And why not? It isn't as if this one gave them any reason to be concerned about negative fallout from this kind of behavior. "Buoyant Teheran warns of further kidnappings," by Gethin Chamberlain, Philip Sherwell and Tim Shipman in the Sunday Telegraph, with thanks to The Bloodjet:
Hardliners in the Iranian regime have warned that the seizure of British naval personnel demonstrates that they can make trouble for the West whenever they want to and do so with impunity. The bullish reaction from Teheran will reinforce the fears of western diplomats and military officials that more kidnap attempts may be planned.The British handling of the crisis has been regarded with some concern in Washington, and a Pentagon defence official told The Sunday Telegraph: "The fear now is that this could be the first of many. If the Brits don't change their rules of engagement, the Iranians could take more hostages almost at will.
"Iran has come out of this looking reasonable. If I were the Iranians, I would keep playing the same game. They have very successfully muddied the waters and bought themselves some more time. And in parts of the Middle East they will be seen as the good guys. They could do it time and again if they wanted to."
Americans also expressed dismay that the British had suspended boarding operations in the Gulf while its tactics are reassessed.
What can you expect. You appease, you get more of the same crap.
An aside note: Are you still awake at 2:00 am your time (I'm on the West Coast)? Do you ever get any sleep?
Are you still awake at 2:00 am your time (I'm on the West Coast)? Do you ever get any sleep?
actually there is a great show on ArtBell about 9-11
What the US/Brit should do is set up traps for the Iranians. but that takes some intelligence.
maybe Robert gets catnaps in daytime lol..
Appeasement never works!!! How many times must this be repeated!?
Look at the bright side: The Iranians could push their luck and convince more and more people that their having nukes is totally unacceptable. I read in jpost.com today that a new poll in Europe shows that a majority there favors a strike on Iran.
Has anything really changed since piracy menaced Infidel ahipping off the coast of North Africa 200 years ago?
1916 - the sinking of the Lusitania. America enters WWI.
1941 - sneak attack on Pearl Harber. America enters WWII.
2007 - american battle cruiser sunk in the golf. America enters and FINISHES Golf War III and at the end plants the stars and stripes in the burning hulk of the city that was once known as Teheran.
More easy kidnappings?
Well, lets wait and see.
In a further cost cutting initiative the red cross of St. George will be replaced with a white plus sign in the fabled White Ensign of the Royal Navy. In addition the Union Jack in the canton, with its crosses of St. George, St. Andrew and St. Patrick, will be eliminated as an unnecessarily provocative to certain followers of peaceful religions.
http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/images/g/gb~we.gif
Maximum Leader Pelosi plans a similar redesign of Old Glory to free up more money for spinach growers. The constellation of stars will be expanded to fill the whole field as an offering of universality to all carbon-based life forms. Bush is expected to invite Maximum Leader Pelosi to lunch to announce this kinder, gentler, new tone pendent.
Jesus Christ died for His God. Mohammad killed for his god.
Jesus Christ died for our sins. Mohammad slaughtered those he dammed as sinners.
There can be no peace with good Muslims.
Celebrate Christ's blessings while you can.
What city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?
If there was going to be a Islamic nuclear strike it would probably come from a coup in Pakistan as is threatened and will be directed at either Israel or India until they acquire better missile technology, then western Europe maybe even Rome (As Christianities 1st city after Jerusalem) or London eventually the USA.
"...and at the end plants the stars and stripes in the burning hulk of the city that was once known as Teheran." from a posting above.
And just why would USA want to plant the stars and stripes in Tehran? Do you think the USA defence budget is unlimited??
Do your business and leave I suggest.
My cats woke me at 4:30 am (posting in the dark leads to typos), but I think that the odd times of Robert's posts shows that he never sleeps, because he's really a djinn, sent to torment Muslims by making them face reality. Hugh is also a djinn, by the way, and can be made to appear by rubbing a bottle of Bushmills after it's been drunk.
"Jolly good show, old boy. I do say, we rattled their knickers, those mullahs. By surrendering so fast, we took them by surprise. They were expecting some foolishness from our lads, but we showed them, by God. I doubt they'll have the nerve to try any such nonsense again. We took their suits, we ate their food, plundered their gift bags. I must admit though, old boy, the Iranians kept a stiff upper lip through the thrashing we gave them. It seems those Persians have retained a bit of England in them, wouldn't you say? They were a worthy adversary.
Jolly good show all 'round."
ZenaWarriorPrincess
"maybe Robert gets catnaps in daytime lol.."
Robert Spencer lives in a undisclosed location...
Perhaps this post came from "Shangri-La"!
Michael Shrimpton, from the British intel, was on Art Bell's real late show, he was so interesting that l could not sleep. He answered some of the looney questions from Art's callers, and l think most of his listerners are from the moveon crowd.
but this Michael Shrimpton had disclosed how France and Germany (Russis/China) were practically in bed with Iraq, and also with Iran. France and germany have sold weapons grade uranium to iran, and always voted against the US, (Bolton) to prevent the US /Britts from making any headway against Iraq, and now Iran. The Britts need to leave the EU among other things, the money saved (which l did not know they pay into EU) would go into their military.
He had very little respect for Blair, and that Blair showed how very influence and weak on the Iranian hostage taking of his men. it was a fascinating radio show.
I might be in the Minority here
I would think the British will give a completely different response if this happens again.
Actually, it wouldn't make a difference who the Iranians try it against.
If our not so friendly "friends" cannot find the since to support us in times of need. Then there is no need to waste our time looking for their support.
If the EU is not willing to restrict trade with Iran out of self Interest. Then we need not concern ourselves if we render Iran into a non-functioning State, Incapable of trading with anyone.
One needs to be in a very, very deep hole to look up to Europe. Watch out for falling Dirt.
They will miscalculate. Badly. Soon. Too many apocalyptic Jihadists in too much of a hurry.
Our boys at the skunk works must be licking their chops at the prospect of show casing our new toys to the world, HELLO BOYS I'M BACK!!!!!
Could be an opportunity of a life-time; could even beat being chosen for American idol too!
Fury as the hostages sell stories
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1626726.ece
"Hooray for Hollywood...$$$"
Perhaps someone will start a kidnap tourist agency where someone can go to Iran, get kidnapped, pay for their release, and the rest will be Hollywood history!
Just when we think we've hit rock bottom, the floor drops out and down we plunge. How far have we plummeted in trying to make a fast buck?
I'm interested in whether our British friends still regard this whole unfortunate episode as anything other than an act of appeasement that would whet iran's appetite for more of the same. I'm not going to say I told you so, b/c I didn't. Even though I believed under the totality of the circumstances (including their nuclear program), Britain should have issued an ultimatum w/in hours of the seizure, I strongly take issue w/ the condemnations expressed by some other Americans of British handling of the incident. Nevertheless, the question still stands: Do those of you who believe Britain did the right thing still believe it?
BTW, I'm not interested in playing a game of "gotcha." And to those rabid, anti-British Americans who do want to play that game, please butt out. Let's just hear what the British have to say.
Since today's Easter, I suppose an attack on the centrifuges would be in bad taste. How does tomorrow, Chiefs?
That isn't all! Now Sadr also told to start attacks on America soldiers and not Iraqi's. I knew Sadr coming back- coming back strong, he allied with Admadjine! The chains are coming off!
The Iranians have stepped up the BS! They are pissed about the Brit's and they do not like the fact U.S. has been doing better. Iran wants to show us now the dhimmi's are right we must get out! When all and all we should be quite prepared for what is about to come! Except Polosi took the funding away from the troops. I heard they have enough $ till July.
Sadr has been underground for so long and these chemical attacks that have been going on. I am quite worried!
Sadr is exactly like a Nazi Werewolf. He needs to be shot along with all his soldiers. And it should be public.
This hand-holding is because of one thing and one thing only -- ISLAM.
Do you understand why I rant? If this bandit was just a simple Nazi, he'd have been dead long ago, but because the U.S. military is being dhimmifide by ridiculous political policies, they are fearful to act against Sadr because of a perceived backlash from the already warring Islamic Iraqis on both sides.
Well, there WILL be a price to pay for killing any Islamic cleric as long as we continue down this road. As long as we continue to fear Islam and cave into it's demands. As long as we allow Islamic regimes like Iran to pull the strings with no reprisals that contain teeth. As long as Islamic terrorists continue to strive to murder Westerners and especially Israelis and Americans.
There will ALWAYS be a price to pay.
But continue to pay the price in smaller amounts today and you can guarantee the jizya that comes later will choke us all to death. Like good little dhimmis we continue to let our soldiers die because we are afraid of Islamic clergymen who are ordering them to be killed -- because we are afraid to declare war on ISLAM.
Why then has told Islamists to stop declaring war on us? Because like hyenas these pirates smell blood and fear and they circle and amass greater numbers for the kill. We'd better find the stones to do what needs to be done and start listening to "fringe" pundits like me, or I can promise you that this isn't going to do anything but play right into the hands of Iran, Syria and Saudi Arabia. Europe will vanish. Iraq will fall under Iranian authority and the U.S. will have spent blood and treasure for nothing. Israel will be destroyed and the world will be held under eventual nuclear terror from Iran and a new Islamist government in Pakistan. Then the WMDs we couldn't find in Iraq will show up in the hands of Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, et al. And then they will end up here in the U.S.A.
Happy Easter.
How to Deal with Werewolves
edit: Why then has NOBODY told Islamists to stop declaring war on us?
From the article
More like, "while the Americans beg and plead for the British to change their mind". Like it or not, the confused war in Iraq is coming to its ignominious end. Better it should be replaced by a sensible war on the true centers of Islamic terrorism. Better yet it should be replaced by not a "hot war", but a "cold war" of identifying and isolating and permanently expelling Islam's influence from the West.
"Happy Easter" everyone! Jesus died=The maturity of a perfect image of God's love for us! - And the ultimate maturity of satan's hate-humanity in Satan's image! 1st and 2nd humanity. The death of Jesus resulted in a double revelation. It revealed the character of sin and the character of the Christ. If Jesus had not risen there would be no salvation. THE NEW HUMANITY!!
When Iran uses the first nuclear weapon, that will be the end of Islamic culture as we know it. You know the Israeli's will nuke, Mecca, Medina, Riyahd, Damascus, Cairo, Tehran, Tabriz, and Khartoum. Afterward, they will claim the oil in Suadi, afterall, there will not be anyone there to contest it.
I concur! Their all wolves following the pack. Even the Iraqi's should of had good intel on this wolf Sadr! We all know he has been pushing buttons and working with Iran and the QAD's! When ever Sadr gets embolden he has plans in process! Iran to back him up! Iran is going to really push their hand in this now! It is sure taking away the NUKE issue! Plus their plans on Israel! Which Israel is ready to do a prison swap, I don't get it! Guess they figure they can kill em later for they want their soldier back before sht hits the fan! oh dum dum Nancy!
The time will come when some Iranins sneak across the Iraq border and try to snatch some US soldiers. Then we can compare the Brit/US response. We will not know until it happens.
I can only guess that the US Navy is also conducting ship boardings and searches in that region.
@Pelayo: I already know what the U.S. response will be to an encounter -- even if outnumbered.
'Black Hawk Down'
http://www.voicenet.com/~lpadilla/blackhawk.html
"The remainder of the raiding party similarly fought off hordes of armed militia for the next 15 hours at and around the first crash site, while the main body of the convoy pulled back and then waited for reinforcements and armored vehicle support from the main UN force before finally breaking through. In addition to Gordon, Shughart and the three Blackhawk crewmen, 14 other Americans were killed and 73 others wounded. The Somalis suffered approximately 500 dead and at least as many more wounded. Durant was held captive for 11 days until the former US Ambassador to Somalia returned with a message of "friendly advice" to be relayed to Aidid that more military action would follow unless Durant was released."
Hmmm...I wonder why they didn't try that with the US?
Oh, yeah...I almost forgot. They were promptly greeted with Operation PRAYING MANTIS in 1988.
Appeasers are simply sheep(le) who feed the wolf, hoping to be eaten last. (paraphrased from WSC)
:-)
"The time will come when some Iranins sneak across the Iraq border and try to snatch some US soldiers."
Pelayo
It has happened, partially.
The American soldiers had the good sense to fight back while executing a successful retreat.
I believe I read an account on www.blackfive.net
flowerknife_us:
I would think the British will give a completely different response if this happens again.>
Yes. Blair will ask for the next set of prisoners back slightly more nicely.
If the EU is not willing to restrict trade with Iran out of self Interest.
[laugh]. If by shear chance Iran bombed Israel, the very next day France would want to continue trading with Iran. I regard the EU as unprincipled with regards to trade. And the UN Security council (considering Russia & China are members), the same.
Why in the heck kidnap more hostages when all Iran has to do is show up in England and say BOO as the Brits will all surrender as their "soldiers" report that actually being soldiers might get them hurt so it is easier to just give up.
Forget the hostages boys of Tehran take the whole island as England stopped being a nation last week.
hey everyone, if american troops are kidnapped, i don't want to see gloating from he brits (i'm british) on jihad watch, we need to support all our allied soldiers efforts.
all those soldiers out there from the canadians to the czechs are doing a bloody brilliant job in afganistan and iraq. canada today lost 8 guys, for our freedom so we can celebrate easter here at peace.
lets hope that the british and US navy are setting up a trap for any future iranian piracy and just blow the buggers out of the water!
we need a good laugh to cheer us all up and make us all friends again on JW!
peace
leonthepigfarmer,
Agreed. We need to support each other.
The kidnapped British soldiers were let down by their military commanders. What happened after that is irrelevant. If you have no support at the top, what can you as a hostages do?
But now that they're out ... let the aerial bombardment begin. Take out nuclear sites. Take out enough of the guard and command centers that the people can revolt.
“I'm interested in whether our British friends still regard this whole unfortunate episode as anything other than an act of appeasement that would whet iran's appetite for more of the same.”
This British friend is pretty disgusted, overall. I cannot see why the soldiers/sailors weren’t better protected when operating in these waters, why they had to laugh and smile in front of Iranian cameras, and least of all how they are allowed to sell their “stories” to the media to earn a fast buck – and astounded that as professionals they should want to. I don’t think it was necessarily “act of appeasement”, but it certainly does no good at all to Britain’s reputation, and badly lets down the troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.
However, the sort of gloating posted by Lame Cherry (where is Elric66, by the way?), I find utterly despicable, as there is no reason to think the Americans would have handled this any better.
Don't know whether this has been linked here before:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1626726.ece
Hmm.
sheik yer booty:
I'm interested in whether our British friends still regard this whole unfortunate episode as anything other than an act of appeasement that would whet iran's appetite for more of the same.
I have mixed thoughts about the whole set of events:
1) It is nonsense to expect Iran to abide by Geneva conventions when that is not in place with Guantanamo Bay. I am not arguing for the closing of GB, I am just pointing out how it looks to Muslims.
2) And after I advocated "suspended judgement" until we found out from them what happened, it turns out that ours troop were subjected to psychological torture which explains their cowtowing to the Iranians. Even so, I am still non-impressed by their behaviour. Didnt they get training in this when becoming Navy?
3) The biggest mistakes was by their commanders. I am amazed that they did not have more protection/cover.
4) Lastly I have been gobsmacked by the subsequent book deals approved (normal policy is never approve) of by the Ministry of Defence. What the f##k ???????
Faye is likely to make £100,000 ($200,000) from the media. It is like Reality TV:
Get captured by Iranians, endure some humiliations, collect bonus royalties.
Is this real?????
Britain should have issued an ultimatum w/in hours of the seizure
And do what exactly if the ultimatum is not met?
The best option would to cripple their refinery.
Iran has had a recent history of going against all kinds of ultimatums. They are masters of brinkmanship.
I strongly take issue w/ the condemnations expressed by some other Americans of British handling of the incident. Nevertheless, the question still stands: Do those of you who believe Britain did the right thing still believe it?
When you say "Britain" who do you mean?
The Navy seaman who were captured?
The Navy commanders?
The Government?
None comes out very well, in my opinion.
I will say one thing mind you:
Prior to the Vietnam war, most Western Governments (and the public) accepted that if there were casualties among the Military, that was the price you paid for war. And we all universally accepted that.
The Vietnam war not only had an effect on the American Government but on all other Western Governments after it. And that was that the public did like to see vast numbers of troops arrive back home in body bags.
I think this thoughtform did great damage to the Military psyche of Western countries. Now you started getting doctrines for limited casualities among the Military. And I think this thoughtform is prevalent today. Money is spent like water, but if it will appear to costs lives, then it stands less of a chance of becoming a battle plan.
The public does not think, "What are we going to win?". Instead, it is, "What is this going to cost in lives?".
These days, "Air Strikes" are more popular with politicians than "Men on the Ground" even if it works out that some plan can only succeed with the latter than the former.
This is weakness and will be exploited by Muslims.
BTW, I'm not interested in playing a game of "gotcha." And to those rabid, anti-British Americans who do want to play that game, please butt out. Let's just hear what the British have to say.
This will be one among many incidents, so dont get too disappointed in Britains response. Expect more "appeasement" in future incidents.
But I will also expect similar "appeasement" from the USA, France, Germany, Italy.
The truth is, as long as liberal values dominate Western thinking and Western responses, we will be weak. That is the bottom line. We need to move to the right. Therefore, despite the fact Bush has not been a big success in his Presidency, ideally we want
David Cameron in Britain
Sarkozy in France
A tough Republican in USA 2008
Angela Merkel re-elected but just the CSD party
Jose Aznar in Spain
Belesconi in Italy
Do I think David Cameron is Margerat Thatcher?
No, he is not tough enough.
But I prefer him than Gordon Brown (who screwed up our Pensions).
Our Media also needs to move rightwards.
Isnt the New York Times an apologist for the Dhimmicrat party? Same with the BBC. I am tired of their left-wing values. Only Rupert Mudochs papers reflect reality.
oh s**t!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3385906,00.html
"iran to announce nuclear day"
please if any rogue MI6 officers or CIA officers are reading this, i am willing to sacrifice my life to take out the iranian president! something has to be done, i don't wanna see NYC or London get nuked, PLEASE STOP THIS MAD MAN NOW!!!
I'm just wondering...
How many of those JW posters urging a jingoistic response to future kidnappings would still feel the same way if they or their loved ones were part of the those kidnapped?
Lame Cherry
"Forget the hostages boys of Tehran take the whole island as England stopped being a nation last week."
How hard is this to understand? We Americans are just a dhimmified as the Brits. Our leaders can't bend over fast enough to please their Saudi overlords. Bush is worst of them. He nearly does a strip tease when ever the King of Arabians calls for him.
Lets also rememeber 1979...we have been there, done that.
Freedom:
How many of those JW posters urging a jingoistic response to future kidnappings would still feel the same way if they or their loved ones were part of the those kidnapped?
It isnt jingoism. It depends on whether you think Western civilisation is worth defending and the freedom we have. I think it is.
But I dont want to give the impression that I am casual about the loss of lives among the troops. I am not. Every life matters.
But at the same time, I dont want to get to the position where we are scared to take action because of the loss of life. When Winston Churchill took over Neville Chamberlain to wage war, he knew there was no point in wasted diplomacy. Churchill said
Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.
But in all this, we have to choose our battles carefully. And fighting in Iraq in wrong.
Hugh is 100% correct. So there is no point in expending a single military life in Iraq. Withdraw is right (and I dont care if that creates taunts).
And if loved ones are held hostage?
Well, that will not alter my response.
If they are held hostage it will be by some tyranny - and that was the reason for fighting.
If they were in the Military and they were held hostage - what was the point for joining the Military if their lives were deemed as unloseable?
Right now all of the above is premature - the West is not in a position where it appreciates who the enemy is. Bush, Blair, Condi are sill ignorant. I read recently of some Pentagon offical who doubted whether 1 billion people (the Muslims) can all be wrong - answer yes.
We need to become fortress like - pass laws on Islam - deport Muslims.
How hard is this to understand? We Americans are just a dhimmified as the Brits. Our leaders can't bend over fast enough to please their Saudi overlords. Bush is worst of them. He nearly does a strip tease when ever the King of Arabians calls for him.
Lets also rememeber 1979...we have been there, done that.
Well remmeber after nine eleven, mayor of NYC Guiliani was offered money by a Sowdi shiek, and that Sheik said something about that attack was your
fault for your support of Israel. so Rudy told the Sowdi sheik to stuff it, and keep his money. Now that is one good politician who is not afraid of the sowdi and their oil money.
I am thinking of the scourge of hunger, of incurable diseases, of terrorism and kidnapping of people, of the thousand faces of violence which some people attempt to justify in the name of religion, of contempt for life, of the violation of human rights and the exploitation of persons.
-From the Pope's Easter message
Beneath all the sludge of papal bs this Pope seems intent on inserting a morsel of Truth.
"Those who have ears, Let him hear."
ZenaWarriorPrincess:
How hard is this to understand? We Americans are just a dhimmified as the Brits. Our leaders can't bend over fast enough to please their Saudi overlords. Bush is worst of them. He nearly does a strip tease when ever the King of Arabians calls for him.
ZenaWarriorPrincess is 100% right. I am smarting and somewhat embarassed by our sailors response in Iran.
But that fact is, whatever the calls are here for various military actions, we have not got a single politician in the West who understands what is going on with respect to Islam. The closest one is Nicolas Sarkozy (President-elect of France). How can we fight a war, if no politician and few of the media understand what is going on?. I am amazed that Condi has not understood - she is bright. Her ME attempts at the peace process are doomed to failure.
Even if America or Britain or another Western country makes a "right action" as we decide here on JW, it wont be a right action if it is not done for the right reasons that is understood by everyone.
The few media people who do understand are Robert, Hugh, most of the Muslim apostates like Aayan Hirsi Ali, Walid Phares, Wafa Sultan etc. But so far, we have not got a critical mass of people believeing them. Non-muslims in most Western countries are uneasy about Islam, but few can articulate why. We here in JW are priviledged - we know why.
We desperately need to mass educate the public about Islam and its dangers
Still, there is a casual awareness to understanding Islam. 10 years ago, nobody in the West would have understood the words "Sunni" or "Shia" - now quite a few do. So we are drifting the the right direction.
But we need more than just "drift".
I wonder how many deadly Iranian made shaped charge IED's were smuggled into Iraq while attention was focused on the seizure of British sailors? Quite a few I'd bet.
It seems to me that the main reason why the Brits were so supine in the face of the Iranians is that they had a woman in their midst. Then when it transpired that nothing horrible had happened to her, in their relief they acted like drunk fools.
One can't really blame the young men for acting this way; if it is a point of honour to stand up for one's nation, it is even more important to defend the honour of one's women. This is the visceral level at which all of us including football hooligans operate. Soldiers and sailors at the frontline have a hard time already without to having to worry about mothers in their midst.
UK Infidel Lover, if we want to win this war for the survival of our civilization, it will have to be paid for, by all of us, on every front, whether militarily or through telling thre truth about Islam and exposing it to the scrutiny that it needs. And if typical Cameron means hugging hoodies, it is hardly encouraging. What did he say about the kidnap of those 15 British troops and sailors? Absolutely nothing. He avoided the issue completely. During World War II, we were faced with a base rate of income tax of around 50%. It cannot be done on the cheap. World War II cost Britain over £50 billion - and that was the £50 billion of the 1940s - much closer to £500 or £600 billion in today's money. For the US, it was over $300 billion - at least $3 or $4 trillion today.
"The Somalis suffered approximately 500 dead and at least as many more wounded. "
......The actual death Somali death toll was at least 1,000 (including civilians).....
The small number of Americans lasted 18 hours, and basically just ran out of ammunition.....
....the slow response by the Americans was disgraceful....
....the fallen Americans were not martyrs, they were heroes.....even in death they accomplished their mission.....what is overlooked by every one is that the soldiers did capture two senior lieutenants of Somali warlord Aidid, Osman Ali Atto and Abdi Hasan Awale Qeybdiid (this was the mission of the raid.....
....perhaps things would have been different if the Americans had just taken out the bad guys with some laser guided missiles...but the Americans were seeking information.....not deaths...
...maybe we should start changing our tactics....
....if only the politicians would allow the military to do its job.....
I bet the Brits still think they did the right thing
Of course Tehran is going to arrange more kidnappings. This event was not only a fantastic piece of PR and demoralization of "the enemy" for Iran, it probably also resulted in the US releasing one of the senior Iranian scumbags captured in Iraq.
Melanie Phillips: Britain on its Knees: http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1486
Iranian munitions and weapons are found every day in Iraq by the coalition forces....
....Iranian munitions and weapons come from only one place...
"If the Brits don't change their rules of engagement, the Iranians could take more hostages almost at will."
....but the Brits have removed themselves from the theatre by agreeing not to show up....
...The Iranians have tried to capture some Americans in Iraq...The Americans chose to fight and they escaped successfully...
....the Iranians will now try harder to capture some Americans....If some are captured...look for executions...
....The Iranians are looking for another feather in their cap....capturing Americans is high on their list...
Ex Sarge -
And lets not forget that Clinton's Defense Secretary denied our troops tanks for this operation. It could have ended differently if we had had some people with guts in Washington. Now we have the Dems pulling the plug on our troops again!
UK Infidel
" We desperately need to mass educate the public about Islam and its dangers"
We have the same problem here. The American Press is shaking in its politically correct boots at words like jihad, Muslim, Islam; they greatly fear CAIR lawsuits (paid for by the Saudis), moreso even than another 9/11. I have sent repeated letters to the editor of various papers trying to tell the story - they never get printed. Citing this website and others like it also appears to be a PC nono for the letters to the editor. Talk radio and Fox News in this country are the only general media sources that tell it like it is. Unfortunately they only get to 10 or 20 percent of the population. The rest of the population, the press and the media are living another planet - the liberal PC planet
Spirit Of 1683:
UK Infidel Lover, if we want to win this war for the survival of our civilization, it will have to be paid for, by all of us, on every front, whether militarily or through telling thre truth about Islam and exposing it to the scrutiny that it needs.
Oh I am under no doubt about that.
Q: Do I think I may lose my life?
A: Yes, I do. But if I have to, I will make sure it is worthwhile.
And if typical Cameron means hugging hoodies, it is hardly encouraging. What did he say about the kidnap of those 15 British troops and sailors? Absolutely nothing. He avoided the issue completely.
I dont find him encouraging. I would prefer David Davis. I want someone tough. But maybe, maybe Cameron might show toughness. He is like an untested sword.
Will it splinter and break on first thrust?
Will it ring, stay whole and do damage?
We dont know. But admittedly, the signs are not good. But out of all the potential Prime Ministers, he is the least of all evils - which is not the same thing as saying he is the best possible good.
During World War II, we were faced with a base rate of income tax of around 50%. It cannot be done on the cheap. World War II cost Britain over £50 billion - and that was the £50 billion of the 1940s - much closer to £500 or £600 billion in today's money. For the US, it was over $300 billion - at least $3 or $4 trillion today.
I dont think it will cheap either, but it depends on what you think should be done.
I go along with Lawrence Auster's Separation theory which in my opinion is the only sensible option. See
www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/006854.html
Currently the West does not Islam to account, but it needs to. We can ask
1. Why is it that in Saudi Arabia, Hindu temples, Christian churches cannot be built, people are prosecuted for owning Bibles, yet in the West, we tolerate Mosque building with Saudi funds?
2. We should examine Islam and conclude that it is a political movement which is totalitarian.
There is ample proof for that.
We should make sure that the relevant verses out of the Hadith, Sira, Quran are known and also what Muslims have done in Europe, North Africa, Asia throughout history.
3. On the basis of that, Mosques should be closed, any Muslims with residency should be deported (without regard as to whether their home country will torture or not - I dont care), any naturalised should be deported, marriage to a non-Western Muslim for the purpose of importing them here should be made illegal.
Emigration of Muslims should be encouraged - one-way tickets.
4. And our dealings with Islamic countries should be very very tough.
Forget everything else, if everything that matters is now destined for Hell. The Islamists, worldwide, have not yet done "enough" to convince the West that there exists no alternative save to exterminate the enemy, before he exterminates you. But that day is coming. Can the Moslem world hope to understand that once the gloves are off, the West will treat every single Moslem, worldwide, not as a potential enemy but as the ACTUAL enemy; to be dealt with accordingly? The West, at this point in time, does not include "Europe"; but it does bring the US, ANZACS and Israel to the forefront. There are enough WMD's tucked away in the arsenals of the West to obliterate all traces of Islam from every corner of the globe except Europe.
Europe succumbs to the deviant BS of a former French "President", whose surname resounds like a hollow bell? d'Estaaaaaing? Silly, silly little frogs...