Fitzgerald: Attending Open House at the mosque

re: Shamim Siddiqi -- author of a fascinating Manual on How To Conduct Dawah

I located his Dawah manual here. Very interesting reading in places. Particularly places like how he prescribes how the Daw'ee (spreader of Dawah) should engage in self development:

5. Physical fitness through:
* Developing the habit of regular exercise to keep the Da'ee fit to enable him to act energetically and with active response to the call of Dawah at any time - during the day or at night;
* Learning swimming, horseback riding, boating, sharp shooting, hunting, hiking through forests, desserts and hilly places, fatigue exercises etc.;
* Learning martial arts for self-defense and First Aid programs etc.;
* Camping and learning how to cope with outdoor life.

Written by a true poet, more masterful than the illiterate Muhammed the pedophile warlord could ever be!

How do we get the Bushes, the Pelosi's, the Rosi's and the Muhammedans to open their hearts and minds to read it?

SO what is the answer if not to fight them and kill them on their own turf?

icelation has never worked?

Would you have the world be like Chamberlin peace in our time?

Would you have us do a dresden on the whole mulsum world or would it be better to try to have those who belive in this become peaceful?

what is your answer knowing they will fight each other but never for very long until they join together to fight us?

You are right, but we have been attacked the time to fight is now you say we should have no pity.

But to have pity is part of the western mind people don't see the threat until it effects them derictly this is human nature.

Not an easy thing to change expecaly when we have some leaders ie dimmicrats who wont even admit there is even a threat while they know there is. for them it is all about power.

so what is your answer in the real world as things really?

Catherine,

in spite of your absurd retort to my post yesterday, I suffer from the malaise of western pity in my mind and feel obligated to continue to try and help.

Your questions to Hugh are a bit OT in this thread, but nevertheless, he has written about it numerous times.

Here's a start:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/015940.php

Qur’an 9:17 “The disbelievers have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness against their own souls to infidelity. These it is whose doings are in vain, and in the fire shall they abide. Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up devotional obligations, pays the zakat, and fears none but Allah.”

9.17. It is not for the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh), to maintain the Mosques of Allâh (i.e. to pray and worship Allâh therein, to look after their cleanliness and their building, etc.), while they witness against their ownselves of disbelief. The works of such are in vain and in Fire shall they abide.

finally, despite the Bush Administration's colossal innocence and foolishness in Iraq, attempting to bring Democracy and toys and good things to eat to the Muslim children on the other side of the mountain (I think I can, I think I can), the children whose parents are Bush's "ordinary moms and dads" whom, we are told, want just what we want.

Oh no they don't.

from post above

awake
this is my Q? to Hugh and yes I see pity as a part of the western's problem because our enemy has none.

Hugh and I agree on many things he puts into words very well what needs to be said to those in acideaima but me I'm simple I like short skirts sandles bikinis when I sunbath on the beach I see My country was attacked by mulsum terrorist didn't know what that was did some homework and found out it goes much deeper.

And my way of life sandles with bows in the summer short skirts dancing art music are all threatened.

me if you go hunting and there are many animials to track do you just give up or follow traks and kill that one then go after the next one?

You see it is not me who has pity in my heart anymore I have see to much it is the rest of you as you say is your fault.

Yes Human nature surival is and always comes before pity.

I see it as wrong to fight those who fight. For a house divided will always fall to a stronger.

the honey pot does draw others matter of fact the UN=LON=AL complained to the Iraqis just yesterday about the #s of islamic terrorist dead????

awake
maybe you think I'm new here? You would be wrong.

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM OPEN THE WORLDS EYES TO THEIR THREAT AMEN

PS
Me I think Joel Richardson - Book
is right

"anti Christ Islam's awaited Messiah"

Do not need to go to these open moques nights, got wonderful sites such as JW/DW to get the latest info.

How about we just bring it more Indian, Bengal and Paki Hindus and Cristians from Sudan/Nigeria and Moluccan Catholics from Indonesia and Copts/Assyrians for our education on Islam. And just so we can feel rest assured that hardline Islamic Arabists, bitching 24/7 about Americna and Israeli *racist* injustices, are sincere and not blowing smoke ou their a**es about demanding raicla equality, get some Black Muslims from Sudan, CHad and Niger, Amazigh secularists and closet Christians from North Africa, Iranian and maybe some Iraqi Kurds, some Balochis/Sindhis/Kashmiris(Northern Areas) from PAkiland and to cap it off, some Fillipino and Indonesian and Black workers from the Arabian penninsula. That way, Westerners can feel rest assured that Fundamental Islam is all about racial and cultural harmony, that it's all our fault we can get along with hardline Islamics.

bigcatgirl,

Yes, I know there is no point in learning Islam at Da'wah events and open houses at you local mosque. Everything I learnt about Islam came from this site, Faith Freedom and another web site called Islam Watch. But check this video out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJweJ02Ar0c

If we go to Da'wah events, then at least we can enlighten the other infidels about the true nature of Islam.

Catherine,

No one is questioning your patriotism or your disdain for islamic terrorism. I couldn't care less about how long you have been here. You also questioned whether I was a Muslim yesterday, but let's not get into that.

You obviously disagree with Hugh's position on the current "boots on the ground", temporary occupation on Iraq, yet do not offer one iota of evidence to point out where High's assessment might not be 100% correct. Hugh has elaborated, and I for one wish you would do the same to support your argument.

I am still trying to figure out what your Q?(question) to Hugh was.

You also questioned whether I was a Muslim yesterday, but let's not get into that.

Posted by: awake at April 26, 2007 10:55 AM

WHY NOT

Catherine

The only way to perserve Western society is to ban Islam in the West. Mo set up Islam so that its incompatible with non Muslim culture and values. There is no middle ground in Islam and the West isnt obligated to allow Islam within its borders.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/016185.php#comments
Posted by: Catherine at April 26, 2007 10:07 AM

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/016190.php
Posted by: Catherine at April 26, 2007 10:55 AM

IN RESPONCE TO allat

Philippines fighting mulsims in the early 1900s
http://www.mubai.cc/articles/art19.htm
These various fighting blades were used by Juramentados (Filipino Muslims who took religious vows to kill as many Spanish-Christian soldiers as possible) during the "Moro Wars," which lasted through more than 300 years of Spanish domination and carried over into the American occupation of the Philippines, beginning in the early 1900s.
At first, American firepower was insufficient to stop the flashing, slashing blades of the feared Juramentado frenzy, even at point-blank range! As a result, the U.S. Army was forced to reissue its mothballed single-action Colt 45 (long Colt) revolvers, in place of the .38 caliber revolvers used by the American forces in the Philippines. This led to the eventual design of the Colt 45 ACO (automatic Colt pistol) in the Philippines and elsewhere.

READ THE WHOLE THING??

http://www.manilamail.com/archive/mar2005/05mar06.htm
PERSHING TALE: My Pinoy55 brod Jorge B. Navarra sent a clipping on US General John J. “Black Jack” Pershing and his handling of Muslim terrorists during his assignment in Mindanao in the early 1900s.
“Forwarding with no comments -- not endorsing the idea at all,” Jorge said.
Since I cannot find historical proof that the incident actually happened, my hunch is that this could be another urban legend. Nevertheless, I am reprinting it, also without comments or any implied endorsement, as a footnote:
“Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 terrorists and had them tied to posts for execution. He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter them in front of the now horrified terrorists.
“Pointing a gun into the face of Islamic terrorists won't make them flinch. They welcome the chance to die for Allah.

BETTER READ THE WHOLE THING

You see allat you miss the American Phyci here is a more resent story an older couple in their 70s were walking [something you should understand] in a park well a moutian lion attacked the old man the wife did not run away but did all she could to help free her husband he was saved! This is not the end of the story others went out and hunted down this lion and mate and killed them both and all the Press was so happy and the People were all so happy for the Older couple called them Heros.

nothing more about the dead lions because they won't hurt anyone any more and so other couples now walk in the park and the smart ones carry a stick if not a gun.

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
Does anyone know how many died building the hover damn?

Catherine's approach to fighting bush's "war on terror" is reminiscent of the Allies' strategy at the Battle of the Somme: let's just throw wave after wave of men against the enemy. That was a disaster & iraq is a disaster. what are we getting in iraq in exchange for all the money we've spent there, material we've expended there, & the soldiers lost there? Oh yes, we're engaging the enemy. Just as the English & French engaged the German defenses at the Somme. I can tell you what our enemy is getting in iraq. an invaluable training ground for developing conventional weapons that will terrorize Western cities in the coming years. No, Catherine, it's not enough to engage the enemy; one must do it smartly, & we haven't been since taking out saddam. Perhaps you missed that little news item last week about West Point grads leaving the service in record numbers. They're obviously not leaving b/c they don't want to fight. And they're not leaving b/c the majority of Americans no longer support the iraq war. My guess is that they want no part of bush's folly & can't see giving their lives to their country when the commander-in-chief doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

OH MY GOD! Fitzgerald, Spencer - DON"T GO!

YOu may come back wearing a long robe and a long bushy beard, spouting the koran.

We're learning too much - and the oft funny comments a plus.

We don't want this website to close.

I notice a trend here in these sites.

People are picking and nitpicking on others - WHO OBVIOUSLY have sympathies with the West.
Why do these people have to defend themselves?
Or show proof that they are indeed for the Western culture?

If we are divided amongst ourselves, we will certainly be conquered easily.

Let's band together - are we Shiites/Sunnis or are we Westerners?

Catherine here, feels she has to be suuper aggressive to proof her loyalty.

We, understand, Catherine. So, why don't you cool it - cool your chili peppers fand go have some nice ice cold Corona.

Catherine,

OK, I'll bite. I said there is no reason to re-hash your unfounded statement as to whether I was a Muslim because, quite simply, I am not, and simply by not endorsing the current wasteful path in Iraq, does not make one so.

You seem to believe that if enough American blood is spilled in Iraq, the 'mission' of defeating Islamic terrorism and all it's supporters, will somehow be accomplished. I hardly think anyone here is crying a river for the relatively small amount of US caualties in this war to date, just how the military is being unnecessarily over-taxed, especially since this 'mission' will not end with the flag of freedom being planted in Iraq at the end of the day, no matter how hard you want it to be.

You also ignore the many other fronts in this war. The economic ideological war being waged by Saudi Arabia, with exportation of Islamic ideology into the US, as well as the attempted infiltration of Islamists trying to undermine our legal and law enforcement systems. Any mention of the demographic jihad which has been on-going in Europe for quite some time now, is also conspicuously absent.

Is Saudi Arabia any less of an enemy to the West, just because the don't directly arm and line up against US forces? And just for the record, what is the number of Islamists we need to kill in Iraq that you believe will compel the rest to just pack it up and run home with their tails between their legs?

Hugh is correct about the deception involved in these outreach activites; however, I would still recommend going to check out your local mosque first hand if they have an open house. An active jihadwatch reader confronting the hosts at the open house and seeing first hand even the disguised Islam in their neighborhood can be a good experience.

I attended such a function. It was a very upscale "Muslim Unity Center" in a prosperous neighborhood whose members were largely professionals such as physicians and engineers.

I tried several times to get an answer to the question of whether or not they had Saudi funding without success. I then located a 3rd grade text book, in a display of their school textbooks which stated that the Jews deserve to be despised by all the world for their disobediance to God after the exodus from Egypt. This is a what they are displaying at an open house!

It became more clear than ever to me that even though this was not a group of raving jihaddis, this was an entry point along the continuum of Islam. I could see that some of the more dedicated members would be steered toward more intense and radical activities. The Center's web site had links to more radical groups and institutions. They fostered a sense of Muslim solidarity without any recognizable criticism of Islamism.

This visit also helped me realize that we may have even more to fear from moderate Islamism than from radical Islamism. The moderate and peaceful Islamists can be a Trojan horse that will be accepted by the West and later, when their numbers grow it is clear to me that they will not fight the violent ones.

Check it out for youself. It will put a real face on the enemy. I don't think readers of this site will be fooled. Maybe you can politely give them a hard time and even embarrass them in front of other visitors, but please don't embarrass yourself or the anti-Islamist cause.

Catherine, Catherine:

As to your above lion story for me.

Do you understand strategy? Do you understand the saying "I will retreat to live to fight another day?"

Have you read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu? It's in the Internet.

In case anybody here doesn't know, in case Fitzgerald and Spencer with their "stay in Iraq" phychology, don't know, the news is coming out of the war zone, that the soldiers in the military are coming down with a disease from the use of DU (depleted uranium). This radiation posioning is breakding down the DNA structure of the soldiers. Young men and women - the Generation that will engender the next children. And these young people are bringing forth deformed children.

The U.S.military is denying it - but there are more land more children being born deformed.

I don't want that.

But even if it wer not true. Here's what's happening:

So, far, the U.S. military is denying this, and hiding this, there have been so many of our kid soldiers killed - that they're bring them in in coffins, quietly, at night.

There are so many wounded, kept in hospitals in Germany. And also, you all know the happenings in the hospital in D.C. The disgrace, the filth, the lack of the basic necessities there, and above all, THE LACK OF RESPECT towards our kid soldiers!

Halliburton - of which the slime cheney is a member - is in charge of the military contracts for taking supplies to the War Zones.

The companies that supply material are NOT being paid - and have cut down the very necessary vital supplies. The meals - MRE's - with have been cut down to 2 a day. MRE's dont' even give the basic nutrients for a working soldier.

Never mind about water. Never mind about medical supplies.

Never mind about body armor and vehicle armor. There is NONE to be found. The foot soldiers are scrounging around garbage piles looking for any kind of metal to put on the floorboards of their jeeps.

If from a distance you hear about battles here, and how hard it is there, imagine how much worse it is for our kids there?

One thing is previous wars - where from what I've heard, the entire U.S> population and the rest of the West, pulled for our G.I.'s - worked for them.

But today, they are ignored. The Americans here, have forgotten them. Instead of treating them like royalty, and giving them all their lnecessities on a silver platter, they are left on their own.

What kind of people are we? We are talking on our cell phones. Watching sports on tv. Renting movies.

If we can't offer our services to our soldiers - and give to them our all - what are we having them there for?

These soldiers are on their own.

Not even the Pentagon, Congress, or the slime bush, cheney and the Cabinet cares about them.
All our leaders know how the situation is, and they've leaving them there to die, alone - with no loved one there. And the further disgrace is that the Generals are directing the war from afar - from a safe distance.

Is that the way American Generals should behave?

These soldiers are in HELL! There is NO hell anywhere else. NOT in the next life. HELL is there in a war zone!

For those that want the war to continue, I do encourage them to go, to live like our kids are living right now, with the horrors of it. Go, Fitzgerald, Go Spencer, life there JUST like them for a little while.

I don't want that. I love our kids.

The American public is being "protected" from it. Deliberately. But the day, they come back, you will start seeing men in the streets, with no hands, no legs, no arms - an eye missing. Terrible scars. Bitterness in the eye, instead of the light of youth. And holding a beautiful child, but with some kind of deformity.

Excuse me, but I feel that if we Americans are going to conduct a war, then ALL of us, should be involved - not just a few.

So, with this half-heartenedness, like the present situation is. yes, we have lost the war.

allat said

Do you understand the saying "I will retreat to live to fight another day?"

Personally, I wouldn't go that far, to characterize it that we are "retreating" in order to save our troops. Nor are we suffereing a Reid "defeat". Nor are we "cutting and running." Our troops could, in short order, completely anilhilate every jihadist and jihadist supporter in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we chose to do so. The problem is not that our troops are unable to defeat the enemy. The problem is twofold:

1) We do not have a clear idea of who the enemy is. The very people we are trying to help are the ones who are committing the attacks against us. By narrowing the definition of our enemy to be only card-carrying members of Al Qaeda, we are welcoming the larger enemy into the Green Zone, into the cafeteria tents, and even bringing them along on missions.

2) We currently define our goal as "helping" the Iraqis, not as defeating the jihad. We are waging peace against an enemy who is waging war. That will not be effective, no matter how long we stay there.

The jihad is much larger than Iraq. We need to identify who our enemy is (even though today we tell ourselves they are our "staunch allies"). We need to confront the entire jihad, not just obsess on the little pinkie toe of jihad that's going on in Iraq. To just continue blindly flailing at a growing list of countries (like Iran) doesn't help, unless we FIRST identify our goals. It is not enough to be fighting, we have to be fighting in the right places in the right ways. And a "hot" war is not the right tool for all situations. There are many other more effective methods to be used. See any of Hugh's postings for the ubiquitous list.

Papa Bear said

Maybe you can politely give them a hard time and even embarrass them in front of other visitors, but please don't embarrass yourself or the anti-Islamist cause.

For those who have attended the open house, how far do you go? I couldn't sit silently listening to the taqiyyah, but I wouldn't want it to degrade to a shouting match either. If you politely correct their distortions, what is their reaction? Did you try to hand out sheets with quotes and web links to the attendees, and what was the reaction of the hosts? How do you respond to the personal attacks and the sweeping dismissal because you're not a Muslim/you don't speak Arabic/you don't have a Phd in Islamic Studies? I guess Robert's debates set the standard, but I doubt I could have anywhere near his patience.

Posted by: special_guest at April 26, 2007 01:36 PM

Well put special_guest.

Allat wrote:
"In case anybody here doesn't know, in case Fitzgerald and Spencer with their "stay in Iraq" phychology, don't know,"

Allat, have you lost your mind? How do you attempt to justify calling Robert's and especially Hugh's psychology as "stay in Iraq".

Please tell me that you misspoke, for the alternatiwve is too frightening to bear. If it is the latter, I would ask for your home address to verify that there is indeed a giant legume under your bed.

Your frustration, shared by many including myself, with the way the war has and is being conducted in Iraq is noted and warranted. that does not however, give you permission completely invert reality.

KAOSKTRL thank you for this post.

Qur’an 9:17 “The disbelievers have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness against their own souls to infidelity. These it is whose doings are in vain, and in the fire shall they abide. Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up devotional obligations, pays the zakat, and fears none but Allah.”

Finally!

I have asked this question a few times in JW to no avail.

It is as I expected. I would also expect that there are few, if any other religions prohibit non-members into their place of worship even for the single purpose of observation, based on that religion's stated doctrine. I may wrong, and if so please correct me.

I for one cannot imagine any religion denying outsiders the right to observe at a time of worship. In fact I expect quite the opposite; that most if not all other Religions go out of their way to invite observers. Am I wrong?

The fact that Islam prohibits non-muslims from observing services is revealing for me. It can be more so for the average John and Joan Q. Public, whom we know needs to have certain Islamic peculiarities pointed out to dispel common myths (RoP myth e.g.).

MOSQUE: INFIDELS NOT PERMITTED
CULT MEMBERS ONLY!

Sugarcoating islam is like sugarcoating a cyanide pill.

Off topic from Amsterdam:

School Scraps Nature Course As Pigs Enrage Muslim Pupils

Ummah News Links

special_guest

Good question, man. I look forward to the day when I have free time to attend a Da'wah event. Right now I'm under the gun. Finals are less than two weeks away. After that I head to Colorado Springs for the summer. Not very many Muslims, and therefore any Da'wah events there. And frankly, if there are any Da'wah events in Colorado Springs, I don't want to challenge them because of my mom's and my brother's safety and privacy. I may go back to Oakland after summer break but they are there permanently. I'll have to wait until I come back and check out any open houses at the local mosques.

I will definitely print out flyers and will try to sneak in a camera or audio recording device if and when I get the chance to challenge these bastards. There are lots of digital recorders out there, and if you have an iPod, you can plug in a device and boom it acts like a recorder. I would also recommend to anyone who wants to challenge the Da'waees to use a pseudonym.

Is the free meal worth the indigestion?

I find the Koran unpalatable.

And anyone who swallows it, unspeakable.

(In the Oscar Wilde sense, of course.)

allat
it aint Bushes war it is a war that was declaired on freedom.

Look just down a few storys women showing a little hair will be beaten what do you think they do to people who have art or dance???

You are so potical you don't see the forest for the trees well news there buddy trees are a part of the forest!

Just found a story you might want to read
http://www.city-journal.org/html/11_4_what_made_them.html
What Made Them Do Their Duty?
Victor Davis Hanson

The rescuers' simple patriotism offers another favorable contrast with some of their elite observers. We do not hear from New York's heroic firemen and police any sophisticated nonsense that we brought the two towers crashing down upon ourselves because of our arrogance or imperial political ambitions. They do not tell us that we must change our sinful ways and abandon our friends. I don't think most of them give a damn what a Frenchman or a Palestinian says about our ordeal. Most seem to accept that a magnificent city such as theirs, in a nation as free and humane as their own, naturally invites the envy of lesser people and thus must be defended from those who hate what we are rather than anything we have done. Seeing the rescuers display their patriotism at Ground Zero, where they have carefully displayed American flags and patriotic slogans, swells one's own national pride.
These selfless, patriotic men and women project a physical presence that harks back to an earlier age—one largely unseen on the national scene for the last half-century. Muscular, tireless despite constant movement, a quiet confidence in corporeal strength—it is as if they stepped out of depression-era post-office murals or faded watercolors in long-defunct magazines.
Their robust physicality seems less the product of the health club or plastic surgeon's office than of hard and dirty work. The younger workers look like—no, look better than—athletes, their biceps built not for play but for carrying hoses and scaling ladders. Their ongoing labor seems to magnify their physical presence; in comparison, the ripples and contours of professional athletes now look oddly artificial. Some working in the rubble—overweight, smoking, sweating profusely—hardly look fit, of course. But using ample bellies as wedges and levers against the stones and steel, they remind America that you can be tough as nails and still be deemed out of shape.

READ THE WHOLE THING!!

But sissys like you will have to use more then one square for all your crying!

The islamic terrorist are not just attacking Bush they attack Freedom and have been for century's if you don't get it is time to stand up and kick their ass instead of hiding[which will just get your butt shot off]just shows you have no clue!!

What did you want to do when the mulsums attacked our embassys or the coal or in 1993 when saddam[YELLOW COWAD FOUND IN A HOLE DON'T SHOOT]sent his goons to blow up the WTC were you hidding in a hole didn't hear nothing??

What about Somial when Clinton said we won what was it we won we left those people to the likes of islamic terrorist is this what you want ? did it stop islamic terrorist from coming to the USA

Well the eagal is flying buddy we are in this fight.

Democrats today they passed a bill that ia Bi Partizan about pulling out and hidding like teddy did in chapitic but the numbers don't lie??

218 to 205 don't look like no land slide to me??

Yep a dead lion can't hurt anybody any more!

Remember they said the hoover damn couldn't be built either but it was!

They said we couldn't beat the Germans in WW2 But we did.
And we didn't do that by hidindg in a hole..

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER AMEN

Wiskey for my beer for my horses

PS
Remember people like Strength and Beauty always!

Posted by: allat at April 26, 2007 01:08 PM

well sh-t I was just in Germany a couple of weeks ago didn't see what you are talken about but of course you would not see things first hand walking in all

As fo halabirton Like the Icecream

Somewhat OT but still important-

Something else you can do is download videos off of YouTube and keep them on your computer. You can convert video files from YouTube to files that can be played on programs such as QuickTime and ITunes. I'm sure it will also work for Windows Media too, for those who don't have Macs. Otherwise download ITunes for Windows. Anyway here is the software for Windows:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/win/107600

And the software for Mac:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/32278

With this, you can store stuff from YouTube such as the Undercover Mosque series that ran earlier this year, the movie Obsession (type in StarTFG. The movie comes in 12 parts) and a whole host of other educational videos, including the one I posted above.

Hey those verses from the Qur'an which you quoted pertain to the holy mosque in mecca not other mosques....The prophet (pbuh) used to have kuffar come to see him in his mosque at medinah...

I personally think there should be more Muslim-christian dialogues than Muslims-Jewish dialogues nevertheless I still welcome both.

PLEASE OPEN YOUR HEART TO ISLAM, DONT DEPRIEVE YOURSELF OF THE SOUL'S NOURISHMENT

LOOL Dose of evening taqiya, you know I love the infidel's sense of humour, see there I dont hate everything about the unbeliever in Islam. I know you will accuse me of taqiya now.

For Allah's sake, Taqiya is not part of the Islamic faith. It is a shia thing. Please get it in your heads. True the prophet Mohammad did say war is all about deception. But note the word war, only during times of war is deception allowed otherswise its HARAM.

WE WILL NEVER GET ANYWHERE WITH UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER'S FAITHS IF YOU KEEP LAMBUSTING EVERY EXTENSION OF GOOD WILL AS TAQIYA

And by the way Tawheed simply means worshipping One God in all acts of worship.

"..the soul's nourishment":

"Strike off their heads..." -Allah/Mohammad.
"Do not take unbelievers [Christians/Jews/etc.] as friends..."- Allah/Mohammad.
"Terrorize them..." - Allah/Mohammad.

Yummy.

Why dont you ever look at the verses full of mercy and kindness to 'one another'???? Huh Does it disturb your 'made-up' mind to discover Islam is the religion of peace?

One thing that bewilders me is why Jews, the first of the people of the book, 24 prophets raised among them hate ISLAM ferociously????

The Jews should have been the first to come out in support of Islam and ignore their jelousies of the arabs, Allah is free of want and can choose whoever He pleases to deliver

My fellow Jewish people, open your hearts and take a read at whaT Allah is saying to you here

Surat Baqarah 40 to 50

40. O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me.

41. And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

42. And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).

43. And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship).

44. Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?

45. Nay, seek ((Allah)'s) help with patient perseverance and prayer: It is indeed hard, except to those who bring a lowly spirit,-

46. Who bear in mind the certainty that they are to meet their Lord, and that they are to return to Him.

47. Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message).

48. Then guard yourselves against a day when one soul shall not avail another nor shall intercession be accepted for her, nor shall compensation be taken from her, nor shall anyone be helped (from outside).

49. And remember, We delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: They set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your women-folk live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.

50. And remember We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight.

What are our war goals? I would hope that the primary one is to defend the United States and U.S. territory. A secondary goal should be to help defend Australia, Canada, New Zealand and Europe.Resources are finite, and in some cases we only have one chance to get things right. Some things are also impossible, or at best extremely unlikely. Establishing western democracy in the ummah might be one of these things. If we choose to define victory by having Iraq transformed into a nation like Belgium, we will never achieve it. If we define victory by pursuing and eradicating our enemies whereever we find them, then we shall eventually win. Return trips to some locations will probably be necessary. Should we be concerned if Baghdad has electricity and sewerage? Would you give your life to provide it - your kids' lives?

Abdullah wrote:
50. "And remember We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight."

Typical Islamic nonsense from Abdullah. Calling on the Jews to recognize the gift that Allah gave them, in spite of the fact that that historical event preceded Allah by countless centuries. It is understandable, Allah who is the Creator, establishing imperfect prophets until he 'got it right' with Muhammad. There is always a degree of belief in the unprovability in one's faith, but Islam jumps head-first into absolute blind faith.

The only thing sillier than the Islamist forcing Allah, through revisionist history, into situations that preceded his existence, is those very same Islamists who deny Allah's connection to the very words evoked and actions committed each passing day in his name, words that are in plain sight in the Qur'an, the supposed immutable direct words of Allah, that so many Muslims and non-Muslims alike, appear to be misinterpreting.

When one thinks of Abdullah and his self-imposed bonds of mental slavery, or as he would say, imposed by Allah, for there is none to FEAR but Allah, the word pity does come to mind.

Allat, please tell me that you misspoke?"

Hey, hey, hey, what's with you people? I am not a Pod Person, stop calling me a legume.

Did you read the rest of my post?

I'm not frustrated. Just heartbroken that our kid soldiers just have to suffer this way. The guys in previous wars, those wars were "clean" - compared to this one. The utter corruption, the indifference, the utter evil of the controllers, the Powers That Be, is unbelieable!

I feel that some unhuman Force just wants to destroy us.

Special Guest: I know all that!

You know what - I'm outta here.

I don't need this crap from any of you. The day islam gets around to this country - I'm struggle agains it alone or find another group.

I don't see the necessity of fighting and continually defending where I'm at.

I'm find my own group of Amazons.

Allat, did you or did you not profess Robert and Hugh's position as one of 'stay in Iraq'?

If you did, you misspoke or are incorrect. That's all.

And yes, I read you entire post, as I usually do. That is why that statement about Robert and Hugh was so alarming to me and completely out of character for you, in my estimation.

And yes, you are frustrated at the moment.

allat said

I know all that!

Sigh. My post quoted a line from you, but the post was not a critique of you. I know that you know this stuff, I can read your posts. I agree with you on the big point about the benefit of withdrawing from Iraq. I disagreed with you about the little point of saying the reason is because our troops can't handle it. I think the country is coming to a concensus that we should be out of Iraq; I don't think there is a clear concensus or understanding in the population about why we should be out of Iraq. Answering that question accurately has the potential for being the first step in defining who/what the real enemy is. Answering that question accurately will be very difficult to state openly in the current environment, and so it is imperative that neither political party tries to use the issue for partisan advantage.

Please don't misunderstand me, I don't need a tribe of Amazons hunting me down.

Wallah, by Allah, the Jews are truely a cursed nation!

Open House at the Mosque...There's one of those in our neighbourhood soon.

A group of us from our church will probably go. We will pray and partake of the Eucharist first, because this is a SPIRITUAL stronghold that we are entering. We will 'show the cross' - thus breaking the dhimmi rules. And we will keep our mouths closed (very hard for someone combative and argumentative like me!) and our ears and eyes wide open.

I intend to try to find out 1. how long the mosque has been there 2. how big it is, and how many adherents are associated with it, and which countries they are from/ linked to (e.g. Pakistan? S. Arabia? 'Palestine'? Lebanon? Turkey? Fiji (Indian Muslim)? 3. the origin/s and qualifications of the current imam.

And we will network with the other non-Muslim visitors and find out whether and how much they know about jihad and sharia, and that these things were not recently invented by a lunatic fringe element, but have been part of Islam since the beginning and still are part of Islam. We will quietly mention to the other Non-Muslims the unpleasant fact that the injunctions to Kill the Apostate and to Kill the Blasphemer (= anyone, Muslim or non-Muslim, who dares to suggest that Islam is not 100 % Perfect) are part of sharia RIGHT NOW and are being carried out RIGHT NOW all over the world.

Does that worry you, Muslim lurker reading this ? Not all of us walking through the door of your mosque on 'open day' are naive idiots ripe for 'Reversion'. Some of us are just doing spiritual recce, sussing out the neighbours. And the Lion of Judah is walking among us, unseen.

Now, do not fear, O Muslim lurker. Since I am a Christian I recognise in you (as in all my fellow humans) the image and likeness of God (the Living God, God-the-Father), however much you (like all humans) may deface that image by violence, cruelty and falsehood. I do not hate YOU. In my country you are in no danger of lynching; rather, I pray for you. But I reject, absolutely and forever, the teachings that prescribe jihad, sharia, and dhimmitude. Those teachings call Evil 'Good' and Good, 'Evil'; they call Slavery 'Peace' and Oppression 'Justice'. I reject them.

"They said we couldn't beat the Germans in WW2 But we did.
And we didn't do that by hidindg in a hole.."

Posted by: Catherine [TypeKey Profile Page] at April 26, 2007 03:12 PM

We also didn't beat the Germans (and Japanese and Italians) in WW2 by fighting a PC war where we have to ask permission before we enter a mosque or wait 30 minutes before we enter a complex where Muslimas have to be vacated lest American men see them or where we have to abstain from using bomb-sniffing dogs because of Islamic canine phobias, or where we have to presume that the majority of Muslim Iraqis are harmless and worth helping when too many of them (we can never be sure which ones -- even the Iraqi soldiers and police we have been training) will help a suicide bomber actively or passively by turning the other way, or will turn on a dime and rip burning bodies of Infidels apart and dance with joy in the street waving the grilled body parts around.

If we can't fight like George Patton and Curtis LeMay, then we are wasting money and lives.

Allat

What makes you believe that Robert and Hugh are going to these outreach centers and getting Islamized? And on Iraq, Hugh and you seem to be on the same page - if anybody should be po'ed at this site, it should be the 'stay-there-until-the-job-is-done-at-any-cost' crowds.

I found your reasons for withdrawing fascinating - never thought of it that way. Wonder how many Infidel women think the way you do.

dumbledoresarmy

Fijian Indians are 76% Hindu, and only 15% Muslim, if that. Indians are 38% of Fiji's population: that would make Muslims 6% of Fiji's population.

Nowhere in the league of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, 'Palestine', Lebanon or Turkey.

Yes, Muslims are a minority in Fiji - though 6 % (7 % according to the 'fact-book' that I use), judging by precedents elsewhere in the world, is surely enough to pose a potential problem - you may be sure I am keeping an eye on events in Fiji. And Fijian Indian Muslims are a perceptible component of the Muslim population in Australia. After political troubles in Fiji in the 1980s between the indigenous Melanesians and the Indians, a LOT of Fijian Indians migrated to eastern Australian cities. Many of the people in that migration were Muslims. In this city I met a Muslim woman - a consummate con artist, by the way - who had been born in Fiji, but her father was from Saudi Arabia and her mother was from Karachi, and most of her extended family were living in New Zealand, but there were a lot of them in the 'Islamised' suburbs of Brisbane and Sydney, too.