Still, the next time there is unrest, the mainstream media will blame the British government for not working to integrate the country's Muslims. "Muslims will not waver over veils," by Jonathan Wynne-Jones in the Sunday Telegraph, with thanks to High:
Britain's Muslim community overwhelmingly believes that women should be allowed to wear the veil, despite fears that it presents a barrier to integration, a study has found.Almost nine in 10 Muslims think that any government moves to ban the veil would hurt social cohesion.
Schools already have the power to ask pupils to remove the niqab - which covers the entire face apart from a slit for the eyes - to improve safety, security and learning.
There have been calls for a wider debate on whether it is appropriate for the full veil to be worn in public at all. But a Gallup Poll to be published this week found most Muslims firm in the belief that Islamic women should be free to wear it.
While 55 per cent of all those polled thought that removing the veil was vital for integration, only 13 per cent of Muslims agreed.
Instead, they thought that the Government needed to change its economic and political policies toward Islamic countries and show greater respect to Islam.
agree
whenever you find something ugly and that is ruining the city's beauty, cover it, and DEPORT IT.
Fedupagain you just prove that you are a racist bigot with that remarked. First it than muslim woman
want to wear the veil than racist like you have no legal or mortal right to say otherwise.
DefenderofIslam your point would have more power if you had bothered to run a spell and grammar check over it.
The way you expressed it just made you appear a wild and angry muslim.
Many people seem to have forgotten, these days, that respect is something that is EARNED.
Maybe when moslems start respecting women, children, all other religions, international laws, and yes, even LIFE itself, then they may earn some respect.
I'm not holding my breath.
DefenderofIslam
How much your Muslims brothers in CAIR are working to have the religious rights of Christian, Jewish or Hindu minoritires respected in the lands the Muslims invaded in the last 1400 years?
You guys cry for "understanding" and "respect" but your own islamic writtings are filled with hateful, intolerant and mysogynistic remarks.
First clean the filthy Qur'an, then demand something from the civilized world, hmm-kay?
ImNoDhimmi you are wrong. I than getting trie of you people speading lies about Islam. They didnot destory 12000 church in the middle age in North Africa and in the Holy Land from the 7th century to the 12 th century. In Northj Africa many people willing convert to Islam as they never like the Trinining of God being three person. Since the local people built an own they owned church they have the legal right to change then to muslim prayer place. In many case the muslim in big cities and big town brought unused church from the local christian which is perfect legal today and back them. I do let muslim government know my view ehen they donot follow the Koran correct but I cannot force then to change or Allah ask me to change them by force. I wrote to the Saudi Embrassery afew week ago about them missapply than Koran ruleing to say than than woman needed 4 male man to say they where rape.
The actual racist bigots are those wearing the costumes of hate. Those veils, hefty bags and full body screens SCREAM racism. . . "INFIDEL!" "DESCENDANTS OF APES AND PIGS!"
There exists only one doctrine which divides populations into the camps of war and peace - islam IS RACIST. Those choosing to wear the mask of hate are the initiators of insult against non-believers.
The days of ignorance about this doctrine of war are running out as 'infidel' masses educate themselves by reading the 'holy' texts of hatred and war.
Is a decadent way of life equal to the light sent by Allah? Are the blind and the seeing equal?
Nay!
What gets me is the pro-Muslim slant of this survey, and the positive spin that the Telegraph has put on it.
For example:
"The poll found that the Muslim community was largely willing to see fuller integration and trusted major British institutions more than the typical member of the public did."
How do we know this? Because:
"Only one in four Muslims wanted to live in a neighbourhood comprised solely of people who shared their religious or ethnic backgrounds."
"Only"? So that means that a mere 25% of Muslims would prefer to live in separate Muslim-only areas. Can you imagine the outcry if 25% of white respondents had told a survey that they would prefer to live in seperate whites-only areas? The screams of “racism” would reverberate around the world.
"They also claimed a stronger sense of identifying with Britain compared with the general public..."
The question of "British" identity is at the forefront today, with the rise in Welsh and Scottish nationalism, and the growing number of English people identifying themselves as English, rather than British. Muslims, unless they are English, Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish converts, are therefore of course more likely to identify themselves with Britain rather than with any of the four home nations.
"...and had more confidence in the police and judicial systems".
Not surprising. At a time when Britain is facing an epidemic of violent crime and the threat of terrorism, our police are busy drawing up codes of conduct to avoid offending Muslim criminals:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1454238/posts
A more telling sentence from the Telegraph's report is this one:
"Nearly three in four said they were loyal to the UK and 82 per cent said they were respectful of other religions."
So, even without taking into account the likelihood of taqiyya from some of the other respondents, we see that more than 25% of Muslims in Britain have no loyalty to the UK, and that nearly 20% have no respect for other religions.
What a promising future our liberal politicians have built for us.
"Fedupagain you just prove that you are a racist bigot "
show me how people wearing a veil constitutes a RACE, moron.
So christian nuns are part of the filthy muslim race?
"Is a decadent way of life equal to the light sent by Allah? Are the blind and the seeing equal?
Nay! "
that's in your demential way of "living".
In normal civilized countries blinds are treated equally.
But what do you know, followers of the pedo prophet don't allow dogs in their taxis.
"First it than muslim woman
want to wear the veil than racist like you have no legal or mortal right to say otherwise.
Posted by: DefenderofIslam"
also defenderofpisslam, I have rights to say and do whatever I want. There are some cities in italy already banning the burqa and your other ugly outfits.
Don't show your ugly attire nearby, those stuff are better be seen at the zoo.
DefenderofIslam -
Better wipe your chin, you're foaming at the mouth.
the name mohammed is in the top 25 boys name in the UK.
the top 25!
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/specials/babiesnames_boys.asp
Get used to it. There's more.
DefenderofIslam,
“they do not follow the Koran correctly”
Can you tell us in what way you think they do not “follow the Koran correctly”?
“I wrote to the Saudi Embrassery afew week ago about them missapply than Koran ruleing to say than than woman needed 4 male man to say they where rape.”
[presumably, in more conventional English: “I wrote to the Saudi Embassy a few weeks ago about them misappyling the Koran ruling that a woman needed four men to say that she had been raped”]
How is it a “misapplication”? In what precise way are they misapplying or misinterpreting the Koran? And did you get a reply?
DefenderofIslam
does wearing a veil define a race?
i thought that islam was all inclusive ad not based on race.
you are the bigot here "defender of terrorism".
"defender of evil"
"They didnot destory 12000 church in the middle age in North Africa and in the Holy Land from the 7th century to the 12 th century. "
huh?
dude, thats like 800 years ago. and you get enraged about that? seriously, you need psychotherapy and counselling.
It is true that we must respect Muslim beliefs.
Since Muslims may not bow to any man-made law--only Islamic law--they are not fit to live in a place where the rule of man-made law is supreme.
Since Muslims may not tolerate any other religion on an equal footing (only the supremacist dhimmi relationship is permitted), they are not fit to live in a place where relgious tolerance is the rule.
Since Muslims are required to pursue genocide against an explicitly named group (the Jews), they are not fit to live in a place where genocide is a heinous crime.
Since Muslims are required to wage perpetual war against their non-Muslim neighbors, they are not fit to live in a place where it is a crime to assault, deceive, or steal from fellow citizens.
Muslims, by clinging to an immutable, destructive belief system, are simply not fit to live in and amongst free men. The Islamic world must be quarantined. No Muslim should be permitted to set foot on our soil, for any reason, ever. Those who are here should be deported, or otherwise reminded every day in in every way that they are persona non grata, and are invited either to convert to a real religion, or to leave permanently for Dar al Islam. Until then, they will be shunned. And we must always let them know, unapologetically, why they are being shunned.
Shunning them is how we show them their due respect. That is the only respect we owe them, and it is richly deserved.
Is a decadent way of life equal to the light sent by Allah? Are the blind and the seeing equal?
Nay
First of all, there is no Allah. He/She/It does not exist.
Secondly, if He/She/It existed, the probability that His/Her/Its 'light' would exactly duplicate what is written in the Koran/Hadith/Whatever is 0%.
So, as a result of these two facts, nothing you or any Muslim has to say is anything but sheer nonsense.
DefenderOfIslam, thank you. This is my first time on the page, and I was going to say something, but you took the words out of my mouth. You stole the stage. You proved beyond a reasonable doubt the point that I wished to make. Your religion incubates thoughts far past the term life of an idea. They reach the festering point and then erupt and spew out their vitriolic disease on the rest of us. I won't ask you to explain why the woman who was raped was sentenced to lashes. I won't ask you to explain how "the cause" allows you to strap bombs to children--the innocent. I won't ask you to explain your intolerance of other cultures while demanding tolerence of yours. I won't even ask you to explain why your idea of a fair and just life is making everybody in the world cowtow to the mysogynistic ways of your culture. You are measly parasites that use your uneducated to massacre those that you hate in order to force them into slavery. That way they have to give you your precious jizzya so that they will be forced to convert to your oppressive religion. Yeah, think about it. I actually read up on it. I know that talking about Dhimmi crap by an ifidel is a supposed offense. Did you ever stop to consider the fact that it is an offense all by itself? Tell you what muslim boy--if you want to impose certain restrictions on women in a country--why don't you try a novel idea? Go to a country that accepts your oppressive religion? The rest of us cats like our freedom just fine. Oh, and to pour salt into your wound... Every time one of us Special Operations Brothers puts two in the chest and one in the head of every one of you "peaceful Muslims" that are attacking us, it feels just like recoil, mixed with a little bit of happiness. You are the scourge of the earth. Oh, by the way, any time you feel like mindlessly following someone's suggestion to strap on a bomb, please realize that you are a tool, in every sense of the meaning.
P.S. There are no 77 virgins, you moron: It's a lie told to you to get your "It's OK to be gay until I'm 34 then I have to hide it" ass to strap a bomb to yourself. You didn't think that they could get you to stop "making boys toys" was going to sell suicide, now did you? Hell, you already do that...
Why should the supreme "religion" of imperialistic Islam bow to the restrictions of the infidels whom they are invading?
Wise up, EU.
It's the jihad, stupid!
"Racism... racism... racism", they scream.
First, yet again, we must point out that Islam is a religion. And there are Arab Christians, "GASP", so you can't even play that race card.
Second to be considered a RELIGION it must have it's beliefs and tenents subject to review, criticism, and yes even slanderous attacks, just ask Catholics and Jews, Mormons and Buddist.
If your "religion" can handle this intense debate of ideas, then it's a cult. And if it's a cult the incourages murder and suicide then it called a "Death Cult", I might give you "Thrill Kill Cult" if you really want that.
But here in America we have an interesting way of dealing with cults that threaten the state. Just ask the Branch Davidians.
Well good luck with all that DefenderofIslam.
Step one is to stop the bleeding, meaning, no more
of these pedophile worshippers allowed in to
civilized countries.
Step two is making it uncomfortable for the ones who
are here, so they get the hint and go back to the
hellholes that spawned them. Let them worship the
lying scumbag Mohammad and his sock puppet Allah all
they want, far away from us!
I don't know how it will work for the UK. I hope it
works out well, but it looks like only the BNP has
the right idea. Over here in the US, I'll be
stocking up the arsenal and practicing more.
Frankly, I'd prefer that veils be mandatory for Moslem women; veils for women, beards and funny hats for the men. Makes identification much easier, doesn't it?
I used to live by a large community of people, whose religion and way of life was very different than mine. The women always covered their heads, wore clothing that covered much of their bodies, and the men wore beards and hats. They were the Amish...the difference is that my Amish neighbors never threatened to force me to wear their style of clothes, adopt their lifestyle choices, (no electricity, traveling by horse and carriage)or their particular interpretation of religion. The fact that I was a minority in the rural area and they were in the majority did not matter. They respected me, my beliefs....they are truly a religion of peace...NOTE TO MUSLIM POSTERS: get to know some Amish... you might learn some amazing things, like tolerance, kindness and fairness...
DefenderofIslam:
If you are so terribly upset about the way you are supposedly treated over here in the civilised world, why don't you and your fellow cult followers simply do the obvious thing? That is, go and live somewhere else. Go and live in another society where prancing about in a veil/niqab/burka is considered to be praiseworthy and desirable. That way, both you and I would be happy, wouldn't we?
I suspect that you know the answer to this question as well as the rest of us do.
puppyhasher=truthteller
'nuf said
I nabi ZK have spoken
nabi ZK
The word racist can cover than person who hate another religion this is the new legal meaning of the word some court of law are useing get use to be call a racist. I find the muslim community to be less violation than the christian community in america. CAIR does treach respect for other religions compare to than Christian Bookstore that have over 75% of it book treach hater of over religion run by the Southen Bapist Church. Italy isnot than free country it cities ban the clothes that muslim woman want to wear. I cannot wait untril America become a muslim societry so we can end all dipmant and military and ecomony trie with Demark,Italy, Dutch and Germany. They dipment will be expell from america and they embarry turn into homeless people shelter or new park no turning over to the swizz government.
"I find the muslim community to be less violation than the christian community in america."
Posted by: DefenderofIslam"
.....Muslim communities in Muslims countries are very unsafe...Muslims attact other Muslims with AK47s, grenades, suicide bombs, honor killings, Shaira law, and other violent activities....
........The Christian community does not envision a neighborhood of Islam, the religon of peace....The Muslims want to dominate the Christians by eradicating them....
"Sura (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place" This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
....Muslims punishing other Muslims who do not join in killing the Non Muslims....Christians do not treat fellow Chrisians is such a way...
Islam is flawed...
"9 in 10 Muslims think government moves to ban the veil would hurt social cohesion."
Well, yes, from the point of view of Muslims who want Islamic customs to be the norm of the Western country they live in. They want ISLAMIC social cohesion. Why do they struggle to establish such alien customs in Europe and the West? The lifestyle they want already exists in Saudi Arabia, Iran, all across the Middle East. I'll bet if they really wanted to live under Sharia, and chose to leave their local European country, that the native European citizenry would donate plane fare to get them out (if they promise to stay gone). I'd sure donate!!!!