On the bright side, Secretary Rice, the Sunnis and Shi'ites overcame their differences for a moment there. By Eli Lake for the New York Sun:
BAGHDAD — The commander of the foreign operations wing of Iran's Revolutionary Guard met with Sunni Kurdish jihadist leaders in April 2005 to encourage them to launch attacks in Iraq.
News of the meeting was disclosed Tuesday in an interview with Osman Ali Mustapha, a former Kurdish police officer who was recruited by Iranian intelligence in 2004 to spy on American bases and eventually help facilitate the assassination of a Kurdish police chief in Halabja.
The meeting between the Iranian general, Qassem Suleimani, and the leaders of Kurdish Sunni jihadist groups was confirmed by two Kurdish counterterrorism officials and by an American intelligence officer contacted after the interview.
Mr. Mustapha, whose story appeared in The New York Sun on Thursday, said the commander of the Quds Force, General Suleimani, "spoke on behalf of Ali Khamenei," Iran's supreme leader, at a summit in the Iranian city of Kermanshah. Mr. Mustapha continued, "He said, ‘Ali Khamenei told us that any group of Islamists, Tawhid and Jihad, Ansar al Sunna, any group can go across the border to Iraq." (Tawhid and Jihad is the original organization founded by the late Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.)
The account of Mr. Mustapha would settle the question of whether the commander of Iran's Quds Force was acting on his own. Yesterday in Washington, General Petraeus, the commander of multinational forces in Iraq, would not answer questions from journalists as to whether the support from the Quds Force for terrorism in Iraq was the official policy of the regime.
"With respect to how high does it go and, you know, what do they know and when did they know it, I honestly cannot — that is such a sensitive issue," he said.
The general continued, "At least I do not know of anything that specifically identifies how high it goes beyond the level of the Quds Force, Commander Suleimani. Beyond that, it is very difficult to tell — we know where he is in the overall chain of command; he certainly reports to the very top — but again, nothing that would absolutely indicate, again, how high the knowledge of this actually goes."
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He also said that coalition forces had received a 22-page memorandum on a computer that disclosed the details of a terror operation in Karbala that killed five American soldiers in January. He said the memo was an accounting of the operation to Iranian backers.
The Iranian role in Iraq is still hotly debated in Washington. As the New York Sun reported in a series of stories in January, the CIA and State Department have said the Iranian hand is less prevalent in Iraqi terrorism than the military commanders overseeing the war here.
The American Catastrophe: Bush, Cheny & Company!
If you were to ask our Idiot-in-Chief whether Iran's Revolutionary Guards were Sunni or Shia he would not know. Nevertheless, G-Dub the dhimwit was horny to get in the ring and take out Saddam because he dissed his daddy.
I've always hated the cult of muhammad. But the crazed and reckless and utterly irresponsible administration currently running the USA has done more damage than GWB and his headchopping, hatemongering crew ever did.
As long as Bush is President of the USA, there ain't shit we can say to the Jihadis. They despise George W. Bush. And well they should.
above post should have said:
But the crazed and reckless and utterly irresponsible administration currently running the USA has done more damage than OBL and his headchopping, hatemongering crew ever did.
Bush is not the enemy of our enemy. Bin Laden laid a trap and Bush walked into it. OBL knew that America would respond by diving into the black hole of Afghanistan. The Iraqi invasion was just the cherry on top of the sundae, pine nuts on top of the hummus.
There is, of course, the Boy Who Cried Wolf problem. The Administration is less likely to do what it should in Iran -- and what it should do has nothing to do with preventing the Shi'a Arabs from holding onto their new power in Iraq, and nothing to do with "invading" Iran, but everything to do with damaging, from the air, with or without the obvious ally, Iran's nuclear project. Otherwise, let the Shi'a threaten or seem to threaten the Sunnis, with their conventional forces, in Iraq. That may concern the Sunni Arabs of Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia, now moving heaven and earth to keep the Bush Administration convinced it should remain in Iraq. But it should be no concern of ours. We are Infidels. We wish to encourage internecine strife in the Camp of Islam. But for our own reasons, we cannot allow either side to acquire weapons of mass destruction. They can kill each other with lesser weaponry. That way, the Infidels will not have to worry as much.
The commander of the foreign operations wing of Iran's Revolutionary Guard met with Sunni Kurdish jihadist leaders in April 2005 to encourage them to launch attacks in Iraq.
Well NO DUH!
Amazing how all the armchair experts without one bit of Threat Matrix briefing term President Bush an idiot and that America is not doing anything in Iran but just watching things like a movie.
For the record Bush walked into nothing, he weighed the options and considering that America seized up to 3 nuclear bombs after 9 11 inside America it was deemed logical to destroy al Qaeda before they nuked several American cities.
bin Laden wanted the fight and in my actually listening to bin Laden on radio reports when he was in Tora, he was apologizing for screwing up as America was destroying him and he was begging his loons to fight to the death so he could escape and hide.
bin Laden messed up big time in "his war". The only problem is Americans screwing up and giving al Qaeda grounds in Iraq by the cheap shots at President Bush.
As for Iran, it is not worth helping the Iranians by confirming all that is going on, but in exchanges with the White House and watching filtered stories since....America is active against Iran. If people would bother to pay attention, they would have seen published reports the Kuwaiti Parliment was preparing for war this summer and certain bases in central Asia have been lighting up on Iran's northern border.
It gets very old the cheap shots directed at President Bush when all he is trying to do is keep Americans safe, their cars full of gas and the electric on so people can come here and type away.
He deserves a thank you and people before they post on here should try talking to some of the people they are ranting against. I will bet no one has even bothered and all their information is only coming from the propaganda machine of the MSM.
@Lame Cherry
I'm not taking cheap shots at Dubya. He wakes up every night in a cold sweat from a terrible nightmare. The former alcoholic believed in his high-and-dry mind that "there might be no casualties." (Caught on film. I saw it!) And now he realizes that he will have to face his maker and explain why winning re-election was worth the deaths of 500,000 men,women and children, not to mention the depletion of America's treasury, and the trashing of America's image in the world.
This is the same guy who thinks Gonzales is doing a great job. This is the same idiot who nominated Harriet Meyers for the Supreme Court. This is the same President who thought God would protect New Orleans from Hurricane Katrina becasue Bush asked God to do so.
Lamey, this idiotic war will be grinding on for a long time.
You say this Iraq invasion was a good thing?
I'll ask you again in a year.
I'll ask you again in five years.
I'll ask you again in twenty-five years.
President Bush is not worried about the American people. He worries only about himself and his cronies. He's cynical enough to want the next President to clean up his mess.
Unfortunately, the mess Bush made can never be cleaned up.
Never.
Amazing how all the armchair experts without one bit of Threat Matrix briefing term President Bush an idiot and that America is not doing anything in Iran but just watching things like a movie.
LC.. please tell us more abput your Threat Matrix briefings.
The truth is out there... WAY out there.
Ah, yes, nothing like a short sighted rant to make someone feel better about themselves.
Hey Ynkedoodl2, you might try seeing a Dr. about that advanced case of BDS you got working for you. The only thing you said that makes sense is that we are going to be in this war for a long time, but, in this world, it has to do with the fact that the islamofascists have declared war on us and no matter how many other presidents try to back out of this war(or any other war against the islamofascists for that matter) the enemy will continue.
Somebody help me out here. Who was the person who said that calling the POTUS stupid is just the latest way for stupid people to feel better about themselves?
Anyway, Lame Cherry is dead on right, taking a stand based on the opinions of the "no longer mainstream media" only serves to make you sound uninformed and in this case, an angry, bitter individual with no ability to see beyond your hatred. Save your hate for the islamofascists who want you dead as much as the POTUS.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
They didn't just egg them on...they were more directly involved than indirectly.
Even zarqawi couldn't have gotten as far as he did without them. mOslem sect is irrelevant with a common enemy...without iran (& syria to a lesser degree since the Marines are watching that pipeline), this "insurgency" wouldn't have existed this long at all, period.
That something the kool-aid kook fringe websites (whose fans are obviously shilling for here) won't admit to...after all, they're part of the same Unholy Alliance (see David Horowitz's book by the same name).
;-)
For the record Bush walked into nothing, he weighed the options and considering that America seized up to 3 nuclear bombs after 9 11 inside America it was deemed logical to destroy al Qaeda before they nuked several American cities.
bin Laden wanted the fight and in my actually listening to bin Laden on radio reports when he was in Tora, he was apologizing for screwing up as America was destroying him and he was begging his loons to fight to the death so he could escape and hide.
Lame.. either Bush is stupid or Hugh, who makes the case most eloquently why this is the wrong war. The fact that you call the SOWdis our best friends we ever had in another post is just one more thing that makes me wonder if you are sitting either in Bellevue or in Creedmore. Another thing is your occasional hints at knowledge of the Threat Matrix.
You have to cover your head with tinfoil and it'll all go away..
Please tell me where did you hea that America seized up to three noocoolar bombs. And please don't tell me you read it on Rense.
You also claim to "actually listening to bin Laden "begging his loons to fight to the death so he could escape and hide."
The story re. Tora Bora I read was - and I WILL research the source if I am called on it - American Fighter Pilots' outrage at being given the order to allow planes filled with ISI and Taliban to fly out of Tora Bora via a specific corridor. This order had been handed down from the highest source.
It is near certain that one Osama bin Laden was aboard one of these planes.
Oh and by the way.. I really hate Michael Moore but I loved the part of the movie where he questions the bin Laden family getting a private airlift out of the United States while all flights were grounded nationwide.
As the detective he interviewed said so pricelessly: " The bin Ladens were definitely persons of interest. I can't understand why they'd not be arrested for questioning - much rather than giving them an escorted ride out of the country."
That's not a direct quote - it's from memory only. But it catches the drift.
So please explain these few things to me, Lame Cherry.
Inquiring minds..
"We are Infidels. We wish to encourage internecine strife in the Camp of Islam. But for our own reasons, we cannot allow either side to acquire weapons of mass destruction."
Posted by Hugh
Both sides already hold WMD. Pakistan has had them for about a decade. Right now they're under the control of General Musharraf, but his hold on power is tenuous at best. It also is no guarantee that someone in the nuclear program won't dispense the necessary material, much as Khan spread his knowledge. It also doesn't stop a terrorist group from attacking a nuclear installation.
The Iranians may or may not have a fully functional weapon. At the very least, they can go to Pyongyang or even to Russia for whatever they need to put them over the top.
Are the reports false that say this won't be as easy as bombing Saddam's reactor in 1980s? Would we have any assurance of even setting them back a few years without all but destroying the country? Isn't the time long past for such a raid?
Neither country needs to launch a weapon to achieve its aims. Won't they be able to create radiation bombs that would be easier to deploy?
Yes, but their effectiveness (vs a full nuke det) is dramatically diminished.
No, doesn't mean it won't be nasty...just not nearly AS nasty.
They will do it via thir proxies already here, too...not directly as it means they're history as our response would be justified by any means, and even the chinese & russians couldn't say jack squat about it.
Supporting the troops requires more than some fine sounding phrases. It means giving them realistic rules of engagement, and stop prosecuting them for doing thier jobs. It requires that loud mouth criminals like Hairy Reed shut up. It requires that the entire demo/liberal elite quit giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Acting as individuals and in concert, these morons actually encourage jihadi's to kill more Americans. HOW IS THIS SUPPORTING THE TROOPS? How is it supporting them to not give them armor, or the special equipment required? Some of our troops have taken to mounting their cell phone cameras on thier helmets, to prove they had a sanctioned reason for fireing thier weapons. Why is that?
Bush is partly to blame, but so are his detractors, especially those who are in an unholy alliance with jihadi terrorists to increase American deaths.
Now they want to 'talk' to Irans Beast, while Iran continues to aid the Iraqi jihadi's. Nancy 'talked' to Syria while they also were aiding jihadis. While the morons talk, emboldened jihadi's kill more Americans, and others. How is any of this supporting the troops?? These people have abandon our troops except for lip service, and our troops know this. And, some of these people would be president...God help us, dont send Allah...
If God blesses anything, God bless our troops...
It gets very old the cheap shots directed at President Bush when all he is trying to do is keep Americans safe, their cars full of gas and the electric on so people can come here and type away.
He deserves a thank you and people before they post on here should try talking to some of the people they are ranting against. I will bet no one has even bothered and all their information is only coming from the propaganda machine of the MSM.
Posted by: Lame Cherry
It gets very old the unholy praise directed at President Bush when all he is trying to do is keep Corporations safe, their coffers full of cash and the borders wide open so people can come here and jihad away.
He deserves a kick in the pants and people before they post on here should try talking to some of the people who know what they are talking about. I will bet no one has even bothered and all their information is only coming from the propaganda machine of the MSM.
Posted by: fLaming Looney
PS. to say that we who criticize dhumbya are getting all our information from the MSM is proof that you have absolutely no clue.
We are not criticizing him for what the Cindy Shia-ann crowd is criticizing him for. We are criticizing him for pandering both to the Looney Left too much and at the same time his SOWdi paymasters.
jcom972:
If their goal is to totally destroy a city they would need the full nuke. They would also need a way to deliver it. Does either country have ICBMs? That suggests the attack would take place closer to home (for them).
If their goal is to cause a lot of mayhem a radiation bomb would do just as well.
Once either of these happens, the gloves come off.
The question still remains: is a preemptive strike on Iran even possible? Everything has been farmed out to various locations. Even if we pulverize one, two or ten installations, will the overall program be affected? And what if we set it back two or three years? We haven't gotten rid of the problem, only postponed it.
Pakistan poses a similar problem. Their nukes are controlled right now, but for how long? Unless we deal with the Islamists themselves won't the day of reckoning also come in Pakistan? At some point that government will fall. And then what? The people who will overthrow it are not sane. What will they do with those nukes once they are able to control them? Are Pakistan's nuclear scientists responsible or are they Islamists?
Oh yeah, you get your info from michael moore and his creative editing, that's much better!
Hey Allahfanculo, I've read many of your posts here and you sound like an inteligent and reasoning individual, but when anyone starts on that BDS/Bush is stupid bs it only serves to devalue your argument. The fact is that no rational person thinks that dealing with the saudis is a positive move towards stopping the incursions of the islamofascists but as long as we're dependant on their oil, you had better find some way of working with those two faced scumbags.
Now, once we find some other form of energy, I say let them burn in hell or atleast create one for them and the rest of their murdering, irhabi ilk.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Sounds like an awful lot of monday morning quarterbacking to me. Hindsight can make an ignoramous appear brilliant.
I am also quite angry at GWB. Being angry is different from calling him names, alleging conspiracies and basically disrespecting him becuase of that anger.
The President is a decent man, with more moral fiber in his pinky than Clinton(s), Kerry, Pelosi, Reid have combined. Same with courage and patriotism.
I believe Hugh has stated more than once, and I agree, what he is guilty of, and what we should be most concerned with now. That is his (GWB's) ignorance, or unwillingness, to take the time to fully understand the nature and history of Islam, and, that perhaps we can forgive his ignorance before 9/11, and even for some short time thereafter. But no more. ( I invite Hugh to correct me if I have misquoted him).
I wonder how many of us, who come from various backgrounds, sources of knowledge and degrees knew as much as we should have before 9/11? Perhaps there are a few here who can say they knew of the threat before than (like Robert and Hugh). Or did you, like me, do your research and make your conclusions about Islam after that date?
It might also be different if we were accusing him of not comprehending something much more sophisticated and complicated. How much would it take for him to "get it"? How much time would it take for him to pick up a freakin' book or 2, like the ones advertised here at thje Books section at JW?
So unless you can state. with some degree of persuasivenss, that you knew before the invasion of Iraq, that bringing democracy to Iraq would not have been successful and you knew it would have led to so many military deaths and cost so much money, becuase of your certainty of knowledge about the nature and history of Islam was that good, I don't think you have a right to crticize the president for making a wrong decision then.
Australia:
Soccer Jihad Video:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/28/australia-soccer-video-jihad/
CIA and State Department, they have working against the Bush GOP and actively aiding the demorats and should be held up for treason, especially the State Dept. full of Clinton hold on.. as some one send
dead enders..
Someone just answer these 2 questions for me.
1. Would we have gone into Iraq if there were no oil fields?
2. Why haven't we gone into Somalia?
China is heavily invested in Somalia's oil as is Pakistan. China sits on the 'security' council - so no chance of any sanctions there. Also, must keep Pakistan on our side (YEAH RIGHT).
Iraq and Iran would be nothing to us if they were throwing their usual islamic fits (blowing each other up) but had no oil. Oil makes it all worthwhile?
The crap about us caring for the Iraq's right to democracy is about as stupid as France's lame 'concern' for Iraqis when we shocked and awed them.
The bottom line. It's ALWAYS about money, oil, investment.
I wouldn't want ANY of my kids over there dying for ANY of the barbaric nutters. They'll just hate us anyway. After all, we are infidels to them.
They're not worth one drop of our children's blood. Why are Christian children being blown up for folks who adhere to a demonic religion? Makes no sense to me.
The balkans didnt have oil...but we went anyway.
Ohhhh, that's right...that's taboo to bring klintonski up, thus exposing question 1 for the loaded diversionary it is.
Sorry...my bad...lol