This is a hate crime. No ifs, ands, or buts. Bacon and a rude message about Muhammad in a Qur'an? Oh, that's a hate crime for sure. Why, this story says it all: Muslims don't just eschew eating pork, but bacon is "offensive" to them. Offensive.
But how about writing "death to Israel" on the wall of a synagogue? Oh, that's only possibly a hate crime. Someone could have written that out of love, you see.
"Clarksville Muslims experience hate crime: Defaced Quran found at center," by Nate Karlin in the Tennessean, with thanks to all who sent this in:
CLARKSVILLE — Jerome Heath hadn't even heard of a hate crime in Clarksville in the seven years he's lived here.That changed Friday.
That day, just two hours before the Islamic Center of Clarksville held its 1 p.m. prayer service, called Jummah, a Quran was found vandalized on the front steps.The front of the Quran, Islam's holy book, read "Mohammad pedophile." An expletive was written inside, smeared under two strips of bacon, according to a Clarksville police report. The report labeled the incident a hate crime.
Bacon is offensive to Muslims because they are forbidden from eating pork.
"We were upset. Actually, some of us were outraged, but everyone was upset," said Heath, a representative of the center.
"We see it a lot on the news in Nashville (be-cause) Nashville has a large Muslim population. But here in Clarksville — being a lot smaller (and) being very diverse with Fort Campbell — it was the last we thing we expected."...
Heath said police told him they would contact the FBI and send out more patrols to monitor the center. Surveillance cameras have since been installed.
Islam is a hate crime
As you sew, so shall you reap.
Doesnt make it right.
Just makes it a fact of life.
Robert
How do you expect Muslims to react? Of course some Muslims will be offended by this act. While, I wouldn't consider it a hate crime necessarily, do you honestly expect Muslims not to react negatively? The act was clearly intended to offend Muslims.
While this certainly isnt the same as a Muslim hate crime of scrawling anti-Semitic graffiti. I do not see anything patently unreasonable about the reaction here, that would render it deserving of criticism.
Not a hate crime, but certainly understandable and not unreasonable that some Muslims would be offended. Personally, it does not offend me. I'm more concerned about people within Islam harming Islam.
Cheers
Thomas
I'm more concerned about people within Islam harming Islam.
Cheers
Thomas
Posted by: Haidon at April 11, 2007 07:44 AM
Who exactly would those people be?
Thomas:
My post is about the eagerness of the Tennessee police to classify this a hate crime, while the Chicago cops hesitate to classify the desecration of the synagogue as a hate crime.
Cordially
Robert
Robert could speak for himself but I think his point is that this was immediately labelled a hate crime whereas the more violent message on a synagogue was not. Nobody doubts that Muslims would be offended by the act described; regular readers know that Mulsims are very easily offended. They do however find it very hard to accept that they can give offense.
And I totally agree with the hypocrisy with labeling anything that offends Muslims as a hate crime but the caution of hate grafitti on synagogues as a hate crime.
Bacon is offensive to Muslims because they are forbidden from eating pork
So, how is it "offensive" exactly? Where in all the foolishness of ahadith and kran are bacon products deemed offensive.
Because, you know, Jewish folks also are "forbidden" from eating swine, but I just can't remember the last incident of Jews becoming "outraged" by bacon.
Robert, I respectfully demur--this is an offensive act, but it is not, in any sense, a crime punishable by law. For a more impassioned rejection of the term "hate crime" as used in this case, I refer to Dymphna at GatesofVienna:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/04/bacon-new-hate-crime.html
Maybe I should read more carefully next time.
Are people not allowed to buy a book and do what they like with it then?
If people are offended it's their problem. Although the person responsible should be prosecuted for littering, that's all he should be prosecuted for.
Of course this is a hate crime! Someone obviously doesn't like pigs very much if they can insert a strip of perfectly good bacon into a Quran.
And I say this as a stricly kosher kitchen operator.
Maybe I should read more carefully next time.
Posted by: Haidon at April 11, 2007 08:16 AM
So who are those in Islam that harm Islam?
Lurker:
I suspect you missed my sarcasm.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Does this mean the "artist" that did the "piss christ" exibit and the "mary in dung" exibit will be charged with a hate crime?
Before we know it bacon will be banned from stores or kept behind closed doors because it may offend those muslim free thinkers.
Mr. Spencer is exactly correct, a hate crime label promptly stamped on an incident involving Muslims as victims, as opposed to the reluctance to label as a hate crime any incident that involves Muslims as the perpetrators. I think back at JW's many reports of physical violence, shootings, stabbings, road rage, where a Muslim is clearly the perpetrator, in some incidents, is even quoted repeating a religious declaration, and still, the law enforcement authorities will not stamp these horrific acts as 'hate crimes.' One of the latest incidents that I have in mind is the St. Valentine's massacre at the Salt Lake City mall by the 18 year old Bosnian Muslim who had recently becomes more 'active' at the nearby mosque. As for the Clarksville incident, it is regrettable. I do not support acts such as that; however, it is small blimp on the police radar screen and should be treated as such. The police, even in small towns, have much more serious issues to deal with on a daily basis. They should not be forced to waste hundreds of man hours looking for someone who defaced a book.
""We were upset. Actually, some of us were outraged, but everyone was upset," said Heath, a representative of the center."
....so too, were the family members of the ice cream vendor, the rubber tree plantation worker, the barber, the journalist, the teacher, the student, the ambulance driver, and the garbage collector...
... "mary in dung" exibit will be charged with a hate crime?
Excellent point, which of course is completely oblivious to most "free speech" liberals....
About 12 years ago, my car and those of two others, were covered in paint and scrawled on with Stars of David and the words "Jews Burn" when parked over night in our synagogue car park. Was I offended? Certainly. Did we go whining to the press or call in MI5? Er... no. When you're Jewish you learn that this kind of sh*t is par for the course, so much so that yearning for the day when we will be free from this kind of stuff is a central theme of our religion.
Muslims have always wanted to be like the Jews, well they are now beginning to learn what it's like - but will they learn sufferance, forbearance and fortitude as we have had to as a defenceless minority in a sea of hostility...? Don't hold your breath; flying off the handle is more in line with Mohammed's example.
... "mary in dung" exibit will be charged with a hate crime?
Excellent point, which of course is completely oblivious to most "free speech" liberals....
Posted by: adobe at April 11, 2007 08:41 AM
Its more like free speech for some. Kinda like the Imus situation. He is a bad guy but Rosie can spout vile stuff everyday. Not that I am a fan of Imus. I just disagree with double standards. Like the Christians are fair game but we cant offend Muslims.
Well, it was a little thick...
like the mayo on my BLT...
But I did miss it.
Oh, and...
The front of the Quran, Islam's holy book, read "Mohammad pedophile." An expletive was written inside, smeared under two strips of bacon, according to a Clarksville police report. The report labeled the incident a hate crime.
Expression of an opion considered hateful under sharia, sure. But a crime, not necessarily, the property that was defaced (a copy of the koran) belonged to the perp didn't it? So if the book and the bacon belonged to the perp, and if there was no trespass into the mosque's property or defacing of mosque property, where exactly is the crime?
I wonder how far apart Clarksville and Collierville are?
BTW they didn't label the cabbie versus college student backing up incident a hate crime did they?
That was in Tenn. also.
If the surveillance cameras had been in place earlier, I wonder who they would have caught on tape?
I sometimes think these things are self-inflicted.
For one thing, how many local yokels here in the South even know about the bacon deal? Or can spell pedophile?
What is the "crime" part of this? Was the book or bacon stolen? Can one not buy a book now and do with it as he pleases, or is it now illegal to add bacon and marginalia? Is the mosque not a public place? At most, the person who left the book was littering, but that opens to door to saying that political or advertising pamphlets cannot be left in public places, either.
It was a rude act and no doubt an unproductive way to criticize Islam, but I am quite serious when I ask what crime was committed.
Thats the other good point. How can one be charged with defacing a book that you own?
Is CAIR P***ed off?
http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=2676&theType=NR
Yep!
"The front of the Quran, Islam's holy book, read "Mohammad pedophile." An expletive was written inside, smeared under two strips of bacon".
- from article
Maybe this as done out of love, also.
Perhaps the person responsible wanted to share his fondness for bacon with Muslims and also express his approval that Mohammed was a pedophile.
Unfortunately, we don't know the context or content of the "expletive".
Perhaps it was used in the context of emphasis of approval, eg. "bloody good job, Whoa, a religion for pedophiles, where can I sign up :)".
And why would Muslims express outrage that Mohammed is described as a pedophile when their very own respected texts describe him so?
Tabari VII:7 "The Prophet married Aisha in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadija. At the time she was six." Ishaq:281 "When the Apostle came to Medina he was fifty-three."
Tabari IX:131 "My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought in while the Messenger was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. Then the men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old."
Why on earth would Muslims become outraged over bacon in a Qur'an and not be outraged at the never ending list of atrocities committed in the name of Allah all over the world, every day?
Would it surprise anyone to find out that this 'offensive' act had been committed by Muslims themselves?
Just another 'hate crime' to add the ever growing list!
Was it the Jimmy Dean brand?
I know the Purnell brand is made with Qu'ran-free ingredients. and it's ..umm..umm..good.
What if it was turkey bacon? Would that have been ok?
Seems it may turn out to be a healthy 'shock art' display whether or not people realize it as such. I read part of the thread on the Tennessee page and it seems a number of people are wondering just why someone would right pedophile on the Quran. We all know the majority of people in the west have a lot to learn about the religion of peace.
Certainly an offensive act, but exactly what crime is involved? I'd think a person has just as much right to vandalize a Quran (assuming it's his or her property) as to put on exhibit a crucifix in urine, which as far as I recall was never prosecuted as a hate crime against Christians.
Littering, maybe?
another thought..could the bacon have simply been a page marker. i sometimes insert a piece of bacon in my qu'ran so i remember where i left off reading.
Did they have to hire an infidel to remove said book with bacon?...
auntbea
You are correct about the cabbie vs. student not being called a hate crime. As a matter of fact the Tennessean wouldn't report that he was a muslim. That came out later from the 'shocked' people that knew him.
elric 66
"Does this mean the "artist" that did the "piss christ" exibit and the "mary in dung" exibit will be charged with a hate crime?"
bloody good point!!! why has no one prosecuted the artist? but you are correct, even the name is offensive to christians yet no "hate crime".
WTF.. moslems in **TENNESSEE** now? Not even the South is safe from this vermin? I am a bit surprised the mayor is going to meet with the moskers on behalf of bacon being wasted on a "book" that isn't worth wiping my shoes on.
bloody good point!!! why has no one prosecuted the artist? but you are correct, even the name is offensive to christians yet no "hate crime".
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer at April 11, 2007 09:35 AM
Welcome to the wonderful world of double standards.
You're damn right it's a hate crime! Wasting perfectly wholesome bacon strips on filthy trash. There should be a law against it.
All I could do was laugh!
I love it. They try to kill us - nothing oh and let us not say that it was a muslim who did the deed, but if someone leaves pig meat around them - OH MY GAWD!! The SKY IS FALLING! Put the person in jail for life and if it were up to them - behead them after a bit of torture.
FABULOUS point Elric66 re: 'piss Christ' and 'Mary in dung' ...
We see 'artists' degrading and offending Christians all the time w/ these sort of 'art exhibits' and Christians never riot in the streets, burn cars and flags, and blow people up because of it.
Why don't or haven't EVER seen an 'artist' degrading and offending muslims this same way?
Personally, I think 'bacon koran' should be an 'art exhibit' featured right alongside 'piss Christ' and 'Mary in dung' and 'chocolate Jesus'.
I would bet that the 'bacon koran' exhibit would be pulled before the showing, because, of course, the threats they would receive. However, I think this would make an amazing statement, and it MUST be done right alongside something offensive to Christians.
Why has no forward-thinking 'artist' done this yet ?
Muslims are forbidden from eating pork unless they are hungery,
Can you vandalise your own shit? I dont think so.
smann@clarksvillepd.org
clarksville PD
Bibles in Mecca?
I recommend emailing this link to the PD
FABULOUS point Elric66 re: 'piss Christ' and 'Mary in dung' ...
We see 'artists' degrading and offending Christians all the time w/ these sort of 'art exhibits' and Christians never riot in the streets, burn cars and flags, and blow people up because of it.
Posted by: JenBee at April 11, 2007 09:58 AM
Thanks. Until these so called artists start offending Muslims, its just Christian bashing.
This is very important: Was it an Arabic Quran? If it was not, then a Quran has not been defaced. A Quran, Koran, or whatever in any language other than Arabic is an interpretation. There is another word Mohammedans use for a translation, but I can't remember. The very act of a non-believer touching a real Koran is defacement, at least according to Mohalledans. Of course, Mohs will deny this in order to stir the FBI into action. If I blow my nose on page sixty-seven of my English Koran, I have not defaced a Koran.
I would never touch a real Koran anyway: "Don't touch it; it's evil."
What, no lettuce and tomato?
I can't stomach the plagiarized, ersatz Koran in the raw, but sandwiched within a healthy BLT, it might be semi-palatable.
However, unless things like this are done in an "art" exhibit context (where it would open debate), such acts is mere vandalism and intimidation.
As little as I like the creed of Islam, you won't convince those under its brainwashed-from-birth thrall to become more reasonable by being merely as unreasonably provocative, as they tend to be (MoToons hysteria, et al), in reply.
You need to argue from a higher position of rationality or the "argument" (-is Islam a "religion" worthy of respect?-) devolves into a simple "nyah-nyah" contest of competing crassnesses.
And these kinds of "desecrations" (especially done anonymously, which equates to "cowardly" in the popular mind) tend to give the Muslim "victims" sympathy, which is the last thing you want to afford an expansionistic, imperialistic, intolerant "creed".
Which is why one might suspect they are doing this "porking of the Qur'an" themselves.
As a method of gaining support from the Koranically-uninformed, fatally-gulllible infidel community at large.
Submit the "BLT Koran" to the National Endowment for the Arts for a grant.
Don't let the jihadists gain any advantage by undeserved "pity".
Confront them with our freedoms.
And "out" the NEA's hypocrisy simultaneously.
Yummy.
Only Muslims can be offended or humiliated. Only Muslims bleed. Only Muslims suffer, and are persecuted. Only Muslims have emotions and feelings. Seems that's the message cause in the West anything that upsets a Muslim is a Crime , yet Muslims can discriminate in the service industry ,disrupt flights on airlines and basically be venomous open anti semites and nobody say's boo about that.they get a free reign. Everyone is afraid of offending the poor Muslims , that could cost you your life. cause after all Muslims are not responsible for their own lot at all . It is always the infidel and zionist to blame .
This is a link to an opinion about translated Korans -
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=3996&ln=eng&txt=translation
The other word Mohammedans use is transliteration.
Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionists must have been behind this criminal act.
I wish they did this infront of me. 1000 years Jail sentence will seem like a walk in the park.
This is OT, but has some relevance to the subject of Islam as a special, protected religion. I heard on the radio that the talk show host, Bill Maher, is coming out with a film blasting away at organized religion. I know little of him, having seen his talk show only twice, but I can imagine what religions he will be degrading..Judaism and Christianity. Will his 'humor' extend to Islam? I bet not...after all, even such special people such as Mr. Maher have surely heard of the fate of Theo Van Gogh.
THINK LIKE A MUSLIM
1) Who benefits from this Quran-Bacon stunt?
answer: The Muslims.
2) Who perpetrated this Quran-Bacon stunt?
The Muslims, because they alone benefit.
Errrr..... Abdullah, what race is Muslim?
Jesus Worshipping Zionist That would make a very good bumper sticker or a TypeKey nickname.
Abdullah, thanks for the compliment.
More heartburn for the outraged Muslim poster....yes, I have met Somalian Christians...they not only exist, their numbers are growing...some are Christian by birth, and some are Somalian Muslims who have left the religion of peace for.....a peaceful religion...burp, burp...and take some more anti-acid tablets...
Abdullah,
What would you have done in response had you seen this being done? Would you now be in jail because of your response?
I think I'll start a company to print Koranic verses on toilet paper, would anyone like to pony up some venture capital?
It is not a crime to ridicule or scorn a religion or its symbols. It is a crime to cause someone distress that you will physically hurt them merely because they are a member of a religious group. Freedom of speech however, allows Nazis to march in Jewish neighborhoods. Surely, you have the right to march against Islam and to picket in front of mosques against the religion. You have the right to oppose the religion and the right to criticize its adherents. The law however, will prevent you from committing any crime while you are marching and protesting Islam such as vandalism or assault.
In order to make out a case for a hate crime, as alleged here, first a crime needs to be committed. The vandalism of leaving the Koran on the property may constitute a crime. But the hate crime part may not be here because the greater punishment for "hate" or the greater punishment for the crime is traditionally associated with the commission of any crime where the recipient or victim of the crime is a member of a group that has historically been subjected to discrimination. Moslems never had to sit on the back of buses in the South. They never had their mosques fire bombed. If a person claims the Moslem has traditionally been the victim of a special animosity or discrimination, then the person is ignorant of history. Jews in contrast have a legitimate claim to victim hood.
The fact that ethnically some Moslems can pass for people who could have been discriminated against on the basis of race does disservice to those who were truly discriminated against on that basis. Moreover, it’s a stretch to take petty misdemeanors, vandalism of a Koran (its not vandalism if it is your Koran and you trash it on your property with your bacon) so long as the act is not reasonably perceived by a person who sees it as intimidation of the person itself. In that circumstance, such act could constitute a hate crime.
The term "hate crime" is a misnomer, as it is no crime whatsoever to hate. Anyone is free to hate "Islam," just as it is no crime to hate Judaism or Christianity. If however, some vandal includes bacon in the Koran and gives someone the reasonable expectation that the person who uses a Koran will be harmed; such act could give rise to a hate crime.
But, to destroy Koran or showing your contempt, scorn or disapproval of Islam is a fundamental right. Any other argument is a subterfuge to try to establish sharia as the law of the United States wherein any criticism of Islam is a crime. (I hope to see thousands of criticisms of Islam on youtube. Just be sure not to threaten Moslems. Bomb (no violence intended) the Moslem world with criticism, cartoons and spoofs).
Islam is a stupid ignorant religion. The reason why its adherents try to ban criticism, is that if criticism was more widespread in the world and more importantly where it is in majority, criticism might force mindless zombies living in the de facto Caliphate to reconsider whether their miserable conditions as believers is attributable to allah, god of evil.
Moslems have never been victims like they describe. They have more often been the aggressor rather than the victim. Tell me the part about Moslems being the victims when there are thousands of thousands of innumerable atrocities committed mostly by Moslems the world over. To hate Moslems who commit atrocities is understandable.
OK, I get the hate part.
But what is the crime part? Littering?
Okay, this was not the best thing to do. But is it a hate crime? Hell no! This is just insane. Everything people do to resist these supremist bastards (forgive the bad language) will play into their hands. CAIR is having a field day now.
As noted above (re: the "piss christ" and "mary in dung" art exhibits), we should consider this as an act of post-modern agit-prop Art -- the only difference being that Artists who through their Art comment about Islam must remain anonymous out of the real fear of being murdered, whereas the Artists who through their Art comment about Christianity can not only publicize their real names, they can become quite famous, without the slightest fear that Christians -- infinitely more mature and decent than Muslims -- would do them harm.
Hopefully in the time ahead we will see more and more of this kind of protest Art, and perhaps a little Street Theater would be helpful too.
Talk to the Jews about hate crimes. This was no holocaust it was a Qu'ran and bacon sandwich!
We are Soooo backward.
"This was no holocaust it was a Qu'ran and bacon sandwich!
We are Soooo backward.
Posted by: MoBlows"
...it could also have been a bacon and baloney sandwich....
In concert with those expressing doubt about the integrity of this 'hate crime' - here are just a few examples as to why this doubt surfaces:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/08/kafirphobia_americans_as_viole.html
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2003/05/30/more_muslim_hate_crime_myths
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4662915
CAIR is notorious for crying wolf and has ZERO credibility (pun intended).
Yes I think I would have been looking at a long Jail sentence. How many years do you go down for beheading someone with a crude metal or ripping head off with a chain saw??? Someone care to let me know....
Two things will gurantee an infidel's death,
1) desecrating Islam and 2) Standing on a Muslim sister's honour.
"How many years do you go down for beheading someone with a crude metal or ripping head off with a chain saw??? Someone care to let me know...."
...If you were in front of a sha'ria court, you would be praised as a true Muslims,faithful to Islam....You would be raised to hero status and treated with respect and admiration...
...they would give you a pat on the back and tell you ..."attaboy!"....
Only a mad infidel will mess with these two things whilst near Muslims, who love death more than he loves life.
LOL!! exsgtbrown
What do 2 pieces of bread, mayo and a Quran make-A baloney sandwich!!
Abdullah Dude,
Your religion is DEATH. All those that follow it are spiritually DEAD, dude.
On a more pleasant note, thanks for the idea for the bumber sticker: Jesus Worshipping Zionist. I'm having one made as I write this. So if you see me driving around and you get a hankering to behead me, make sure the rifle rack of my pickup is empty of rifles, umbrellas, or fishing poles. I can put your eye out with an umbrella or a fishing pole along with place a bullet between your eyes.
On another note, if mosques put cameras to monitor placements of pork ridden korans, someone will be smart enough to deposit one dressed in a Burqua. That WOULD give me a warm and fuzzy feeling!
Not to forget the recent 'lifesized naked chocolate Jesus complete with genitals' exhibit conveniently timed for Holy Week..
That wasn't a hate crime, it was the artist who wanted to experience 'Jesus in a delicious way'.
The double standards being applied is appalling.
A couple months ago, a cabbie was insulted in Nashville because his passengers challenged his anti-semitic views. As a result, he ran the students over.
Does anyone know if the cabbie was charged with a hate crime?
Hugh, again you were correct. This particular troll is quite an educational specimen.
If it's my Koran, I can stuff it full of bacon, sprinkle it with bacon bits, and write any notes I want, including factual ones like Mohammeds pedophilia.
Period.
This is bogus.
"Heath said police told him they would contact the FBI and send out more patrols to monitor the center. Surveillance cameras have since been installed."
One can only pray that the surveillance cameras are placed INSIDE that "peaceful" compound of ignorance and death.
Abdullah, forgive me - sometimes I'd like to wrap you in bacon and impale you on a minaret but I'd miss you. You are so FUNNY. I LOVE the way you talk its like some bad actor in a thirties serial playing an Aay-rab Sheek. You remind me of that insane Arab who whirls his sword, rages at Indiana Jones who looks at him pityingly takes out his gun and shoots him dead.
Every infidel citizen in that town should buy a koran, wrap it in bacon, march on the police station and dare the police to arrest them all for a hate crime.
Time to face down the Islamonazis and their lackeys.
Two things will gurantee an infidel's death,
1) desecrating Islam and 2) Standing on a Muslim sister's honour.
Posted by: Abdullah
Abby you are such a freak. You moslems are the rapists [see available statistics] and you want to leacture US on women;s honor?
you are the one who wanted to initiate a friendly chat with Nazeem about raping her..
Sounds like Hitlery: "so.. let's talk.. let's chat...."
Yes I think I would have been looking at a long Jail sentence. How many years do you go down for beheading someone with a crude metal or ripping head off with a chain saw??? Someone care to let me know....
Posted by: Abdullah
You're wasting your islamic creativity on nonsense. Why don't you work as a scriptwriter for Hollywood.. they alsways need good horror scenarios.
Too bad the Sopranos are in their last season. I am sure you could have given them new and innovative ways to "wack" someone.
islam - the Cult of Wack!
This is not the first time an incident of this nature has happened. Why only last Thursday down my local grocery store I came across a shelf stacked with the Qur'an. A closer inspection revealed they contained 'Surprisingly Sizzling Bacon Style Rashers'... No wait..that was a Quorn.
And noone mentioned "chocolate Jesus" which was planned to be displayed in a hotel lobby in New York.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,262602,00.html
How much you wanna bet if we displayed a chocolate mahomet there'd be bomb threats, murder and other mayhem by masses of uneployed.. I dare say unemployable.. moslems.
Hey, Abby, where do you work? Who pays for your college tuition? Is it the "kafir" taxpayers of England, you parasite?
"Does this mean the "artist" that did the "piss christ" exibit and the "mary in dung" exibit will be charged with a hate crime?"
Those are two different artists.
"piss christ" was Jose Serrano. The dung painting was Chris Ofili. These artists have realized the publicity value of messing about with religious symbols.
Madonne set the stage for that one - remember her burning crosses on the neach and her slutty cavorting with a crucifix.
You screw with these things you get rich rewards - said the devil.
They daren't do it with islam of course. Satan WILL get you.
If I own a quran and I stick bacon in it that I own, and I write something derogatory in the quran........ it is not a crime.
It would be my quran, bacon, and I would be allowed to deface a book that I owned. Out of hate it may have been left in a obvious and visible place, but still it is not a crime.
There was not defacing of property and no damage to anything other then the owner of the quran and bacon, and I am going to assume it was the critic of islams own book. Unless the mosque did it theirselves.
Are the police to stupid that they don't know what a crime is? And the police are going to contact the FBI?
I am personally *offended* - Germans are KNOWN as pork eaters.. this is a serious racial slur. They have DEFILED my favorite food by inserting it into a manual of pure FILTH!!!!
I read part of the thread on the Tennessee page and it seems a number of people are wondering just why someone would right pedophile on the Quran. We all know the majority of people in the west have a lot to learn about the religion of peace.
Posted by: Abrog8
Send 'em over here.. we'll be glad to educate them.
"Two things will gurantee an infidel's death,
1) desecrating Islam and 2) Standing on a Muslim sister's honour".
2b) Just being an infidel.
""Two things will gurantee an infidel's death,
1) desecrating Islam and 2) Standing on a Muslim sister's honour".
2b) Just being an infidel.
Posted by: ISLAMSFORLOSERS "
....2c) explaining the truth to a Muslim.....
Abdullah the moderate Muslim said
Are you saying that Muslims are "guaranteed" to kill a non-Muslim for touching a Qur'an with a piece of bacon, an act that would break no law (of man)? Are you saying that Muslims do not follow the law of man when they are living in the West, and elevate loyalty to the law of Allah over the law of man? Are you saying that you would act as the judge, jury, and executioner if this incident had taken place in front of you?
What consitutes "desecrating" Islam? Calling Mohammad a pedophile? Putting Bibles in the bookstore on a higher shelf than the Qur'an? What constitutes "standing on" a Muslima's honor? Asking her (as an infidel man) if she knows if the #26 bus stops here? Tapping her on the shoulder to say "Miss, you dropped this."?
Does each Muslim get to decide their definition of "desecrating" Islam, or "standing on" a Muslima's honor, before imposing their death sentence?
These are the sorts of questions we infidels should be asking of Muslims, not the idiotic "Why is Islam considered the religion of peace?" or "Do Muslims believe in Jesus too?" pablum. And their answers should guide our policy toward Islam.
Okay, this was not the best thing to do. But is it a hate crime? Hell no! This is just insane. Everything people do to resist these supremist bastards (forgive the bad language) will play into their hands. CAIR is having a field day now.
Posted by: wrathofasma
Same thing that will happen if the Wacky guy [Jimmy Wales] and his ilk get their internet "code of conduct" down our throats.
Remember.. political correctness didn't happen in a day either.
I hope that my logic will be instrumental in helping you see more clearly on this subject.
Internet code of conduct will ONLY serve to aid the islamists.. similar to the UN attempt to make it ilegal to criticize islam.
Does anyone have legal insight to know if the same object, placed on a public sidewalk would also be classified as a hate crime? Or, must it be placed on private property to qualify?
Some of the comments piqued my curiosity, and I am wondering if doing something like this on public property falls into free speech (much as flag burning)?
PS- loved the turkey bacon observation, Elric66!
I wish they did this infront of me. 1000 years Jail sentence will seem like a walk in the park.
Posted by: Abdullah
Hey, Abby.. care to come to New York? I'd like to do it in front of you this FOURTH of JULY. Meet me at the southeast corner of the World Trade Center.. say around 3 PM?
Let's call it performance art.
Or action art.
I am giving you plenty of time to make your travel arrangements, Abby.
"And their answers should guide our policy toward Islam.
Posted by: special_guest at April 11, 2007 01:02 PM "
...they do make up their own rules as they go merrily along....their answer to everything is "Die Infidel".........
Send 'em over here.. we'll be glad to educate them.
Posted by: Allahfanculo
Why do that? We can hash it all out when you visit the TC on the 4th of July!
Or do you have an address where we can show up and get "eductated"?
Send 'em over here.. we'll be glad to educate them.
Posted by: Allahfanculo
Why do that? We can hash it all out when you visit the TC on the 4th of July!
Or do you have an address where we can show up and get "eductated"?
Only a mad infidel will mess with these two things whilst near Muslims, who love death more than he loves life.
Posted by: Abdullah
Funney, Abby.. so funny. We always think YOU are the moHAM-MAD-dans!
See how that works, Abby: Mo was Ham-MAD!!!!
"Does anyone have legal insight to know if the same object, placed on a public sidewalk would also be classified as a hate crime? Or, must it be placed on private property to qualify?"
Surely, littering at most. I guess this may be a crime (misdemeanour?) in some states but I doubt hate littering will really run. Placing it on private property probably will not be littering, might be construed as a threat but I'm not sure that kind of long-distance threat is criminal.
I like the point about free speech. Roll on the Mahomet made out of elephant dung.
The phrase written in the Koran doesn't sound like something a native English speaker would write, it's missing a verb. A native speaker or someone more familiar with English would write "mohammed is a pedophile" or somesuch that is grammatically correct and conveys its message clearer.
1) desecrating Islam and 2) Standing on a Muslim sister's honour....
Quoth "the mad arab" (ab)dullard alhazred
dullard dullard
What's all this silly talk? All your base are belong to us. Get over it.
nabi ZK
Poor Abdeluded; so, so backwards. There's nothing a good beheading can't solve, is there?
"muslims in Tennesse?"
Yes, there are many. 5,000-6,000 Kurds, Iraqis, numerous Somalis and Sudanese and Bangledeshies and Pakitanisand and assorted others. Muslims live all over the state in towns such as Murfreesboro, Columbia, Knoxville, Cookeville, etc.
AlQaeda is here, the muslim brotherhood and MAS are here. Hezbollah is here and who knows what else. You must understand. They are in all states, small and large.
Since the Mos are so upset about a Koran'N'BAcon samwich.. here is something I am upset about:
This slideshow shows the jihadists in AFG in action.
http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gallerie/esteri/esecuzione-taliban/1.html
WHAT do these guys do for work? Who feeds them? If I had to guess they're leeching off the West.
Treehugger, you are correct. If many many descrated korans showed up, the courts would be jammed and the mohammedans would be getting a clearer picture of what happens of what we think about their "feelings."
special_guest wrote:
What consitutes "desecrating" Islam? Calling Mohammad a pedophile? Putting Bibles in the bookstore on a higher shelf than the Qur'an? What constitutes "standing on" a Muslima's honor? Asking her (as an infidel man) if she knows if the #26 bus stops here? Tapping her on the shoulder to say "Miss, you dropped this."?
Does each Muslim get to decide their definition of "desecrating" Islam, or "standing on" a Muslima's honor, before imposing their death sentence?
Excellent analysis. It becomes clearer each day that the Islamist has a ready alternative to justify their actions in nearly every scenario.
This vagueness, occasionally delving into ambiguity, is seen explicitly in the Qur'an itself. The dual meaning of jihad, one meaning, the "inner spritual struggle" offered to the infidels and the other meaning, "waging war against the non-believers", spoken in more intimate circles.
This is a major dilemna that the West faces in it's short-sighted desire to align with the "moderate" Muslim, those not hell-bent on destroying all non-Islamic societies and cultures. The Islamist will say that the Qur'an forbids Islamists from waging jihad warfare unless Islam is attacked. A concrete definition of "attacked" is paramount to comprehend where we stand. It is also nearly impossible to obtain that definition, which leaves the open-ended justification to wage jihad firmly in place for the next person that desires so.
AlQaeda is here, the muslim brotherhood and MAS are here. Hezbollah is here and who knows what else. You must understand. They are in all states, small and large.
Posted by: the poetess
And in light of all this they are [mis]using the FBI to investigate a samwich?!
Allahfanculo, I would invite Abdullah to a corner in downtown Nashville, but after he meets with you he may not be able to make the trip.
The most notable thing about this particular "hate crime" is that it isn't a crime.
Putting bacon on a book is not a crime.
Although I suppose you could issue a summons for littering.
If there were some history of violence against mohammedans in America, I suppose you could consider it a threat, and thus establish an argument for harassment. But no such history exists.
If it had happened many times at the same spot, I suppose you could try to establish a very weak argument for harassment. But it only happened once.
Nope. No crime here.
It was just somebody's way of saying "you stink".
A "hate crime" with no crime, just hate.
So here we have a true and pure attempt to criminalize hate itself, to criminalize thought.
A mohammedan idea if ever I've heard of one.
poetcomic1:
Abdullah, forgive me - sometimes I'd like to wrap you in bacon and impale you on a minaret but I'd miss you. You are so FUNNY. I LOVE the way you talk its like some bad actor in a thirties serial playing an Aay-rab Sheek.
I dont find it funny poetcomic1.
It might seem amusing because here in JW, we are all insulated by the Intenet. Meanwhile in various Western and non-Western countries, non-Muslims are losing their lives simply because some Muslim is "offended" because the Prophet's left toe nail clipping has been insulted.
And this gratuitous violence, rape etc goes on on a continuous stream, day by day.
I think the "It's my property so I can do what I want with it" argument is not the whole story. If the Klansmen brought their own wooden cross, scribbled with "Die N*****", and they want to burn it, is that okay?
Of course, the difference is that having 20-30 robed and armed Klansmen standing on your front lawn, when there are plenty of examples of Klansmen actually killing blacks, is very intimidating and threatening.
Leaving a bacon bookmark in a Qur'an and running away in the middle of the night, when there are (almost?) no cases of non-Muslims killing Muslims for being Muslim, is no more threatening or intimidating than egging a house or toilet-papering a tree. Those Muslims who found it are not fearful, they are enraged, enraged that a lowly infidel (who is in the same class as feces, according to their Qur'an) insulted their pedophile prophet. This is no "hate crime". The infidels who are being murdered are the ones full of fear. The Muslims who are doing the murdering are the ones full of hate.
I like Allahfanculo's offer to desecrate a Qur'an. For safety, we shouldn't say where or when we're going to do it, but our freedom of speech should be exercised freely and often. There should be burqa-clad individuals burning and urinating and spitting on Qur'ans (Arabic only, please) all over the nation. The moderate Muslims can kill one or two demonstrators, they cannot kill hundreds, or thousands. This is what it means to live in the West with its freedoms; to see one's prophet in a jar of piss, to see an anatomically-correct chocolate statue on display, and be offended without killing anyone. The threats of the Abdullah's of the world have to be challenged. They have to understand how incompatible Western freedom and Islamic violent intolerance are. They have to understand that we do not live our lives under their rules, under the threat of their violent outbursts. They should not be here, based on what they believe. They should not be tainted with our corruption, and we are so very, very corrupt. We have to remind them.
Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionists must have been behind this criminal act.
I wish they did this infront of me. 1000 years Jail sentence will seem like a walk in the park.
Posted by: Abdullah
Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionists must have been behind this criminal act. Posted by Abdullah
Abdullah, you don't know very much do you? Skin head is a name associated with low intellegent, adolescent, fatherless, and jobless neo-Nazis. These ceatures are Muslim helpers. I doubt very seriously that skin heads had any thing to do with this.
It could have been perpetrated by Hindus, Zoroastrians, Jews, Christians, others, or even atheists, just to name some people who are targets of jihad.
If you are going to insult people, use the correct slur, please.
Abdullah,
Thanks for your answer and for proving that you don't belong in the West, and probably no other muslim with your outlook either. Mohammed (may he burn forever in hell) was a pedophile, rapist, murderer, liar, and well just an altogether not very nice person. Your holy book is a work of hate and should be banned based on the new UN guidelines on hate literature.
I don't know where you live, but you have truly proven that you don't subscribe to western values and culture. As one of the ours said, why don't you show up to the former site of the World Trade Center in NYC on the 4th of July. I'll join in bringing a copy of the Koran and it will be well and truly desecrated. Please feel free to respond then. I'm sure your death would make a 1000 year jail sentence seem pleasant.
I pray that you embrace the teachings of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and give up your evil religion.
Some one needs to find the person that did this fast and give them their NEA grant money. Radical artist like this need tax payer support. (Like the Vigina dialogue plays).. Sarcasm.
Abdullah, FYI.. not all of us are Dhimis and will roll over to let you cut off our heads.
I can not be bothered really by Abdulla or the rest it does not matter what he says, he was in the spirit to uphold Islam but it seems the answers have been made thin.
Errrr..... Abdullah, what race is Muslim?
Posted by: Elric66
To be honest Islam is Arabic race centred as the Old Testament is Jewish based.
The Old Testament was specific for the Adamites to the, Noah’s bloodline, to Abraham to Isaac and the Israelites.
This trail let to Jesus as the sacrifice of all man's bloodline that kept in line through this method pure Bloodline filtering, which was eventually sacrificed on the cross, this was all known in scripture but people then could not see it.
So the Old Testament is Jewish by bloodline race it had to be so I think that Religion as a race to its core is Jewish and only for these people, but many different races could have carried Jewish bloodlines anyway along the way as Noah produced the different races with his children.
The New Testament is the time of the Gentiles the whole world knowing of Christ and how we deal with that knowledge a time for non-Jews to take responsibility and gain salvation too.
Now what race is Islam?
Islam is of the Arab race it applies with bloodlines too but Abraham’s other son Ishmael not Isaac as the chosen bloodline according to Arabs and the Koran.
So the Arab bloodline even if Muhammad's was dubious as no one kept his family bloodline records (which the Bible specifically makes not of but the Koran does not), but at that time the pure Jewish or Noah’s bloodline was probably divided so much it did does not count even if a claim today can be made to persuade people.
But what Race is Islam? It's Arabic suppose everything is Arabic the Koran can only be in it's pure form Arabic in language, Muhammad was too even if no one knows for sure his pureness unless you go by the voices he heard that he spoke to God.
The 12th Imam will be Arabic again blood related so the whole thing is Arab dominated as where Christianity its really all for all now, but yes the Jews have a path of destiny too the realisation of Christ and expectation of a Messiah at some point.
Many other races believe in Islam of course but its core is Arab and its God is Arab.
"The front of the Quran, Islam's holy book, read "Mohammad pedophile.""
must be someone from this site. LOL. Anyway if you are reading, nice poster from tennessee next time don't forget to spread the book with pig's piss.
That would be perfect.
Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionists must have been behind this criminal act.
I wish they did this infront of me. 1000 years Jail sentence will seem like a walk in the park.
Posted by: Abdullah at April 11, 2007 10:28 AM
WHAT IS YOUR LOCATION AND EMAIL ADDRESS?
Marginally apropos of race and ancient history, does anyone know anything pro or con about the idea of "allah" developing from that of an ancient regional moon god?
I've still not been able to confirm this or find anything to the contrary -- not that I've looked so hard.
IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THAT MUSLIM CENTER IN TENNESSEE HERE IS THE INFO:
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Quote:
Muslim
There are no mosques in Clarksville, but Islamic services are held at 1 p.m. Fridays in Building 2207 on Fort Campbell.
Clarksville Islamic Center is at 1817-A Madison St. Hassan Said serves as president for the group of approximately 100 people. For information call 648-2114 or 217-0552.
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FROM:
"Churches
Names, addresses, numbers, pastors for places of worship"
located at:
http://www.theleafchronicle.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/99999999/LIFESTYLE07/608270374
Allahfanculo, I would invite Abdullah to a corner in downtown Nashville, but after he meets with you he may not be able to make the trip.
Posted by: Pelayo
Pelayo.. can you possibly make it to NY July 4th Weekend? That would make TWO of us "artists". We could then try to get more people to participate in this important work of live action art. Maybe apply for an NEA grant.. Bacon FAT chance of getting one, but the process oughta be fun.. I'd love to see the reason they'd use to turn us down.
I'd love to see UAC do another demo at the site on July 4th!
And bring back the Loyalist Party too!
Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionists
WOW!!! WHAT a name for a punk band!
Move over Dead Kennedys!! NIN and Front242!!
Clarksville Islamic Center mailing address:
For information call 648-2114 or 217-0552.
CLARKSVILLE
Islamic Center of Clarksville
Br. Abu Sarwar
1817-A Madison St
Suite 5
Clarksville, TN 37043
alternate number (not sure is this one still works):(931) 216-0449
source #2:
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?p=Islamic+Center+clarksville+tennessee&sp=1&ei=UTF-8&fr=b1ie7&x=wrt&SpellState=n-3920010338_q-OapmwFENu7.BsTYze8abnwAAAA%40%40&u=www.muslimeen.org/Portals/0/Newsletters/Eid%2520special%2520edition%2520fitr.pdf&w=islamic+center+clarksville+tennessee&d=MJdGbfmdOdYb&icp=1&.intl=us
Also when you want to track down Islamic centers, businesses, organizations try:
Islamic Finder:
http://www.islamicfinder.org/
(not to be confused with Satanist Finder--they are similar of course but not the same thing exactly--satanists are more honest about whom they serve).
Only a mad infidel will mess with these two things whilst near Muslims, who love death more than he loves life.
Posted by: Abdullah
And we love both life and death more than we love moslems. ANYTHING is preferrable over a state of "living death" which is the state of moslems and those whom they have sway over.
Yes, that includes our own blinded liberals!
At the county fair, I had a delicious quarandog.
Sadly nabi ZK has no qur'an to desacrate. I do often visit mohametan themed websites while eating haram foods. I want to make clear I am talking pork products here.
nabi ZK
Treehugger, you are correct. If many many descrated korans showed up, the courts would be jammed and the mohammedans would be getting a clearer picture of what happens of what we think about their "feelings."
Posted by: the poetess
I think we should all get togther and do it.. at least in small groups. What better day than INDEPENDENCE Day!!
Maybe not communictae ourselves to the enemy or else these Columbia "anti-racist" "student" thugs are likely to show up and start violence.
If there is vilence let the Mo-HAM-Mad-dans be the ones to start such violence.
We should also have displays of 'piss christ' and the dung 'artwork' to make our point. We want EQUAL rights in religion and blasphemy!
To the Mos I say: NOT IN OUR HOUSE!!
Okay,
It's time to pull out an old favorite video clip and watch it again.
http://www.cair.com/video/kill_the_koran/
I don't know where you live, but you have truly proven that you don't subscribe to western values and culture. As one of the ours said, why don't you show up to the former site of the World Trade Center in NYC on the 4th of July. I'll join in bringing a copy of the Koran and it will be well and truly desecrated.
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Posted by: schwaben
Schwaben.. are you in? Maybe I'll contact the Loyalist party if we have a few folks willing to show up and 'decorate' the book of hate!
" Allahfanculo"
......ever hear of "MegaDeath"...
a real band, with a great islamic name...
http://www.cair.com/video/kill_the_koran/
Posted by: dm60462
Excellent! Great work! You must apply for an NEA grant today!
Yes I heard of Mega Death LOL
How about "Queen" for Abby's favorites?
Here's some Winston Churchill audio for inspiration:
http://www.soundboard.com/sb/winston.aspx
I have another cool band the MoFoes will like. They're called:
"My life with the Thrill Kill Cult"
I kid you not, o disbelievers!
WTF.. moslems in **TENNESSEE** now?
Posted by: Allahfanculo
My parents live in Chattanooga. During my last Christmas holiday visit, I was surprised to notice that one of the houses directly across the street from their church had a large black sign with gold lettering in the front yard - "Islamic Study Center of Chattanooga". "Wow, how long has that been up?" was my question.
They told me how just the month before it had gone up, and that the pastor and others had knocked on the door attempting to say hello and extend a warm invitation to a church potluck dinner. The door was never answered, even after a couple more attempts.
My second question was if any vandalism or negativity had shown up. None. Not one stroke of spray paint or one role of toilet paper. I was a little surprised by that, given the large youth membership at their church.
In February my parents said the sign came down as quietly as it had gone up. A little strange. It's as if those Muslims were testing - trying to get a reaction that could then be used to claim victim hood.
Where's Abby..? Bedtime for Bozo? Or bozotime for prayer?
Submit the "BLT Koran" to the National Endowment for the Arts for a grant.
Don't let the jihadists gain any advantage by undeserved "pity".
Confront them with our freedoms.
And "out" the NEA's hypocrisy simultaneously.
Yummy.
Posted by: profitsbeard
Hey, you beat me to it I see.. so how about it? Let's ROLL!!!!
I think this was a despicable act and even though I know that Muslims themselves are guilty of many such acts, but I don’t think we should descend to their level! Though I disagree that this is a hate-crime! To tell the truth “hate-crime” is such an absurd category in general and I think it shouldn’t have existed at the first place. In my opinion the incident is just plane and simple harassment and of course it should be rejected and denounced and prevented in the future.
Art ideas:
1. "piss mahomet"
done exactly like the "piss christ" was done.
In art circles this technique is called "appropriation.
2. The Elephant dung painting.. ditto..
And we should ask for similar public funding too!
here is a great band name (and a real one too)
Afghanistan Banana Stand
Assalamau LAikum Brother of the Deen Abdullah,
Abdullah....I am here to try and support you....this is a most dispicible act by someone to do.
You should recognise though that it has been designed to get a reaction from muslims....and you have provided a virtuso performance for the infedel here.
You have simply got to control yourself....Allah SWT knows who has done this...and he/she will be asked the question either via police arrest or Allah's court later on.
Why should he need others to defend his holy book, surely you believe Allah SWT is all knowing.
Piss Christ and Mary in Dung as offensive as they were to Christians could not be considered crimes at all because they were exhibited in a museum. By the same logic also Muhammad cartoons were not hate crime or any other crime at all because they were published at a newspaper. So anyone who could find it offensive could pass and refuse to watch it. No-one was not forced to see it. But this bacon-stuffed Quran was found at the steps of the mosque, so Muslims who were there for prayer had no choice to pass without seeing it because they were caught by surprise! Besides Mosque is their place of worship after all and people should not harass them with things that they don’t want to see. But of course we are all free to rub lots of bacon on any Quran that we can get our hands on and even show it in a museum if any museum would dare to display it! Muslims can pass on this exhibit if they want! Although personally I would not consider such piece as art, not because of sympathy with Islam. But simply because it is ugly. But artist would have the write to produce it if he is so inclined.
It's one thing to say that we shouldn't descend to their level, although one could argue that given the levels they've dug, we couldn't, no matter how hard we tried. However, I don't see your point as to how this is harassment. If someone sees a Quran with something scribbled in it, and stuffed with bacon near a mosque, it obviously is unusable by the mosque in question, and all that the finder had to do was toss it into the trash. Of course, being the publicity hogs that they are, they went to the nearest reporters, who, being as they are completely PC, just lapped it up - and I don't mean the bacon.
As others have suggested, imagine the media taking this seriously had it been done to a Bible. Unless of course there was a White against Black racial tinge to it - like a Bible being desecrated next to a Black church.
seemziez!!
Just mention Afghanistan Banana Stand and who shows up...
But seriously, I thought you were the same person as dulard. I'm confused.
nabi ZK
nabi to the famous mohametan trolls
go ahead
ask me anything
must be about unforseen (by you) future events
Disgusting! Bacon wrapped bullshit? What a waste of bacon! I would much prefer it to wrap some delicious wine sautéed scallops.
Well descend to their level. For Islam to get out of the gutter, it will have to crawl out of the sewer first. Really, all this religious nonsence. If people want to believe in silly things, things that a child could see was drivel, why should they be immune from criticism? It was a book, with bacon in it, that is all, what is so bad about that? It is no different from mocking Christ, or that Hindu god with the blue face. Religious people should stop being so precious about their primitive beliefs, and that goes for all of them.
Nasseem says:
"....this is a most dispicible act by someone to do."
Littering is not despicable.
Here is a short list of actions that ARE despicable:
1. Planting bombs in cars with children and blowing them all up.
2. Beheading Christian girls.
3. Honor killings.
4. Burning Buddhists alive.
5. Taxicab drivers who run over riders because he doesn’t agree with them.
6. Killing over 300 school children in Russia.
All this was done by muslims because they hate anything that won't submit to Islam.
Get the picture, Nasseem?
The pork ridden koran was someone's way of telling muslims just what he thought of them. We need a thousand more pork ridden korans scattered about. If you don't like it, stay in your primative culture and stop trying to change ours.
Allahfanculo
The "MoFoes" !
LOL!
That Koran wasn't vandalized! Garnished, sure...
We are in a war. If this is an irritant to Muslims' sensibilities there should be more of this, not less. If Muslims are stopped in their tracks by this sort of thing and kept busy whining about how unfair it is then they won't have time to concoct new lawsuits to try and subject us to their Sharia, which we don't want here.
Is the Muslims being able to practice their religion in our countries, which demands subjugation of the rest of us to it, more important than the rights of the rest of us to live free? If indeed, Abdullah feels the need to cut somebody's head off with a chain saw because his religion demands it of him then we really don''t need to be tolerant or understanding. We need to fight fire with fire, turn the tables on them, keep up the pressure and consequently keep them off balance. If a BLQT will do the trick lets have more of 'em.
UK Infidel Lover-
"I dont find it funny poetcomic1."
Of course I don't either but their humorless life-hating narrow-minded cement brains have no defense against mockery. Feed their rage till they bust a blood vessel in their forehead. Its strategy.
In New York its called 'Performance Art' or perhaps 'an installation' but only if done to a statue of the Virgin Mary or a Bible.
I agree with SpecialGuest. Yes, it's offensive to Muslims, but, really, let's get a grip here. It is a descecrated book with some offensive scribblings...If the scribblings threatened death or killing of a specified ethnic group (which, btw, is the daily "prayer" calls of the Al-Jazeerah, Middle Eastern media outlets when they keep announcing their intentions of "wiping Israel off the map" or hollering about "Death to Israel", and their calls for genocide of Jews, etc., etc.), then maybe "yeah" a "hate" crime. (In Canada, there would have to be a threat of some sort..and, flabby bacon strips are not, in and by themselves, threatening food items...carrots, hmm maybe, but bacon, eh? no.)
But, all of this is just so much PCness, much of it extremely hypocritical.
Anyway, what would happen, I wonder, if I took a pair of shoes and etched in a certain name (in Arabic, of course) and walked about? Would that be a "Hate crime"? What if I set up a shop and sold shoes -- advertising: "Get your own inscriptions in Arabic etched in heels and soles of shoes! Special discount for special sayings!!"
"Abdullah....I am here to try and support you....this is a most dispicible act by someone to do. "
....a total waste of your time.....
Take the last train to Clarksville
They will greet you at the station
Don’t worry bout your freedom
They got hate crime legislation
Oh Oh Oh Hey Hey Hey Hey.
Don’t worry cause you’re never coming home.
Boycott these dhimmiocracy’s. And if anyone is wondering what the police would do regarding Christian complaints, why notify ciar and forward a picture of the complainant along with their home address attached to it what else?
Islam is a hate crime perpetrated on the American people by the uin and the US snake dept.
There is a little thing called freedom of expression in this country Muslims. Live with it like everybody else.
Allahfanculo posted:
"Pelayo.. can you possibly make it to NY July 4th Weekend? That would make TWO of us "artists". We could then try to get more people to participate in this important work of live action art. Maybe apply for an NEA grant.. Bacon FAT chance of getting one, but the process oughta be fun.. I'd love to see the reason they'd use to turn us down."
Will the skinhead zionist be there? I'd show up just to take a picture of a mutant impossibility like that.
A slice of bacon, respectfully placed as a bookmark for Section 5:60 of the Qu’ran it not a hate crime. It is a wonderful expression of free speech.
Bacon-stuffed Koran?
Wrap that Koran in some thinly sliced and lightly-pounded veal, then dip in batter, roll in bread crumbs and bake at 350 degrees for 45 minutes. Serve with a beurre-blanc sauce sprinkled with chives and a side of New Potatoes-
very, very tasty.
-from the Anti-Dhimmitarian Gourmet
J.S. said
Didn't Mama Cass of the Mama's and the Papa's choke to death on a bacon sandwich? Not to mention the high levels of sodium and cholesterol. "Ooooh, scary stuff, kids." (channeling Joe Flaherty from Second City TV).
Naseem: You have simply got to control yourself....
Naseem, we all know Muslim men have never been taught to control their violent urges, and are incapable of doing so. That's why you have to swaddle yourself in a hooded sack with a mask, so you don't get gang-raped whenever you set foot outside your house.
Muslim men can not stop their own genitals from raping, or their own hands from murdering. That is why we must first drive Muslims from the West, and then roll Islam back around the world.
Damn, I always find myself scrolling through every thread just to get Abdullah's reaction. I always get a good laugh out of his 7th century ways.
Now, onto the "desecration" of the Qur'an...who cares? I thought it was funny. Then you hear about all the muslims sobbing a gentle tear for their poor holy book? Get a bloody life, honestly. If that's the worst thing that happens to these people in a day, it probably was a pretty good day, atleast it would be in my book, no pun intended. Then again, I find criticisms of Christianity usually ignorant BS, which I find funny as well. I learned how to use words.
I bet if this happenned to Jews, I would love to be there when it happenned, because, guaranteed, there would be an amazing one liner by one of them. Jewish sense of humour, God I love their humour :D
The incident was intended as an insult. I personally don't think it was clever or the best way of expressing oneself. But nobody was threatened. No property was damaged or threatened other than that provided by the unknown person offering the insult. It was not even libelous: a dead person cannot be libelled. We are free to say whatever we want about the dead, e.g. "Mohammed pedophile", even it is customary not to speak ill of them. The incident described above was an insult. Bad manners. You cannot legislate against bad manners. This is a matter for Miss Manners, not the FBI.
Also, I find it interesting that Moslem apologists who frequently post on this site seem more interested in stories of this kind than they are in commenting on the many stories involving murder and mayhem as perpetrated by their correligionists. I'm curious about their silence on such matters, even as I am curious at the violent threats made on this thread made over an insult, threats that do much to reinforce stereotypes. All citizens have a right to their personal beliefs. No citizen has a right to preferential treatment of their personal beliefs. But death threats most certainly are a matter for the police.
As for the proliferation of Islamic information centers and the like into every corner of every land, one wonders where the money for real estate purchases comes from. Are the Moslem congregations all so affluent as to be able to afford such purchases? Or are these purchase being bankrolled by foreign interests? Promotion of any ideology antithetical to the Western concept of human rights with the use of foreign capital is interference in the internal affairs of the nation state and should not be tolerated.
If someone wrote "Jesus virgin" on the cover of a Bible and left it on church property, what would happen? (Of course, Christians don't have dietary restrictions but, in honour of Easter, let's say a chocolate egg was stuck inside the Bible.)
The minister or parishioner would pick it up, mutter something like, "stupid kids", and toss it in the garbage.
They wouldn't call the police and the media. (Imagine a reporter laughing and saying, "Uh, it's not that slow a news day, Reverend.")
We don't worship paper and ink. We save our energy for substantive threats and don't freak out over juvenile pranks.
We're not looking for evidence of victimhood to use to manipulate followers into believing they are constantly under threat. (That's a tactic Jim Jones used to his advantage. And, by the way, Jim Jones stopped being a Christian long before his church moved to Guyana.)
Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionists must have been behind this criminal act.
I wish they did this infront of me. 1000 years Jail sentence will seem like a walk in the park.
Posted by Abdullah
Abdullah, you are so stupid. Jesus worshipping zionists. Now I've heard everything.
I would like to wrap YOU in bacon. Then get my big, beautiful black Lab to lick the bacon grease off while I slowly tear pages out of the qur'an and burn them in front of you.
“I wish they did this infront of me. 1000 years Jail sentence will seem like a walk in the park.”
Big talk from a pipsqueak who would no doubt run crying to his mummy or take out his anger on the nearest toddler’s, pushing over strollers and such. I wish he had the guts to come on over here and show us what he is made of. Not holding my breath though. Chocolate Jesus could beat him down even w/o sprinkles.
I hear that the pig farmers of America are outraged that their pork products have touched a Koran. The pigs themseves are outraged because they won't go to pig heaven if they come in contact with anything Muslim.
"Of course, Christians don't have dietary restrictions"
Posted above
Actually, Christians do have dietary restrictions
Acts 15:20, 15:29, 21:25
Acts 15:29
You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.
So don't eat halal.
"choke to death on a bacon sandwich?" omg..Personally, I try to refrain from the consumption of pork products...(pork's on my proscribed list)...but maybe carrots should also be added, eh (?). Does anyone recall the lyrics to that song sung by the Arrogant Worms? Something about how carrots have rights too!! and, and how whenever they're pulled from the ground there are screams and shrieks of agony -- yet they go unheard..."Carrot Juice is Murder."
"Actually, Christians do have dietary restrictions..."
Thanks, Concerned Citizen, that's a good point. But you get my drift: a prankster doesn't have an actual food item with which to "threaten" us.
Naseem is genuine, God help her. However, this Abdullah wallah is pressing the standard buttons a bit too expertly...
Yes I think I would have been looking at a long Jail sentence. How many years do you go down for beheading someone with a crude metal or ripping head off with a chain saw??? Someone care to let me know....
If you're an Indonesian Muslim who murders 202 innocent Westerners, its 30 months. But then trolling Muslim psychos like yourself love those who murder innocent Western infidels. It is long past time the likes of yourself were forcibly sent back to your Pakistani craphole.
I'd call it ART...FREE EXPRESSION. Like Maplethorpe's crucifix. I think that offended many. But, you don't have to like the expression...you don't have to agree with the expression. It's expression...and it may and probably does have ABSOLUTELY nothing at all to do with HATE of any person. But I'm sure it's an artistic expression against certain IDEAS the artist disagrees with. That's free expression.
If you don't like art or free expression...and don't want to accept people's ability in this country to express themselves??? Well...you should probably move to a place where Tennessee's newest master of fine arts could instead be beheaded. Personally, I'll choose free expression every time...even stuff I don't like or agree with.
When you explicitly incite people or a person to cause violence or to cause physical harm to a person, people, or property...you bet, you should be prosecuted. Other than that, alleged "hate" or hurt feelings...are not...and should never be...a crime.
Wrap that Koran in some thinly sliced and lightly-pounded veal, then dip in batter, roll in bread crumbs and bake at 350 degrees for 45 minutes. Serve with a beurre-blanc sauce sprinkled with chives and a side of New Potatoes- very, very tasty.
This is wrong, you place the wrapped Koran on a piece of wood and bake in the oven for 45 minutes. Remove it from the oven, scrape the stuff off and eat the wood. Much like preparing a carp.
I'm just waiting for a Koran to be desecrated by a splash of carrot juice...Then the carrot farmers of America can (at long last) celebrate a shared infamy as defilers of all that is pure.
The more people find out about Islam, the more they dislike it, so stories like this are good news, in their own way. Once people have enough information about Islam (contrary to all the Islamic apologists' assertions), the necessary steps will be assented to and taken. When I was ignorant of Islam, I was much more willing to believe the standard Marxist interpretation of their issues. Muslims need to be careful what they wish for.
Overall, Islam is fighting a losing battle against modernity. Modernity will win, because it is more in tune with human nature and social development (people want to be free and don't want to relive the same socio-political dramas over and over again, a la the Sunni-Shiite never ending sh*tstorm), however much that may be a disappointment to traditionalists. Whether modernity wins by reforming the Islamic ideology or eliminating it from the planet, my sense is that history doesn't really care which route it takes. If history saw fit to destroy 'the glory that was Rome', Islam would be the equivalent of history popping a pimple on its ass.
Muslims don't just eschew eating pork...
Now I thought Muslims always eschewed their pork at least 20 times before swallowing.
bacon and egges on toast YUM!
Why all this talk about eating Qurans? Instead, the Qurans should be put to the same use as charcoal, or coal, or firewood - tear out the pages and lay it out on your barbecue, in a heap and then spray lighter fluid before burning it, and then barbecue your marinaded meats and lemon salted corn on top of it. It serves as a good alternate fuel. If only there was a way to put shreded Quran pages in our cars, so that we could substitute the Islamic gasoline that goes in instead?
Not to forget that there's a host of other literature - hadiths, sirah, tafseers, fiqhs, usools, et al that could be used as supplementary material.
All in Arabic, of course.
We must not forget:
Lard Mohammed
"We could then try to get more people to participate in this important work of live action art. Maybe apply for an NEA grant"
A better more ambitious (and more deadly) work of public Op Art would be to wrap the Ka'aba in miles of green fabric, as Christo and Jeanne Claude wrapped Central Park in 23 miles of winding saffron fabric about two years ago. I hope some artists get around to doing this some day before something happens to the Ka'aba...
Kuffar are cowards...shooting at innocent civillians from high altitudes. Kuffar can't fight on the ground like men because they don't have the heart to, they are destined for hell fire like cattle.....Sorry Naseem, Just had to tell these kuffar the truth.
Some are challenging me to go all the way to America, the only time I will go to America is with a conquering Muslim Army, inshallah. But meanwhile if you want to show how much of men you are, you know where I live, come to central london, oxford street 4th July and SHOW ME YOU DISRESPECTING THE QURAN...Allahu akbar, I know drinking blood is Haram but you never know (I will ask Allah to forgive me)
Abdullah and Naseem:
I would me more than happy to desecrate the Koran in front of both of you. Whether I spit, urinate, or drop a load on it. I would also be happy to burn it. And at the same time curse allah and his messenger Mohammad.
Aby, dull boy,
Soooo, what time is it in London, eh?
I don't think you're in London, and I don't think you're Muslim...
Kuffar are cowards...shooting at innocent civillians from high altitudes. Kuffar can't fight on the ground like men because they don't have the heart to
posted by Abdullah
Oh right, and strapping explosives to children is brave?!?
What would really be brave, imho, is to NOT get enraged when someone makes fun of you. I know you would never consider it, and that's why it's brave.
(Allahfunco, I got my screen name from you. Thanks for the idea.)
In the 19th Century Arthur Rimbaud wrote "S--- on God" (in French, of course) on church walls, park benches, and so on.
That same activity needs to be done as regards Islam until it is safe to do so in all parts of the world.
"Merde a Mahomet" needs to be scrawled on every idle square inch of public space frequented by muslims.
"Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionists"
... from the troll above.
Strange mix of terms. Haven't seen a skin-head in America, thought they were an English thing. Is there something in that Tennessee bourbon that causes hair loss?
I don't think these "bover-boys" would be into Jesus worshipping either, not their thing. As for Zionism, that would be as far removed from their everyday thought processes as the north pole is from the south.
Regarding the desecration of the bacon flavoured book, yes, this definitely is a hate crime. Whoever is responsible for ruining two pieces of bacon should be punished quite severely.
Bacon band aid for the Muhammed worshipping trolls:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/04/12/bacon-band-aids-will-the-islamophobia-never-stop/
I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm done with Abdullah's "pedagogical" value. He has devolved into a whirling dervish of physical threats and graphic jihadist imagery with a peculiar fixation on sodomy. I hope Hugh bans him soon.
Astaghfirullah, ok, now repeat it 100 times while banging your head against a rock.
There was never any doubt he would leave his mummy all alone on OXFORD STREET LONDON ENGLAND and come here where we haven’t been disarmed.
Wiailaikum Assalami abby/out.
Quess I gotta offer some pointers for the shmegegge's shtik. To start off with "they are destined for hell fire like cattle" (??) -- oh yea? So where in the Koran is there a reference to cattle being sent to hell fire, eh? oooh, that's frightening -- to think of those poor cattle getting barbecued!! What ya trying to do scare the vegetarians?? Do I have to go over that whole routine with the carrots again?? Are you a slow learner or what?
You just lack a certain -- je ne sais quoi -- edge? psychopathy? dementia? found in your standard wanna-be jihadi. You're just too formulaic, too bland, too blah-blah-blah...and we've heard it all before -- get some new material, ok?
Hey Allies,
Thanks for the Islamic Finder website. I didn't know they have little enclaves in the most unlikely of places. I found an Islamic Center in Colorado Springs, where my family just moved to, of all places. Colorado Springs, aka Church capital of the country (I swear there are Churches for all denominations everywhere). I didn't know the Muslims moved into Church capital. Well, I just found one thing to do over the summer break. And now I know where the Berkeley mosque is too. I keep passing that construction site whenever I travel to Berkeley. And now I also know which Indian grocery stores and restaurants to stay away from. Anything that says Indian/Pakistani cuisine in the Bay Area is a no-no for me. If it just says Indian, or South Indian cuisine (mmmm dosas!), then it is fine.
We will be waiting somewhere high, (take the high ground gents) on the 3rd or maybe the 2nd or 5th who knows. just keep looking up.
Speaking of Abdullah’s fixation on sodomy, the May 2007 issue of the Atlantic Monthly has a interesting piece about Saudi Arabia.
http://shezan.livejournal.com/154805.html
All you people, need to remember - all that is necessary to desecrate a Koran is for an infidel to merely pick it up. An Arabic one, that is. The Koran handling rules are rather restrictive. One is not allowed to read it while using the toilet it cannot be placed on a shelf next to the "Joy of Sex" nor can it be placed under any other book.
If you have an Arabic Koran you could keep in the smoke house, if you had a smoke house.
What if you took an Arabic Qur'an, and very carefully shrink wrapped it, water tight, then stuffed it inside a sweaty fly covered porcine carcass? If no fluid got under the plastic, would it be defiled? (I realize that trying to remove it from the plastic would almost assuredly defile it.)
Inquiring minds want to know.
Nooo, don't ban Abdullah. He is the best education for newbies. Everyone needs to read his rants.
exsgtbrown, you say: "...it could also have been a bacon and baloney sandwich...."
Damn!! I laughed so loud that I woke up my wife.
Drinking blood? Sounds like someone needs to get back on the evolutionary treadmill for a few thousand more generations.
Arrogant Worms - sounds like it's a moslem band.. perfect! LOL
Salami and Bacon o Sisters and Brothers in Freedom,
My friends....I am here to support you....islam is a most dispicible act by someone to do.
You should recognise though that it has been designed to get a reaction from Free people....and you have provided a virtuso performance for the islamofascists here.
You have simply got to control yourselves....Allah is a piece of Sh*t. Terrorists will be asked the question either via police arrest or the Real God's court later on.
Why should we need others to defend this unholy book, surely you believe Allah is the god of garbage.
Posted by: NaZeem
I think this was a despicable act and even though I know that Muslims themselves are guilty of many such acts, but I don’t think we should descend to their level!
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Posted by: ritamalik
I beg to differ, these savages don't understand subtle language.
They are automatons.. either they feel emboldened and they forge ahead or they feel that WE are too strong at the moment for them to be able to do us damage.
In which case they will wait to fight another day. This is called 'hudna'.
In order to defeat these devils we have to be able to lower ourselves to their level.. without relinquishing our humanity.
I know this sounds like a paradox.. retain your humanity and die a noble dhimmi's death..
OR you FIGHT them with EVERYTHING you've got! No matter how big your own advantage! All you do is USE every advantage you've got.
No time for chivalry and concern agbout "running up the score".
I am ON TO THEM!!!!
They creep and crawl and slither like ARROGANT WORMS.. probing for openings.. and only a STEEL BOOT will keep this worm underground!
The ONLY reason we have so many of them here int he West now is that they have found our Achilles' Heel: 'immigration'.
They are here courtesy of our very own legislation!!!!!!!
They have turned us against one another and they think they are moving in for the kill! They have the Media and our educational institutions in their pocket.. and our POLOticians.
WE the FEW and the PROUD and the SANE .. we MUST speak to them WITHOUT any form of restraint or compassion. They don't deserve any for one. And second, plain and frank language is all that I know to be effective with them. Even Logic won't work with these arrogant worms!
These arrogant worms are getting bolder.. sliding into all our lands!!
We the people of the Free West are ON TO THEM!!
I am pleading for a CRUSADE at the BALLOT BOX!!!
We must overcome our civility!!
Long live Jan Sobieski!!
VIVE LA RESISTANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smite the islamic Snake from our lands!!
"All I could do was laugh!"
Posted by: R_not
Snap. Oh, it is funny.
Only a mad infidel will mess with these two things whilst near Muslims, who love death more than he loves life.
Posted by: Abdullah
Abby.. we ARE *Mad* *Infidels*, biatch!!! Yes, we are f*cking PISSED OFF that you 7th Century Barbarians come barging in on our Party and ruin our Festival of Life!!
We are F•cking PISSED OFF that we have WEAK and defeeatist guilty white LiEberals using our Laws to get YOUR Mo-HAM-MAD-dan foot in the door of our success!!
you ****BET***, biatch.. WE ARE MAD!!!
WE ARE MAD INDEED!!!!!!!!
Get out while you still can. You are being given fair warning.
Jihadwatch is but the tip of the iceberg you are about to encounter... :-)
Is the Muslims being able to practice their religion in our countries, which demands subjugation of the rest of us to it, more important than the rights of the rest of us to live free? If indeed, Abdullah feels the need to cut somebody's head off with a chain saw because his religion demands it of him then we really don''t need to be tolerant or understanding. We need to fight fire with fire, turn the tables on them, keep up the pressure and consequently keep them off balance. If a BLQT will do the trick lets have more of 'em.
Posted by: Isabellathecrusader
**THAT** is what I am talking about!
Fight Fire with Fire!
Will the skinhead zionist be there? I'd show up just to take a picture of a mutant impossibility like that.
Posted by: freedomschool
If that is what is needed to get you to attend I will have my head shaved with only stubble left to form a Star of David on my skull.
Here in New York any hairstyle is possible to get.
Being the other side of the world,I always get to the postings late.
However, I have to say that this is not hate crime......it's a p**sed off statement.
Beheadings, burnings, shootings, kidnappings....now these are hate crimes, with a vengeange, and we all have to stand up now for our beliefs and fight these, not silly things about some poor souls being offended by the defacement of a book.
If it offends them, then they had better start behaving themselves in a more socially acceptable way or produce those who do not, from amongst their own communities.
I'm 'offended' by the REAL hate crimes.
Marilyn
Oh.. by the way.. is there a picture of this BaKonran that I could use in an placard presentation next time there's an anti-islamofascist rally? I know where I can find the images concerning 'piss christ' and 'dung Mary' which I plan to faithfully reproduce to show the duplicity of our homegrown 'art crowd'.
I WILL bring this evidence to the next anti-islamofascist rally!
I want new Yorkers to be confronted with TRUTH!!!
Hopefully this FOURTH of JULY!!!
The time for talking has passed.. Action is required now!
Who is IN if we do this?
That is because hate crimes only effect and protect the minority. Sad but true. I find the way they said "a Quran was found vandalized on the front steps." very intresting so now a Quran is what a building? Was it there Quran or is it that all Qurans are now muslim property? So, now if you burn hurt in any way a Quran its a hate crime?
Anyways I do think its rather tacky and should be addressed but I dont see why we have hate crimes a crime is a crime. Start enforcing them and stop making new laws in which we already have laws for. I forget though every group has to feel special.
Abdullah, the slave of allah, is really such a silly inconsequential little being, I find him and his ranting, funny.
What an ineffectual cretin......just laugh at him as he deserves.
How is this a "hate crime?"
What crime, other than maybe littering, was carried out?
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said worshipers at the Islamic Center of Clarksville found a defaced copy of the Quran, Islam's revealed text, on the front steps of the mosque just before communal prayers (Jummah) on Friday.
Two strips of bacon, which is prohibited for Muslims to eat, were smeared in the Quran. Local police are investigating the incident as a hate crime.
Sorry, but I'm just not seeing a connection between a book,two slices of bacon, and a hate crime being committed. Law enforcement has more important and (real) crime to deal with, and doesn't need to waste its time looking for whoever did this. The CAIR people ought to look up the word "prank", and move on with something more important and more beneficial to America, like closing all of its offices down and moving to Gaza.
I agree with Ozi_bloke:
How can anyone do that to the bacon?
Abdullah wrote:
".. Muslims, who love death more than he loves life"
A pity so few execute.
This is a shame. A real SHAME.
Yea, I mean, there is so many hungry people in the world and some are wasting a bacon on what?
"I would never touch a real Koran anyway: "Don't touch it; it's evil." - Pelayo above
I once bought an Arabic Koran in a bookshop in Rabat. When the shopkeeper said it would cost 20 dirhams, I automatically replied that I would give him 10 for it. At this point it became obvious that I had said the wrong thing.
I never have worked out whether:
1/ You do not haggle in respectable Moroccan bookshops.
2/ There is one thing that you do not haggle for in any Moroccan bookshop.
3/ I was cleverly taken to the cleaners and
paid well over the odds for a Koran.
I've always meant to have it re-bound in pigskin but have never got around to it.
you know, one thing that sticks out here, is the vastly superior quality of the statement being made - the islamonzis spray painting synagogues are so utterly devoid of any thought not drip-fed by a brain-dead imam, whereas this demonstrates an actual knowledge of the subject being commented on (Mohammed was a paedophile, you morons)...
"Kuffar are cowards...shooting at innocent civillians from high altitudes."
....These "civilians" were shooting at Americans, shooting at Iraqis, and indiscriminately killing any real "civilians" who were too slow to get away...
Muslims have no problem strapping explosives on children which are detonated by remote control..The child does not even know when he will breathe his last breath...
Muslims have no problem chaining the doors of a burning Muslim school, allowing the little girls to burn alive, all because the Muslims thought the girls were not properly dressed as Muslims
Muslims have no problem blowing up people attending funeral services of other Muslims, then the Muslim blow up the Muslim Ambulance driver who comes to help save Muslim lives..
Muslims have no problem killing little girls trying to attend school or of killing the students teacher in front of the the students (this is apparently an effort to instill fear in the children as opposed to an education the students would have received from the newly beheaded teacher)
Muslims have no difficulty in detonating car bombs in crowds of Muslims buying groceries or standing in an employment line seeking a job to earn money to feed the Muslim children.
Muslims have no difficulty in killing other Muslims who do not appear to be praying hard enough.
Muslims have no difficulty in killing other Muslims who happen to belong to another Muslim sect..
Muslims have no difficulty in executing other Muslims who refuse to participate in terror campaigns.
Muslims have no difficulty in killing Muslim ice cream vendors whose only crime appears to be trying to earn money to feed Muslim Children.
Muslims have no difficulty in beheading 85 year old sisters who certainly posed no threat to Muslims.
Muslims have no difficulty in throwing elderly wheelchair bound civilians into the ocean from a cruise ship..
Muslims have no difficulty in assassinating other Muslim leaders who try to build better Muslim nations.
Muslims have no difficulty in killing Muslim civilians for no apparent reason...maybe just to see blood flowing..
......Muslims only seem to have a problem when then encounter kuffars with guns....
......""Kuffar are cowards"...you are mistaken...
Concerned Citizen,
I have a question. Did not in the Acts of the Apostles,was a person who got a vision from the Lord showing many different animals, meaning there is no more diet restrictions? Please check it up and get back to me, thank-you.
For there to be a "hate crime," doesn't there have to be, besides racial or "cultural" hatred, also damage or intended damage to someone else's property, and/or violence or intent to commit or provoke violence? As a commenter above said, "I see the hate, but where's the crime? Littering?"
Perhaps it should be granted that the littering in this case came close to some sort of legal boundary defining harrassment, but was the line actually crossed? Or is this just a case of free speech? It could be felt as a threat of course to find such intentionally hate-charged "litter" dropped on one's place of worship, and in that sense it might reasonably be defined as "hate littering," which under some circumstances could be some sort of illegal harassment, I guess. Just as protesters are sometimes required by law to stay beyond a certain minimum distance from this or that location, so might what this "litterer" has done be considered illegal. That the illegality was not a mere violation of the boundaries of legitimate "protest zones," but included a certain invasive hatred, might justify a somewhat enhanced penalty (unless my thinking here is somehow entirely mistaken), though what a reasonable penalty for invasive and hate-charged littering would be, I've no idea. Perhaps a small but not entirely nominal fine?
Traeh, who cares? You are thinking about it too much. The point is not whether it was hateful, or whether it stepped on someone's religious rights, whether a crime was committed, etc. The point is it got the reaction that the sender was looking for and educated all of us on where to find Islam's Achille's Heel.
Bringing up and pointing out the irrational response that Muslims have whenever ANYONE crosses them is what we need more of, lots and lots more. Because average, everyday,ordinary people are beginning to take notice. Just regular people don't like it when someone is acting haughty or demanding. Think back to a time when you were in line and some smug jerk cut in front of you and the people behind pitched a fit and the guy ended up at the back of the line. Average people, in America anyway, that I know don't just take that stuff lying down. We all spend too much time in traffic, in line at the Post Office, at the grocery store, and at Walmart and we're tired and cranky. So when a group of Muslims who are looking to get a rise out of us pull something that totally goes against the grain in our own country, everyday people are starting to say, hey, no, that's not right. They might not know what to do yet but they know their rights are being trampled on. And we're here ready to show them the way to Jihad Watch U for some good old education.
The other thing is that the flying Imam scandal was used to get a reaction out of us so that the Muslims bent on destroying our rule of law and adding the U.S. to their Dar-al-Islam bag watched our reactions so they could fine tune their attacks. Now the shoe is on the other foot. I say we do a little more agitatin' and watch for their responses so that we can do the same thing. Oh heck, let's do a lot of agitatin'. I'm sure CAIR in Anaheim, New York and the other cities where there were anti-CAIR rallies back on 3/31 were thrilled to death that a lot of people are on to them.
bigcatgirl13106,
That was earlier in Acts
Acts 10:13
Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
Also, in Acts 11:7, which also resulted in Peter being sent deliver the Gospel to the Gentiles.
The Jerusalem council later gave the admonishments against "food sacrificed to idols, from blood, [and] from the meat of strangled animals"
The rationale is discussed in
1 Corinthians 8:7-13
7 But not everyone knows this. Some people are still so accustomed to idols that when they eat such food they think of it as having been sacrificed to an idol, and since their conscience is weak, it is defiled.
10 For if anyone with a weak conscience sees you who have this knowledge eating in an idol's temple, won't he be emboldened to eat what has been sacrificed to idols? 12 When you sin against your brothers in this way and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
and
1 Corinthians 10:25-29
25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 27 If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28
But if anyone says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then do not eat it, both for the sake of the man who told you and for conscience' sake — 29 the other man's conscience, I mean, not yours. For why should my freedom be judged by another's conscience?
As well as in Romans 14.
Concerned Citizen,
Did my own research and in Acts Chapter 10 it was Peter who got the vision from the Lord on the issue of clean/uclean animals.
Thanks concerned citizen.
Assalamau Laikum Bigcatgirl,
You say "Did my own research and in Acts Chapter 10 it was Peter who got the vision from the Lord on the issue of clean/uclean animals".
Naaah....more than likely Peter eat bad meat...got ill and was hallucinating!
Glad to see you're still interested in Christianity, Naseem. Of course your interest will really peak at the judgement. At least you are embarrassed by Abdullah; that will count in your favor (the outcome will be the same, though).
if i wrote a book about my (hypothethical)sexual exploits with little girls, (which i would never do) then rightly so i'd be arrested and placed on the sex offenders list. yet islam promotes paedophilia and when people protest agaisnt paedophilia in the koran they are accussed of beign "racist" or "islamophobic"?
Why is hate a crime? I have never been able to figure that one out.
Ham for MoHAMmad. Where's the problem?
And if Muslims prefer Death to Life, then Death to Muslims: it's what you want, no?
If my neighbor molests my daughter and I in turn hate him for it, am I committing a crime? Yes according to leftard ideology. The people that a society tolerates is a measure of that society. Therefore, if you tolerate evil if you do anything except hate and despise it, what kind of human are you, can you even be called human. I trust in my knowledge of good and evil and if there is a conflict between that and some leftard ideology (hate crime = thought crime) I really do not give a rats rear end what they do to me. What do I care what a mere mortal can threaten me with. It is far more dangerous to stand for nothing in the end. It is said that we will be judged by our deeds and I have to believe the lack of deeds will be a factor as well. I am glad to hear that the love death just as much as we love life. That will come in handy in the future. Never sacrifice your principles for any questionable authoritarian BS. Many of those who thought this garbage up stand for nothing and therefore deserve nothing in return, especially our respect or adherence to their stand for nothing ideologies. Many in America do not belong here and should be tossed out asap. It matters not who or what you think you are, the truth is all that makes a difference. What is worse following like sheep those who have proven they care nothing for us or following the right path regardless of any threats from any person in any position? Stand up for what you believe in and never back down you will not be disappointed.
"Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionists"
Shouldn't that be...
"Racist skin-head, Jesus worshipping zionist nappy-headed hos"
Ohhhhh ha ha ha, talk about pot calling the kettle black. Your "prophet" had epileptic seizures and had "revelations". He even knew he was "possessed by evil spirits", and his 1/2 brained wife Kadija told him it was "god". Funny isn't it? How women are "stupid and menstruate", but on matters as important as this, she's a sage.
How is this event any worse than a bunch of muslims stomping on our American flag,ripping it apart and burning it on the streets of New York. Doesn't the first amendment cut both ways?
Kuffar are cowards...shooting at innocent civillians from high altitudes.
Nah, we just believe in peace through superior firepower.
http://www.lifelibertyetc.com/
Kuffar are cowards...shooting at innocent civillians from high altitudes.
Everyone can thank Bill Maher for stating the same idea many months ago.
I have concluded that Mohammedans are idolators. Treating the Quran as it must be treated is idolatry. Any Quran is just a book with paper and ink. Some are leather bound made with gilt letters, some are paperback. The difference is the price. It is just a book, but Mohammedans insist it is an idol.
Mohs are hypocrites after all.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/sussex/6549747.stm
it's called cultural invasion (multi-culturalism) turns sour as the british population realise they have been conned. next will come the bombs from home grown british pissed off that they are getting ethnically cleansed in their own lands.
disclaimer:
(i would not recommend the british people go down this route of using violence and force to defend our country, but to follow and adhere to the legal british democracy to change and protect the UK from islam. violence is not the way and will damage our goals. in fact stupid acts like this will only enforce socialist views that islam needs protecting through draconian measures.)
more mosque burning in the UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/southern_counties/4339747.stm
"...but on matters as important as this, she's a sage."
Posted by: interestinconundrum
Such an excellant point. Moh was declared a prophet on the testimony of half a person. What a bargain. If she had been a man, could he have been declared an archangel?
I am no longer amused by the banter generated by seemziez and dullard. The humor of it all left me yesterday evening as I looked ay shiva's blog post showing images of the young Thai woman who was so brutally murdered. I hold our little JW mohametan cheraleaders, as well as all the other stupid mohametan mouthpieces I have encountered over the years, as perpetrators of this act. I consider them to be directly responsible.
Also I know what the Thai government can do to put a stop to this. It doesn't involve nuclear weapons. It is simple really. I'm quite sure they will get around to it soon.
ZK
You know, I've been thinking about the littering aspect of this. If a person drops some paper on a sidewalk, that's littering. If that same person drops some paper in a movie theater or a shopping mall, that's not techincally littering, since it's not governmental property. You cannot be given a summons for littering in those 2 places. Rude? Yes. A crime? No. Not even a misdameanor. The same things apply to putting litter on the steps of a mosque. Since it's not governmental property (like a movie theater or shopping mall) the police do not have the authority to give out a summons for littering when a book is left on steps of a mosque.
Nabi,
Do you have a link for that?
this might be a case of unlawful garbage disposal....
ZK,
I found it. I agree with you.
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/04/this-is-not-bbc-cnn.html
It has been proved scientifically that bacon fat is essential to the development of the human brain. Without it people become paranoid and tend to suffer severe hallucinations, such as thinking that angels or gods are talking to them.
Bacon is essential to your mental health!
"But meanwhile if you want to show how much of men you are, you know where I live, come to central london, oxford street 4th July and SHOW ME YOU DISRESPECTING THE QURAN..."
sorry jackass, nobody is interested in the address of the muslim brothel where your mother works
HIP HIP HOORAY!!!!!
I am so glad someone is acting sensibly!
memo to Pelayo: Islam is indeed idolatry. Allah is none other than the Mesopotamian 'moon-god' also known as Baal, Sin, or Marduk. Note that crescent-moon that is used as a universal symbol of Islam--- where do you suppose it came from???
(Allahfunco, I got my screen name from you. Thanks for the idea.)
Posted by: Mo Foe
I am glad I was able to help. Original credit for MoFoe should go to another Jwatcher who first introduced the phrase. I found it so compelling that I have to include it in my vocabulary.
We are all here to teach and learn and educate one another after all. Developing and sharing a common lingo is part of our resistance.
Apologies to the person whose name I can't recall.
I don't want to say who inspired my name because they may not necessarily want the 'credit'.
But just for fun.. check this out:
http://www.affanculo.org/indexflash.html
But meanwhile if you want to show how much of men you are, you know where I live, come to central london, oxford street 4th July and SHOW ME YOU DISRESPECTING THE QURAN...Allahu akbar, I know drinking blood is Haram but you never know (I will ask Allah to forgive me)
Posted by: Abdullah
Can you please give us your flat # and precise street address, Abby? Do it for me.
I promise I won't fly over from high and drop bombs on you from afar.
And that's no Kitman.
..and we know from the koranimals' destruction of Joseph's tomb(where Siddurs and Teffilin were burned) how much they respect the holy books of other religions..
here the roaches swarm over the tomb prior to converting it to a mosk..http://www.israel-wat.com/y1b.jpg
quranimals with jewish holy book trophys taken from the Yeshiva of Joseph's tomb..
http://www.israel-wat.com/y1c.jpg
dancing around the gravestone..http://www.israel-wat.com/y1.jpg
main pagehttp://www.israel-wat.com/pics2_eng.htm#a2
Get ready to sing:
"Hold the Pickles,
Hold the Lettuce,
Special Orders Don't Upset Us..."
Allahfanculo,
The least I could do in return for my screen name is spell yours right! :-)
Abdullah makes Muslims look so bad, I'm almost tempted to think he's beem planted just for that purpose. But even if he's not, he still makes Muslims look really bad (that is, reactionary, violent zealots who care more about a book or being offended than human life, or freedom of speech or due process).
What a great example of what we're up against here!
http://cgi.ebay.com/QURAN-BOOKS-ENGLISH-AND-ARABIC_W0QQitemZ280102899905QQihZ018QQcategoryZ268QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Islam is a hate crime.
Thank you thank you thank you.
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When I was young, I attended a very strict Catholic grade school in a lower-middle class neighborhood that was frequently mentioned as a good example by Fr. Theordore Hesburgh (President of Notre Dame at the time upstate), the Hoosier Governor in office at any time (downtown Indy), and even the prevailing Archbishop.
My brothers and I woke up one morning to hear the shocking news that the statue of St. Theresa of Little Flower outside our church attached to our grade school had been defaced with feces and paint.
Next morning we also heard that I and my second-oldest brother --- specifically my amateur boxer brother and me, not my aspiring non-controversial race driver brother --- had committed the horrific anti-Cathoilc religious hate crime.
Soon, all three of us found ourselves fist-fighting the mob, first in the halls at the grade school, then on the steps outside the church, and finally, actually, from out front porch.
When the real perp was identified in the local paper and quietly convicted, nobody apoligized. Not a goddamned soul.
So, at 10 yrs of age, I realized that this was not a fact-gap problem, but a perception-gap problem. This is why, a decade later in college, I intensively read Marshall McLuhan from McGill U. in Montreal. He understood what caused me to be stabbed but, thankfully, not killed.
Intentional-misperception-hatred, the very building block of Islam. Foundation.
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Sound familiar?
Fact-to-perception flow gaps are the central problem in contemporary world events.
But how about the gaps between what is being set forth in this extremely important webiste and the horseshit being successfully sold in the MSM, the permanent gov't, our collapsed schools, and of course out near-totally corrupt justice system?
Is not comparison between Islam and reality not within human capability?
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Nobody will listen. Magical Mystery Tour is what we're on. I shot guns from the time I was 8. It's gonna be either get real or get guns, and if you're a practical that would be guns with ammo.
If that statement sounds survivalist to your, have you not read the news posts in here the past 3 yrs?
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I simply cannot understand why Fitzgerald and Spencer refuse to listen to obviously correct criticisms to their severe communications problem.
Whatever. Easy for me to say. I'm an American-born citizen armed and ready to resist. Yeah, that's righ CGW, on your advice a sidearm license I now have.
Never can tell when you'll run into a MSP taxi driver or blond blue-eyed exec.
But what I'm not so happy about is the fact that I've got 3 beautiful sons who face Sharia, and nobody seems to give damn.
Clue: The act of accepting Moslems as equal debate partners is an act of abject surrender. The Moslems figured that critical fact out some 1,390 yrs ago.
One of my sons ask these two questions of Spencer and Fitzgerald:
1) Why haven't you read McLuhan, and why have you failed so miserably to reconcile your theory to his?
2) Why do the two of your adamantly refuse to expose the precepts, princples, and texts of Islam to our friends? In mass communications, why is the history of Islam kept secret?
Why?
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Why won't the two of you listen?
Islam is a communications hustle. We've all known that, in our collective memory at least, that Moslems are punk criminals set to the rest of us out.
Hey, I'm a relatively succesful business person behind my psuedonym, but I ain't stupid and I fully realize how powerless I am.
But is there no public figure willing to call Moslems Moslems instead of Mulsims?
Fuck grad school exercises. Where are the TV and radio ads between innings Yankess games?
Excuse my poorly uneducated hillbilly ass, but if the ads ain't in those time slots, they ain't a goddamned thing gonna happen. Just gonna be mental masturbation and NTY Bestseller's List plaudits.
But is there no public figure willing to call Moslems Moslems instead of Mulsims?
I have been thinking about this too, APF. I grew up calling them moslems, I really do not remember when it changed. I guess it was about the time Peking became Bejing. I will try to remember to use moslem.
Kuffar are cowards...shooting at innocent civillians from high altitudes.
Nah, we just believe in peace through superior firepower.
http://www.lifelibertyetc.com/
Posted by: interestinconundrum
We didn;t start the war, Abby.. so yes, let's USE what we got! We didn;t get ours for FREE.. ie. oil in the ground!
We WORKED for it and we used our BRAINS to invent it. Too bad we're selling to the moFoes.., and we're letting them study in our lands.. we are SO stupid!!!
I will try to remember to use moslem.
Posted by: interestinconundrum
My record on that one is clean. I've always called them what I've known them to be: moslems.
GAG!
No need to let them redefine the spelling or the pronunciation for me.
I knew Satan was Satan from Day One.
Jus as moslem is a moslem is a moslem.
Screw the fancy moosleemah shyte!
And a mosk is a mosk is a mosk.
GAG!
Sometimes it's okay and the Supreme Court in fact struck down Virginia's attempt to ban cross burning under a law making the mere burning of a cross whether on private or public property prima facie evidence of an intend to intimidate, see Virginia v. Black (2003). A cross burning, whether done on private or public property, directed at a specific target is qualitatively different from a cross burned at a public klan ceremony.
I'll take a wild stab at this one and assume that nobody has been arrested and the Mosque didn't have and Security Video to prove who did it.
Keep in mind that when a burnt Quran was left at a Mosque we later found out that a Muslim did it because they weren't sure how to deal with Qurans after they're damaged from fires .
But no , it's too easy to create the Ghost-Islamophobe that travels the USA vandalizing Mosques and Qurans.
I thought CAIR and Muslims oppesed "Racial profiling" , or do they only oppese it when Muslims are the criminals.
Alarmed Pig Farmer and interestinconundrum - they are neither muslims nor moslems. They are mohammedans.
They follow the evil teachings of Mohammed, and any attempt they make to call themselves by other names is just more misleading propaganda. Moslem and muslim are both, like Islam, something to do with submission and/or peace. And if Islam is peaceful then (as a friend of mine is fond of saying) my c**k is a kipper.