Because there are just so many Muslim criminals in Dutch prisons. "Compass in cell shows Muslims the East," from Expatica, with thanks to Fjordman:
AMSTERDAM – Islamic arrestees who are being held at the Segbroek police station in The Hague have a compass in their cell. This way they can always check which way is east so that they know which direction to face when praying. A spokesperson for the police confirmed this on Thursday after a report in the AD.The compass is painted on the ceiling of the cells. An employee at the Segbroek station recently saw the compass on the ceiling of cells at another police station. He thought it was such a good idea that he proposed providing the compass on the ceilings of cells at his police station as well.
If Islam was so peaceful and law bidding, why would a devote Muslim be in prison?
now, can we give the Muslims buckets to use in western urinals.. with the buckets the Muslims can urinate in any direction that pleases them...
"If Islam was so peaceful and law bidding, why would a devote Muslim be in prison?
Posted by: Elric66"
...Muslims are discovering, it is safer to be a Muslim in prison, than to be a Muslim on the street with other Muslims....
....Muslims are killing other Muslims so fast these days...
Assalamau Laikum all,
East is east as they say...all roads lead to the east, the spirit leads to the east.
We are in this a small part of the way....only the end result matters.
And you will find that in Eurabia and the ISA there will be giant elctronic arrows lit up to show east.
Giant speakers will speak the azhan....proud muslims will do the assura at ground zero....this we will see near the ned game.
Your ramblings will be useless at that time...enjoy this while you can...Allah's chosen have always prayed...and that is not going to change in the ISA is it.
...Muslims are discovering, it is safer to be a Muslim in prison, than to be a Muslim on the street with other Muslims....
....Muslims are killing other Muslims so fast these days...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 12, 2007 08:00 AM
Or perhaps they commit crimes so they can be fulltime missionaries in Dutch prisons. :-)
Muslims find it easier to find converts in prison than on the streets....Prisoners tend to have lower iQs and are generally of the "follower type" of personality....a perfect fit to follow Islam...
"proud muslims will do the assura at ground zero..."
....this could be true...Muslims may see ground zero , one day....
Prophet's face blurred in French textbook
PARIS, April 6, 2007 (AFP) - A French publisher said Thursday it had blurred the face of the Prophet Mohammed in painting reproduced in a history textbook after teachers warned it could spark protests by Muslim students.
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=25&story_id=38521
Whats disturbing even more than the blurring is thats t AFP refers to Mo as a Prophet.
Muslims find it easier to find converts in prison than on the streets....Prisoners tend to have lower iQs and are generally of the "follower type" of personality....a perfect fit to follow Islam...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 12, 2007 08:13 AM
Converts are usually the worse for they must have some serious mental issues if they want to convert to Islam.
"Converts are usually the worse for they must have some serious mental issues"
...on the contrary, this is what makes them great Islamic converts....
"Converts are usually the worse for they must have some serious mental issues"
...on the contrary, this is what makes them great Islamic converts....
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 12, 2007 08:27 AM
I meant worse for Western culture. :-) For Islam, they make the best soldiers.
This is getting ridiculous and out of hand. Every time I come here, I'm more and more depressed.
This is getting ridiculous and out of hand. Every time I come here, I'm more and more depressed.
Posted by: Thereligionofdeath at April 12, 2007 08:54 AM
I feel the same way. Those in power insist on selling us down the river.
Don't be depressed. These little things will eventually grow to the point where the Infidel just get seriously infuriated and produce a change in politics, it'll take a while perhaps but it's coming.
Don't be depressed. These little things will eventually grow to the point where the Infidel just get seriously infuriated and produce a change in politics, it'll take a while perhaps but it's coming.
Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at April 12, 2007 09:07 AM
Honestly, what will it take for the West to get infuriated with Islam?
Shortly, we will be hearing from the Dutch/Euro Left, telling us how this is entirely symptomatic of a rising tide of Islamophobia, how what we need are 'sensitivity' classes for the police, the judiciary, well, just about everybody.
Just generally, what the hell happened to the idea of prison being punishment?
And also - don't the damn cells have windows?
Well, perhaps a solution to the increasing number of Muslim criminals would be the introduction of prisons built alongside the olfactory delights of pig farms. The windows of course would be open 24/7.
Well, perhaps a solution to the increasing number of Muslim criminals would be the introduction of prisons built alongside the olfactory delights of pig farms. The windows of course would be open 24/7.
Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at April 12, 2007 09:32 AM
LOL I bet they would think twice about committing a crime.
"The only gracious way to accept an insult is to ignore it. If you can’t top it, laugh at it. If you can’t laugh at it, it’s probably deserved"
An old Islamic saying....(NOT)
Why not paint them so as to indicate the wrong direction? Why not make the fulfillment of Muslim duties more difficult rather than easy? Why be so accommodating? Why not let the inabiity to correctly orient oneself be part of the punishment for prisoners, and part of the facts of daily life in the Bilad al-kufr that Muslims will just have to endure, or perhaps not endure by moving back to the vast swaths of territory already safely part of Dar al-Islam?
naseem,
have you always been a paedophile?
East, you say?
According to my map, from the Netherlands, Mecca is SSE. Directly East of there is...
Gee, I had no idea that the Muslims considered MOSCOW a holy city!
Mosque-OW?
This is simply the natural progression of things. The West has pampered its infidel prisoners for so long that it was just a matter of time before Muslim prisoners got some goodies too. Shame again on the West for making such absurdities possible.
Ban on hate books
One of the books deemed acceptable under the existing Classification Act, The Criminal West by Omar Hassan, depicts Australian police as rapists.
"(Australia is) a country with a police force that, instead of providing protection, the police themselves pick up young girls from the streets around the city area and rape them inside police stations, and pick up young boys and bash them up to death inside police cells," Hassan wrote
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,21547940-662,00.html
The number of Islamic converts coming from the prison system has led me to wonder several times before if the conversion really indicates a change in internal disposition, or whether it might rather mean a channeling of the criminal's disposition, providing an outlet and approval based upon the example of Mohammed and his followers.
If so, why should this be encouraged in prison? Why aren't the values taught by chaplains scrutinized? One might declare that their religious rights would be violated. Religious freedom is indeed defended in the West, if not elsewhere, but no faith calling itself a religion has legitimacy if it is based in whole or part upon the violation of the rights of those outside of its circle.
If the da'wa practiced in the prison systems encourages an Islam that proclaims the supremacy of Islam, the necessity of establishing Islam as the dominant religion as well as the necessity of overturning civil law in favor of sharia, well then there is serious reason for concern. There is serious reason to restrict the access of those who would encourgae convicts not to mend their ways, but to turn their heads, their violence, their antipathy, against the society that they have wronged, all under the banner of Mohammed's religion.
Paint those compasses over. Let the convicts think on their crimes and repent. Their first penance could be to find out the right direction to pray.
"The number of Islamic converts coming from the prison system has led me to wonder several times before if the conversion...might rather mean a channeling of the criminal's disposition, providing an outlet and approval based upon the example of Mohammed and his followers."
-- from a posting above
Undoubtedly.
Ouch. Looks like the DhimmiWatch gremlins ate my last posting. I had a great question to Naseem, while she's still online: When you're in North America, do you stand on your head at a 70 degree inclination, facing SSW so that you point to Mecca? (If you pray horizontally your prayers will miss Mecca -- instead they will spray out into space as the Earth Spins around in its orbit.) Maybe adopting a yoga position at the same time would improve the sanctity of the act?
I also had some serious comments along these lines for her, but I'm not going to type them all out again. Suffice it to say that this ritualized, geo-centric prayer is very hard to distinguish from idolatry. Yes, from an empirical point of view, it appears that the Muslims are, themselves, Mushirkoons. Lucky for you the Jews and Christians are not commanded by YHWH to murder the idolaters wherever we find them.
"(Australia is) a country with a police force that, instead of providing protection, the police themselves pick up young girls from the streets around the city area and rape them inside police stations, and pick up young boys and bash them up to death inside police cells," Hassan wrote.
What is it with muslims, always projecting their own vile deeds onto others ?
Good for Australia to pass laws banning material which promotes terrorism and jihad.
Too bad they don't put up a flag in the direction that mecca is located with a pic of a pig on it and when the prisoners go out for their recess, they could see the flag flying in the same direction that they are praying. (yeah, I would probably make a bad wardon, sort of the kind that would like to remind them what kind of ilk end up in prisons. I probably would have to have guards around me if I ventured out of the prison confines.)
Not only should the compasses point towards the wrong direction - they should also make sure that the toilets face Mecca.
Also, when they say East, are they simply being imprecise? After all, Mecca is way South-East of the Netherlands - if one faces East, one could be facing Moscow. As for Naseem's inane comment above for all roads leading to the East, even with her flat earth, a road in Lahore or Dhahran that runs East doesn't run towards Mecca. (Oh, and Naseem, when religious Hindus wake up in the morning and pray towards the Sunrise, guess which way their butts face - even with Allah's flat earth theory)
With all these Muslim criminals everywhere, why not make Saudi Arabia the world's Muslim penal colony (like Australia once was for the Brits and French Guinea was for the French)? And instead of contracting our ports to Dubai, we could contract out all our Muslim criminals to Saudi Arabia. That way, not only would they get the exact Qibla, but also, the wonderful muttawa would ensure that they pray at least 5 times a day, and that each and every Islamic requirement from them is fulfilled.
How about it, Holland? And all the West?
Only a matter of time before a second arrow pointing to "Al Quds" will have to be added as well.
From WaPo comments:
Strained Army Extends Tours To 15 Months
quote Iraq, a final frontier. These are the surges of of the Bush Administration on behalf of the American Enterprise Institute and AIPAC. Their five-year mission: to exploit strange new coalitions, to seek out and destroy Muslim life and Muslim civilisations, to boldly go where no Republican has gone before.
By H5N1 | Apr 11, 2007 5:34:15 PM end quote.
However, the reality is that we are the final frontier of Muslim immigration which is in the process of ending our civilization, including liberalism, this century. Sharia is already being applied by European courts in some cases.
Econ posts on immigration deleted from UK Guardian Comment is Free:
Re: Catherine Johnson “Out on the streets, the kids are scared too”
The Dutch.. and not only the Dutch.. need to paint a compass on their streets.. showing the way.. OUT!
...Muslims are killing other Muslims so fast these days...
Posted by: exsgtbrown
Doesn't seem the affect their replacement levels.
Giant speakers will speak the azhan....proud muslims will do the assura at ground zero....this we will see near the ned game.
[...]
Posted by: Naseem
They should do so this Fourth of July.. Southeast corner of the WTC site. 3 PM. BE there. Or be nowhere.
They'll be welcome to a glorious display of the "Koran N Bacon" action and performance artwork.
All the Dutch need to do is paint a black arrow on the wall, pointing downward.
To show them the way to hell.
Compasses could be used as weapons when broken apart.
As they say in Dutch:
Naieve dwazen.
(Gullible fools.)
Actually, in Guantanamo Bay, Islamic terrorists learn the direction of meca because the soldiers painted an arrow towards it on the floor 1250miles under it.
They did it as a reminder to these muslims that they will never set foot near meca. It was more of a taunt than anything. A little different than eurabia.
The Muslims apparently have to pray on a horizontal plane,, I prefer to pray on a vertical plane....
"Doesn't seem the affect their replacement levels.
Posted by: Allahfanculo "
.....that is because their birth rate exceeds the death rate...and the first thing they teach their young children is how to hate....
Hate is the first thing taught, the second thing taught, and hate is hammered into the childs head until they leave home or they die....
As they say in Dutch:
Naieve dwazen.
(Gullible fools.)
Posted by: profitsbeard
I have something else for them in Dutch:
Gottverdammene Kloetsacks!
(can't be translated before polite company)
PS. I like all the funny band names that relate to the cult of Death.
One poster had the winner so far: "megadeath"
Something about those islamic moshpits.. moskpits...
They should get into Death Metal instead of islam.
At least they won't have to perform all these bizarre rituals all day. Metal music truly welcomes all - who can stand it. :-)
"Gottverdammene Kloetsacks!"
Believe me, that's not Dutch. It's German.
For your own safety don't say this in Holland, especially during a soccer game ;-)
Something more serious. The mayor of Amsterdam (Job Cohen, yes he is Jewish) has said that the Moslim Brotherhood is not dangerous organisation. So he will stay on speaking terms with a mosque with liasions with the Moslim Brotherhood.
Serious enough for some background and discussion in a separate topic it seems.
Some dhimmis here need an education on Islam. Any takers?
http://forums.tennessean.com/viewtopic.php?p=163179#163179
These guys come from such an advanced society that they cannot tell which direction is which.
How will they ever be the rulers of the world?
Off subject....Did you see at LGF that the Democrats have invited the Muslim Brotherhood from Egypt to come and speak in/at/and to our U.S. Congress?
I want to know, How in the HELL do we stop that? The citizens should not allow this. We had a couple of Republicans recently that voiced their concern over CAIR having a conference room. This even worst.
"This even worst.
Posted by: alaskan1000"
....does the state of Alaska still have homesteading programs for northern alaska for those brave enough to live there?....
After all these years, why do we continue to misplace hope in 'moderate' anything?
The world is becoming more and more immoderate every day and will continue to do so until we knock the MoFoes on their collectivist asses.
I've come to the conclusion that the way to take away their will to jihad is this: prove the whole thing is not 'protected by Allah'. Show that Allah can't keep any promises either.
Disprove the whole thing by force.
This is what must be done to end it. I'm not talking about genocide or nukes or anything of that sort. It's not necessary or desirable.
What I'm saying is outlandishly medieval. This: take them at their word and don't dismiss all the ritual and superstition as backward. Take it serious. Then go occupy the two holy sites. Destroy all who come to retake the two holy sites. Destroy the sites.
Destroy the system by destroying the fetish-focus physically and the rest of the system will follow. Destroying Islam as a belief system would be simple because of the serious vulnerability it has in assigning such importance to a geographic coordinate and a big cube-shaped rock. If this thing is gone a person can't be a Muslim no matter what they do. The stranglehold the rest of the system and beliefs will die quickly when the locus becomes an abcess.
"....proud muslims will do the assura at ground zero...."
Posted by: Nauseem
My, my, a peaceful Ahmadi praising matam like a Shi'a! (Does your new boyfriend Abdullah approve? Careful, he may put you to beds apart or scourge you.)
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exsgtbrown.....yes, you can still homestead in Alaska.
Moving and giving up ground will only buy time. What you would be trying to get away from is already here too.
We all need to repeat the words 'line in the sand'.
Off subject....Did you see at LGF that the Democrats have invited the Muslim Brotherhood from Egypt to come and speak in/at/and to our U.S. Congress?
Posted by: alaskan1000 at April 12, 2007 04:11 PM
Better watch it. You tell them we are doomed they will call you a moby.
A_Plague_on_Both_Houses :
This is what I have been saying for years. Islam is too brittle and too primitive to endure a total humiliation. Once the two horrid fetishes of Mecca and Medina are placed under infidel’s boot without Allah’s unleashing a super apocalypse the disappointed Moslems will have to conclude that allah is a hoax and the whole mohammedan cult will collapse in no time. Let's have a party as soon as possible!
"Gottverdammene Kloetsacks!"
Believe me, that's not Dutch. It's German.
For your own safety don't say this in Holland, especially during a soccer game ;-)
Can I say it in a mosk?
Do they have any of these compasses at the airports in the Netherlands? That's where they should be.
Cairo: Being naked during Sex annuls marriage:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/13/cairo-being-naked-during-sex-annuls-marriage/
Yes, and eating pork makes you homosexual, true story:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/12/ahmadiyya-sect-in-germany-eating-pork-makes-you-homosexual/
Some of these Muslims are in prison unlawful because of a terror witch-hunt but the majority are in for "corruption of the soul"...A result of a shariah absent society, where the devil tempts these youths to sins...
The Heritage Foundation has a study out quantifying the fiscal impact of low-skill households:
On average, low-skill households received $32,138 per household in immediate government benefits and services in FY 2004, including direct benefits, means-tested benefits, education, and population-based services. Total benefits rose to $43,084 if public goods and the cost of interest and other financial obligations are added.
In contrast, low-skill households paid only $9,689 in taxes. Thus, low-skill households received at least three dollars in benefits and services for each dollar in taxes paid. If the costs of public goods and past financial obligations are added, the ratio rises to four to one.
...the average lifetime costs to the taxpayer will be $1.1 million for each low-skill household, net of any taxes paid. If the costs of interest and other financial obligations are added, the average lifetime cost rises to $1.3 million per household.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/sr12.cfm
I’ve spent a few years in the construction industry in the Southwest. Regardless of your thoughts on Hispanic immigration, the guys are hard-workers and generally good people.
There should be another study done on low-skill Muslim households. Consider security costs, larger families, and lower productivity. I bet the cost to the taxpayer for a Muslim taxi driver’s household is in the millions.
Things that don't pencil out financially, eventually end.
Sins being anything Abdullah is not fond of, like sodomy (see above).
Some of these Muslims are in prison unlawful because of a terror witch-hunt but the majority are in for "corruption of the soul"...A result of a shariah absent society, where the devil tempts these youths to sins...
Posted by: Abdullah at April 12, 2007 10:24 PM
Oh the poor dears! Perhaps we should head down the road of dimmihood a little bit and accept a miniscule amount of your illustrious sharia whotsits by lobbing off a few bits of these corrupted individuals, make them feel a bit more at home?
Sounds reasonable enough.
Some of these Muslims are in prison unlawful because of a terror witch-hunt but the majority are in for "corruption of the soul"...A result of a shariah absent society, where the devil tempts these youths to sins...
Posted by: Abdullah at April 12, 2007 10:24 PM
Muslims should remain in their respective islamic hellholes where shariah is practiced, then they won't stray from the righteous path and wind up in kafir prisons. Islam engenders corrupt souls and spawns demons that belong in hell, not in Western countries. Islam should be banned from all Western countries immediately and all muslims should be removed, forcibly if necessary. They could then happily live under islamic law and we would be spared the distasteful and bloody job of removing the islamic fifth column from our societies.
Jihad might be a perverted islamic anomaly, but infidels are capable of getting as low down and nasty as the most savage muslim. You call it islamic supremacy as decreed by the satanic qur'an; we call it self-defense and self-preservation. We'll see who has the most determination to prevail, and I'm betting it won't be the muslim gorillas. Go beat your chest.
Honestly, what will it take for the West to get infuriated with Islam?
Posted by: Elric66
I've been pissed off since my early teens.. I always knew something about them just wasn't right.
A few years later they had Kakamamie on TV from Paris.. giving interviews to our media.. insulting and cursing France and German and England and of course the "Great Satan".
I still can't belive he never had an "accident" then!
I still have a button my dad brought back from Michigan in 79 I think the button read: NUKE IRAN!
I need to find it and wear it.
Who's going to be at the WTC July Fourth? I'll do an evite thingie if some of you will really come.
I am a member of the Religion of DADA.
I demand UPSIDE DOWN urinals!
allahfanculo-
I think the more exact Dutch would be:
God verdomde klootzaken!
(God-damned [literally: "testicle pouches"]!)
While in the mosque, the preferable phrase would be:
Geiteneukers!
The late, lamented Theo Van Gogh's favorite idiom.
(Based on the inter-species "religious" teachings of the dirt-napping Ayatollah Khomeiniac.)
It is "Godverdomme klootzakken". A "zak" is an ashole. "Zaak" means business.
On topic. News today is that in some cells the West and the East have been reversed!
Silent resistance of some policemen? Who knows. At least some moslims will burn in hell.
This morning the newspapers in the Netherlands tell me that they made a mistake.
In the mentioned Segbroek police station they have painted the compass on the cieling. In other prisons they have the direction to Mecca elswhere (on the wall?)
Now it seems that they have made a mistake with painting and the direction is 180 degrees wrong. So they prayed with their ass to Mecca.
http://www.geenstijl.nl/mt/archieven/images/telvaagp1.jpg
(dutch)They have not found the culprit. Possible it is a low trick from the Mossad?
The party PVV has asked questions in Parlament:
http://www.geertwilders.nl/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=787&Itemid=1
(in Dutch)
"3. Deelt u mijn mening dat deze zotheid niet aanvaardbaar is?" Translates als 'Are you also of thee opinion that this madness is not acceptable?'
"Some of these Muslims are in prison unlawful because of a terror witch-hunt but the majority are in for "corruption of the soul"...A result of a shariah absent society, where the devil tempts these youths to sins...
Posted by: Abdullah"
...dolt!...people in prison are there because they assaulted someone, robbed someone, killed someone, destroyed someones property, or were otherwise disobeying the laws of the land....
....While Muslims may consider these to be admirable traits...the westerners do not....
oops, I left the one of the big reasons people are in prison for....RAPE....
Posted by: Allahfanculo at April 13, 2007 12:49 AM
I dont think just being mad will not be enough. We really are in an uphill battle. Check out these comments by posters replying to the bacon Qur'an event. These people really believe Islam is peaceful and we are at fault for Muslims being pissed off. Not only do we have to convince Islam to change its ways, we have to also convince our own society that Islam isnt a peaceful religion.
http://forums.tennessean.com/viewtopic.php?p=163869#163869
Here is a quote from that News message board
This war, the unending war on terror has evolved as a result of people who are sick and tired of folks like us trying to dominate and supress their societies. We build military bases in their countries, we support an oppressive Israeli occupation in continued defiance of UN and Geneva Conventions, we support oppressive regimes who hold their people down even as they rape their countries resources. We decide who runs their governments and keep those people in power.
http://forums.tennessean.com/viewtopic.php?p=163878#163878
....just why were they in prison?......
....assault? Murder? Arson? Vandalism? Extortion? Robbery? Rape? .......Qualities old MO would accept...
....just why were they in prison?......
....assault? Murder? Arson? Vandalism? Extortion? Robbery? Rape? .......Qualities old MO would accept...
Posted by: exsgtbrown at April 13, 2007 08:46 AM
SO they are in prison for their religious beliefs? :-)
yep
Some of these Muslims are in prison unlawful because of a terror witch-hunt but the majority are in for "corruption of the soul"...A result of a shariah absent society, where the devil tempts these youths to sins...
Posted by: Abdullah
I'll bet the Magic Kingdom (KSA) would be the perfect place for all moslems now in the decadent West. Planes leave everyday, how about it?
Article should've been titled:
Compass in Cell shows 'em Hell.
Geiteneukers!
I LOVE it!
If I were a prison guard I'd wear one of these:
http://www.buzzworks.nl/?page=product&cat_id=1&id=416
The Dutch language is beginning to grow on me.. :-)
islamische Klootzakers!
Oh and..
oops, I left the one of the big reasons people are in prison for....RAPE....
Posted by: exsgtbrown
See, where Abby comes from mentally rape is NOT a reason to be in prison. So yes, these MoFoes are in jail for their "religious" convictions.
They should put it on the ceiling at SAC {Strategic Air Command} so they always know which way to launch their missiles!
Posted by: fightback
Let the MoFoes be reminded.. all it takes is ONE realy ticked-off pilot to redirect one of his missiles to blow up the black rock they worship.
Let it be known to the MoFoes that all it takes is ONE *disgrunteled* Western "youth" with time on his hands.. afraid to go out in his own country at night.. one who's been beaten up and abused by a horde of Koranimals..
All it takes is ONE such youth with a bit of a brain.. Germans are pretty good engineers.. but I am sure others in Europe are also equal to the task..
ALL it takes is ONE amonst us..
I'll let your imagination [of which the MoFoes have so preciously little] paint the picture.
What exactly are Muslums doing in the Netherlands? Why don't they return to their home country?