source of much Moslem screeching, the outcries of victimhood by those whose toes are so long so as to be unavoidable. Does this mean that the rest of humanity, not so afflicted with hyperdactylism, are to stop walking, to stop moving entirely, indeed to stop breathing?
Indeed she is, as one poster has noted, very likely grieving for her husband. But she is channeling her grief in a way that is intelligent and to the point. Unlike so many hapless Moslem women, burka-bagged and beaten, she is directly reminding the world of the true author behind these attacks: the raiders' code formulated by one Mohammed, calling himself prophet and the best of men.
A woman to be admired, Bravo.
A lady whose grief deserves honor and her courage, in the face of widespread cowardice and hysteria, should inspire more such acts of determination to resist the intolerance and terror rising from the dismal dogmas of the Koran. (Suras 9:5 & 9:29-30, ad nauseam)
*~@):~{>
"Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees."- as another Spanish woman put it.
Abdullard-
In bold, just for you.
(Turn sideways, to the right, if you don't 'get' it.)
*~@):~{>
As Mohammad also said:
"A Muslim should not wear a shirt, trousers, a turban, a hooded cloak, a garment touched by perfume, or boots, but if he does not have sandles, can cut the boots down below his ankles."
What a cosmic waste of time this guy's overly-invasive, demented-nanny advice is.
How to blow your nose. How to fondle you menstruating slave girl. How to squeeze a weasel.
(Made the last one up... but how could you tell?)
Nuts. Totally.
..If true, the woman must have lost her mind while griefing for her husband...What does she get out of doing that except anger Muslims (mind you some of whom sympathise with her)?
Dear Abby..
Wouldn't want to "anger the mooselimbs" would we now..? Your statement sounds like a not-so-veiled threat!
To us she is an Instant Euoropean Heroine!
She is modern-day Jeanne D'Arc D'Espagne!
Spain is a European country, dear Abby. Es un Pais Cristiano!
WE Europeans have EVERY right to speak as we please and if it "angers the mooselimbs" - even BETTER afaik.
Makes it more fun.
To those who don't like our European sense of Humor - Vamooseleems!! That's GET OUT in New Yawkeze!
And don't let the door hit ya!
..If true, the woman must have lost her mind while griefing for her husband...What does she get out of doing that except anger Muslims (mind you some of whom sympathise with her)?
Dear Abby..
Wouldn't want to "anger the mooselimbs" would we now..? Your statement sounds like a not-so-veiled threat!
To us she is an Instant Euoropean Heroine!
She is modern-day Jeanne D'Arc D'Espagne!
Spain is a European country, dear Abby. Es un Pais Cristiano!
WE Europeans have EVERY right to speak as we please and if it "angers the mooselimbs" - even BETTER afaik.
Makes it more fun.
To those who don't like our European sense of Humor - Vamooseleems!! That's GET OUT in New Yawkeze!
And don't let the door hit ya!
When leaving the toilet one should also say a prayer, "Praise be to Allah who relieved me of the filth and gave me relief."
Posted by: npabga
FUNNY stuff! I was thinking this prayer a good one once all of Europe have rid ourselves of this plague!
Lets do a Benes Decree on all mooselimbs!
Really, who cares what this thug abdullah has to say? He's a thug, a follower of a thug cult.
At the end of day, we will rid of the world of them.
Quite useless to argue with Abdullah about religious "truths". He thinks you're pagans and you think he's a pagan. So what? Let's stick to the realities, i.e. what effect his religion and beliefs have on the world today.
It is nice to walk around with a clean ass instead of a toilet-paper hanging dirty ass...etc
Peace
Posted by: Abdullah
Then take your "handwashed ass" back to SOWdi Arabia? Why do you want to live among us 'infidels' anyway? I have YET to hear a plausible explanation from a moslem or even from one of their sycophants in the West for WHY they want to live among us - while at the same thime the HATE and DESPISE us so.
I am going to ask a rhetorical question: Care to Enlighten Me?
The pagan muslims say "Our god is greater." To be greater, there must (according to islam) be other gods.
Posted by: Ynkedoodl2
Perfect!
Using logic with a moslem is like explaining quantum physics to a child.
Remember, their ONE God is *greater*.
Love it. Haha.. Home run!
Abdullah:
Thank you very much for confirming that Islam creates people that are predisposed to violence based on no self-control which also forces your females to hide their skin in fear of inciting Muslim men to rape them .
I just hope and pray that you don't work at a womens shelter , the last thing they need to hear is a Muslim male explaining how it was their fault for inciting the partner to beat them .
Just because Muslims are so easily provoked
to riot and kill it doesn't mean that every non-Muslim is the problem for wearing or acting in a way that offends Allah , maybe the problem is paranoia and denial over the Quran being the common denominator for every Muslim terrorist.
To you: you ask why Muslims live in the west? First of all the earth belongs to Allah and it was written in the Zabour (the psalms) ..."the earth shall be inherited by the rightous servants of Allah"....Believe me Muslims do not live here out of love for you or your kufr lifestyles.
Those here, are here because of an injustice caused by the west. The west helps ruthless secular dictators in Muslim countries who do not rest day and night except when their masters desire.
If the west stops interfering in Muslim affairs, I tell you, there wont be a single Muslim left in the west. Muslims seek a better life in the west (however - uninviting it is) and the west needs Muslim expertise (given most of you have become crack-heads)
There are some idiotic people in here. For God's sake, think. Who is more paganistic;
1)One Who believes in three gods and is retarded enough to think 3 is same as 1
2)or One who calls you to, "Say Verily our God and your God are One, and unto Him (ALONE) we submit ourselves" (Al-Quran)
Abdullah,
I wish that you would go and preach your eclectic vision of Islam to your Muslim brethren. It is obvious that they have missed that Islam can be as liberal and broadminded as you claim.
Please put your faith in action. Let's see whether out of your action peaceful deeds are generated in your community. Then with the passing of a few decades we will see whether you have been successful in promoting love and peace in the Muslim community.
Actions speak louder than words.
You waste your time with your words here because the effects of Islam speak louder than your words.
Go to the Muslims and leave us for now. Please.
"...Jesus christ. He never taught you that he is God....There isn't a single verse in today's bible in which Jesus peace be upon him says, I am God, Worship me".....or anything remotely like it....I dare you to show me."
posted by Abdullah above.
Okay, I'll take your dare! Jesus, speaking of God the Father said: "I and my Father are one" (John 10:30) to which: ""The Jews answered him saying,'For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy, and because that thou being a man, makest thyself a God '" (John 10:33).
and
Jesus claimed, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father" (John 14:9)
and when Thomas, seeing Jesus after His ressurection exclaimed: "My Lord and my God!" (John 20:28) Jesus did not rebuke him but praised Thomas as a believer.
Abdullah wrote:
..."Islam is for all, no white is superior to any black and no black is superior to any white...no arab is superior to a non-arab and no non-arab is superior to an arab"...words of propher Mohammad
Abdullah,
We here are all still waiting for Islam's explanation for Darfur, and that ridiculous taqiyya-ridden statement you provided above.
tick...tick...tick...tick...tick...
and the west needs Muslim expertise--Abdullah
On what, exactly? I can't think of one thing since the medieval era that Muslims have to offer the west, aside from war, poverty, and ignorance.
"and the west needs Muslim expertise" --Abdullah.
Best Laugh I've had all day :-D
Abdullah, I left off one last clincher. In the first chapter of John, Jesus is referred to as the "Word" (Logos) with these words "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
So here the Injil clearly says that Jesus is God!
Provoslavni
sorry but the judaeo-christo religion is probably the source of all thats wrong on this earth, look how many cults and christo offshoots resulted from this man made farce.
the romans did a really poor job in ending the root of all evil.
Abdullah,
"There are some idiotic people in here. For God's sake, think. Who is more paganistic;
1)One Who believes in three gods and is retarded enough to think 3 is same as 1
2)or One who calls you to, "Say Verily our God and your God are One, and unto Him (ALONE) we submit ourselves" (Al-Quran)"
Still waiting for the answer why the Holy Bible is the greatest bestseller book of all times. Please do think on this one. The greatness of the Holy Trinity is both not only the holy mystery of it, three persons in ONE GODHEAD but it also inspiring this same Holy Bible.
PS: The woman is a hero for standing up for the right to wear the tee-shirt. God Bless her.
Have a good night!
One more time:
Abdullah, what is worse:
1) Wearing a T-shirt with that has a picture of Mohammad with a bomb as a turban, after muslims killed your spouse and 190 other innocent people?
-or-
2.) The killing of 191 innocent people for the sake of Allah and securing paradise for oneself?
What would Mohammad and Allah approve of?
Allah would approve of 2.)
It's all in the Quran
leonthepigfarmer,
Abdullah dared anyone to show that the Gospels (Injil) teach that Jesus is God. Whether you believer or not is irrelevant, the Gospels (especially John) are quite clear on this issue. That's the reason Christianity is a seperate religion and not just a school of Judaism.
bigcatgirl13106,
Well said! In my eyes(and heart), the beauty of the Holy Trinity is that its very nature resolves the age-old conflict of whether unity or diversity is superior, the one versus the many. God being absolutely ONE yet being Three shows that both unity (the individual) and diversity (the community) are equally God-ordained.
Thus Christianity has by its nature developed the equal principles of individual rights and the responsibility of the individual to the social unit. This is something that neither the absoute monism of Islam nor polytheism (secular or religious) can achieve.
FreeSpeech:
I agree as well, it is just part and parcel with what Mohammad has brought.
But I wonder how Abdullah would answer.
"Would", because we all know he won't.
So prove us wrong and answer, or keep quiet and prove that the world body of infidels is AGAIN correct in recognizing the linkages between violence, hate, and terror, with ISLAM.
The black stone you speak of is called Kaba...
written by Abdullah (the phony)
The black stone is called al hajrul aswat or some such. It is a small stone in the corner of the kaba and not the cubical kaba building itself. Please take note of it. fool...
believe it or die dude...
nabi ZK
Told you you weren't banned or censored from posting. But can you handle the heat?
Oh golly gosh, late to the party and I miss the drivel of the slave of al-ilah.
Folks, I thought naseem's dribblings should have convinced you by now - there is no logic or reason in the world of islam, and its therefore utterly pointless to try to counter a mawzlem with reason.
For example, the slave of the meteorite challenges anyone to show him where in the bible Jesus says he is God. But of course, he also asserts that the Bible of today is 'fabricated', in line with common islamic teaching. So what was the point in demonstrating that Jesus does indeed say that throughout the gospels, which were 'fabricated'?
(An aside: the interesting question is, when were they fabricated, or altered? This accusation is not from the kran, as I'm sure the good slave of the rock will know, nowhere in the kran does it say the Testaments have been 'altered', for if it did, why would it instruct its followers to read the 'Books previously given'(I'm not going to quote the chapter and verse where it says this because, frankly, I can't be bothered - I'm sure our good slave of the rock will know exactly)? The kran tells its weary readers that Jews and Christians have hidden parts, not that the texts have been altered, which leads us to ask - when were these corruptions given. exactly? Sometime after the time of Mo's rantings? Perhaps, but then, the earliest textual sources for the modern day bible long predate old Mo.)
Told you you weren't banned or censored from posting. But can you handle the heat?
Posted by: zonie kafir
Seems he cant. He didnt even attempt to answer my simple question.
Abdullah,
Why should she fear angered Muslims over a cartoon on a T Shirt?
Posted by: Elric66 at March 26, 2007 04:09 PM
Abdullah
Short version - tu quoque - tired stuff. Boring. No soap.
Main point, long version -
It is by now pretty much a tradition on our side of the world to hold huge mass demonstrations whenever we think our gov'ts may be in error.
It is an absolute certainty that there will be huge demonstations, indeed violent riots, when mohammedans get the notion that foreigners have acted disrespectfully toward mohammedan pieties.
It is also an absolute certainty that there is never even a tiny demonstration by mohammedans in response to the most disgusting and morally repugnant crimes carried out in the name of your allah and your "islam".
The fact is that from a real political standpoint you allegedly peaceful types don't count! You don't matter. You're not in the game. Nobody sees you. Nobody hears you. You scare nobody. You don't dare face down the jihaddis. And you do nothing but blow smoke.
There is absolutely no evidence that you are the least bit actively opposed to the bloodshed and rampant tribalism of your jihaddis.
We deal with ours. You sit back and watch yours on TV. Hell, you let them tell you how to live! The only place you are safe is in our countries where your rights are protected by our cops and our laws.
The fact is that we've seen your kind before, and we have you memorized.
We saw you in Nazi Germany -- silent and compliant in the face of the murderers. We saw you in Bolshovik Soviet Russia -- silent and compliant in the face of the murderers. We saw you in Maoist China -- silent and compliant in the face of the murderers. And the list goes on.
We have marches for civil rights. We have marches for women's rights. We have marches to defend the rights of our downtrodden. We even have marches against our own wars, as often as not when those wars are completely sensible, but so many of our people hate war that we sympathise with their aversion and make excuses for them.
You march for nothing.
And history will be your judge.
Provoslavni,
Thank-you for making my early morning. I see that we have a certain visiter who wants to debate a number of the posters. Mr. Adullah will not be able to fool anyone. Take care. :-)
This man beleives his own propoganda, laugh at him, pick him up on his obvious stupidities and leave it at that.
Sometimes one can have an affect on Muslims, but this one is a lost cause, lets hope his suicide belt goes off early when he decides to run to his moon god and he only kills himself, one thing is for certain, the world will be a slightly better place once he does.
"Muslims seek a better life in the west"
....Are the Muslims unable to provide a happy life in their own countries?....Muslims certainly kill a lot of Muslims...some for not being Muslim enough...some for being the wrong type of Muslim...some because the Muslims appears to be considering Islam to be bad...some because the Muslim converted to another religion...some for making a joke, daring to enjoy life a little...some for daring to hold hands with a girlfriend in public...some for playing soccer....some for watching soccer on TV...some for listening to music....some for trimming their beard...some for not wearing the burka or veil...some for picking up the garbage...some for selling ice cream...some for daring to earn money by working for the Non Muslims....some for talking to non Muslims....the list of reasons for Muslims killing Muslims goes on and on....Islam is a thrill kill machine....
Addullah wrote:
-I want to share with you guys a little piece of conclussion I have come to. The non-muslims who are foul-mouthed and hate Islam are cowards when compared to their non-muslim brethen who seek to understand and tolerate Islam....-
I got news for you, I tried to understand and tolerate Islam. The problem is that now that I understand Islam, I know it doesn't tolerate me.
Abdulla,
I have read your so called book and understand Islam infinately more than you understand Christianity. Do you know why you Muslims don't understand Christianity? It's because Islam is a cult that discourages objective question and demands blind submission. If Islam is such a great and loving religion, why are non-muslims so terrified and live in fear in countries dominated by this facsist ideology?
As a woman and a mother I would die before I would ever follow the sayings of a pedophile or anyone who considered one a prophet.
Honestly, if Islam is so great, why is it forbidden to own a Bible in Saudi Arabia? Is it because the ruling Muslim classes are so insecure IN THEIR OWN doctrine that they have to prevent and punish anyone from questions or truth? I suspect that your knowledge of Christianity is based on the crap that is spoonfed to you by your local Mullah. I think you are afraid to read the Bible because you sincerely beleive you might be swayed by it and loose your family and your life.
Just some things to ponder Abdulla. I believe Islam is the rabies of Humanity and I applaud that woman for wearing that shirt. All non-muslims should be wearing that shirt, like the Danes who wore the star of David during the Nazi occupation. Someone tell me where I can get one of these shirts, please!
All of western society is affected by terrorism, so how do I join this association!
"If the west stops interfering in Muslim affairs, I tell you, there wont be a single Muslim left in the west. Muslims seek a better life in the west (however - uninviting it is) and the west needs Muslim expertise (given most of you have become crack-heads)"
right, we need experts in robbery, rapes, ass cleaning with stones...
Is there a muslim with IQ higher than 70?
you're a living proof that inbreding doesn't do good.
...What does she get out of doing that except anger Muslims?
I agree, Abdullah.
Moslems are always angry about everything all the time, so why bother with the cartoon tee shirt.
Angry Moslems are a dime-a-dozen. Deeply offended Moslems are like bad pennies, they're everywhere and you can't get rid of them.
Now, your humiliated Moslem or, worse yet, your deeply humiliated Moslem, now these are dangerous critters to keep a watch out for. They'll stab you, shoot you, bomb you, denounce you, pronounce you, even sue you. Now these humiliatees are some righteous Moslems, more aggreived and pious than the rest.
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I have a question for abdullah. If you believe that allah is truly god then why is he not powerful enough to take vengeance against the "unbelievers"? Why does he need muslims to destroy his own creation, surely he could do it himself? What sort of all powerful god needs one part of his creation to destroy another part of his creation?
Another point, although I suspect that I will recieve no answer, is this :-
The koran is claimed by muslims to be the word of God through his prohpet mohammed, yes? Why then does the koran contain contradictions? Surely god cannot make a mistake. Does this not point to the fact that mohammed was in fact using an invented religion as a way of manipulating people to his own ends? I just don't understand why muslims insist on portraying god as being so weak (even though he created a whole universe) that he requires a self proclaimed prophet to tell the world how to live with a book that clearly changes it's direction to suit the self same "prohpet". Let alone a book that is so full of hatred and violence as leave one amazed that anyone of sound mind would believe it to be truly the word of god.
It's time to read the koran with an unbiased view rather than an indoctrinated one.
Why don't we just all ignore Abdullah? Whatever we say won't make any difference. I am sick and tired of hearing posters yak, yak, yaking. Talk is cheap. We need to DO not SAY.
How many of you have databases of like minded people? Get them to flood the politicians emails.
Picket the upcoming Australian Islamic Conference in Melbourne. Have information nights on Islam. Come on, where are the Generals? get organized.
"Why then does the koran contain contradictions? Surely god cannot make a mistake. Does this not point to the fact that mohammed was in fact using an invented religion as a way of manipulating people to his own ends? "
Posted above
Davemate,
As Benedict said in Regensburg, per Ibn Hazm, Muhammad's creation, Allah, is not bound by the same "rules" we understand apply to the Judao-Christian God.
Whereas we understand God IS good, and therefore we are comfortable applying this in reverse (that God not only does good, but that what he has done and will do is by definition good, what is good comes from God, etc), Allah is not constrained to be good or to do good. Allah, constructed as he was to satisfy Muhammad's incidental needs (as opposed to defining consistent moral truth), neither defines good nor can he have his work characterized as being by definition "good" because he is capricious, doing both good and evil. The fact that we can discern this, and discern it as being impurity, places us morally above Allah, and therefore in no need of worshipping this fictitious creation.
This moral conscience further informs us that there is an external source of internal truth:
Romans 2:14-15
Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.
And that's not "Allah".
Abdullah:
"Our God and Your God is One"
Hardly. See above. Psbbhhht!
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The woman is definitely my choice for Anti-Dhimmi of the year.