More on this story. "Petraeus: More Iran involvement in Iraq," from United Press International:
WASHINGTON, April 26 (UPI) -- Iran's role in fomenting violence in Iraq is greater than the U.S. military understood even a month ago, Gen. David Petraeus said Thursday.
Iraqi Shiite militia members -- a secret cell of the Jaysh al-Mahdi, which is loyal to cleric Muqtada Sadr -- have received funding, advanced explosives and training on Iranian soil, and "in some cases advice and ... even a degree of direction," Petraeus, the commander of U.S. ground forces in Iraq, said.
"There's no question ... that Iranian financing is taking place through the Quds force of the Iranian Republican Guards Corps," he said.
The U.S. military is holding the leaders of the Khazali cell that in January attacked a U.S. Army team in Karbala, kidnapping four and killing five.
"The Iranian involvement has really become much clearer to us and brought into much more focus during the interrogation of ... the heads of the Khazali network, and some of the key members of that network that have been in detention now for a month or more," Petraeus said.
"We think that records are kept so that the individuals that carry out these attacks can demonstrate what they're doing to those who are providing the resources to them, providing the additional funding, training, arms, ammunition, advanced technologies and so forth," Petraeus said.
However, Petraeus said there was no evidence of a direct link between Iran and the Karbala operation. "I can't say it wasn't there either, but we did not find, if you will, a direct fingerprint to it," he said.
The enemy of our enemy is also our enemy. These aren't normal people, these are muhammadans.
they are their own worst enemies.
Alliances, treaties, reconstruction, agreements, logic, democracy, human rights?
FUGGEDABOUTIT!
General officers are political appointees. Wesley Clark was appointed by Clinton. Petraeus is in place to impose President Bush’s vision. He made promises to get his fourth star and is now in an uncomfortable dance with reality. Note the ‘new’ discoveries since he’s been on the job.
The link is a mid-grade officer bashing the Generals in the Armed Forces Journal. He defines a ‘Long War'.
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2007/05/2635198
Seems VERY strange that General Petraeus is just NOW understanding what all of us on this board have known for some time.
BIG HINT for General Petraeus...
Not only is Iran involved but Russia is the original supplier of weapons. They are getting even for our supplying Bin Laden in Afghanistan.
This is a war between the US and Russia. Russia is on the side of the camel dung in the ME and we are on the side of Israel.
One more thing... There is a war coming with Iran....
.....just in case the General hasn't figured that one out YET. He might want to start getting ready for it.
What Petraeus didn't say is it is Russian GRU and FSB intelligence which set up Karbala for al Qaeda out of Iranian bases used to attack.
We've been screaming this for years now...that of specific outside nations` involvement from the start (wrong-GRU only carried out the actual orders, the BIG dog is CHINA, both through the REAL culprit in all this: the SHANGHAI COOPERATION ORGANIZATION. Read the book UNRESTRICTED WARFARE by their own intelligence officers that laid out theplans in detail), has/had all their earmarks...even biting one on the @$$, & we (our diplodinks) wouldn't come public with it all this time.
Oh, well...better late than never.
Putin would not do that. G Bush looked him the eye's and saw his soul. A fine and honest man...almost pure...someone you can trust.
No it cant be St Putin...
That's the level of our military "intelligence" folks.
And we're going to take on iran? LoL.
The new hitler laughs all the way to his centrifuges.
Could it be any easier for him? bush al-saud's flaccid non-war 'war' next door accomplishing exactly nothing 3300 lives, tens of billions of dollars, and years later.
(Note to Yisrael): It will be effortless for bush al-saud to implement the saudi "peace plan" Final Solution when you aren't there.
NEVER trust the US for anything. Dump the demon team of olmert, peretz, and livni. Strike preemptively.
Death awaits if you don't do all three.
Wow...funny we're on this subject of irans involvement.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070427185225.eephgeaz&show_article=1
I'm sure irans 5th column allies here will spin this, too. Expect it.
"Did he commit the murder? Or did his HAND do it?". It looks like our cowardly government is desperately grappling for excuses not to act against Iran, as did all administrations, Democrat and Republican, starting with Carter. What will it take for this so-called "superpower" to start exersizing its right of self-defence against Iran who has waged a totally one-sided war on the US for 27 years now?
It invaded the US Embassy, a sovereign US territory by the international law, violated diplomatic immunity of the 54 of the US Embassy personnel lawlessly imprisoning them for 1 1/2 years, abused and humiliated them, including parading them and conducting mock executions in violation of Geneva conventions.
It directed Hezbollah, which is nothing but extention of Iran into Lebanon, to blow up 3 US Embassies, to massacre 241 US Marines, to murder many other Americans, to take Americans hostage and keep them for more than 7 years (and everybody thought that Carter's hostage crisis was long!).
One hostage, Peter Kilburn, was executed, two others, William Buckley and William Higgins, tortured to death. Hezbollah videotaped the torture-murders and gleefully sent the videos to the White House, to Reagan and Bush I respectively. Still, no action in response. Indeed, coward Reagan actually awarded Iran and Hezbollah prizes in advanced US weaponry of the terrorists' choice for torturing and murdering Americans.
They hijacked TWA 847 in June '85, right after torturing Buckley to death, terrorizing passengers for 2 weeks. They singled out Robert Stethem for being a US military serviceman. They brutally beat him knocking him down to the floor, then began jumping up and down on his chest breaking all his ribs and causing his chest to collapse, then executed him.
They blew up the Khobar Towers on June 25, 1996 murdering 19 American GI's. One month later, the leader of the murderers, Imad Mugniyah, was spotted traveling on a small unarmed ship Ibn Tufail. The US Navy was ready to take him, but coward Clinton chickened out at the last moment, and canceled the operation! He did not want to worry about Hezbollah going after him and his family after he leaves office!
Both Iran and Hezbollah definitely had a hand in 9/11, while Iraq had nothing to do with it. And yet, Bush II invaded Iraq and courted Iran!
And just last summer, cowards Bush and Rice joined the French in the UN and stopped Israel's war effort rescuing Hezbollah, a serial mass-murderer of Americans!
How do we end up with such cowards in the White House? We desperately need a man in charge in these dangerous times. We hadn't have one since Gerry Ford
lol nothing???
"Salman Pak"
"Gen. David Petraeus said Thursday."
think we all said this frickin years ago!
We all know they've been involved since the beginning...but like I said,better late than never.
(Military personnel are prohibited from calling a spade a spade until cleared by the thought police of political correctness, lest we get called imperial stormtroopers and "paid mercenaries" by militant morons who wouldn't know a police state from sesame street, yet get a fraudulent pass as a news "analyst" like alan arkin did...until he got exposed).
At least more and more proof comes out in the wash as we've also seen today, in addition to months of evidence, against irans blatant involvement.
That wasn't Petraeus` fault...he inherited the mess,just like Bush did (despite his naive foolishness) when he was only in just under 9 months before 9/11 happened (which is insufficient time to do anything significant-ya just can't turn it on/off like a light switch & expect things to suddenly work that fast right off the bat).
Things appear to be coming together (though you'll never hear that from the MSM), so let's see what happens as a result of recent captures and such first.
To file under "No shit Sherlock"
The Iraq debacle has been a godsend to Iran. Let's do a re run
a)We swaggered our way right into their backyard, woofing to the world how tough and mighty we were:
b)The arrogance was such that we didn't bother to learn about the myriad tribes, the faultlines amongst ethnic, religious, national, economic lines: all in a state of flux, and with a titanic vacuum where naughty Sadaam used to be:
c)Then we put our troops on street corners, with no intel, no nothing, standing by, waiting for the IED or sniper's bullet, as they guarded some god forsaken building project.
Let's put it simply.
The Iranians know the area, we don't.
They're as tough as old boots and wily to boot whereas we're lazy, arrogant and riding for a fall.
They can't believe their luck: it's one great big WIN WIN for them and a for us, Iraq will go down as a bigger F up that Vietnam.
Which will be some F up
Just another kool-aid kid echo from such notable kook fringe websites exposed on:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Movement.asp
*yawn*
So the reason the families of the 3,300 odd fallen American servicemen receive from the Pentagon as to why they lost a brother, son, father, etc is along the lines of
"Your ________ ( fill in blank ) died so that the Muslim Brotherhood could become a real force in Sunni areas and so that Iran could take the oil producing south without firing a shot "
Oh, by the way, money was taken from reinforcing the levees at New Orleans so that a school somewhere in the middle of this godforsaken place could be rebuilt.
Your tax dollars at work. Great priorities. Great strategy.
It's always got me how on earth this Iraq debacle - jcom972 ole chap , you seem to be the ONLY person outside of Tehran who thinks it's going swimmingly well - could be claimed as some kind of CONSERVATIVE policy
This is the sort of naive, Utopian, "I'd like to teach the World to sing" crap the Left usually come out with - i.e. very poorly thought through, bombastic and with no plan B just in case things came unstuck - yet we have people claiming to be CONSERVATIVES who think that throwing billions of dollars on a plan whose success lay in the belief that the yokels we've just bombed will be " dancing in the streets" .
Hello Kitty is more streetwise FFS
We got rid of the only real bulwark against IRAN - you have heard of Iran I take it , jcom972 - and to cap it all , The regime in Iraq was hated like poison by the MB and Al Qaeda . So we did their dirty work too.
Which was good of us I suppose in some kind of weird let's-fuck-ourselves-up-the-arse-kind-a-way
And it's cost us 1,000s of live, and when the fianl figures comes through, trillions of dollars.
But jcom thinks this is money and lives well spent.
Hate to disagree , jcom , but I value U.S. and British and Canadian and ________ ( fill in blank ) lives a little higher than that. And if I really had to, I could think of a better way of spending trillions of dollars too.
So I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
Toodle pip
the need to attack iran is even more important, to use the iraq as the bases for attacks is to use your logic. no more tarbaby when the attacks begin on iran from iraq with love.
First, the money for the levees wasn't there because the fine politicians of that fine state were too busy lining their pockets with the cash.
Second, wake up and smell the coffee.
I didn't say it was going swimmingly well...
I did however, in essence, call a spade a spade that leftist takes that echo pravda and other wonderful sites have no room to talk in the matter.
And I am only one of few wasting time speak of it, the majority are silent as they won't gratify such absurdities with a response (among them is my younger brother who is a battalion commander and is THERE), especially londonistaners & their beloeved heroes like johnny pilger, especially those who have such a swimmingly good record themselves with, say, northern ireland!
Enjoy your kool-aid...bottoms up, "ol' chap".
;-)
Basra`s had iranian backed millitia for the past two years and he has just realised that armouredinnerjacket is stirring the shit,somebody tell David Petraeus to get his thumb out of his ass it is a bit bloody obvious
Interesting - and slightly puzzling - reply, jcom. So I take it - from you're lack of response - that you dothink Western servicemen really should be giving their lives so that schools and mosques and bridges and ________ ( fill in civic amenity here ) can be built in the Middle East. And , you seem to think that all that money that's been spent on those glorious Iraqi civic amneties was money well spent.
Wow !!!!! Even leftists aren't that full of self hatred.
As to what you wrote, a slight lack of any argument, jcom972, essentially you're saying you're right because
a) many leftists oppose the war
and
b) your brother's there
Let's look at a)
Yes, many leftists do oppose the war, BUT, I'm not going to base all my beliefs on simply doing the opposite of what the left support. Occasionally I'll agree with them and more often than not, I won't . What's so wrong about that?
Can't you all get it into your brains still? We got rid of the guy who was detested by both the Iranians and MB!!!!!!!
How f*&^%%g dumb was that FFS
b) well all I can say about that is I hope your brother comes home alive and unwounded.
Do you really, in your heart of hearts, think he should be risking his life just so that f&^%^&g mosques or school or bridge or ________ ( fill in civic amenity here ) and democracy can be built in Iraq???????? Really??????
I hate to tell you this , but DEMOCRACY is the WORRST possible thing you could give the Middle East. The WORST possible thing. Even worse that reality TV.
Are you reall that f*&^&*g naive?!?!?!???!?!??
Finally you wrote "londonistaners & their beloeved heroes like johnny pilger, especially those who have such a swimmingly good record themselves with, say, northern ireland"
Yes, London has WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many Muslims, but I really don't think that building schools in IRAQ is going to help on that matter. Fall asleep in the logic classes too?
And then you mention NORTHERN IRELAND?!?!?!?!!?
Sorry, there are very few Muslims in Northern Ireland. Really, I've been there. And the connection between ULSTER and IRAQ being what?
Quizzical expression
p.s. Kool Aid ?????????????
I know UKathiest:
"Basra`s had iranian backed millitia for the past two years and he has just realised that armouredinnerjacket is stirring the shit,somebody tell David Petraeus to get his thumb out of his ass it is a bit bloody obvious"
It's a F*&^&*G disaster.
And all that laughing you're hearing? Why, it's coming from the direction of Tehran.
I swear, these NEOCONS really are a bunch of trendy lefties. I know that rumour's been doing the rounds for many a year - many of the leading lights in amongst the NEOCONS were trendy yank-hating-lefties at uni - but they still have this "worldwde revolution zeal" about them.
This was/is their plan for IRAQ.
"We'll give them democracy and they'll love us"
MORONS
The naivety is beyong anything, anything, since........
Taki's top drawer has the NeoCon's down perfectly
Ah, case in point for fans of the bolshevik broadcasting corporation (BBC), among other kook fringe sources masquerading as "news", such as:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Movement.asp
There are more fitting forums of truculence, which these wonderful folks have sought to engage in, than here.
lol@ "morons" Nothing like pot calling the kettle black. (if a "ps" inquiry is needed for that one, too, then go back to school...you flunked 3rd grade)
Case in point for my discussion regarding symptoms of narcissism (namely, projection) elsewhere in the forum...nothing like having my point proven for me.
NEXT???!!!
Oh, by the way, a close friend of mine, John Cook, Captain, Royal Navy, laughed at your takes after seeing it, citing (what was it he called it?)...
"ninnyhammers"?
Haven't heard that one in quite some time.
Enjoy!
;-)
Hilarious, jcom, you really do think Western soldiers duty is to bring "democracy" to the Middle East.
Oh, deary me, that's funny.
You NeoCons!
P.S. Really, what is Kool Aid?
From jcom "(if a "ps" inquiry is needed for that one, too, then go back to school...you flunked 3rd grade)"
A couple of points, jcom"Western soldiers' duty is to protect construction projects in the ME and to build democracy there"972
I've just googled "Kool Aid" , and it's a SOFT DRINK. A F*&^&G SOFT DRINK!
So in the States you "flunk" "grades" if you don't know your carbonated beverages?
At my school we learned Maths.
Trust you NEOCONS to value being "au fait" with latest in non alcoholic drinks.
From the same people who were surprised when the Iraqis didn't welcome us with open arms.
SHOCKED, SHOCKED THE NEO CONS WERE. POSITIVELY SHOCKED THEY WERE.
Beyond irony.
No...as I said elsewhere, two purposes...
1) kill bad guys
2) trash their wares
nothing else.
Thanks to political correctness wonks use it for other reasons which they weren't designed, but that's not the issue.
I responded to and parked truculence and idiocy.
And I am a registered DEMOCRAT (equivalent to to the British labour party, SURPRISE!), and have been all my life. I didn't change- they simply moved that far left.
So much for the bogus "neo-con" accusation.
(if you don't know what "bogus" is, then it won't do any good offering a new beverage besides the kool-aid that simply isn't making it with you... look it up yourself, I'm not your wetnurse).
Now I know what shakespeare meant by
"me thinks he doth protest too much!".
*yawn*
Did Shakespeare drink Kool Aid too?
Hey, here's an idea, maybe if we give the Muslims demAAAAAAAcracy AND Kool Aid - patent pending - they'll stop trying to kill us and instead start drinking Kool Aid - copyright reserved
You know, just like third "graders" do
Maybe that was the flaw in the NEOCONS argument for invading Iraq? We'd forgotten to factor in the Kool Aid alongside the mosque building and road repairs.
F*&*(^G KOOL AID
You NEOCONS!
Altogether now:
"WE'VE GIVEN THEM DEMOCRACY AND THEY STILL HATE US. MOPE MOPE MOPE. WHY DON'T THEY LIKE US. BOO HOO HOO."
What's your favourite Kool Aid - trademark - flavour?
Mine's roast hedgehog flavour.
Oh my gosh, where are my manners?
Do I need to "enlighten" you as to what "jcom" stands for? It's a military term, from my last duty station. JOINT OPERATIONS COMMAND.
It was my job, until i retired...but got called back because some lunatics flew planes into buildings and ruined my permanent vacation.
Now I freelance for them since I'm not bound by chain of command, nor restrained by the leftists I once had to work under, nor constrained by political correctness which is killing the entire western world.
I have friends and family in the sandbox...both of them, and they are saying the same thing I am, that of the leftist press lying like the lying liars they really are.
So get a clue,a life and a reality check...it won't help your poltical agenda any, but it will help you avoid another quagmire you got yourself into.
Have a nice day!
;-)
Oh the irony.
jcom "I believe we have a moral duty to pour untold billions and 1,000's of lives into giving Iraq democracy"972 lectured naughty l'il ole me on "projection" and here comes the wee lad with this nugget of pure 100% "projection" for the uses of.
"It will help you avoid another quagmire you got yourself into"
fnarr fnarr
It's what happens when schools teach "grade 3" kids on the various carbonated soft drinks instead of teaching Maths
Neo Cons and Kool Aid.
Hilarious!
http://www.kraftfoods.com/koolaid/
fnarr fnarr
If I didn't know any better I'd swear that was a echoed regiurgitated sqwawking point of that of londonistan mayor, ken "red" livingtone, not that it's surprising since substantive discussion isn't your goal, nor was to begin with.
If this is the best you have left, then knock yourself out. Vladimir Posner did better, and he lost too.
Just when you started to make some sense with the later thread on bosnia...*tsk* *tsk*.
*yawn*
You ARE aware that Iraq's Constitution is based on the Quran, aren't you?
And you think it was worth it? All those body bags coming back ? All those billions ?
You really can't see it
I'll spell it out for you, reeeeeeeeeally slooooooowly and siiiiiiiiiiimply.
US. Servicemen. Giving. Their. lives. So. That. The. New. Constitution. Was. Based. On. The. Koran.
And you're happy with that.
Here's why so many US / UK / etc servicemen gave their lives. And I won't even mention the 100's of billions either. Whoops, too late
"Article (2):
1st — Islam is the official religion of the state and is a basic source of legislation
(a) No law can be passed that contradicts the undisputed rules of Islam
Way to go, jcom.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo smart.
Wow, loaded questions...ok, I'll bite...
1) yes
2) yes so far, no we need to get tougher, and stop fighting politicaly correct wars. The jury's still out on it so "was" is premature.
3) "All those body bags"...hmmm, we lose 3 times more per year by illegal invaders murdering our people than troops killed in iraq, coupled with loss rates from previous wars, that term is a grossly overblown.
4) Billions, they need to be far more accounted for than what they are now, but that wasn't an issue in this thread, nor was most of the loaded questions.
I see perfectly (including things you don't have access to-it's my job, unfortunate you can't see them, lest you'd feel pretty foolish, but no matter), including your absurd attempts to save face. Not even a good try...sad.
Don't put words in my mouth like most leftists do-
I didn't say that I was happy, you did.
"assumptions are the mother of all f**kups"...and you assume a great deal.
But don't fret...you may just save your own with your bosnia posts above.
;-)
AMAZING. Effing amazing.
So the best you can say when asked if it was worth it for US servicemen ( and from many other countries too ) , to give their lives so that a country can adopt the Quran as it's Constitution is
a)"yes so far"
You're a f*&^^&*g disgrace.
and then the ever so lame
b) "I didn't say that I was happy"
That's it? You're "not happy"???????
That's the best you can do???????
You're "not happy??????????
How about being F*&^%&G appalled ??????????? F&*&^&G outraged ?????????
I swear you NeoCons will be the death of us all. You're all as ignorant as pigshit I swear.
Go and read some PaleoCon websites and try to be a little less "NOT HAPPY"
http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/
FFS
One more thing, toodle f*&^&*g pip.
lol
Emo(tional) leftists...love 'em.
"all those body bags" is an emo(tional) response more appropriate to events like school massacres in beslan & virginia tech.
Only a neo-COM would use such misleading term in such an out of context manner.
Our military forces volunteered &knew what they were getting into.
Body bags tend to be common with military events, it cannot be avoided. gee, what a shock...only to unlearned wannabes like you who can't fathom the fact that troops tedn to die in conflicts (forgetting the fact that compared to other wars like vietnam, which your peers love to invoke, the loss rate is about 10% of 'nams-so save your pahblum pontifications that are so blatantly leftist-indoctrinated a blind man can see it coming a mile away. Projectionism is a mental disorder so anything coming from you is a laugh.
Your pathetically lame attempts to dwell on diversionaries tosave your own face, what little the is if it sugests you may want to seek help for that malignant narcissistic personality disorder you obviously suffer (save that of being a british soccer firm member-they seem to have the same mentality, too).
You miss the point...and the boat.
You're not interested in discussion...your aim is to bolster what you already want to believe and seek sympathy for it...not going to happen.
Take your "firm" mentality elsewhere.
I'm happy just watching you dance, since obviously you don't know any better:
This was a PITHing contest, not pissing contest.
Feel free to pet your ego at your own peril, and ignorance. I grow weary at trying to argue with a total moron, calling another a moron (another projectionistic symptom of narcissism you need to seek help for).
Oh, and if you don't know what that means either, then I'll say this slowly, for YOU:
Go...grow...some...hair...on...your..balls...you... ignoramic...twit, AND...some...brains...as...you're...so...open...minded...your...brains...fell...OUT.
I've dealt with truculent twits like this decades ago...and I'm still here...hey're not.
*yawn*
3,000 Yank lives lost just so that another country can live by SHARIA LAW
and jcom thinks - quote - " it was worth it"
And now Mensa brain jcom thinks that the Chronicles mag is a leftist publication.
LOL as some would say
And it doesn't stop there. He thinks he simply can't be a NEOCON because he's a democrat. Hey dumbkopf , NEOCONS aren't solely in the Republican party.
Mind you, what do you expect from someone who went to a school where people failed if they didn't know what "KOOL AID" was.
From jcom972 "It was worth having an QURAN BASED CONSTITUTION IN IRAQ at the cost of 3,000 plus Western soldiers' lives"
YOU REALLY ARE A F*&^%^G DISGRACE
From jcom "I grow weary at trying to argue with a total moron, calling another a moron"
snigger
LMAO
Thank you oswald mosley...or is it lord haw haw?
Such disparaging vitrol coming from the "enlightened" leftist likes of you (been called much worse by lunatics with much better skills, yet still lost), that's a badge of homor.
When the lilliputians bitch and moan, we know we're doing it right.
That's the difference between us...I think about it, you feel about it. Logic wins every time.
Your lame attempts at diverting the crux of the original point (no, not referring to your head either) into some pissing contest-a skill worthy of a soccer firm goon is beyond absurd & you didn't even know it, and you blew your cover the moment you used the term coined by neo-COMs, "neo-con" (there nothing neo about conservatism)...after that, your words became "blah blah blah", classic of such "enlightened" kook sites like (sp)indymedia, which you echo all the sqwawking points of, thus not fooling anyone.
And if all you have left is this continuing drivel of gutter snipery, then you definitely need to see a doc about that malignant narcissistic personality disorder...I don't get that low, so your lilliputian world is still safe...since nobody wants it.
You may now resume your echoed-from-your-militant-leftist-professor swawking at your own desire...and your own peril.
Absolutely amusing...lol
When told that the Iraqi Constitution is based on the Quran , which it seems is news to Mr logic jcom , and then asked
"Do you think it was worth it? All those body bags coming back ? All those billions ?"
our resident Einstein confidently replied
quote"yes so far"unquote
I'm still laughing over you mistaking "The Chronicles" for a Communist website.
But in your favour, you really do know your Kool Aid history.
Credit where it's due.
Ah, case-in-point on the truculent trolls mental "projection" disorder...lol
Nothing like having my case rested for me by the source.
LOL
Oh, another oxyMORON from Mr "self styled thinker" , jcom
He thinks i'm a "soccer hooligan" but that I'm also "too open minded"
Hmmmmmmmm!
An open minded footy hooligan?
Hilarious.
You do live in a rather confusing cloud cuckoo land.
Still laughing that you think that US servicemen should be giving their lives so that more countries live under a Koran based Constitution yet you post on Jihadwatch.
I really don't think that kind of thinking goes down too well here. Maybe there's a Muslim Brotherhood website somewher for you.
lol...again, he insists on proving my point.
Didn't say he was a soccer holligan, only that he has the mentality of one-typical, so typical. LOL
Oh, man, I know several psychiatrists that would love to study this prime specimen of malignant narcissisting personality disorder.
Absolutely classic! lmao
You haven't explained to us mere mortals WHY you think it's the duty of infidel soldiers to give their lives so that Islamic law may flourish.
3,000 soldiers died so that Islamic law could be introduced as the BASIS for Iraq's constitution.
You said you had no problem with that, so I'm asking, WHY do you think it's a great trade off.
I think Iraq's a disaster wrapped in a debacle inside an all too classic fuck up.
You on the other hand think it's all been "worth it"
Any chance at giving us mere mortals some illumination on this matter, oh wise sage?
"I know several psychiatrists "
snigger
@ewha1
The reason jcom972 defends the Iraqi trainwreck is that once upon a time jcom972 was gungho about invading Iraq. He bought the Bush-bullshit hook, line and sinker.
There are none so blind as those who will not see. And their motto might as well be:
Once gungho always gungho!
Some people are never wrong. Some people never sing off key. Some people's shit don't stink. You know the type.
LMAO...
...and pots continue to call the kettle black!
Absolutely classic projectionism!
Putin would not do that. G Bush looked him the eye's and saw his soul. A fine and honest man...almost pure...someone you can trust.
No it cant be St Putin...
Posted by: duh_swami
That's just what Reagan said about Bin LAden or some other taliban type he had in the White House long ago.. they are fine upstanding religious freedom fighters.
ROFLMAO!!!
I remember thinking WHAT an IDIOT this Reagan is!
So how can we blame Russia for settling the score for Afghanistan?
I am onbe of the few on here who likes Russia. I am glad SOMEONE in Europe is tough. We don;t have many to choose from. All we have is decadent multiculti PC nuts and Sozis all over.
Meanwhile Turks and others are building up underground gangs and intimidating our judiciary.
GO RUSSIA!
No, jcom, that "answer" does really mean anything.
What I asked was very simple, yet you're having a great difficulty in coming up with an answer.
I asked you to justify the lives of 3,000 yank soldiers , a couple of hundred brit squaddies and ________ ( fill in nationality ) and in return what we got for that is a CONSITUTION BASED ON THE KORAN.
You previously said quote"it's all been worth it"unqoute , yet you've yet to explain WHY you think it's been worth it.
You do understand what a question is don't you?
So how can you justify the loss of so many infidel soldiers lives when the only outcome has been the spreading of Islam?
Why are you simply unable to post any meaningful reply.
Good point Allahfanclo.
Yes, I think you're right,Ynkedoodl, it's pretty obvious.
The US generals under then Chief of staff Shinseki were aghast when the NeoCon politicos basically ignored all their advice. I mean, what do army generals know of war? Fucking NEOCONS
It was your typical NEOCON vs PALEOCON fight. The Paleocons were quietly spoken, modest and knew their stuff: the Neocons were braggarts , arrogant and lazy like fuck.
Rumsfeld even started to question the TPDP - typical NEOCON arrogance and ignorance - America's might comes from it's huge logisitical base FFS . Strategic military genius Rumsfeld thought that was all old hat and that anyway NEOCON doctrine laid down that everyone just loves Westerners. After all, naughty Saddam was a naughty boy, so QED.
The NeoCon politicos couldn't be bothered about actually reading about the country you're going to friggin' bomb. Learning about tribes ( that's where the real power lies in these ME countries , the tribal leaders call the shots ), cultures , local politics , religions , history , neighbouring nationalities .
Far too messy .
Let's just pretend that everybody loves us .
The NeoCons said the Iraqis would be dancing in the streets. They were half right: every time an infidel soldier got a bullet in the neck, THEN they danced.
Any chance of a meaningful answer, JCOM? If you give me something, anything that even comes close to answering my question I promise I won't point out how many psychiatrists you know.
Promise
That should have been TPFD of course.
Yes, Ynkdoodle, well put.
"The reason jcom972 defends the Iraqi trainwreck is that once upon a time jcom972 was gungho about invading Iraq. He bought the Bush-bullshit hook, line and sinker"
So he thinks politicos , like dubya and cheney , know more about fighting a war than the generals?
Fuck! jcom really must be thick.
But to his credit he knows his Kool Aid and also knows "many psychiatrists"
snigger
allah:
Putin has his own "czar" agenda, but that's his business.
I disagree on your reagan take but agree that he & bushs demostrated naivete` didn't help at all (frankly it was laughable of it wasn't so pathetic).
Enough about that one...
I agree, settling a score in afghanistan on putins part is highly doubtful...frankly even I think it's absurd,as he has more pressing issues.
I myself ambivalent on russia (in general) after some of their actions of the past that didn't help things, but that's "spilled milk" now (though when it comes to chechnya & others like that, I personally wouldn't give a rats @$$ if the russians wiped 'em out).
(oh, point of curiosity...based on your comment on turks & their antics, would that place you in Germany? strictly curious...thanks).
btw-finally, an admission even the ny slimes couldn't deny, let alone spin, & begrudgingly stated:
GOOD NEWS IN ANBAR
By Ed Morrissey
Just as the Democrats have raised the white flag on Iraq, the New York Times reports that the surge strategy has started paying off in Anbar. Shops have reopened, people have moved back, and everyone's challenging the insurgents except Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi (via Memeorandum):
Anbar Province, long the lawless heartland of the tenacious Sunni Arab resistance, is undergoing a surprising transformation. Violence is ebbing in many areas, shops and schools are reopening, police forces are growing and the insurgency appears to be in retreat.
“Many people are challenging the insurgents,” said the governor of Anbar, Maamoon S. Rahid, though he quickly added, “We know we haven’t eliminated the threat 100 percent.”
Many Sunni tribal leaders, once openly hostile to the American presence, have formed a united front with American and Iraqi government forces against Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia. With the tribal leaders’ encouragement, thousands of local residents have joined the police force. About 10,000 police officers are now in Anbar, up from several thousand a year ago. During the same period, the police force here in Ramadi, the provincial capital, has grown from fewer than 200 to about 4,500, American military officials say.
At the same time, American and Iraqi forces have been conducting sweeps of insurgent strongholds, particularly in and around Ramadi, leaving behind a network of police stations and military garrisons, a strategy that is also being used in Baghdad, Iraq’s capital, as part of its new security plan.
Life has not yet returned to normal, nor even close to it. Infrastructure still has yet to be rebuilt, and the loyalty of America's new allies still remains uncertain. What does appear certain is that this former stronghold of Ba'athist resentment no longer wants to exist in a cycle of oppression, liberation, and destruction. They want to end the fighting by eliminating the insurgents.
The question will be whether they stick with that in the face of an imminent American withdrawal. It has taken four years for Anbar to understand that Sunni domination in Iraq has ended and will not return, neither in the guise of Saddam Hussein nor in a military junta ruled by Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, the chief Ba'athist dead-ender. Now that they have finally pulled together with the US to oppose the increasingly lunatic al-Qaeda terrorists, we have lost the will to fight the insurgents ourselves -- or at least Congress has.
Government buildings and hotels are being rebuilt in Ramadi. Even the New York Times reports that violence has swiftly fallen in the region. Last summer, Ramadi had 25 terrorist attacks a day, and now it has dropped to four -- still too many, but with the expanded police force holding territory for the first time since the liberation, the momentum has clearly shifted. American troops have turned to civil-affairs work, trying to kick-start the rebuilding effort that will secure some semblance of peace among the Sunnis.
The growing security forces rely on the Americans to assist them in getting the terrorists that everyone wants driven out of Iraq. Without us, they would have to sue for terms with the AQI lunatics that would have them divided and fighting amongst themselves. If we leave now, we will destroy all of the work we have done to reach this point -- when even the Times acknowledges that we have finally begun to set the stage for success in Anbar and elsewhere in Iraq.
Sunday, April 29, 2007
'Nuf se(My brother who is right in the thick of it, tells me what he sees & what the news pahblum reports are two dramatically different things. I'll take his version over the MSM every time. It's accurate-theirs is not.
;-)
So that's it?
That poor excuse for a friggin' article?
That's why you supported those NeoCon politico air heads over the Army generals?
You really did believe that loudmouth clowns like dubya or Cheney knew more about fighting a modern war than the quietly spoken , thoughtful , Shinsekis of this world didn't you?
So this is why 3,000 GIs are dead ?
That's why all those billions were and are being siphoned off domestic agendas - Yeah , great use of taxpayers bucks , let's build some friggin' roads in the middle of the friggin' ME desert and in the process make Iran and MB even more powerful.
Wooooooah! Great plan
BTW Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel Prize-winning economist came to a slightly large $2 trillion final budget?
That's a 2 followed by a zillion "0"s folks.
F*&k medicare , f*&k new schools , f@#k better industry, f*&k tax cuts, let's give it all to pie in the sky projects in la la land.
And all that money and all those body bags and all those paralysed vets later, this is what we friggin' get.
"we have finally begun to set the stage for success"
Read it and weep folks.
Who said those NeoCons don't deliver?
Yippee! It's all been worth it. Let's open the champers. I'm sure those Al Qud forces are quaking in their boots now. I can see Bin Laden raising the white flag as we speak.
I love the "finally" then the phrase "set the stage".
Let's be honest, that's bullshit talk for "We're fucked"
You f*&*(*g NeoCons , I swear you believe your own bullshit. Typical swaggering braggarts that you are.
Some wonderfully unintentional "No shit Sherlock" moments too
"the loyalty of America's new allies still remains uncertain"
Altogether now , "No shit Sherlock"
LMAO
Michael Moore, anyone?
LMAO
without the use of terror, Islam dies...
jcom, you've yet to answer WHY you think it's been worth it.
Nothing .
It's about the 5th time and you've been completely unable to come up with a reason WHY it's been worth it
The two biggest winners out of this Iraq misadventure have been Saudi Arabia and Iran.
How is this "worth it" ?
To be honest , I'm a little disappointed . Especially after you proclaimed yourself to be a quote unquote thinker
So, once more, jcom
Could you tell us mere mortals, WHY it's been worth it
I have faith in you , jcom. You can do it, really you can.
And try not to just spam entire articles . You don't want to be compared with Moron Spamclair now do you.
So pretty pretty please:
Why oh why is it all "worth it"
The first time you were asked you started talking about "pots and kettles" . The second time you talked abut Putin. Then you spammed an entire article about building projects in Iraq, and now then you started to talk about Michael Moore.
All those subjects are of course , fascinating, jcom, and we all applaud you for bringing them up BUT they don't actually answer the question now do they?
A cynic would suggest you're stuck. But I'm not cynic , I know you have an answer. Somewhere. confound all those sceptics, jcom.
So, chop chop, lad, you can do it, really you can.
"Why has it all been worth it?
Pretty pretty pretty please.