The mainstream media, unable to come up with any lynchings of innocent Muslims by angry Islamophobic mobs, or any torchings of mosques, or any beatings, or much of anything at all, continues to report the "fear" of a "backlash" among the poor Muslims around Fort Dix, who of course hate terrorism and are shocked, shocked, that a jihad terror plot was hatched in their midst by their coreligionists.
The best they can come up with to reinforce the claim to privileged victim status in this article is a door kicked in and a "racial slur" uttered, according to Muslim Tatar, the father of suspected jihadist Serdar Tatar. Muslim and Serdar Tatar are Turks, aren't they? So what "racial slur" was uttered? An anti-Turkish one? An anti-white one? The intrepid Star-Ledger reporters Jeff Whelan and Susan K. Livio don't tell us. Nor do they go to police to corroborate the lawyer's story of the door being kicked in. I mean, who would doubt it? After all, business has dropped off at Muslim Tatar's restaurant! Oh, the horror! Will the Islamophobia never end?
Question for Whelan and Livio: where is your story interviewing the families of military personnel at Fort Dix, asking them how their lives would have been changed had this jihad plot succeeded?
"Trouble descends on families of the Fort Dix terror suspects," by Jeff Whelan and Susan K. Livio for the Star-Ledger:
One of their parents was arrested, another reported receiving threats, and a leader of the mosque where they worshipped is worried about a backlash.As the six men charged in the alleged Fort Dix terror plot face a bail hearing in Camden this morning, their family members and community are struggling with the fallout from Monday night's arrests.
Ferik Duka, father of three of the suspects, also was arrested earlier this week, on immigration violations, and is in federal custody, two law enforcement sources said. His wife, Zurata, was also issued a summons but not taken into cus tody because the couple also has a 16-year-old son, said the sources, who requested anonymity.
Federal investigators have found no evidence linking Ferik and Zurata Duka to the alleged plot by their sons Eljvir, Dritan and Shain, to kill soldiers at Fort Dix. But, one of the sources said, "You can't ignore the fact that they are here illegally...."
Good.
Richard Sparaco, representing Tatar, said his client will plead not guilty.He added that Tatar's arrest has taken its toll on Tatar's parents and the Cookstown restaurant run by his father, Super Mario's, not far from Fort Dix. Prosecutors accused Serdar Tatar of conducting surveillance of Fort Dix while working as a pizza deliveryman for the restaurant.
Sparaco said that since the news broke, nearly all the employees at the restaurant have quit and business has dropped dramatically. He said Tatar's mother, who is in Turkey, is on the verge of a nervous breakdown and the defendant's father, Muslim Tatar, is distraught.
"He has a feeling he is going to have to close up shop," the attorney said.
According to Sparaco, Muslim Tatar said someone kicked in the front door of his house Wednesday night and shouted a racial slur. The elder Tatar has also received threats and "nasty messages," Sparaco said without elaborating.
A leader of the South Jersey Islamic Center, where several of the suspects worshipped, said that while the Palmyra mosque has not received any threats, they fear they "are going to face a backlash."
I condemn the goons who are not eating at this restaurant.I Support eating at restaurants .
"Sparaco said that since the news broke, nearly all the employees at the restaurant have quit and business has dropped dramatically."
And his business is failing because of community 'backlash'.
I see they still teach logic in law school...
People who devour every MSM tidbit as being the gospel truth don't have much of a life and are generally uniformed...
"Question for Whelan and Livio: where is your story interviewing the families of military personnel at Fort Dix, asking them how their lives would have been changed had this jihad plot succeeded?"
.....these two morons would be at the dead soldiers homes, even before the funeral, asking the parents: "Don't you believe President Bush is the reason your son died?" or "Don't you feel your government has failed to protect you?" or "Don't you feel America is causing all this Muslim violence?"
So what's a few less pizza orders when you've booked 72 virgins in Paradise for ever and ever and ever and ever?
Send 'em all back, RIGHT NOW! To whatever Islamic totalitarian dictatorship they came from.
Do they sell cheese and ham pizza there?
while the Palmyra mosque has not received any threats, they fear they "are going to face a backlash."
l think these muslims know they deserve a backlash, as that is how "they " think when something is done to them as shown by "their" actions against infidels. they backlash against Christians in muslim countries, they backlash against Buddists, Hindu, and of course the Joos. Backlash must be part of their thinking process while reading the koran.
"Will the Islamophobia never end?"
Islamophobia is quite Islamic ... after all, Allah himself was Islamophobic ... he is the one who started all that crazy Islamophobia talk with that hate speech of his.
BTW. Mohammed is Islamophobe too.
Would these be the people the congress wants to make legal??
Illegal better keep the laws on the books and clean out people like this!
so these people would fit the bill congress want to let stay in the USA??
I don't like that Idea!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
WooHoo, Familyfirst!
Can't remember the last time I heard a Canuk talk like that...are you from Alberta or somethin'?
Keep ramblin'...me likes.
After 9/11 we all experienced new rules and regulations that inconvenienced us all.
While everyone in the MSM is all sorry for this muslim run restaurant how is this affecting all of the other INNOCENT restaurants and delivery businessis that do business with and on Ft. Dix?
And will military bases be changing rules regarding food deliverers nation wide that will impact business/profit for small businesses?
Is the MSM going to whine about muslims changing the rules for everyone and probably cause small business owner to go out of business?
Unless Muslims publicly reject Jihad and Islamic supremacism, including parts of the Quran, Hadith and Sira that promote those fascistic ideals, why should anyone be obligated to work for them or patronize their businesses, whether the proprieter has a jihad son or not?
In fact, everyone should feel an obligation to boycott Muslim businesses if the owners do not publicly reject the supremacist and jihad elements of Islam.
The father should not be verbally or otherwise assaulted, obviously, nor should he be believed without proof. Those who do assault Muslims are only damaging the struggle against the fascistic parts of Islam and giving ammo to naive reporters who don't yet realize that Islam is generally hostile to the press freedoms any civilized society requires.
"Sparaco said that since the news broke, nearly all the employees at the restaurant have quit and business has dropped dramatically."
How long will it be before we hear that Muslim Tatar has been "symbolically lynched" by his employees who quit and once-regular patrons who stopped giving him business?
Has Fort Dix found another establishment to give its business to?
List of global jihad murder from the past week (but only those murders that made it into the media) from www.thereligionofpeace.com:
5/10/07 Afghanistan Paktika 3 Killed; 7 Injured; Three Afghan civilians are killed by a suicide bomber.
5/10/07 Iraq Baghdad 23 Killed; 0 Injured; Twenty-three victims of sectarian hatred are found, including several women from the same family.
5/10/07 Iraq Baghdad 9 Killed; 0 Injured; The 'Islamic Army in Iraq' captures nine Iraqi policemen, forces them to kneel, then shoots each in the back of the head while yelling 'Allah Akbar.'
5/10/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 Killed; 1 Injured; Two civilians are killed when Islamists detonate a roadside bomb.
5/9/07 Thailand Yala 1 Killed; 1 Injured; A father is murdered, and his 12-year-old son injured, by Muslim radicals.
5/9/07 Thailand Pattani 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A hospital worker is killed by Islamic terrorists.
5/9/07 Iraq al-Jeblah 13 Killed; 0 Injured; Ten women, two children, and one bus driver are massacred by Freedom Fighters up close and personal.
5/9/07 Iraq Irbil 19 Killed; 80 Injured; A suicidal Sunni takes out nineteen innocent people at an oil ministry building in the name of Allah.
5/9/07 Iraq Baghdad 32 Killed; 0 Injured; Four beheaded bodies are among over thirty victims of sectarian hatred found around the country.
5/9/07 Thailand Narathiwat 7 Killed; Injured; 0 Seven Thai soldiers are ambushed with a roadside bomb. Islamists then shoot the wounded in the head.
5/9/07 Somalia Mogadishu 1 Killed; 1 Injured; A woman is killed when Islamic militants hurl a grenade into a market.
5/9/07 India Sopore 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A 30-year-old shopkeeper is shot to death by the Mujahideen.
5/9/07 Iraq Kirkuk 4 Killed; 0 Injured; Four Iraqi journalists are dragged from their car and brutally tortured to death by holy warriors.
5/8/07 Iraq Diyala 2 Killed; 0 Injured; A married couple are shot to death by Islamic terrorists at the school where they work.
5/8/07 Philippines Tacurong 8 Killed; 23 Injured; Jemaah Islamiyah bombers suspected in blast at a crowded market. Eight are killed instantly or succumb to wounds.
5/8/07 Afghanistan Kandahar 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A 38-year-old Afghan is murdered by Islamic extremists on his way to work.
5/8/07 Iraq Kufa 45 Killed; 80 Injured; Up to forty-five Iraqis are blown to bits by a Fedayeen suicide bomber at an open-air market near a school.
5/8/07 Pal. Auth. Rafah 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A man shoots his 35-year-old sister in the head to preserve 'family honor.'
5/8/07 Iraq Khanaqin 9 Killed; 23 Injured; A suicide bomber kills two people, as seven more Jihad victims are found elsewhere.
5/8/07 Thailand Pattani 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A Buddhist man is shot to death by Muslims as he is on his way to work.
5/8/07 India Kupwara 1 Killed; 2 Injured; An Indian security force member is shot to death by infiltrating terrorists.
5/8/07 Iraq Baghdad 28 Killed; 9 Injured; Twenty-eight Iraqis are liberated by Freedom Fighters in various attacks.
5/7/07 Thailand Yala 2 Killed; 1 Injured; A 70-year-old Buddhist man is among two rubber tappers murdered by Islamic radicals.
5/7/07 Afghanistan Kabul 1 Killed; 5 Injured; A young boy is among the casualities when Islamic extremists fire a rocket into a public building.
5/7/07 Thailand Yala 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A Buddhist plantation worker is shot and set on fire by militant Muslims.
5/7/07 Iraq Ramadi 25 Killed; 40 Injured; Two suicide car bombers massacre over two dozen Iraqis, including those who came to help victims of the first blast.
5/7/07 Iraq Mandili 4 Killed; 2 Injured; Terrorists open up on a bus with automatic weapons, killing four civilians.
5/7/07 Iraq Khalis 4 Killed; 0 Injured; A woodcarver and his three sons are brutally slain inside their shop by Islamic terrorists.
5/7/07 Somalia Mogadishu 2 Killed; 7 Injured; Two children die and seven people are wounded when Islamic militias detonate a bomb in the street.
5/7/07 Iraq Baghdad 36 Killed; 4 Injured; Sectarian hatred within the Religion of Peace accounts for three dozen deaths in at least three attacks.
5/6/07 Afghanistan Ghazni 5 Killed; 2 Injured; Religious extremists target a road construction crew with a roadside bomb, killing five members.
5/6/07 Pal. Auth Rafah 1 Killed; 4 Injured; Islamic fundamentalists attack a school that "mixes" girls and boys in class, killing at least one person.
5/6/07 Iraq Baghdad 42 Killed; 70 Injured; Sunnis car bomb a crowded market, slaughtering over forty Iraqis.
5/6/07 Iraq Baghdad 28 Killed; 11 Injured; Jihadis rack up twenty-eight dead Iraqis in various attacks.
5/6/07 Iraq Samarra 12 Killed; 11 Injured; A suicide bomber blows a dozen souls to Allah.
5/6/07 Chechnya Vedeno 4 Killed; 3 Injured; Four policemen are killed by Jihad militants.
5/6/07 Pakistan Punjab 2 Killed; 1 Injured; Sunnis shoot two Shia clerics to death inside a home.
5/6/07 Afghanistan Kabul 2 Killed; 2 Injured; Two American prison guards are killed by a militant in an Afghan army uniform.
5/6/07 Iraq Karma 28 Killed; 12 Injured; A brutal attack on a wedding party in which twenty-eight people are kidnapped and either beheaded or burned to death.
5/5/07 Thailand Yala 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A man is gunned down by Muslim extremists in a drive-by shooting.
5/5/07 Afghanistan Helmand 2 Killed; 0 Injured; A suicide bomber rams into a police vehicle, killing two Afghans.
5/5/07 Thailand Yala 3 Killed; 0 Injured; A 2-year-old girl is among three people killed by an Islamic bombing.
5/5/07 Thailand Yala 1 Killed; 1 Injured; Islamists bomb a public school, killing a guard.
5/5/07 Afghanistan Farah 8 Killed; 2 Injured; Taliban fighters attack a small town, killing at least eight Afghans defending it.
5/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 16 Killed; 21 Injured; A suicide bomber targets young police recruits, murdering at least sixteen.
5/5/07 Iraq Kannan 4 Killed; 0 Injured; Four members of one family are shot to death by Islamic gunmen.
5/5/07 Iraq Baghdad 3 Killed; 0 Injured; Terrorists mortar a soccer field, killing three children.
5/5/07 Pakistan Dera Ismail Khan 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A civilian is gunned down in a sectarian attack.
5/4/07 Thailand Yala 1 Killed; 0 Injured; A man is hacked to death by Islamists in public view at a market.
5/4/07 Iraq Hilla 5 Killed; 35 Injured; Sunnis bomb a Shia mosque, killing at least five.
5/4/07 Iraq Fallujah 9 Killed; 0 Injured; Nine people, including four brothers, are kidnapped and executed by the Mujahideen.
5/4/07 Pakistan Miran Shah 1 Killed; 0 Injured; Islamists open fire on a car, killing the driver.
5/4/07 Iraq Baghdad 22 Killed; 2 Injured; Two guards at a rival mosque are among twenty-two people killed by sectarian terrorists.
5/4/07 Thailand Yala 1 Killed; 0 Injured; Muslim radicals shoot a man to death and throw his body in a river.
5/4/07 Thailand Yala 3 Killed; 0 Injured; A 7-year-old boy and an 11-year-old girl are shot to death along with their father by Islamic 'rebels.'
5/4/07 Iraq Suwayra 8 Killed; 0 Injured; Eight people are kidnapped and executed by the Mujahideen.
"He has a feeling he is going to have to close up shop," the attorney said.
This man is not a "victim" and does not deserve the kind of sympathy the media is fishing for.
To paraphrase Chris Rock, if your child grows up to be a terrorist, you done F***ED UP!
I think Muslim Tatar should be deported, his buisiness should be seized and auctioned by the government with the proceeds going to fund "the war on terror." Mr. Tatar should be held responsible for not teaching Tatar junior what we all know- that Islam is a wonderful religion of peace, is tolerant of non-Muslims, and that Jihad went out with the Caliphate...
More seriously, congratulations to these employees for showing some sense, and the former patrons for boycotting this pizzeria. Better late than never.
P.S. It must be really torturous for the media to avoid the fact that the plotters were Muslim given that one of the plotter's name was... Muslim!
Sounds like boycotting businesses run by muslims is equal to a hate crime. I always thought I could decide where I spend my money - I must have been wrong.
That Pizza was da bomb!
No! I mean it is really a bomb!
Yes I can see why attendance is down at the local Mo pizza joint. Oh stop the islamophobia nonesense for this is as American as apple pie....I choose to spend thy cash somewhere else.
Islam- the religion of pizza?
Muslims making pizzas is like Italians making burqas.
It don't compute.
Half of the ingredients are "unclean" (sausage, pepperoni, et al) so what the hell kind of pies were they selling?
Sheep's eyeball specials?
The pizza that looks back at you when you bite!
I hear OJ is looking for a new restaurant to eat at, maybe he can get a table here.
He added that Tatar's arrest has taken its toll on Tatar's parents and the Cookstown restaurant run by his father, Super Mario's, not far from Fort Dix.
Poor victims! There's only one thing to do!
Have President bush give this poor family $240 million dollars of taxpayer money as reparations to compensate for the business loss!
"Super Mario's" sounds Italian....nice camaflaugh
Business drops off at restaurant owned by jihadiis...." Oh the humanity...sob."
They are just fortunate they are not Christians living in any islamic country. Let me just say it. I don't care about them or their problems large or small.
Sounds more like BBC & Londonistan every day-whinging and whining about 'those innocent Muslims fearing a Backlash' but not a word about
what would have HAPPENED IF THIS ATROCITY HAD GONE AHEAD AS PLANNED BY DIX SIX.
Being a Muslim means never taking responsibility for what you do-only playing the Victim if caught...Guess ol Mo was just the same.
Capitalism at its best...voting with the wallet.
Had it actually gone down, they would've voted with something a lot more powerful.
The backlash that the muslims fear is a real one. What they fear is that not as many infidels will be as sympathetic to islam, than otherwise would have, had this incident not happened. How many conversions were canceled because of this? How many dollars are now diverted from the coffers of mosques and islamic organizations from naive, but now less naive, liberals, how much less autonomy to survey sensitive lcoations will the next muslim pizza delivery guy be allowed? This is a serious concern for muslims in America. This is the backlash to which they are actually referring - not a backlash consisting of violence, but one of awareness and cynicism of taqiyya. For dawa to succeed, that backlash can not be allowed to happen.
In essence, it is the slow, calculating jihadists who are worrying, and rightfully so, about the presence and antics of the fast, reckless jihadists to blow their cover. Will the latter ruin it for the former?
Stay tuned to find out. (About 20 years)
the real backlash they fear is not violence ie. the sort of pograms committed by them against the jews of north africa for example. what they fear most is the american public waking up to them before they are strong.
"business drops dramatically"
Just having an insensitive moment:
Watching local TV, it always leaves me flat to see some splattered gangbanger's mother going, "AWW LAWWD, MAH BAYBEE, MAH BAYBEE, AwHHH...". Where the hell was she yesterday? Why didn't she know or care? This is no different.
Good.
I'm glad to hear that Americans can still recognize a deadly threat even in liberal New Jersey.
Infidel Pride: just fyi, none of the accused is named "Muslim" (one is named Mohamed). It's the Turk who runs the pizza parlor who is named Muslim.
And Irish-:
"I think Muslim Tatar should be deported, his buisiness should be seized and auctioned by the government with the proceeds going to fund "the war on terror."
I guess you think the parents of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold should be deported, too. And maybe the whole family of the shooter at Virginia Tech. Yeah, they probably did screw up somewhere while raising their kids, but by that reasoning the parents of every criminal should have their lives destroyed.
Have any of you actually met a Turk? Or an Arab, or a regular person from predominantly Muslim country? Or are you yahoos all just so eager to play on stereotypes that you'll bash an entire class/race/nationality/religion because of extremists?
I'm not saying there's no threat from Islamic terrorists--clearly there is. But I get the feeling if there were blogs in 1944, you (or your types) would be happily slurring the Japs and the Jerrys and the rest of them damn furriners.
jinxed,
muslim tatar is here illegally...didn't you know that? he came through brownsville in the '80s and has been here illegally ever since!
I'm very happy that the family members of the suspected jihadis are being shunned and that business at their pizza shop has dropped dramatically.Hopefully the business will go bankrupt and close.I read that one of the cooks quit the pizza shop upon hearing of the arrests of the "Islamic radicals" saying his son was in the military and there is no way he would continue working at that pizza shop.It's good to know that most of the other employees have quit working for the pizza parlor as well.
I'm also pleased to hear that the father who is an illegal alien who brought his three jihadi sons into the country illegally has been taken into custody. Hopefully he and his wife who is also here illegally will be deported back to their homeland.It's important that jihadis and anyone who might be a sympathizer know that there are consequences for supporting the global jihad.Punishing the family members in this way is similar to the practice of evicting whole families from government housing if one family member is found to be dealing drugs.Maybe Muslims will speak up to law enforcement not just whine about victimization if they face the real prospect of deportation from the US.
I think you've confused Tatar with the Dukas guys (Albanians), Kafir. Only thing I see on Tatar is that he came here from Turkey in 1992, presumably legally if his son is a legal resident.
God - I'm starting to worry whether the Tatars had any other tots?
Was that dad blind? Don't ALL Tatars have eyes...?
Them Tatars sure seem thin skinned...
Tatar's tot should fry.
OK -- I'm done.
For now.
His wife, Zurita, was also issued a summons but not taken into custody because the couple also has a 16-year-old son, said the sources, who requested anonymity.
When I was sixteen I had a job, and did not require a babysitter. Wish I could get out of a summons this easily. The immaturity of Muslim men, and they let them get married at this age.
No wonder there is so much spousal abuse and misery.
Jinxed, Duh!
"But I get the feeling if there were blogs in 1944, you (or your types) would be happily slurring the Japs and the Jerry's and the rest of them damn furriners."
posted by Jinxed
You obviously attended one of our wonderful government schools where the History that is taught is fictional.
This did happen, silly person.
In 1955, my older brother, a soldier married a Japanese woman it was still going on then.
Nissan cars were originally sold in the USA as Datsuns because Nissan made War materials that were used to kill our soldiers.
It was a long time before Krups sold products under that name.
I was thinking about how America is filled with people who don't remember when we weren't a Superpower.
It's sort of like the second or third generation of a self-made wealthy family. They think that the wealth and power is self-perpetuating. That it doesn't matter what they do or how badly they behave.
Question for Whelan and Livio: where is your story interviewing the families of military personnel at Fort Dix, asking them how their lives would have been changed had this jihad plot succeeded?"
posted by exsgtbrown
Good question. For that matter, where are the stories about the children of the soldiers at Fort Dix who have nightmars that Daddy will be shot by Islamic Terrorists because he works at the front gate. I'm thinking their lives have been changed somewhat.
Jinxed,
The parents of Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold are partially responsible for the Columbine Massacre they were completely negligent and many lives were forever destroyed because of it..."hmmm my half Jewish son is worshipping Hitler and making pipe bombs in the garage no alarm bell there." I'm under the impression however that these parents are homebred idiots so I don't see how they could be deported.
"Have any of you actually met a Turk? Or an Arab, or a regular person from predominantly Muslim country? Or are you yahoos all just so eager to play on stereotypes that you'll bash an entire class/race/nationality/religion because of extremists?"
Sure I've met Saphardic Jews from Syria, Copts from Egypt, and Catholics from Lebanon- all normal people. I've also met normal Muslims. I can't help but notice though that they are the ones who by and large ignore most Islamic teachings, they ate pork and drank and had sex, didn't pray five times a day ect and yes wanted nothing to do with jihad.
Dear Aunt Bea,
I don't understand your comment about schools and fictional history. Obviously the virulent prejudice against Japanese and Germans DID happen--that was my point. And some of the comments on this blog are so goofy, it's clear that nonthinking persons today are indulging in Muslim-bashing as freely as our ancestors attacked Germans, Japanese, Jews, you name it. Let's kick out all the Irish--they brought the Irish mafia to the US. Let's put all Italians under surveillance, because they probably work for or at least sympathize with organized crime.
Anyway, I'm clearly out of place on this blog and won't stick around. I felt terrible for Muslim Tatar when I read about him in the news, and I don't see much point in laughing at his plight.
Jinxed:
"it's clear that nonthinking persons today are indulging in Muslim-bashing as freely as our ancestors attacked Germans, Japanese, Jews, you name it. Let's kick out all the Irish--they brought the Irish mafia to the US. Let's put all Italians under surveillance, because they probably work for or at least sympathize with organized crime."
ok lets cut through the moral equivlency Bullpellets ok?Can you honestly blame people for bashing muslims here after what they have done AND CONTINUE TO DO.Well common sense will tell you all the groups you mention spare the japs (who Im very fond of btw) have a common western heritage,unlike our very vociferous koran weliding enemy of today who can point to a holy book and reinforce his evil arguement.They never did actualy "kick out" all the Irish did they?nor did they ever "put all Italians under surveillance ,did they? no to both because common sense will tell you that both are just stereotypes that dont stick upon further investigation.
I am not attacking you by the way,nor am I butting in your question with auntbee,just making a point that for the islamic faith/cult/govt it could be fatal if you dont treat them all the same.
Even if some seem nice do you realy know if they follow the koran or are they a ticking time bomb just waiting to go off? preferably on people who dont fight for a living.
And why would you feel terrible for a would be murderer?what about the intended victims?
whos team do you play for anyway?
Jinxed -- I'm truly at a loss to comprehend what you're driving at.
Are you critical of the fact that America roused itself to righteous fury in order to bring the totalitarian supremacist regimes of the Japanese and the Germans to utter destruction and ruin in World War 2?
Or are you more upset, as you appear to be, not that we bombed them and bombed them and killed them and killed them until they surrendered unconditionally, but because WE CALLED THEM NAMES?
What kind of freakish moral inversion are you operating under?
Somehow the relatively trivial atmospherics surrounding the heinousness of war seem to bother your kinky sense of ehtics and morals far more than the actual messy and necessarily violent execution of war.
It's like saying names can break my bones, but sticks and stones are OK.
Perhaps you need to sort some things out in your own mind before you're prepared to contribute to this discussion.
Repeatedly we are expected to believe by entire Muslim communities, entire Muslim mosques, entire Muslim families that they knew absolutely nothing about the blood thirsty plots and exploits of their fascist Jihad children.
Well -- yes -- history shows only as an anomaly that sometimes monsters emerge such as Jeffry Daumer where the parents are truly clueless and honestly can't be held responsible for giving birth to a cannibal mass murderer. That's one a a billion.
But without fail -- EVERY time Muslims have gotten caught in Jihad plots like this -- remember Lackawanna, remember Lodi California, remember Petaluma California, remember Chicago and Florida and Toronto, and dozens and dozens of other Islamic fascist actions and plots of mass murder -- in every single one -- EVERY SINGLE ONE the families and the communities and the mosques not only claim complete surprise and ignorance, but then twist the facts of the case and allege that THEY are the true victims, not the targets of their murderous children and members.
Tatar's story is so old and so stale -- so perfectly in line with the prepared script that ALL Muslims seem to be reading from these days that it strains credulity beyond any level of reasonableness.
Your fatuous pity for Muslim Tatar also strains credulity -- or shows an inability on your part to piece together what the Muslims are collectively doing to us.
They are all engaged in Jihad against us. The actions of Muslim Tatar are simply another part of the JIhad Flim Flam -- the Muslim soft soap routine -- And you've been roped in like a complete dupe -- attacking anti-Jihadists here, and expressing your pity and sorrow for the fate of Muslim Tatar.
That man should at a minimum be arrested and grilled by the best intelligence agents. We must get to the bottom of how deep this fascist cancer runs among the Muslim communities.
The Jihad spewing forth form these Muslim families and Mosques and communities just doesn't emerge in a vacuum -- I have no doubt whatsoever ALL of these communities raise his children, as most of Muslims across the globe appear to do, on a steady diet of contempt for "infidels", hatred of Jews and Westerners, a sense of entitlement, a sense of paranoid victimology, and most importantly the Islamic supremacism and the Jihad which is necessary to bring it about.
In my opinion -- Islam is singular in its capacity to turn every law and precept of our land on our head.
I'm not happy to say this -- nor am I looking forward to the moment when this comes to pass, but there will come a time when we probably will have to consider Muslims guilty until proven innocent in our land. There will come a time when challenging Muslims or being extremley harsh with them will be the least of our and their worries -- this is not because WE are terrible, but because the things they plan to do to us are atrocities beyond the pale.
Their very presence on our soil and their conniving methods have already subverted much of what we have fought so hard in the West to accomplish. They have already caused irreparable harm in our land and to our system.
Many people forget, but before Yasser Arafat begain hijacking planes in the 1960s, "airport security" simply wans't necessary. Muslims have been seriously degrading the security of the world for nearly a half a century - -and now in the aftermath of 9/11 we have almost come to accept the further degradation they have single handedly caused in our land, while they continue to claim to be utterly innocent, or worse -- claim that THEY are the victims after another of their heinous plots are uncovered.
It's time for this to end. It's time for us to reject this flim flam.
I suggest it's time for people like you to stop attacking people in fora like this one, and begin focusing your mind on what you can do to help stop the conflagration Muslims and Islam are precipitating.