OIC accuses West of anti-Muslim bias

And no one will be beheaded.

Instead, how about a blizzard of cartoons Fed-Exed to old In-SANE-O-glue at the OIC.

Well, maybe not---We wouldnt want his widdle feelings hurt, now would we!

The media must dispel the myth that terrorism and Islam are identical concepts,"

He is right about that. Terrorism is a tactic, while Islam is a fiat religion. They are not identical concepts, but they are married. Entertwined in a deadly Allahic dance. They have been dancing so long that the dance and the dancer are one. It's hard to tell where one leaves off and the other begins.
Quran 8:12 has Allah admitting he is a terrorist 'I shall terrorise the infidels'...Islam is based on Allah...it is Allah. So while Islam is not exactly identical to terrorism, they are close enough for government work.

"OIC accuses West of anti-Muslim bias"

Why is it that we in the West remain so gutless in answering charges like this?

It wouldn't take much to draw up a list of severe restrictions suffered by Christians in Islamic countries, and send the list to the OIC telling them to clean up their own act before leveling charges against the West of bias against Muslims.

My God, you can't even be a citizen of Saudi Arabia and a Christian at the same time, and you can be executed if you convert from Islam.

The list could be miles long, and perfectly proveable by the official laws of most Muslim countries.

So why do we let them get away with it?

By not answering these charges directly with charges of our own, they assume that there's nothing wrong with their own muderous policies towards others, and that we even approve of what they're doing.

And if they answer that it's a matter of their religious faith, we should be willing to say to them that we don't believe in their faith, we believe in human rights, and if they don't believe in human rights, they should keep their mouths shut about bias. Period.

Well just terrific, victimhood from a 159 member group that holds more sway than any other group over international human rights groups and basically controls the UN, hell, basically IS the UN. And no matter how much we treat ideological enemies like Egypt, Pakiland, Malaysia, Northern Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Libya as somehow **allies** and never call them out for their treatment of racial and ethnic minorities. And all we do with Iran is let them know verbally how much we are against them for being a main terror sponsor.

Definitely about time we let all jihad-exporting leaderships what "anti-muslim bias" really means.

Swami sez--"Entertwined in a deadly Allahic dance".

They dervishly whirled until their brains are permanetly scrambled!

"OIC accuses West of anti-Muslim bias"

And proud of it!

"OIC accuses West of anti-Muslim bias"

Why is it that we in the West remain so gutless in answering charges like this?

It wouldn't take much to draw up a list of severe restrictions suffered by Christians in Islamic countries, and send the list to the OIC telling them to clean up their own act before leveling charges against the West of bias against Muslims.

My God, you can't even be a citizen of Saudi Arabia and a Christian at the same time, and you can be executed if you convert from Islam.

The list could be miles long, and perfectly proveable by the official laws of most Muslim countries.

So why do we let them get away with it?

We should send a delegation of men who are as tough as nails, and don't mince words, to the OIC conference with a list of crimes they commit routinely against other faiths, and invite them to produce a similiar list of crimes commited by the West against Muslims living in Western nations.

By not answering these charges directly with charges of our own, they assume that there's nothing wrong with their own muderous policies towards others, and that we even approve of what they're doing.

And if they answer that it's a matter of their religious faith, we should be willing to say to them that we don't believe in their faith, we believe in human rights, and if they don't believe in human rights, they should keep their mouths shut about bias. Period.

Posted by: rational at April 27, 2007 01:34 AM

The cartoons were "the 9/11 of the Islamic world"? So, if a western newspaper publishes a handful of cartoons, that is an act equivalent to the murder of 3,000 innocent people???
Gawd, these arrogant musulmen bastards make me wanna puke.......

Rational
Couldn't agree more. West is deafening in its silence to protest killings,torture and persecution of Non Muslims in Islamic countries.
Only Angela Merkel spoke up about recent torture & murder of three Christian Publishers in Turkey.
Did we hear a dickeybird about it from Bush or Blair? Nah. As for Christians such as Dhmmi Williams,he is more than happy to abandon his flock to Islamic wolves.

I was indifferent to Islam until it decided to threaten my freedom and existence and kill my neighbors.

Since reading their playbook of international terrorism (AKA: KORAN), I'm willing to let them be as crazy as they want.

But only in their own countries.

The move against us, they suffer the consequences.

Oh, man...just more regurgitative Taqqiyah.
Forget the fact we don't believe a word they say because of their own words and actions have demonstrated clear and unmistakable hatred for us, what gets me is they had to go to such lengths to make a statement this overkilled.
Unless we submit, we're biased.
This crap is older than we are.
Same old, same old.

C'mon folks...let's beat this dead horse one...more...time!

*yawn*

Rational, you're absolutely right, the western media is actually biased in their favour but there's no point trying to tell them that. The muslim mind lacks a self-reflective faculty. Another thing we need to watch out for is arabs getting ownership of the media. These conferences of theirs are plot hatching exercises.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS HOW CAN THEY SAY SUCH A THING We all know it is the west that has saved more mulsum around the world maybe this is the kettle calling us black?

After all who is doing all that killing in the Sudan OH yea mulsums killing other mulsums NO I just don't understand how they could come to such a conclusion???

April 27, 2007

Well the Hollywood and democrats have done such a good job improving relations around the world we can start with Richard geer WOW WHAT HE DID FOR INDIA AND US RELATION??

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,479145,00.html
TURKEY SIDESTEPS SECULARISM DEBATE
04/24/2007
Many in Turkey had opposed an Erdogan presidency due to the prime minister's alleged Islamic leanings. Some 300,000 took to the streets earlier this month to oppose Erdogan, and the Turkish army, which traditionally sees itself as the protector of the secularism introduced by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk soon after the 1923 founding of modern Turkey, even issued a subtle warning against an Erdogan presidency.

YES TO CUT FUNDING FOR THE WAR ON ISLAMIC TERRORIST HAVE AN EFFECT?

But even as the decision shows the AK Party's willingness to avoid a confrontation over an Erdogan candidacy, Gül embodies many of the same doubts. Like Erdogan's wife, Gül's wife Hayrunisa wears a headscarf and secularists are opposed to the idea of Islamic attire in the presidential palace. Head scarves have been banned in public offices and on university campuses since Atatürk's Western-style reforms in the 1930s

YES WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE SEE YOU DON’T HAVE THE WILL TO STAND UP?

AND ALL JUST IN 4 MO’S TOO?

BUT
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/27/america/27abe.php
Turning Bush-Abe alliance into friendship
By Sheryl Gay Stolberg
Published: April 26, 2007
WASHINGTON: When they met in Vietnam last November, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe of Japan presented President George W. Bush with a little gift: a photograph of their grandfathers, playing golf on a course outside Washington with President Dwight D. Eisenhower. After lunch and a garden stroll, Bush said, "I told the prime minister he needs to get over to the United States quickly."
On Thursday, Abe took the president up on his offer, arriving in Washington with his wife, Akie, for a two-day stay that is as much about fostering personal ties as diplomatic ones

IF YOU CUT OUT THE LIB REMARKS TRYING TO CAUSE TROUBLE YOU SEE THE LIBS ARE THE PROBLEM REMEMBER GEER AND THE RIOTS

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/N/NY_POLICE_SURVEILLANCE_BAOL-?SITE=WABCAM&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
04/27/2007
Judge is asked to lift ban on NYPD taping of political protests
By LARRY NEUMEISTER
Associated Press Writer
And it was unreasonable to ban police from videotaping demonstrations when demonstrators are permitted to tape the proceedings, Donoghue said
Terrorist preparation activity, such as scouting locations, is generally lawful, and the checking of leads in terror cases requires police officers to have the freedom to perform necessary surveillance, she said.

YES LIBS AT THEIR BEST OF COURSE WE MUST FOLLOW THE MONEY AFTER ALL WE SEE AROUND THE WORLD THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST FUNDING LEFTIST CAUSES?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/4/26/213823.shtml?s=os
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
U.S. Missile Test Intercepts 2 Targets
NewsMax.com Wires
Friday, April 27, 2007

OF COURSE IT WAS THE DEMOCRATS WHO WERE AGAINST THE FUNDING FOR THIS PROGRAM BUT THOSE NASTY REPUBLICANS HAD CONTROL?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/4/26/161647.shtml
Reprinted from NewsMax.com
The House Sides With the Enemy
Paul Weyrich
Friday, April 27, 2007

Meanwhile, in the Senate, Majority Leader Harry M. Reid, D-Nev., has changed his mind about this issue three times in the last six months.
Campaigning last November, he swore not to allow cutting off funds for the military under any circumstance. Then he decided that it was OK under certain conditions. Now he is threatening to present brand-new legislation which would completely end all funding for the war in Iraq.
GOOD READ

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070426.wputin0426/BNStory/International/
Putin declaration sparks NATO concern
MARK JOHN AND DAVID BRUNNSTROM
Reuters
April 26, 2007 at 12:23 PM EDT
“The key thing is to prevent a spiral of misunderstanding between Russia and the United States,” Mr. Steinmeier, whose German Social Democrats have been vocal critics of the U.S. plan, told reporters.
AREN’T THESES THEY GUS WHO GAVE US KOSOVO??

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070426.wclimate0426/BNStory/Business
Oil sands startups get break under climate plan
SHAWN MCCARTHY
Globe and Mail Update
April 26, 2007 at 4:59 PM EDT
TORONTO — The Conservative government has signalled that it won't let its climate change plan derail aggressive oil sands expansion, exempting new projects from greenhouse gas emission targets until they are up and running.

BETTER READ IT?

OF COURSE WE DO KNOW THE GREENIS GET A LOT OF ARAB MONEY?

JUST LIKE STANFORD WITH THEIR LATEST FINDINGS ABOUT CORN RUNNING YOUR CAR?? [follow the money you will find big arab money]

You see sometimes things look really good on paper but real life has a problem with getting in the way!

Can’t play all day have a party dress to get ready and dancing shoes? And Paint my toes nice and red because it is Spring and they will be exposed!!!

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GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Here's a description of life in Saudi Arabia by an ex-terrorist...Maybe the Saudis should clean up their own act first!

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article1685726.ece

How a British jihadi saw the light:

Ed Hussain, once a proponent of radical Islam in London, tells how his time as a teacher in Saudi Arabia led him to turn against extremism...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165418,00.html
Virginia Tech Blasted Over Sex-Segregated Classes for Saudis
Thursday, August 11, 2005

I knew that here was something about VT??

YEP FOLLOW THE MONEY??

"The media must dispel the myth that terrorism and Islam are identical concepts," he said, adding that the misrepresentation of Islam "adds fuel to the fire" of Muslim discontent with the West."

Snort. How about the West's discontent with muslims ?

He is correct about one thing though. The media does misrepresent islam. The religion of peace, hijacked by a few extremists.
Yeah right.

who cares what the OIC says about anything, they can scream from their little cesspoolstans. when over 90 percent of terrorism is from muslims, we can
logically connect the dots! islam and terrorism are one and the same.

"OIC accuses West of anti-Muslim bias"

Funny that. You see, the human psyche develops bias' based on experience . . .when someone gets burned by touching by fire, there is a tendency to develop a bias against pain and avoid it.

In the case of islam and muslims in general, the connection between fire/pain took quite a bit of effort to develop:

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So, go figure, there IS a growing and absolutely reasonable bias against muslims and islam.

Wish these islamic a-holes would talk to their fellow muslims rather than attempting to warn, proselatize or soft soap us.

The problem is islam and they are welcome to stew in it and dont try and export it here.

We have enough problems with pukes like Grover Norquist or Harry Reid - why should we listen to an Irshad Manjit or De Sousa ?

Any time the prez, in foreign policy, has given credence to a muslim, he has given himself grief.

With sanity (awareness of islam/bias) growing in the West, perhaps the US will come to it's senses and put a full $top to this non$en$e (jizya) throughout the muslim world.

I'm biased against Islam, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I'm biased against Islam in the same way I'm biased against overpriced stocks, investment opportunities offered by men with felony swindling convictions, households with Pit Bulls in their yards, welfare recipients, and illegal aliens.

Anybody got a problem with that?

* 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 ** 33:21 *

The populaces of Western nations, and east Asian nations, ftm, should never forget that the express stated goal of Islam is to convert us, subjugate us, or murder us.

This long term world takeover program is what Yale/Harvard alum George W. Bush describes as "one of the world's great religions" and what Oxford alum Tony Blair calls "a progressive religion."

Go figure.

They always do this. Just like the Palestinians! Wha whahh,,, po po' johnny's! They cannot debate anything but just come back with "You called us..you said we are..." while we wait still no logical answer! I learned in psychology you do this to avoid having to ever give an answer because you do not have one. Put them back in defense with a defense question! It does work, the dhimmicrats been doing it for years now! That is what we have here! Over and over and over again! We can despel that terorism is a myth! It's a reality!
Freaking out over cartoons!? Why should I believe a damn thing he says!!!!!! Excuses, excuses you know what they say .....they are one!

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Can anyone point me to a clear reference regarding the clerical hierarchy of Islam.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2098364/

I see Sheikh this, Mullah that, and Mufti and on and on. I Would like to get a general idea of just how far a given thug has climbed MO's corporate ladder.

Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the supposed modern, westernized (he's a professor of the history of science in Turkey, after all), could two years ago unembarrassedly declare to an American audience (whom he could count on knowing nothing about Islam) that the “privilege of becoming a protected minority via an act of dhimmiship was given only to the followers of a prophet to whom a sacred book was revealed.”

Here's a little more on Ekmelledin Ihsanoglu, apparently chosen, as a supposedly suave academic, to burnish the image of Islam as the most recent Secretary-General of the O.I.C. And he, apparently, is the best they could do:

"On Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, the Turkish historian who was carefully chosen, as the most moderate and presentable (to the Infidels) person, after the bad impression left by Mohamad Mahathir's celebrated rant, to assume the position of head of the Organization of Islamic Countries, one can find a number of things in the JW archives.

Here are two:

1. From a posting on exaggerated claims made by Muslims for "Islamic science":

"One might also be amused by the large claims made by a bizarre figure, Ziauddin Sarkar. Sarkar, in turn, was somehow permitted to review, in the pages of the British journal "Nature," the large claims made on behalf of "Ottoman" -- i.e., "Islamic" science - by Dr. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, a historian of Ottoman science, some of whose attempts to explain why such things as the clock did not develop in the East but only in the West (you see, since the early clocks were not sufficiently accurate for Muslims to rely on them for knowing when it was time for prayers, they did not think it worth using them, or trying to improve them) raise far more disturbing questions about the Muslim mind-set than Dr. Ihsanoglu apparently realizes.

Why did an editor at Nature give the job of reviewing Ekheleddin Ihsanoglu's book to the apologist Ziauddin Sarkar? And who at Science allowed the puff-piece about "Islamic science," with every cliche that no historian of mathematics, or science, or technology -- not Giorgio di Santillana, not Crombie, not Charles Singer, not a hundred others -- would have permitted?

What is happening when standards, supposedly so rigorous at "Science" or at "Nature" are so obviously non-existent, and both journals become, rightly, the object of ridicule? This kind of thing cannot be allowed to go on. Who, in the world of science, will demand some kind of investigation into how, if not Sarkar's absurd review, then at least Wasim Masiak's bit of propaganda for some Self-Esteem Studies Department at Al-Azhar University, or the King Abdul Aziz Institute of Advanced Islamic Sciences, is discussed, both its contents, and how it ever was allowed to grace the pages of what is supposed to be a serious and "peer-reviewed" journal.

Who were Masiak's peers who reviewed him? George Saliba?

[Posted by: Hugh at July 30, 2005 01:36 PM]

2. And this excerpt from "Islam for Infidels, Part III":

And many more words and phrases will need to be carefully redefined to protect Islam from prying eyes and minds. Certain words that could prove too hot to mishandle may have to be eliminated altogether. One word that seems to be getting much disturbing attention lately, is “dhimmi.” If Infidels were to visit the website www.dhimmitude.org, or even read the books of Bat Ye’or, they might develop a negative view of Islam. And that would never do. Muslims are keenly aware of the problem – hence all the talk of “protected peoples” and the Compact of Omar.

No less a personage than Dr. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, a Turkish historian of Ottoman science who is now the Secretary-General of the Organization of Islamic Countries, helpfully explained in a recent address to an audience of American Infidels, that the “privilege of becoming a protected minority via an act of dhimmiship was given only to the followers of a prophet to whom a sacred book was revealed.”

In defining “dhimmiship” as the “privilege of becoming a protected minority” Dr. Ihsanoglu did his best. But those who are so solicitious of the public image of Islam and of Muslims in mind realize that it should not be left up just to NPR, or the BBC, or Le Monde; we all have to pitch in, and do our bit. It might be better if “dhimmi” were to be jettisoned altogether. The word upsets Infidels, and it does nothing for Muslims, either.

Instead of “dhimmis” why not call them “Friends With Benefits”?

[Posted on February 14, 2005 10:33 AM] |

[Posted by: Hugh at February 17, 2006 10:46 PM]

Re: "The head of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) accused the West of anti-Muslim bias on Thursday and warned journalists against automatically linking Islam with terrorism".

"Terrorism" is only part of their problem. The problem for them will grow very great as more and more people understand the mandates of Islam, which permit deception and violence to unbelievers. Also, people are becoming very aware of the intolerance and lack of pluralism (Saudi Arabia, etc.) in Muslim countries and are becoming offended by Muslim demands for tolerance toward Islam by non-Muslims. (It's like a criminal mind, this demand for deference from unbelievers.) More and more people are aware of this Islamic fraud. This is not just another "golden rule" religion. Islamic countries are creepy in their intolerance.

"The cat's out of the bag".

"Virginia Tech Blasted Over Sex-Segregated Classes for Saudis
Thursday, August 11, 2005

I knew that here was something about VT??

YEP FOLLOW THE MONEY??"

Catherine,

Wonder what the reaction would be to a group of visiting American professors if they insisted that that they wanted mixed-gender classes at a Saudi university.

You guesed it!

Why do we always cater to the dydfunctional screwsballs from the Muslim world?

VT should have told the Saudi professors that their request is denied because we consider it immoral and against our principles. Period

Recall this Brussels Journal article dated March 31, 2007:

Don't confuse terrorism with Islam, says EU

Quoting the AFP article above:

The head of the 57-nation

Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC)

accused the West of anti-Muslim bias on Thursday and

warned journalists against automatically linking Islam with terrorism.

That statement, by itself, should remove the veil of doubt about Bat Ye'or's thesis "Eurabia".

The OIC and EU are enjoined in an incestuous relationship. The EU elite pols responsible for the suffocation of European culture deserve to be lynched .

What about the muslim's anti-Jew, West and anyone not a muslim?! The hatred and violent jihad they are teaching their children to wage against us? And all those masses of 'moderates' who do absolutely NOTHING to stop the radicals, but instead are told by their koran to support them if they don't want to wage jihad in order to gain heaven.

I personally don't give a rip what a muslim says anymore unless they are saying, 'I want out of islam because they realize that the murdering and torturing and hating is beyond atrocious.'.

And here is why muslims know that all they have to do is wait it out. If the West would study some history of the muslims against anyone not a muslim since mohammed's time they would know that waiting and deception are tactics.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/04/is_the_war_on_terror_over.html

"VT should have told the Saudi professors that their request is denied because we consider it immoral and against our principles. Period"

Also this is a violation of the 1st amendment which forbids public institutions from establishing rules based on religion. VT should be sued for this.

Not anti-Muslim bias. Anti-ISLAM bias.

Just wanted to clarify. Excuse us for wanting to rid ourselves of the antithesis of our U.S. Constitutional Democratic Republic. Excuse us for wanting to retain secularism. Excuse us for wanting to maintain reason and education. Excuse us for wanting to preserve the lives of our children born and to be born.

Excuse us for understanding the message of Islamic terror too well.

And above all, excuse us for reading your "book" -- the Qur'an makes things so clear if you're an "unbeliever".

Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu objects to the connection made between "Islam" and "terrorism"?

What about making the connection between "Islam" and "Jihad"? Would he have any objection to that?

Firstly, he didn't say that. He said that the cartoons "had the effect of the September 11 attacks on the Islamic World..." completely different from Spencer's alteration of the quote. The OIC was trying to give a comparison of something cross-cultural (like you guys know about that)---and not intending to be offensive. They do have some evidence to back them up (oops, I forgot...evidence doesn't work on this site.)

Surge in Anti-Muslim Incidents Reported
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/18/AR2006091800597.html
(Yes it was done by CAIR, you geniuses you. Doesn't mean they didn't recieve the complaints.)

India: Gujarat Officials Took Part in Anti-Muslim Violence
http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/04/30/india3885.htm
(Granted, not Western, but definitely Western-condoned.)--You will also say that Muslims started it...they killed 58, then the non-Muslim retaliation was 850, not including rapes, and the mass graves they are still looking for---equal? (and I know what's coming, "the Muslims have had a 1400 year Jihad"...blah blah blah, Muslims DID NOT have "I wonder what ~1/150000+ Bukhari verses says about non-Muslims???" going through their heads when this was happening--guaranteed.

The anti-Muslim backlash begins
http://www.irr.org.uk/2005/july/ak000008.html

Anti-Muslim bias 'spreads' in EU
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4325225.stm

I'll stop here for now. Now, before you start claiming like I talked above about how all of these attacks are "defenses against jihad," remember what Spencer reiterates: only Muslims respond disproportionally when they are "retaliated against" (for some attack that could have possibly happened or for an interpretation of 10-15/1000000+ verses that simply because they might exist, constitute a 1400 year attack on all things non-Muslim), either verbally or physically, not glorious non-Muslims.

Just doing some thinking...
(PS. I know Hugh just wrote something so you are tired (and your head is spinning thinking "what did he just say? Oh well, I agree with him, even though I don't understand 90 percent of what he just rambled on about"). Just read the top, the bottom, or don't read at all and call me a Muslim or attack the tag and you will feel a lot better about yourself.)

The Arabians were for centuries governed by the descendants of Joktan, who peopled the south-west of Arabia. Yarab one of the sons of Joktan founded the kingdom of Yaman, in which was also the kingdom of Sheba, whose Queen afterwards visited King Solomon. The Kingdom of Yaman was the most powerful state of all Arabia. [NOW THERE IS A plagues on the children who is from there? ubl [YELLOW COWARD WHO RUNS AWAY]
Jorahan another son of Joktan founded the kingdom of Hedjaz which became the thereafter became the most import in all Arabia for its possession of the holy places of Mecca and Medina, and is called the holy land of Arabia
The Arabs originally acknowledged the Existence of one Supreme God, Creator of the Universe, whom they called allah taala, the most high god.
Their religion soon lost its earliest monotheism, and degenerated into gross idolatry, fetichism, animal worship and star worship. They frist of all adopted Sabeanism or worship of the hosts of heaven.
It is said that the ancient Arabs had 7 celebrated temples decated to the 7 plantes. Very soon, however, the star worship became greatly corrupted and other deities, superstitious and idolatrous practices were introduced.
From their pagan neighbors they adopted the doctrine of the abodes or haunts of gods: marked them out as sacred territories by pillars, and within which bloodshed, cutting of trees, and killing game was forbidden, and within such enclosures the blood of sacrifices was smeared on sacred stones, and gifts were hung up on trees. This is the origin of the Haramain or sacred territory around Mecca and Medina. Everywhere in Arabia there were wells, pillars, and heaps of stones, where the Arab devotees congregated to obtain special blessings. Sacrifices were common, but not by fire. The blood of the sacrifices was smeared over the rude stone altars, and the flesh was eaten by the worshipers.
They also worshiped idols, ten of whom are mentioned by name in the qu-ran.
Al Uzza identified with planet Venus, and worshiped at times under the form of an acacia tree: and Manat a huge stone worshiped as an altar by several tribes. The Arabs also worshiped angels, whom they called female gods and the daughters of god. They imagined that these images of angles were animated by them and were intercessors with god for man. The most celebrated and central object of arab worship however was the blackstone of Mecca set in the corner of a square building called the Kaaba, in which also are placed the images of Abraham and Ismael each carrying in their hands divine arrows.
SO WHEN THE GO AROUND AND AROUND THEY WORSHIP ISMAEL KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT HIM??

Further they say that Mecca stands on the spot exactly beneath God’s throne in heaven. The present Kaaba they say was built by Abraham and his son Ismael and the black stone which had been missing, was shewn to Ismael by the angel Gabriel, and it was used as a corner stone for the building of the kaaba.
The Jews who had fled in great numbers into Arabia from the fearful destruction of their country by the Romans, had introduced Jewish religion among several of the tribes. Christianity like wise had made great progress among this nation before the birth of Mo-Ham-Od
The multiplicity and variety of so many religions and religious ideas and practices not infrequently conflicting with one another had already produced in the minds of these people necessity of finding a religion that would be re-conciliatory, and that could be adaped to the nature of people and thus the path was layed open to the new religion called Hanifs, which was introduced just before the birth of Mo-Ham-Od. These Hanifs were a small number of Arabs, who worshiped only allah, rejecting polytheism, and sought FREEDOM from sin and resignation to Gods will. Thus was we see Hanifism was only a step to islam, and such was the state of religion in Arabia before the time of Mo-Ham-Od.
OF COURSE THEN HE BROUGHT RAPE KILLING STEALING AND LETS NOT FORGET LIEING ALL FOR HIS CAUSE??? SAD SAD!! Most muslims have taken what was before which was good and get it mixed up with Mo-Ham-Ods stuff???

Some by me and the rest by Rev.J.L.Menezes written in 1912??

Ok, I have to admit, I'm not a fan of rap, but Stuck Mojo just got my seal of approval. Thanks for the link, Catherine.

It's refreshing to see other artists getting the facts right for a change -- I say "others", because the dirty little secret is, I'm one also. Surprise.

This is just the OIC way of intemadition By pointing out they have 57 countries?

next it is 1. somthing billion people of course most live on islands or in mud huts if you take away those the #s are very reduced then you have to ask how many of those countries are on welfare or live on jizzia?

again the #s go way down!

you see we have been here before and We had a good man at the UN=LON=AL to stop them but the Democrats would not confrim him Yes I talk of Boltan so what and who did the Democrats who run the Senat comfrim?

Shame on you Americans who gave these mad men power just look what they have don't sence Nov?

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45479
Muslim nations throttle
U.N. terror resolution
Criticism of suicide bombers censored by global body's Islamic member states
Posted: July 28, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern

READ THE WHOLE THING

Funny how as time passes thinking things have changed the more they stay the same.

for an interpretation of 10-15/1000000+ verses

The Study of Political Islam finally puts this nonsense to bed . . .

For an example of using statistics, look at the question: what is the real jihad, the jihad of inner, spiritual struggle or the jihad of war? Let’s turn to Bukhari (the Hadith) for the answer, as he repeatedly speaks of jihad. In Bukhari 97% of the jihad references are about war and 3% are about the inner struggle. So the statistical answer is that jihad is 97% war and 3% inner struggle. Is jihad war? Yes—97%

You need micro-tweezers and a microscope (neither muhameddan innovations- LOL) to cherry pick non-violent verses.

(nic is rediculous as NO real American by any standard would post rubbish like that)!

CAIR has forfeited all credibility

An American: I noticed (you may or may not) that in the articles about muslims being attacked, every instance was accompanied by an investigation being conducted and/or persons being arrested.

When a christian in Pakistan is found to have converted from islam and is sentenced to death by the tolerant muslim controlled goverment, when a muslim girl in "palestine" is murdered by her own mother for being raped by her uncle, or a teenage girl is hanged by a judge for being raped by a cab driver, when we see pictures of peaceful muslims screaming "death to america, death to the infidels" over some newpaper cartoons or a speech by a catholic pope, it makes it difficult to see the peace and serenity that you claim is islam.

An American posted:
“Firstly, he didn't say that. He said that the cartoons "had the effect of the September 11 attacks on the Islamic World..." completely different from Spencer's alteration of the quote.”

Cartoons about a long-dead prophet had the same effect as 3000+ dead contemporaries. The same ability to shock, to anger, to cause fear? There is nothing wrong with wondering why this is so. Your links to anti-Muslim violence since the attacks do not mention widespread demonstrations, attacks and deaths on the scale seen in the cartoon riots.

“India: Gujarat Officials Took Part in Anti-Muslim Violence
1. http://hrw.org/english/docs/2002/04/30/india3885.htm
(Granted, not Western, but definitely Western-condoned.)–“

Where’s the link to the article about Bush and Blair getting together and saying, “Good Job, Gujarat Officials” ...oh, right. There isn’t one.

Here are some excerpts from your links:
Re: anti-Muslim bias in the EU...

“In Germany meanwhile, more than 80% of those surveyed last year associated the world "Islam" with "terrorism" and "oppression of women" - although it was unclear to what extent this resulted in discriminatory behaviour.
[the extent is unclear]

It also says that Muslim schools in the Netherlands are widely believed to "undermine integration efforts" although it says such claims are "poorly supported by facts".
[poorly supported by facts]

A number of European countries have been engaged in a debate about whether long standing policies of multi-culturalism best serve the minorities involved.
[DEBATES! OH MY GOD!!!]

Assimilation has been put forward as a means of stopping minorities - and particularly Muslims - from occupying a parallel society that could exclude them from mainstream benefits.”
[ASSIMILATION! OH THE HORROR!! OH, PLEASE! NOT THE MAINSTREAM BENEFITS!]

From the link regarding anti-Muslim bias in the US:
“The largest portion of complaints, more than 17 percent, fall into the "due process" category, said Arsalan Iftikhar, CAIR legal director. They include complaints such as racial profiling and overzealous arrest or interrogation practices. Second, at 15 percent, are denial of religious accommodation accusations, and 14 percent concerned employment discrimination, according to the report. It did not break down the complaints by location.”

Racial profiling? Islam is not a race. Overzealous arrest is a shame if it happens to anyone.
Denying separate facilities for everything from prayers, to cooking, to sex-segregation may be disappointing but our government isn’t obligated (in fact, it’s prohibited) to support religions, and individual owners of businesses are free to choose to do this, or not.

P.S. When Hugh posts something I don't understand, I go and look it up. I have never made fun of your tag. Now since I don't exactly fit the redneck stereotype you want to impose on us all, feel free to ignore me.

"The head of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) accused the West of anti-Muslim bias on Thursday and warned journalists against automatically linking Islam with terrorism."

"The media must dispel the myth that terrorism and Islam are identical concepts," he said, adding that the misrepresentation of Islam "adds fuel to the fire" of Muslim discontent with the West."

WARNED JOURNALISTS? (or what?)

THE MEDIA MUST DISPEL THE MYTH? (or what?)

These sound like threats. Do members of the media roll over to people who say such things or do they stand up to them as easily as they stand up to Bush and Blair?

I'll give the guy one kudo. Terrorism and Islam are not "IDENTICAL". They are separate but equal parts of one philosophy of living and governing. And that philosophy can be accurately described as: "you can die or you can do things my way".

"My way or the highway" isn't sufficient because if you take to the highway, their highway men will deal with you down the road.

An "American":

You are defending a comparison of speech vs. a series of violent acts that resulted in the death of more than 3000 innocent people.

I understand "cross-cultural" comparisons, but the fact that some cross-cultural comparisons might be valid (say equating a genocide with another genocide) does NOT mean that ALL cross-cultural comparisons are reasonable. It would appear that from your perspective, if a statement is from a Western perspective it must be wrong and if it is from a non-Wester perspective is must be right.

Can you point to even on instance where you would take the Western view? Is your self-loathing so complete that you cannot see the dangers faced by the freest societies on the planet?

You suffer from what all "useful idiots" in the West suffer from, a lack of proportionatally a lack of historical context. You enjoy the protections of living in the West, with no cognizance of the price paid by so many people to give you those protections. Freedom is never free, it is paid with blood. The least we can do is be diligent in not throwing away our freedoms now that we have them.

Your logic says that Polish citizen spitting at a Nazi soldier in WWII is comparable to what happened to the Polish citizen after doing so. Your logic says the emotional impact of the spit was so stunning, so much an affront, that the resulting execution was just more of the same.

If you cannot even fathom that Western civilization is worth defending, and if you find all cultural values to be equivalent, why not expand the "cross-cultural" boundaries and move to Saudi Arabia?

I for one want to live as an American where freedom of speech is protected, and not equated as equivalent to terrorist acts. If a culture says that speech is equal to violence, that is NOT a cultural value that I want to cross over.

"Muslims started it...they killed 58, then the non-Muslim retaliation was 850, not including rapes, and the mass graves they are still looking for"

An American:

You seemed to be all over the place in your post. Can you please enlighten me, in plain English? What concept of war demands that when one side attacks, the other side must respond in kind? You kill 58 of my people, I can only kill 58 of your people?

The Palestinians throw stones at Israeli soldiers and the soldiers are not allowed to respond because "they were only throwing stones"?

When a country or group starts attacking others what law demands a proportionate response? If this country is attacked I expect our leaders to fight back with everything we have. The people who start the war need to be prepared to accept the consequences.

After sinking a battleship, a European country lost colonies around the world in the war that followed. An attack on a single naval base in an American territory ultimately led to the atomic bombing of two of the attacker's cities.

These muslims don't seem to be paying close attention to reality, we were not biased years ago,but then your people , call them what you may, started attacking my civilians, not the military , we tried to be patient and find a solution for all of us to live with but you kept attacking even after you promised not to, what the hell do you expect!!!After 9/11 you got your asses kicked and will continue to get it kicked until someone on your side steps up to face reality of living with us . Don't let this latest voting in the senate fool you, my friends are still coming after you and will not stop, sort of OUR JIHAD!!!! O have a nice day.

An American writes:
"Firstly, he didn't say that. He said that the cartoons "had the effect of the September 11 attacks on the Islamic World..." completely different from Spencer's alteration of the quote."

What a maroon you are! Sailing a couple of airliners
full of civilians is like a cartoon about a murdering pedophile? Islam stinks.

Just thinking about what a dummy you are.

Qur’an 48:11 “The desert Arabs who lagged behind [in fighting] will say to you (Muhammad): ‘We were engaged in (looking after) our flocks and our families.’ We have prepared for them a Blazing Fire!”

THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE USING TO CALL TO FIGHT NOW!!

Qur’an 4:78 “Wherever you are, death will find you, even if you are in towers built up strong and high! If some good befalls, they say, ‘This is from Allah;’ but if evil, they say, ‘This is from you (Muhammad).’ Say: ‘All things are from Allah.’ So what is wrong with these people, that they fail to understand these simple words?”

Ubl [yellow coward who runs away] USE THIS TO TAKE OUT THE WTC NOT SOME THING HE THOUGHT UP??

Qur’an 4:88 “What is the matter with you that you are divided about the Hypocrites? Allah has cast them back (causing their disbelief). Would you guide those whom Allah has thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah has thrown aside and led astray, never shall they find the Way.

YEA RIGHT LOOK AT EVERY MULSUM COUNTRY A SHIT HOLE!!

” Qur’an 4:89 “They wish that you would reject Faith, as they have, and thus be on the same footing: Do not be friends with them until they leave their homes in Allah’s Cause. But [and this is a hell of a but...] if they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”

Qur’an 47:21 “Were they to obey, showing their obedience in modest speech, after the matter (of preparation for Jihad) had been determined for them, it would have been better. Is it to be expected that if you were put in authority and given command that you would do mischief in the land and sever your ties of kinship. Such men are cursed by Allah. He has made them deaf, dumb and blind.”

Qur’an 4:97 “Verily, when angels take the souls of those who die wronging themselves (by staying home), they say: ‘In what (plight or engagement) were you?’ They reply: ‘Weak on the earth.’ Such men will find their abode in Hell, an evil resort!”

Qur’an 4.:8 “Except those who are feeble—men, women and children—who cannot devise a plan nor have the means or power. These are those whom Allah is likely to forgive.”

SO WHY IS IT THAT THE ISLAMIC TERRORIST KILL IRAQI CHILDREN BECAUSE THEY ARE YELLOW COWARDS!!

Qur’an 9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to march forth in the Cause of Allah (i.e., Jihad) you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you march, He will afflict and punish you with a painful torture, and put others in your place. But you cannot harm Him in the least.”

YEA more Islamic terrorist dead TODAY BY THE USA & NEW IRAQI ARMY NOW WHO IS ON GODS SIDE?

Qur’an 9:48 “They had plotted sedition before, and upset matters for you until the Decree of Allah [to fight] became manifest, much to their disgust. Among them are many who say: ‘Grant me exemption to stay back at home (exempted from Jihad). And do not tempt me [with promises of booty].’ Have they not fallen into temptation already? Indeed, Hell surrounds them.”

WHO ARE THESE MONSTERS WHO SAY IT IS OKAY TO KILL IRAQI CHILDREN? FROM SAUIDI ARABIA EGYPT JORDAN PALESTINIANS, SYRIA, ENGLAND, FRANCE, GERMANY,? YES WESTERN MULSUMS WHO LIVE IN FREEDOM CHOOSE TO GO KILL IRAQI CHILDREN WHY????????

Yes the religion of peice we see it every day as they kill around the world for more power?

PMK

Do members of the media roll over to people who say such things or do they stand up to them as easily as they stand up to Bush and Blair?

PBS rolled over big time recently . . .The Mainstream Media: Islamist Facilitators

YouTube pulls video, bans user for quoting violent Qur'an verses

CAIR & hit show "24"

Netherlands: School Scraps Nature Course As Pigs Enrage Muslim Pupils

Get ready for a wave of pro-Muslim censorship

I am preparing to tear up an image of the "prophet" Mohammad -showing his face- (printed out from a Turkish museum site)!

Will that be equivalent to killing 3,000 people?

Of course!

In the bizarro world of Islam, one picture is worth three thousand infidels.

(I remember all of that mob-violence against Muslims in the U.S., right after 9/11, that killed... er... none... uh, wait, there wasn't any. But, hey, I'll bet someone laughed at a burkah... and that's just as bad as lynching hundreds of helpless Mohammedans, right?... illegitimate moral relativism, the hemlock of the hollow-headed.)

An American-

You are such a phony. There is not one Muslim country that accords equality to other belief-systems. Islam is the engine of Arab-Imperialism, covering itself as "religion" via rituals and costumes. It's just another rationalization system that permits the believer to exploit, dehumanize, abuse, and even kill some lately "indigenous people". History is one long story of this crap (every group has blood on its hands in this nonsense). The Aztec did it to the Toltec, the Spaniard to the Aztec, the Arab to the Spaniard, etc.

But without question, Islam is the best "religious" cover for abuse, deception, exploitation and mass murder in all of history. Hitler thought it was the perfect belief-system for Imperialism. Hitler was right about Islam.

Mira,

I also saw the story of the PBS surrender. I also watched their Crossroads series and was a little surprised at some of the pro-Western sympathies that made their way into it.

Did you see Bill Moyers' special about selling the Iraq war?

His first sentence talks about how the "Bush administration took leave of reality".

The links you provided are ample evidence of why so many people turn to the net for their news. The MSM (Fox included) has no backbone, UNLESS they're dealing with a Western government, probably because they know criticism of a Western official will not result in the Secret Police knocking at their door.

The only reason to seek information from the MSM is to know what the other side thinks.

Well, let's see....this
http://www.sauduction.com/
is equal to the cartoons to me.
Got anything else?

Bias? Nothing but realism here on JW. The MSM is biased alright - in *favor* of the death cult islam.

This is what I wrote of yesterday in the problem of the cloak of Islam. Certain Islamic nations are not blowing up and they are not exporting terrorism. The reason being this is an ethnocentric violence of certain cultures which are going to act out in aggression are hiding behind Islam as their law to chaos.

The sons of Ishmael are notorius for bloodshed and are implementing a great deal of the mayhem as are the Pakistani and Pashtun peoples.
Turkey for example is a very bloody nation and yet no Turks are exporting terrorism, but are starting to purge as they always have done historically. The Armenians and Kurds are 2 ethnic examples of this local territorial ethno Islam.

As is stated above it really p*sses off nations in the Asian steppes into Africa where they are being blamed for Islamic violence, just like the IRA gave Catholics a horrid reputation. These peoples are though getting angry and are starting to support the radical elements.

I agree with what General Petraeus stated last night after I wrote it earlier in a paper yesterday, Iraq could be the Japan of the Middle East if America sticks with it. Iraqi are traditionally the Chaldeans and while ruthless they are rather sedate and industrious when managed in the right direction.

Unless we submit, we're biased.
This crap is older than we are.
Same old, same old.
[...]

Posted by: jcom972

I'd call it Pregurgitated taquiya. The above is SPOT-ON and that is what Western "leaders" should be retorting with.

Notice they have 57 countries. How many more do they want?

"..tomorrow the entire world, comrades"

Yep.

Screw islam.

“The key thing is to prevent a spiral of misunderstanding between Russia and the United States,” Mr. Steinmeier, whose German Social Democrats have been vocal critics of the U.S. plan, told reporters.
AREN’T THESES THEY GUS WHO GAVE US KOSOVO??

Credit where credit is due. Kosovo is Clinton's baby. The German Sozis are definitely creating much mischief but they were mere followers on this one. A bit too enthusiastic too for a party that claims pacifism as its mantra.

Maybe it hasn't occurred to the OIC that there are things that DESERVE an "anti" bias. Or equally possibly it has.

We could point out that Islamia has potent and inherent anti-life, anti-Christian, anti-Judeism, anti-western, anti-democratic, anti-female, anti-Buddhism, anti-Hinduism, anti-American biases of its own (and we would be right). The OIC would likely point out in response to this that the things I just listed are indeed opposed by Islam and that Islam is against them BECAUSE these things are all defective and it is therefore CORRECT to have an 'anti'-bias against them.

These people will never -- and can never-- see that Islam itself is inherently fatally flawed and this is the source of the western 'bias' against their so-called 'religion' (which slaughters innocent persons with the same emotional pitch of, say, purchasing a notepad).

"Slay the infidels" over our collective dead bodies. Any anti-Islamic bias in the western democracies is richly merited by Islam and should remain in place.

An American,

The actual Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu quote from the zaman link is

""It is unfortunate that the Islamic world took the satirical drawings as a different version of the September 11 attacks against them," said Mr. Ihsanoglu. "I hope," he added, "the EU will adopt a new ruling to fight against Islamophobia.""

If anything, Ihsanoglu is underestimating how strongly some* Muslims feel about the cartoons, compared to their seeming lack of concern about actual deaths. As the Koran states, "fitnah is worse than slaughter" (2:191, 2:217). Thus, a dozen cartoons, much milder than those Muslims routinely produce demonizing Jews and Americans, are considered worse than the murder of 3000 innocent people, most of whom were non-Muslims.

*Note that about 68%-78% of British Muslims state that the cartoonists should be criminally prosecuted and punished. These percentages are likely to be higher in "moderate" Islamic countries such as Ihsanoglu's Turkey, and higher still in countries like Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc.

Hugh asked:

Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu objects to the connection made between "Islam" and "terrorism"?
What about making the connection between "Islam" and "Jihad"? Would he have any objection to that?

Ihsanoglu would have no objection to making the connection between "Islam" and "Jihad" -- since Jihad is simply the struggle for more peace and justice in the world, you see.

"As is stated above it really p*sses off nations in the Asian steppes into Africa where they are being blamed for Islamic violence, just like the IRA gave Catholics a horrid reputation. These peoples are though getting angry and are starting to support the radical elements."

Lame Cherry,

So you're excusing the people of Africa and Asia for supporting radical elements because Muslims are being blamed for the violence inflicted by some Arabs?

I know you don't mean to but that's how it comes across. The IRA gave Catholics a bad name but that didn't make all or even a tiny amount of Catholics form terror groups just because someone said bad things about them.

If Islam is their religion too, then what are THEY doing about those radicals in Saudi Arabia? Did it never occur to them (or Muslims in the West) to boycott the hajj? Squeeze the Saudis. Deprive them of income. People in this world have become very good at boycotts. Let them show us they're on OUR side by taking constructive action. They can't sit back and pretend that it's not their problem because it is. If they don't deal with the radicals then who will?

We're supposed to be afraid of offending people who blew up vacationers in Bali?

What about Jemaah Islamiyah? The name is Arabic, but the people are Asian. The Indonesian, Malaysian and Filipino Muslims are not descended from Ismael any more than the Afghans, but their leaders have no trouble spouting the same violent rhetoric and conducting the same jihad against non-Muslims within their countries. Even the "moderates" like Malaysia are led by people with islamosupremacist dreams.

It annoys them that they are being blamed for Islamic violence? If the shoe fits, wear it.

If their response to Western attitudes (not violence - ATTITUDES) is to reduce themselves to the lowest of all human beings, then they will have to accept the consequences.

Personally, I've had it with giving Muslims the benefit of the doubt. They are going to have to prove their good will. A good first step would be to PUBLICLY and LOUDLY denounce EVERY act of terrorism that occurs without any qualifications. Next, they can cease and desist all contributions to Muslim "charities" that also just happen to have a "political" wing. Then those Asians that are so offended can repeal all laws which make non-Muslims second class citizens. Then we can talk.

I'm going to catch the Center for the Study of Political Islam comment: the really shady secret organization made up of people who nobody knows about who maybe have some knowledge about something. I have done some basic math, and am prepared to revise my numbers:

From CSPI

Bukhari= the Hadith---partially true. There are three other collections, and all of them are constantly discussed, interpreted and debated, but CSPI (and Spencer) doesn't really care.

Jihad references-- 56/600,000+ from Bukhari alone. That's roughly .009 %. Of those, I have looked at most of them but we'll take CSPI's numbers, if 97 percent of .009 percent of Bukhari is calling for violent jihad, then we've got .0089 percent of one hadith collection that's violent...damn! Most of these verses (including all others in the collections) don't refer to either violence or struggle, the just say jihad, so it comes down to interpretation (wonder what CSPI's is? *rhetorical*).

Just doing some thinking...

An American-

Hey, phony. What percentage of Muslim countries grant complete equality and freedom of conscience to other belief-systems?

Everything about the above poster who calls himself 'American' is a fraud, including the perverse belief system that the seeks to defend.

He has done some 'basic math?'- sure: He must have used the Islamic math and science from the Koran to arrive at those numbers.

Why does he not tell his coreligionists, those on the Jihad war-path -, that they are all misunderstanders of Islam?

Why does he not give specific examples where we are wrong about that filthy book called the Koran which all the terrorists use to justify their acts?

http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/terrorist1.html

Un American -

For someone who does so much thinking, you are very uninformed.
Of course it depends on what you're thinking about. Maybe the 72 virgins you're sure to receive in your moslem paradise ?

The entire foundation of Islam is based on terrorism. Just look how Sunnis mass murder Shiites in Iraq. Just look how the Red Mosque fundamentalists in Islamabad try to terrorize the secular Muslims of Pakistan.

This topic and thread is so dead-on-point that I had to revisit...

It's a textbook example of moslem duplicity and double-speak.

Could the statement by Taquiyyip Erdogan which I am quoting below have anything to do with how we view islamist attidues toward the Rest of the World [Dar-al-harb]?

* Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a convicted Islamist who did jail- time for his beliefs, doesn’t beat around the bush:

“Democracy is but a train which we shall board [ascend], until we have arrived at our goal. The mosques are our Barracks, the minarets our bayonets, the domes our helmets and the believers are our soldiers.”

Isn't his country a member of the OIC and thus incompatible with the EU? He complains we are a "club of Christian Countries". Turkey's been a member of this islamist club since 1969.

Here's a look at their membership:
http://www.oic-oci.org/

Know your enemies and know what you can boycott.

"The media must dispel the myth that terrorism and Islam are identical concepts," he said, adding that the misrepresentation of Islam "adds fuel to the fire" of Muslim discontent with the West.

The MSM is doing plenty of that already. Still not enough for these islamists.

Just look at BBC , P.alestinian B.roadcasting S.ystem, N.ational P.alestinian R.adio, CNN, ABCBSNBC, Al-jazeera, Al-arabgiya and the countless hatefilled brodacasts by Egyptian and "palestinian" media outlets.

This is SUCH a textbook example of the constant demands by these impertinent little porcupines who call themselves the heads of the OIC States.

They make their claims with such an air of self-righteousness that only a very feisty leader will stand up to it. Noone in the West dares stick their neck out..

Pfui!!

I wish I were in charge of one of our countries. I'd start by telling it like it is for starters!

Jihad references-- 56/600,000+ from Bukhari alone. That's roughly .009 %. Of those, I have looked at most of them but we'll take CSPI's numbers, if 97 percent of .009 percent of Bukhari is calling for violent jihad, then we've got .0089 percent of one hadith collection that's violent...damn! Most of these verses (including all others in the collections) don't refer to either violence or struggle, the just say jihad, so it comes down to interpretation (wonder what CSPI's is? *rhetorical*).

Who cares? The other 500K+ references are about how to wipe your ass with your hand or how to best beat your wife without leaving bruises.

Look, jackhole, the only thing that matters about Islam to me, since I'll never believe a word of that ridiculous piece of crap religion, is how you treat infidels, which directly relates to jihad. Not djinns or burqas or any of the other farktarded crap you morons talk about amongst yourselves.

I don't care if you Muslims treat each other like long lost brothers when you meet up and lick each others' scrota clean, if you say one negative thing about infidels like myself, you can forget about me being anything but 'biased' against you.

Capiche?

Christ, you people are thick in the head.

Oh that's just SOME of them, and just "MSM"...lol

Here's a list of even more, and way loonier (some of whom have fans touting their talking points here) and go above and beyond the already-unhinged MSM, many of whom get their "news" from these kook fringe kool-aid kids:

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Movement.asp

(Warning: once you get past the alarmingly similar talking points between these pinheads & their islami-commie allies, get ready for some gut-bustingly hilarious tidbits of colossal ignorance,and outright stupidity...lol)

ImNoDhimmi-

He's a fraud, a fake, not very bright. Not honest. Someday an honest Muslim might come to the site. But I've not seen one yet.

We're fast approaching a stage where talking to Muslims will be impossible. It practically is now! Even "moderate" Muslims have this hypocritical mindset of we can do what we want and take what we want from the West but we will never help you and you cannot ever criticize us or Inshallah, we'll kill you all! ALLAH AKBHAR! ALLAH AKBHAR! ALLAH AKBHAR! X 10,000.

Let's zoom out from the whole picture. JihadWatch.org is extremely important to educate and inform those who will listen. If the West wanted to, theres no reason why we can't force Islam to reform or wipe it out. All the Muslims and Islamists in the world are no match for the West once the shackles of political-correctness and leftist-liberal blindness are shaken free. I would hate to see people die, but if it's us or them, I chose us.

All foreign forces should be pulled out of the Middle East and other Muslim countries and put into defending ourselves. We have the means and technology to eradicate the need for oil and if we combine resources and science we can either;

bring the environmentally friendly fuel technologies such as hydrogen manipulation or plasma generators (10x hotter that the sun) that are only lacking funding, to fruition

Or

implement existing technologies (wind, solar) on a much bigger scale.

As for defense and brute power. Hydrogen will act and give the same results that petrol/diesel and kerosene give us now and we can generate hydrogen, only its at the stage where it takes more energy to generate than it gives out, but if we make a concerted effort the scales will tip the other way. They already are but slowly. We can use nuclear to generate hydrogen fuel producing facilities to power fighter jets, helicopters, tanks etc... and use the uranium for nuclear weapons (unfortunately, but God willing we will never have to fire them).

Let the Muslims descend into chaos in the Middle East and deport any Muslim who does not wish to leave peacefully in our countries. Any threat of attack from a country/terrorist group should be quelled immediately with an extremely powerful message that if they do so they will be annihilated, frankly.

A very disturbing viewpoint I agree, but come 2050 we will probably be living in a chaotic world where enclaves of democracy fight against a global Islamic fascist world. Islam is incompatible with life never mind the West. There is reams of evidence, including the Qu'ran itself showing that Islam will not rest until it dominates the globe. Then, it'll probably go into phase II and anyone who doesn't subscribe to the more extreme version will be wiped out, etc, etc.

I'm fed up with the softly, softly approach to Islam. It's not going to fix itself. It's getting worse! Let's act! It's TIME TO WAKE UP!

"What we see now is a monologue, not a dialogue, and that increases divisions,"

Islam IS a monologue - a supremacist, imperialistic "monologue". These taqiyyah artists are only interested in "dialogue" as a strategy for a one-way ticket to Islamic dominance, which once it is achieved, will permanently erase "dialogue". Good God, do they really imagine that we're so stupid as to think that we haven't caught on to their decietful use of "pluralistic" language as a war tactic?.

"The media must dispel the myth that terrorism and Islam are identical concepts," he said,

No - the media has no such obligation to dispel anything that favors the enemy. The media (at least in the west) has the sole obligation to tell the truth, especially about what is motivating the enemy, which is islam.

.."adding that the misrepresentation of Islam "adds fuel to the fire" of Muslim discontent with the West."

There's no misrepresentation of Islam here. As to adding "fuel to the fire" of course when people are attacked and they fight back, that adds "fuel to the fire". But who started the fire? The OIC is in fact admitting here that Muslims are the ones who started the fire, due to their "discontent with the west". Our fighting back against the conflagration they have started apparently constitutes the "fuel" we are adding to the fire they lit. In other words, they have a God-given right to start a conflagration and anything we do to defend ourselves against us, is in their sick minds, further reason to just burn everything in sight.

Maybe this sort of logic works for minds steeped in the 7th century but it doesn't work for us moderns.

Bias against Muslims? In my dreams. There's not nearly enough bias against Muslims. But many of us are working assiduously to correct that lamentable fact.

cartoons angered the entire ummah. cartoons!!!!!

In other words, they have a God-given right to start a conflagration and anything we do to defend ourselves against us, is in their sick minds, further reason to just burn everything in sight.

Maybe this sort of logic works for minds steeped in the 7th century but it doesn't work for us moderns.

Bias against Muslims? In my dreams. There's not nearly enough bias against Muslims. But many of us are working assiduously to correct that lamentable fact.

Posted by: Caroline at April 27, 2007 10:15 PM

That's right Caroline, self-defense against islamic aggression is considered an attack on islam! Islamic logic is in a league of its own, the antithesis of Western thought and rationale. And no matter how "westernized" a muslim is, the islamic ethos is impenetrable. That's why muslims do not belong in the West and cannot coexist in harmony with modern, secular, Western people, or any non-islamic people. The muslim ethos is permanently and inexorably corrupted by islam and only a handful of muslims are capable of escaping its debilitating, mind-warping grip. Islam defiles the human mind.

Anything...and that means ANYTHING, that is not acceptable to islamofascists is an "attack on islam" to them. A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G
Like cancer, it doesn't get along with anyone.
Like terminators...
They can't be bargained with,
they can't be reasoned with,
they don't feel pain, or pity, or remorse,
and absolutely WILL NOT STOP...until we are DEAD.

Only someone who needs to know what the definition of "is" is doesn't get that.
It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu said at the opening of an OIC conference on the media in the Azerbaijani capital, Baku. "The media must dispel the myth that terrorism and Islam are identical concepts,"

That is what the MSM is doing ekmeleddin ! That is what they are doing. They are trying very hard to make us believe that

1. islam is a "religion of peace".

2. The jihadis are "a tiny minority of extremists".

3. The muslims invented nearly everything about a thousand years back, and it is only because of the policies of the "decadent West" that the islamic nations that don't have crude are in extreme poverty. In other words, I (though I am not of the West) am responsible for mahmoud starving in sudan, and I am also responsible when abdul beheads karim for shaving in pakistan, and I am also responsible when ali blows himself up in iraq.

Here are some questions I want to ask of any reporter/editor of the MSM. (non muslim)

1. Do you think that sawing off the heads of goats/sheep/cows/camels etc, is an excellent exercise and must be performed at the crack of dawn ? (every day)

2. Do you make your kids do it soon as they reach the age of 4 ?

3. You enjoy the congratulations of people when you make your grandkids do this excellent exercise mentioned in question #1 ?

If you have answered no to the above, please do try to understand that every single practicing muslim will say "Yes" to all of the questions.

I have lots of other questions for this questionairre, but I think that for starters, these three will suffice.

"Bias against Islam has increased since September 11, 2001 and a series of terrorist acts in Europe."

Islam's bias against the West has always existed since the 11th-century and the Crusades (aka "the 1000-year-old-grudge").

Right back at ya.

That's because christians dared to fight BACK... 300 years after the original "first crusade" started by the islamic empire itself...something they will never admit to, since mOslems can do no wrong.

susanp: "Islamic logic is in a league of its own, the antithesis of Western thought and rationale."

Islamic logic is indeed completely bizarre but I wonder whether the problem is "Islamic logic" so much as it is Islamic MORALITY. Is the Golden Rule a logical or a moral proposition? It seems to me to be a perfect blend of both (which is why it has such endurance). I believe that the average Arab IQ is around 100, maybe a little less. (I'd have to research that a bit to verify). But if that's the case, then the deficit isn't actually in rational and logical capabilities. Rather the deficit stems from the flawed moral code of Islam, as instituted by Muhammad himself. Eliminate the MORAL falsehood/confusion, and the capacity for rational logic in the ethical arena should follow, well, almost instantly, like a great light going off!

"OIC accuses West of anti-Muslim bias"

Very good news, what happened to Islamic countries where you have no religious freedom. Can you say that these nations are anti-other faiths or do we have to wait until all Muslims declare their war? Why can't you talk about you intolerance and inhuman actions in Islamic countries. Have you every talked about stoning, killing non muslims and the genocide in Sudan.

Rediculous people who don't even know what they are doing and what they are talking. When Muslims destroy charges, temples we have to be silient and encourage them to do all these.

Do not try to apply stone age principles now, we are frustrated about all your lies. Can you show a single Islamic nation where you have modern democracy.

Shahid: "Rediculous people who don't even know what they are doing and what they are talking."

What makes you think they don't know what they're talking about when they justify all these actions in the name of Islam?

"Can you show a single Islamic nation where you have modern democracy."

Is the basis for modern democracy in the Koran or the Sunnah? If not, then what's the surprise that no modern Islamic nation has the equivalent of a western democracy?

"Bias against Islam has increased since September 11, 2001 and a series of terrorist acts in Europe."
Not nearly enough........

You think the folks around during World War II might have had a bias against Nazis?

These guys do the victim thing quite well. Before you know it, they will be showing up at the Democratic Nactional Convention.

Where do you think they LEARNED the art of professional victimhood anyway?
LOL

Caroline, islamic morality, or lack thereof, stems from the doctrine of islam, which muslims accept with fatalistic certitude. Muslims are indoctrinated with the belief that the qur'an is the immutable word of allah; allah is all-knowing and unknowable; temporal life is but a trial run for the real thing (death); allah knows best and gave detailed instructions to his human mouthpiece, muhammad; and even if some of allah's demands are distasteful, it is not for a lowly human to question the almighty. So by the time a muslim is ten years old, the hideous, barbaric filth found in the qur'an and hadith is considered perfectly normal, and the satanic demon muhammad becomes the hero every muslim aspires to emulate.

This is where logic and morality merge and evil becomes good, good evil. If allah wills it, it is good, so hating Christians and Jews is not a necessary evil, it is the epitome of piety. Allah commands jihad against infidels, therefore it is an islamic duty and will be rewarded. Islamic morality (when correctly understood) to a non-muslim is pure, unadulterated evil. I'm sure many muslims know in their hearts that islam is a predatory death cult but when push comes to shove, their minds just can't defy allah's will. Their logic is simple: if allah decreed it, it cannot be questioned because allah knows best. When logic is based on fatalism, it's bound to be deeply flawed. Fear is a splendid motivator for abject cruelty because it evokes the survival instinct--kill or burn in hell. If blood, death and carnage please allah, let the slaughters begin!

It amazes me that anybody of sound mind and minimal intelligence could fail to instinctively recognize the inherent evil of islam based solely on the words and deeds of muslims. A cursory study of islamic history and doctrine should be sufficient to evoke mass public outrage over muslim immigration to America.