Pakistan: 40 Die in Sunni-Shiite Clashes

“There’s still a tendency to see these things in Sunni-Shia terms. But the Middle East is going to have to overcome that.” -- Condoleeza Rice

I'm sure they'll be getting right on that, Madame Secretary.

By Riaz Khan for Associated Press, with thanks to Lawrence:

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) -- Gunbattles between majority Sunnis and minority Shiites left at least 40 people dead and 43 wounded in remote northwestern Pakistan after men opened fire on Shiite Muslims, a Pakistani official said Saturday.

Arbab Mohammed Arif Khan, secretary for law and order in Pakistan's semiautonomous tribal regions, said authorities had imposed a round-the-clock curfew to control the situation in Parachinar in North West Frontier province bordering Afghanistan.

"People from both sides damaged each other's property on Friday and Saturday, and sporadic clashes are still continuing there," Khan said.

The trouble began Friday when gunmen began shooting at Shiites near their mosque, according to Gul Jan, a local resident.

Some of the Shiites blamed rival Sunni Muslims and began burning Sunni-owned shops and homes, local Sunni leader Shirin Mengal said in Peshawar, capital of the province where the clashes occurred. Mengal claimed that about 400 homes and shops of Sunni Muslims had been burned by Shiites.

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These muslims turn on each other faster when left alone, especially when infidels are not easily available.

"the Middle East is going to have to . . ."
Condi Rice [signorina riso amaro] seems to think that she's 2nd grade teacher or a 3rd grade teacher.
But won't somebody tell her that the world is not an elementary school?

Did nobody notice this interesting video ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-w116jnL7Y

How about we call the Psychopaths and Lunatics?


Imagine what a different world it would be if Rice and Bush and the rest actually educated themselves and understood what they were talking about with regards to Islam? Imagine what positive things would be accomplished in short order by reading and implimenting the seminal work of Spencer and/or adopting an advisor like Fitzgerald? Imagine how much wasted time and effort and billions of dollars and soldiers' lives would be spared? Imagine the Global Jihad crushed in relatively short order and imploding on itself; the invasion of the Modern World by suicidal immigration policies curtailed. Imagine American foreign policy based on reality and historical examples?

You may say that I'm a dreamer...but I'm not the only one...

It was just as nuts in Northern Ireland of people who looked the same and spoke the same language murdering each other over religion.

This is about whether Muhammed's grandkid should be in charge of Islam or if any one can be leader. One God of all and yet people all want to be the one on top.

I'm a Jewish Shiite because I follow Ali, Ali Sina that is. Sister site to this one:
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/

"Nasty Shi'a practicing tabarra, mutah, matam, taqiyya...corrupt the Qur'an...nasty ayatollahs and mullahs..."

"You're going to have to overcome that.”

"Gee, you're right! I never thought of it that way before."

And then there was peace in the Middle East.

The End.

I had hopes for Rice in the beginning, but with statements like this she's just become an embarrassment. Is the only competent institution in America the military? As important as the military is in fighting the islamic threat, it doesn't do any good if those who make policy give it the wrong mission, as in democratizing Iraq.

"Condi Rice [signorina riso amaro]..."
-- from a posting above

I think we should agree to leave the beautiful Silvana Mangano out of it. And also the script-writerwriter Carlo Lizzani, to whom an entire program was recently devoted on RAI international, lest someone make a scene, if not a sceneggiatura.

I just watched the YouTube link listed above. I hate the way the media and "Political Correctness" have taken over with regards to Jihad.

I really thought the Americans would set the world on fire to destroy these animals. Believe it or not, at the time, so did most Europeans. What a choice, jump or burn! I believe that people should watch this type of video more often.

My Europe is finished. Western Civilization is dying. Just like the Western Roman Empire, we are going with a whimper. Demographics and apathy are slowly tearing us down.

Would Iran and Syria still exist if the times were 1940 instead of 2007? Would the West tolerate what is currently going on in the Middle East? These people are just getting bolder.

I know I have written all this before; however, I cannot understand why more people do not condemn these extremists?!?!? I just don't understand.

Where are the Americans?

Shiite is as Sunni does..

While it is clearly 100% disgusting and heinious and wrong to celebrate these tragic conflcits, the sunni-shiite splits anywhere in any islamic nation needs to be exploited 24/7.

Exploiting ethnic conflicts are often even more important, especially when the ethnic conflict in question is between arabized/islamized and non-arabized peoples. Darfur and the N orth-African Amazigh-Arab conflicts are two obviously and frequently cited examples, but Paksitan has them too. There, it is in the form of the Paki "punjabs" (who of course are NOT real Punjabs) and Pathans, technically not Arab but thoroughly islamized and shameless Arab-Wannabes and peoples far less islamized and Arabized, the Balochis, ethnic Sindhis and natives of PoK (esp Northern Areas). In neighboring Afghanistan, similair conflicts exist between more islamized Pathans, much more likely to be supportive of the Taliban, and their less Islamized rivals Tajiks and Hazara, at odds with Pathans since they are SHiite and also because they are more interested in exploring the heritage they have outside Islam. In Afghanistan, it was the ethnic Hazara who portested the loudest against the Taliban razing of the buddha statues and at least one Hazara has even been jailed in U.S. liberated Afghanistan for stating it was morally wrong and unjustificable to execute Abdul Rahman.

Will all the muslims in these cases, (Darfur, North Africa, Pakistan or Afghanistan) become apostates simply upon us encouraging their resentment? Not likely, but we can at least help them in their realization that the so-called unity to the Islamic ummah is just canon fodder. Muslims will never be considered part of the Ummah by Arab Islamists so long as they have any desire to have a heritage that does not have anything to do with Islam. Sunnis living under Shiite domiantion wil continue to be seen as kuffar, as will Shiites living under Sunni domination. The realities concerning the myth of the islamic ummah should encourage a fair number of muslims to leave the system, while others at the very least end up taking the initiative to start a REAL reformation and pacifying of Islam that has long been considered unlikely if feasible at this point.

Paging Abdullah...what was that about the "Peace of Allah"???????

The trouble began Friday when gunmen began shooting at Shiites near their mosque, according to Gul Jan, a local resident.

Hey, it was opening day. Hunters always study their quarry to find out where they are most likely to be. Good places are where acorns are abundant, or the front door of a mosque.

Although Shiite season is probably year round with no limit.

This is human conduct at its lowest. It makes the Jim Crow era in the South look really nice by comparison.


The world is 87% sunni and 10% shits and 3% others....Its time the 87 percent wiped out the 10% shits. God, I don't who I hate more, the zionist cross-worshippers or the pagan heretic shits?

Secretary for Law and Order in Pakistan's semiautonomous tribal regions?

100% pure Orwell. Miniluv has fewer syllables though.

Somewhat OT, but still Pakistan related:

Pakistan cricket team criticized for focussing more on Islam than cricket. Go there, and go to the other stories regarding the Pakistani team putting religion above cricket.

P.S. Abdullah, the Sunni-'Shit' split is much more even in the Middle East, once you don't count Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia and any of Africa or Turkestan. If you just focus on the Middle East, it's more like 55%-45%, rather than 87%-10%. I do hope that the 'Shits' become powerful enough at the expense of the Sunnis, and then I'll egg you both on.

So when do you plan to take out 'Brother Muammar'?

It was just as nuts in Northern Ireland of people who looked the same and spoke the same language murdering each other over religion.

Posted by: Lame Cherry at April 7, 2007 08:01 PM

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The conflict in Northern Ireland was always more about ethnicity than religion. During one of the many rebellions against English rule, many of the Irish in Ulster and the surrounding areas were killed or driven into exile. Scottish and English Protestants came as colonists. Unlike the French Catholic-Protestant wars or the English Roundheads vs Cavaliers, the conflict in Ireland was never about trying to convert anyone, but about who would have control, the descendants of the native Irish or the Anglo-Scots. They weren't relatives who chose different sides in a religious debate, but ethnic groups that had been in conflict for centuries.

Now given the tribal nature of the Middle East, it is quite likely there is a degree of ethnic conflict that is manifesting itself as a religious division in the above scenario. However, you have the added element that Islam teaches subjugation of the infidel. So far as I can figure, the definition of "infidel" in Islam seems to pretty much be "anyone who doesn't practice the faith like I think it should be practiced." The texts of the Christian faith don't support that kind convert-or-die domination, which is why true intra-Christian warfare (convert or else, as opposed to conflict between ethnic or tribal groups) was of a far shorter duration than in Islam, where it has been happening for 14 centuries. Witness Exhibit A (for Abdullah) who "hates" Shiites and wants them all dead. Any Catholics/Protestants here have that much animosity towards the other?

this news is good news right?

i don't agree with root_cause, just glad to see muslim factions wipe each other out.

I really thought the Americans would set the world on fire to destroy these animals.

Posted by LouisRusso

I'd like to try, but I'd be arrested. Better for them to kill each other than try to kill us.

If they don't kill one another, they'll kill us. If they don't kill us, they'll find someone else to kill.

That's the nature of Islam.

Abdullah,

"God, I don't who I hate more, the zionist cross-worshippers or the pagan heretic shits?"

And there in lies your problem and the problems of your death cult (booth sunni and shi'ite). All you ever DO is hate. All you KNOW is hate. Everything in your life revolves around one thing: HATE.

Your cult is only good at breeding serial killers at best. Even IF your sick cult were to prevail world-wide, it would destroy itself within a generation or two!!

However, in this momentary slip of your mask, you pretty much stated that we can never exist peacefully if we "cross-worshippers" wish to remain free. We cannot have a "diplomatic solution" with the islamofascists as one cannot negotiate with a foe who seeks our genocide. Someone should tell the moronic Texas Legislature and the fools in Berkeley, CA this little tidbit.

Thank you for, yet again, reminding us of that fact.

The world is 87% sunni and 10% shits and 3% others....Its time the 87 percent wiped out the 10% shits. God, I don't who I hate more, the zionist cross-worshippers or the pagan heretic shits?

Posted by: Abdullah

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Abdullah the Blockhead says "The world is 87% sunni and 10% shits and 3% others....Its time the 87 percent wiped out the 10% shits. God, I don't who I hate more, the zionist cross-worshippers or the pagan heretic shits?"

Well Abdullah, as you so obviously hate cross-worshippers, perhaps it is about time you got out of the lands of the cross-worshippers on the next plane to Pakistan, where you can carry out your hatred of infidels (including Shiites) to your hearts content. And it is time all West-hating Muslims and their entire families who live here were forcibly deported.

“There’s still a tendency to see these things in Sunni-Shia terms. But the Middle East is going to have to overcome that.” -- Condoleeza Rice

How naieve. The Bush Administration once hoped to topple Saddam, make certain there were no WMDs, establish a democratic government (a government where public opinion matters), get all of Iraq's debts canceled (France, Germany, etc.) and be out of Iraq in 2 years. All that has turned to ashes because of Islam. they can't overcome that. We have to face and deal with reality.

Ultimately, there will be a nuclear war in this region because of the Jew-hatred inherent in Islam. They can't overcome that either. It is best for the US to get distance from the region, become energy self-sufficient, and support Israel when they are eventually under attack by these "true believers". They will only "overcome that" when their belief-system has brought them a catastrophe.

This must END! Everyone hates the 'Sooner', sooners getting killed all the time, it's not right. The people of Oklahoma are NOT bad people! Leave them alone. It's all I hear anymore, Sooner this, and Sooner that, "Kill the Sooner!" Some of my best friends are from Oklahoma, and their OK!

This kind of activity seems to be popular with Muslims. Shooting each other after Prayers on Fridays that is.

They should capitalize on this trend by holding Prayer Meetings every day.

Instead of the popular Bingo Nights in America. The Muslims can play Islamic Roulette. A twist of the Russian version. In the Islamic Game, someone else pulls the trigger,

flowerknife_us: I dont know if it would be possible given their weapons. Here is a vid of them 'praying while armed'. (not for the sensitive)

islam is a devil worship and it demand human sacrifice.....if infidels are not in sight it simply make do with its own.

islam is a devil worship and it demands human sacrifice.....if infidels are not in sight it simply make do with its own.

Funny video- A Target awaits Practice.


"The world is 87% sunni and 10% shits and 3% others....Its time the 87 percent wiped out the 10% shits. God, I don't who I hate more, the zionist cross-worshippers or the pagan heretic shits?"

No, Abdullah, the WORLD is NOT 87% sunni etc. You and your ilk only wish it was.The real God , my God, will never allow that to happen. If it was 87% sunni, or 87% muslim of any kind you would all be starving to death in the dark because you and your fellow cultists cannot produce even enough to feed yourselves (tomatoes eccepted)or keep anything running without westerners to do it for you.

40 Die??
That is a start. Couldnt it be more?

It is also quite revealing how this new guest tends to target "whites" with his ire. For it is Hindus,Greeks,Persians,Assyrians,Armenians,Native-Africans who have suffered the most from the yoke of Islam and it is they who are waiting patiently for the pendulum of justice to backswing.

Lame Cherry:
It was just as nuts in Northern Ireland of people who looked the same and spoke the same language murdering each other over religion.

Only an ill-informed American could say that. The war in Northern Ireland since 1971 was sectarian in nature. The fact that they were Protestant or Catholic was just a backdrop to the troubles - it was almost tribal in nature. I never once heard a Provisional IRA member or a UDF member say, "I planted this bomb because my religion motivated me - here are the verses that support that" - in that sense it is quite different from Islam.

Frankly I would like see all the stupid Americans who prior to 9/11 gave money to the IRA without realising they were terrorists spend the rest of their lives incarcerated - it would be justice. It is only post-9/11 is the Provisional IRA, the real IRA, the 32-County Sovreignty movement now realised to be terrorism organisations - as they were all along.
There has never been any acknowldgment of responsibility.

more sunni vrs. shiite good-stuff..


Saturday, April 7, 2007 · Last updated 3:29 a.m. PT

3 arrested in Yemeni mosque fire
By AHMED AL-HAJ
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

SAN'A, Yemen -- Yemeni police arrested three men Saturday suspected of setting fire to a mosque and wounding at least 33 people, six seriously, police said.

Attackers locked the doors of the al-Ameriyah Mosque in Amran, 40 miles north of the capital, San'a, poured fuel over the worshippers and set fire to the building, the Yemeni state news agency Saba reported Friday.

It was not immediately clear if the attack was related to the ongoing conflict between the Sunni-dominated government and Shiite rebels in Saada, a province 110 miles north of the capital.

Amran is predominantly Shiite, but the locals are from the small Zaidi sect, which is closer to Sunni Islam than other Shiite traditions. It was not known if the worshippers attacked on Friday were Sunnis or Shiites.

A Yemeni police official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media, told The Associated Press of Saturday's arrests but did not provide further details.

"Unknown men set fire to the mosque, leaving behind more than thirty-three casualties who were admitted to hospitals in the governorate," said Amran Governor Taha Hajr on Friday, according to Saba.

Saba reported the attack was the third in Amran. In 2001, a man opened fire on worshippers, killing three, and in 2003 a bomb exploded in a mosque killing one man and wounding 50, the news agency said.

Government officials have not linked these previous attacks to the conflict in Saada, where followers of Shiite rebel leader Abdel-Malek al-Hawthi have engaged government forces in fierce fighting that military officials say has killed hundreds of rebels and government troops. The rebels, known as "the Young Faithful Believers," have accused the government of being corrupt and too close to the West.

Yemen, a poor, tribal country at the southern tip of the Arabian Peninsula, is the ancestral homeland of Osama bin Laden, but has been an active participant in the U.S.-led war on terrorism since the September 11 attacks.

Abdullah:
The world is 87% sunni and 10% shits and 3% others....Its time the 87 percent wiped out the 10% shits.

Your figures are wrong. Muslims are no more 20% of the worlds population.

And what would happen if Mohammad came back righ now, and backed the Shia because he intended Ali to succeed him? Then the Sunni would be heretics.

God, I don't who I hate more, the zionist cross-worshippers or the pagan heretic shits?

The religion of hatred.
Why dont you emigrate to Pakistan - make it 100% Islamic? We dont want you in the UK?

Hey Abdullard--Better a cross worshipper than a death worshipper! (we dont worship the cross, we worship the One who survived the cross-have you ever heard about Easter?)

"The world is 87% sunni and 10% shits and 3% others....Its time the 87 percent wiped out the 10% shits. God, I don't who I hate more, the zionist cross-worshippers or the pagan heretic shits?

Posted by: Abdullah "'

...A muslims worst enemy is another muslim.....


...nowhere in the world do you see those evil zionists hunting down the muslims and killing them off....nowhere in the world do you see those evil zionists hunting down killing the muslim teachers and young students..the evil zionists are not killing off the doctors, nurses, ambulance drivers, ice cream men, rubber plantation workers, music listeners, children playing soccer, people watching tv, vacationers, priests, nuns, elderly people, garbage men, mercants and others trying just to live....The evil zionists are not preventing little girls from fleeing a burning school, just because they are covered head to toe in burkas, the evil zionists are not preventing people from earning money and are not trying to control every minute of peoples lives by constantly pounding hate rhetoric into their heads...


....only muslims do such things....It is Islam , stupid...

"just because they are covered head to "

...should be, " just because they are not covered head to toe...

"400 homes and shops of Sunni Muslims had been burned by Shiites."

;....Muslims trying to force each other back into the tent dwelling 7th century.....


Muslims attacking Muslims again....and just why would anyone with a brain want to be a Muslim.....

New video of Abdullah

here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xA9s8MXQQSE