London police counter-terror chief: "Sensible assumption" jihadists will strike again in U.K.

There is much discussion in the article about how difficult the situation is, but almost nothing about what they intend to do in order to manage and reduce the threat. "Islamist militants may strike in Britain again," by Adrian Croft for Reuters:

LONDON (Reuters) - London police's anti-terrorist chief said on Tuesday it was a "sensible assumption" that Islamist militants will strike again in Britain.
Reviewing British counter-terrorism efforts since the September 11 attacks on U.S. cities, Peter Clarke said the strategic threat from Islamist militants was "enduring and to a significant extent targeted at the United Kingdom."
"Within the country we have people who are sympathetic to the terrorist cause and prepared to carry out attacks against their fellow citizens," he said in a lecture.
The police and security service had stopped a number of attacks in Britain and more than 100 people were awaiting trial on terrorist-related charges, he said.
"Nevertheless, we suffered the appalling attacks of July 2005 and the only sensible assumption is that we shall be attacked again," he said.
[...]
"The extremists have a momentum that must be stopped," he added.
In the 2005 London attacks and in other cases, police had spotted a trend for groups of British citizens to travel to Pakistan for training and then returning to Britain and building up their networks in preparation for launching attacks, he said.

This has become known as the "Al-Qaeda Pipeline."

Clarke said the threat from al Qaeda was very different from the threat Britain faced for 30 years from Irish Republican Army (IRA) guerrillas opposed to British rule in Northern Ireland.
The al Qaeda networks are large, mobile and resilient, he said.
"We have seen how al Qaeda has been able to survive a prolonged, multinational assault on its structures, personnel and logistics. It has certainly retained its ability to deliver centrally directed attacks here in the UK," he said.
"Arrested leaders or key players are quickly replaced, and disrupted networks will re-form quickly. Suicide has been a frequent feature of attack planning and delivery," he said.
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I suppose we could play nice with the suspicious travellers to suspected ‘Islamic training grounds’ and let it be known that all travellers who have been overseas in the past 5 years will be brought in for a wee chat……if they do a runner and don’t cooperate then all members of their extended families will be sent packing.

If there are any reasons to be concerned about these individuals at all, their extended families will be sent packing.

If they have any concerns about being ‘caught out’ then now would be a good time to get on a plane and head back to the Islamic hellhole of their choice….after which we could send all their extended families packing anyway.

Friends and associates of those sent packing who get the ol’ Muslim rage thing going can also have themselves (and their extended families) sent on a jolly jaunt on a one way ticket to somewhere nice and hot too.

This would hold true for the liberal yogurt knitters who get outraged by this policy, they can sod off.

The Government has seen fit to ban certain Islamic groups in the recent past, let’s just go the whole hog and ban Islam period. What’s the problem?

Been here 10 years and still don’t speak English….out, you obviously don’t want to fit in here and will be incapable of understanding what this country means to us.

No PC crap, no double speak, no messing about.

Resentful that Islam is about to be banned….out. Go somewhere where it lives and prospers. Somalia’s nice at this time of year, a place where all the skills that have been learned here could be put to good use and assist in building another Islamic paradise.
The skills learned in Pakistan could also be put to good use too in building the alternative Islamic paradise, the one which has lots of explosions and violence kicking off, mind you there’s lots of room for running about doing the ‘Rage Thing’.

One door closes and another one opens, lets be positive about this folks.

If we were to be playing the ‘not nice ‘ version of repatriation it would be along the lines of what mosque did the scumbag/s attend….then repatriate all members of said Mosque/s along with extended families and friends.
I suspect that anyone in a possible predicament like this would be inspired to get to grips with Islamofacists in their midst and deal with it quietly before things get out of hand.

What’s the alternative? Women and children maimed or killed by the hands of a bunch of lowlife scum supported by a silent majority of Muslim apologists, sorry I’d rather have a disgusted and resentful Muslim exodus than have to revisit another 7/7 incident. They’re disgusted and resentful most of the time anyway so it’s just a matter of adding the bit where they are given the right to be so, as they head off into the sunset waving a hearty cheerio!

Typo error, should read as follows

'supported by a silent majority of Muslims and their apologists.'

Oh really

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2007/4/24/220117.shtml?s=ic
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
Tuesday, April 24, 2007 10:00 p.m. EDT
Obama: My Muslim Ties Are a Strength


Now that is very intersting??

Why is the MSM not reporting on the French election??

Could it be the right had a bigger showing seams the French like short skirts on women not burkas!!

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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM SIGHT, WISDOM, STRENGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

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yes I think harry reid and nancy p aid the islamic terrorist and harry we have not lost this war and good people are dead today because of your desiar for power SHAME SHAME SHAME on you and those who suport you!!

Again Samuel Adams is apropos:

"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your consul, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains set lightly upon you; and may posterity forget ye were our countrymen."
Posted by: Kemaste at January 13, 2005 08:35 PM

funny. when Israelis plan for the inevititable, it's seen as an intentional provocation by the ususal Brit media suspects.

liberalism, "multiculturalism", socialism and left wing idealology have obviously failed in the UK.

there's only one option left for us in good old blighty.

but do we have the guts to do it and be free?

"There is much discussion in the article about how difficult the situation is, but almost nothing about what they intend to do in order to manage and reduce the threat".

Peter Clarke is a Deputy Assistant Commissioner of London's Metropolitan Police and head of the Anti-Terrorist Branch. He is a serving police officer, promoted to his position, not elected.. Much of what would be needed to manage and reduce the threat lies outside his duties, and is the hands of our politicians.
It seems to me that he is doing his best to keep the British public informed about the threat, while not compromising ongoing investigations, and the Reuters report does not include what may be the most significant part of his talk, as reported here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/25/nterr25.xml

"We must increase the flow of intelligence coming from communities. Almost all of our prosecutions have their origins in intelligence that came from overseas, the intelligence agencies or from technical means. Few have yet originated from what is sometimes called "community intelligence."

That is too say, British Muslims are volunteering information too infrequently. He has said this before, here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/05/njuly105.xml

"I firmly believe that there are other people who have knowledge of what lay behind the attack in July 2005 - knowledge that they have not shared with us, in fact I don’t only believe it, I know it for a fact."

That seemed to me to be a clear warning to the "community " that Muslims who have been witholding information will soon be arrested unless they step forward first.
I think that Clarke is in a very tough spot, with a huge burden of responsibility for keeping us safe, and in a contradictory relationshipwith other senior serving officers, whose public statements on anti-terror efforts have not always been wise or helpful, see for example:

http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2006/8/21/tarique-ghaffur-and-ali-dizaei-under-fire-over-profiling.html

Finally, having watched him on TV, i would not describe him as an inspirational speaker, but that is not his job either !

"almost nothing about what they intend to do in order to manage and reduce the threat."

A politician in Canada (who will remain nameless) said the following: "These people have no compunction about machine-gunning, mowing down little children. They have no compunction about decapitating or hanging elderly women. They have no compunction about the most vicious types of torture you can imagine." also: "...no understanding of the rule of law, no understanding of the need for an independent judiciary, certainly no understanding of the democratic process where people can choose their leadership" etc.

Absolutely correct. Only problem then, is why are we in Canada allowing them in by the droves?

I'd think it would be in the best interests of all nations belonging to 'Western Civilization' to assume attacks will continue.

I'd think it's best to assume that a jihadi is living within 10 miles of you if your in medium to large size city, or a suburb of a medium to large sized city anywhere in the English speaking world.

Some may think this alarmist, but I know for sure that potential jihadis in my area have been arming for jihad as FBI documents attest. I'm not in a 'hot spot' or on the border of west vs. islamic cultures or anything of that sort.

I think it's safe to assume that we'll have both organized attacks in large metro areas and plenty of examples of 'Sudden Jihadi Syndrome' by lone gunmen in every Western-aligned nation, whether gun control exists for civilians or not. That won't matter.

Prepare as best you can and stay alert. Report anything that doesn't feel right. I'm pretty certain that someday a killing will take place in my area as it did on Valentine's Day in Salt Lake City, UT.

Salt Lake City? Hard to believe but Yes. London? Of course. North Carolina? Yes. Florida? Yes. Kansas City? Hard to believe but yes.

Jihad is everywhere and the threat is within 10 miles of your home. Sound crazy? I used to think 'this would be the last place' but I've been proven wrong once again.

"In the 2005 London attacks and in other cases, police had spotted a trend for groups of British citizens to travel to Pakistan for training and then returning to Britain and building up their networks in preparation for launching attacks, he said."

It would seem that the solution is obvious.

British citizens should be warned that individuals who travel to Pakistan will not be allowed to reenter the country. They should get one-way tickets.

Next, no one from Pakistan who is not a government official will be allowed to enter Britain. Of course "innocents" will be hurt, but what other course is there? Until someone invents a machine that can look into your eyes and spot that you are not a terrorist in training or until "moderate" Muslims take control of their religion then they have to suffer for the actions of a few. It's not fair, but neither is life.

Granted, these are not guaranteed to stop all future acts of terrorism, but they are a first step. A journey of a thousand miles.....

"The al Qaeda networks are large, mobile and resilient, he {London Police's anti-terrorism cheif Peter Clarke] said.

'We have seen how al Qaeda has been able to survive a prolonged, multinational assault on its structures, personnel and logistics. It has certainly retained its ability to deliver centrally directed attacks here in the UK,' he said."
-- from the article above

But why should this be?

We, and the British are included in that "we," are "fighting them over there so we won't have to fight them over here."

But if the number of recruits to Al Qaeda and other fungible terrorist groups is endlessly replenishable from the reservoir of Islam, and if, further, "we already have to fight them over here" whatever happens "over there," then doesn't it make sense to let them to fight and attack each other, wherever possible, including "over there," and work to constrain them, already settled in by the millions, "over here"?

Or is that just too complicated for the Bush administration to figure out, or too embarrassing for it to recognize?

Quick! The Truth is over there -- run this way!

It is a combination of recognizing that preconceived assumptions are failing, embarrassment, inadequate intellect, but mostly lack of leadership. A re-post of an appropriate Rickover quote:

It is a human inclination to hope things will work out, despite evidence or doubt to the contrary. A successful manager must resist this temptation. This is particularly hard if one has invested much time and energy on a project and thus has come to feel possessive about it. Although it is not easy to admit what a person once thought correct now appears to be wrong, one must discipline himself to face the facts objectively and make the necessary changes — regardless of the consequences to himself. The man in charge must personally set the example in this respect. He must be able, in effect, to "kill his own child" if necessary and must require his subordinates to do likewise.

I often wonder if it would be better if officials did not publicize statements like "Islamist militants will strike again" because that alone has a "terrorizing" effect but does nothing to marginalize the threat. I also wonder if these militants publish threats as part of the tactic. Governments should work in the background. Maybe Bush was on to something when he said something like he wasn't really concerned about Bin Laden, publicly (we don't know what he is really up to).

"But.......then doesn't it make sense to let them to fight and attack each other, wherever possible, including "over there," and work to constrain them, already settled in by the millions, "over here"?"

by Hugh

Hasn't globalization (not so much of businesses but of human travel) made this inevitable?

We have allies "over there" who are threatened by insurgent groups. Many of these partnerships are based on our own vital interests, like oil. Not all of these allies are democracies. Most are some form of autocracy.

How do we constrain those who are "over here" without destroying our own society in the process? We are all constrained in our air travel because of the actions of less than two dozen people.

Are we supposed to have laws applying only to Muslims? Do we throw them out or let them know that any wrongdoing by even one member of their family will result in the immediate deportation of every member of their extended family? But what good would that do? We can't even deport illegal aliens. How do we remove American citizens who have done nothing wrong? We end up destroying ourselves in the process.

Is there a way to remove certain aspects of Islam from America? What can we learn from the Mormon experience? We ban polygamy even though some religions endorse it without being accused of violating religious freedoms.

Islam appears to be inimical to any form of government other than itself. What constraint would be effective in an open society? Must we, as a nation of free men, die by suicide?

Pull out of Iraq and the terrorists stay home and start bombing in their adopted nations.

Short sighted policy which the majority have advocated in ignorance. Terrorists do not just vanish. They are now coming hard at the west.

PMK wrote: "Islam appears to be inimical to any form of government other than itself. What constraint would be effective in an open society? Must we, as a nation of free men, die by suicide?"

--

We need courageous leadership. New leadership. Informed leadership.

We need new laws and amendments that at the very least marginalize and contain the domestic Islamic threats and at best deport them.

Personally, I want Islam outlawed entirely and for very good reasons, none of which I have yet had refuted by anyone. The pandering, the appeasing, the anarchist groups such as the ACLU be damned -- they will not halt progress in this regard.

I will say quite sincerely, that until such time as we do wake up in the USA and take the necessary legal steps to do away with the invaders of our nation in a non-violent way, the only alternative for the future will be civil war. And what utter fools and cowards we will all be if we allow that to become the only viable option in our Nation's future in order to preserve it.

Unfortunately, we already know from American history, that revolution and civil war have been necessary in order to preserve what we hold dearest and to sustain the Union. If Islamists become a dire threat to such a thing, then they will have a fight on their hands and I will definitely move further away from the pen and closer to the sword.

Lame Cherry

yes correct statement.

also hundreds, if not thousands of jihadists have first hand combat experience and terror training in iraq/afganistan. so these boys will be bringing the war back home. no one is mentioning this on the MSM.

hey, but maybe thats what europe needs, a good kick in the balls to wake up the sleeping dragon.

"Terrorists do not just vanish. They are now coming hard at the west."

Lame Cherry,

They've been coming hard since at least 1968.

Fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here is completely misguided, too.
We have a two-front war.

So what will it take for our leaders to STOP THEM FROM COMING? They won't listen to the American people.

“I often wonder if it would be better if officials did not publicize statements like "Islamist militants will strike again" because that alone has a "terrorizing" effect but does nothing to marginalize the threat”

Am I too cynical, or do the authorities say things like this when they think a big attack is imminent, so that when it happens they can say “We did warn you”? Better be extra “vigilant”, I suppose (whatever that means – calling the police whenever you see an “Asian” with a rucksack? But we are never told how to be vigilant. When the IRA was letting bombs off in London pubs, you looked for “suspicious packages” left lying around, but even the IRA didn’t go in for suicide bombing. They loved (their own) life too much, like all us decadent Westerners.)

JFGR:

The authorities are just trying to cover their behinds. If Bush ever got rid of the warning system and an attack occurred then the same people who today accuse him of exaggerating the threats would accuse him of "dropping our guard".

Officials can't win this game.

9/11 should be all the warning we need. If people still don't get the threat we're under then they need to read JW and Daniel Pipes.

Do you realize a public school is being set up in NYC that will teach in Arabic and will immerse its students in the Arab and Muslim culture? Under the guise of training a new generation of Arabic speakers, of course.

How about a bloodless headshot right between "Allahs" eyes?

Good, now that I've got your attention: deductive reasoning easily concludes that the perpetuation of Islamic violence is based upon the unchallenged principle that Allah exists. This is the source, no need to dance around the obvious 10 ton gorilla in the room.

Whom here in their right minds respect the beliefs of a Mayan (blood sacrifice) priest? Does anyone believe in the twelve gods of Olympus exist? Pick any other god, fairy or unicorn and apply the same scrutiny. Why exactly should we respect the beliefs of individuals who murder for Allah?

Belief that Allah is guiding Muslims needs to be challenged until this ancient deity of Muslim imagination is ruled out by reason, scientific evidence and common sense.

I'll throw down the "common sense" gauntlet, it's not as if Islamic fundamentalists aren't asking for it. Allah is either unwilling to prevent evil, unable to prevent evil....or is evil. This "god" is either the creator of evil and lets it continue to color this world or he is not. Allah is either creator and controller of everything or he is not - there is no gray area in the Qur'an regarding this. If so, this god is just as unworthy of rational recognition as Tezcatlipoca...the Aztec god of misery. Hmm, separated at birth maybe?

If people are unwilling to challenge the existence of "Allah" and thus slap down Islamic jihad, expect more of the same. I see nothing short of a world slowly but collectively rejecting the existence of this imaginary being and his bordello in the sky...and allow this pestilential "god" to bleed out of humankinds veins.

Here's a trick question: How does a Greek terrorist detonate a nuclear weapon if he no longer feels the power of Zeus?

Trick answer: There is no such thing as a Zeusian terrorist because everybody knows Zeus is imaginary.

, "we already have to fight them over here" whatever happens "over there,"

Hugh the answer is very very easy, we fight them where ever they maybe. over there, over here, it does not matter where...

It is almost certainly a safe assumption that everyplace that is non-islamic or "kaffir" is fair game for jihadist attacks.

Blood will tell. Beware.

England invited in the Muslim wind, and will now have to suffer the jihad whirlwind.

As America has, to a smaller extent, so far.

But the PQC (political quisling class) in American is determined to allow in more Mohammedan infil-traitors. (Saudi "students", Iraqi "refugees", etc.)

I almost wish Bush had: A) been wrong about the WMD's in Iraq, and: B) had "foolishly" decided to ignore them, and: C) they had been used to strike a U.S. city and killed a hundred thousand or even a million people, -because then we could fight this WAR AGAINST iSLAMOFASCISM openly, and seriously, and TO WIN.

(Sometimes it appears that doing the "wrong" thing in the short term can be the best thing for the true war aim in the long run.)

London police counter-terror chief: "Sensible assumption" jihadists will strike again in U.K.

No kidding. Who would have guessed? What a bold statement a HALF DECADE after 9-11, three years after 3-11 and two years after 7-7.

What insight! What acumen! What brain power!

Can I get you a banana and an fbi application?

We wouldn't have to "fight the over there" if we didn't allow them "over here".

Fight dhimmitude and visit http://www.masada1234.blogspot.com

“The authorities are just trying to cover their behinds. If Bush ever got rid of the warning system and an attack occurred then the same people who today accuse him of exaggerating the threats would accuse him of "dropping our guard".

Officials can't win this game.”

PMK, I think you’re right. Officialdom is having to perform an elaborate dance because people are no longer deemed capable of understanding the truth, and always leap to blame the authorities for not protecting them properly. Yet when they’re more robust the public, or rather the media, start tut-tutting about human rights. The authorities can’t win, and it’s politicians who have created the nanny state in large part. Let’s not be too hard on the police – they have to work under almost impossible constraints imposed by society, or rather its leaders, the politicians.

Firstly, we should not be to hard on our police over this. They are all that stands between this scum and civil war. Islamists want to start civil war in order to overthrow OUR government and impose sharia hell here in the UK. I hope they catch as many of these maniacs as possible, preferably shooting them stone dead when they resist arrest.

I fully agree with Jihadtobejoking.
We should start repatriating this scum anyway, starting with all of them receiving any form of benefit or in council housing.
We have to stop being the suckers of the Western World. Just because we are a civilised country does not mean that we should extend the benefits of our country to all who come here. British benefit money should be for British people who have earned a right to it, not some bunch of freeloader immigrant scum, who hate us and would happily kill us all!!!

I sincerely hope that the BNP makes big gains in all big cities with large immigrant populations, and sends the message from all true Brits, that your free ride is over!! No more council subsidised mosques (in fact no mosques at all, close them all down). An end to translation services in government departments, no speakey English? tough luck pal! go learn or go home!

I am sick of the PC liberal left and their sanitised view of "an ideal world" look at the truth, it does not work! The people you are being so nice to are trying to kill you. I sincerely hope for the sake of the French that they do not vote for the stupid socialist woman, she will be wearing a veil in no time, and her country will be in ruins.

We civilised people must accept some facts we don't like. In order to beat this Islamic threat, we will have to become much nastier, much more aggressive and above all much more patriotic to our own countries and the flags that represent them. If we don't Islam will destroy everything we love and believe in, our freedoms, our cultures, our sports, our music, our style of dress. It will replace all these with a medieval vision of hell (that's if they even let us live at all). This is the countdown to WW3, Islam is the enemy. A sensible military strategist would destroy them outright before they become a very serious threat.
They will become that threat when they kill or overthrow Mush and get hold of Pakistan's nukes ------------- Watch this space.

I have an idea you may like british and australian type of people, arm you local citizens, o thats right you voted that out some years ago, sorry i forgot, well i gotta go buy some more breakfree!!!!

"London police counter-terror chief: "Sensible assumption" jihadists will strike again in U.K."

"Sensible assumption" immigration won't stop it.

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