Belgium MEP Would 'Strangle' Israeli Diplomat

SOunds like she's a muslim, SHe has her own opinions, as well as her own facts.

Looks like if you hang around with the peaceful ones long enough some of their love will rub off on you. Love of killing that is.

And nobody demands a resignation or at least an apology from this shrew because why??? Had somebody said this of a Muslim ambassador there would be riots, fatwas and who knows what else.

"complimented the Palestinian Authority Arabs for their “moderation and maturity."

....I can see where the daily firings of the rockets by the Palinistians into Israel shows “moderation and maturity."...

...she is a moonbat and should apologize...

Once again thinly disguised anti-semiticism from MEP's who are barely elected and enjoy fat-cat pay cheques from the EU member states.

Don't be so hard on the poor little Eurocrat! If she said this to a Palestinian official she'd be brutalized and killed by next Thursday. She's just being practical and attacking the country she KNOWS won't retaliate.

Just like all of Europe.

bigoted stupid people like veronique are elected ministers in europe, take a look at her mugshot.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/122304

This silly woman has obviously learned nothing of from history.

Is Belgium is so bereft of leadership and a grasp of what is happening on the world front as to think the problem is simply one of Israeli intolerance?

Send this dhimmi a heavy, scratchy, synthetic burqa to wear into the parliament. She will just have to get used to wearing the symbol of servitude mandated by her self-chosen oppressors.

and i thought that only a certain british democratic right wing party were the only ones whom hated the "jews". (according to certain marxist posters on this site)

MEP De Keyser doesn't hate Jews. She only wants to strangle one.

Veronique needs to be put in a burqa, permanently, sent home to cook and clean for a Palestinian fundamentalist Muslim who has permanent status in Belgium, and take her 40 licks from him whenever Allah moves him to do so..or whenever supper is not seasoned properly. After a few weeks of that, I have a feeling her urges to strangulate won't be directed towards any Israeli official.

In other news, several European MPs met with Hamas yesterday and will be officially calling for an end to the Western boycott of the Hamas-led PA.

One of these MPs is Carolyn Lucas, a member of the Green Party in the UK. A while back, I had an email exchange with Lucas about this very issue. At the time, Hamas had just been elected and the EU was struggling with the question of how to deal with the PA and whether to continue paying foreign aid. I was living in London at the time and wrote to all of the UK MEPs urging them not to deal with Hamas.

Here is the exchange I had with Lucas (via her assistant):

Dear Ms. Lucas

Recent articles in the media have suggested that the EU may decide to continue funding the Palestinian Authority, either directly or indirectly, notwithstanding the fact that Hamas is a declared terrorist group and responsible for the murder and maiming of hundreds of civilians.

Such a decision, if taken by the EU, would be an unconscionable reward for terror and surely contribute to a worsening of the conflict between the Palestinians and Israelis.

It would also represent an abuse of power and of taxing authority by European Parliamentarians who should consider carefully whether citizens of good faith wish to see their tax monies donated to groups that espouse violence and terror.

I wish to make clear my opposition – in the strongest possible terms – to any continued funding of the Palestinian Authority or its proxies while Hamas is in power.

Yours faithfully,

Lucas reply:

Thank you for your email which Caroline has asked me to respond to. As far as she is aware, no EU funding has ever been made available to support terrorism in Palestine. Caroline believes that the EU has a crucial role to play in providing financial support to the people of Palestine who face extreme levels of poverty, often worse than that in sub-Saharan Africa.

The EU is the biggest contributor of aid to the Palestinians. Last May it announced new aid worth 250 million euros (320 million dollars) to help create a viable Palestinian state, after the PA’s landmark elections in January 2005. Among other things, aid will help provide general basic education, through teacher training, vocational and technical education to enhance the opportunities of Palestinian refugees at all levels of the education system. In March 2005 a 2 year investigation concluded that there was no evidence of EU aid to the Palestinian Authority (PA) being used to finance armed attacks or unlawful activities. As a result of the investigation the EU is going to assist the PA in improving its internal accounting procedures so that any future accusations can be investigated more quickly.

Caroline believes that education is an important tool in the campaign for peace in the Middle East and will continue to support the right of all Palestinians, regardless of religion, to live without fear of persecution. Her position has always been very clear - that peace depends on mutual recognition. She is wholly opposed to violence and believes that politicians and commentators who focus solely on Palestinian violence are missing the point. For example, during the recent election period more Palestinians were killed in one week by the Israeli authorities than were killed by Hammas throughout. State violence must be condemned as vociferously and meaningfully as that perpetrated by individuals or organised civil groups. And Caroline agrees that genuine peace talks can only begin once a Palestinian State has been recognised.

Thank you for taking the time to raise this matter with Caroline.

Kind regards,
Cath Miller - UK assistant to Caroline Lucas MEP

Followed by my reply:

Thank you for replying to my email on behalf of Dr. Lucas.

Frankly, your letter contains so many errors of omission and commission, it is difficult to know where to begin. While it is true for example, that many of the Palestinians live in poverty, this is largely due to the well-documented misappropriation of billions of Euros and Dollars in foreign aid by corrupt Palestinian officials and the redirection of foreign aid monies to fund the production and import of weapons in the Palestinian territories.

Further, as money is fungible it is not necessary to show that EU monies have been specifically used to finance Palestinian terrorism (although there is much evidence of this); every Euro provided to the Palestinians for ostensibly non-violent activities is a Euro that is freed to pay for violent attacks against civilians.

The educational aid that you cite as being a cornerstone of European assistance to the Palestinians has also been shown to finance schoolbooks that deny Israel ’s right to exist and incite Palestinian children to hate Jews and take up armed struggle. Does Dr. Lucas take pride in this application of European funding?

You argue that Dr. Lucas is “wholly opposed to violence” and cite as an example of moral equivalence, the fact that more Palestinians were killed in one week by Israeli authorities than by Hamas. I wonder if Dr. Lucas is aware that during 2005 alone, there were nearly 3,000 attempted terrorist attacks launched by Palestinians against Israelis and hundreds of rockets fired into Israeli population centres. Would Dr. Lucas seek to prevent the British government from defending her and her family against these type of attacks if they were a daily occurrence in Oxfordshire?

Finally, your email on behalf of Dr. Lucas is essentially retrospective and fails to address the central point of my letter, that of the future role and responsibility of the EU in potentially funding a declared terrorist group — one that is misogynistic, openly hostile to any egalitarian societal arrangement with non-Muslims, and espouses genocide for homosexuals and Jews. Indeed, one must wonder if Dr. Lucas has read the Hamas Charter.

Please thank Dr. Lucas for the time she has invested to address my concerns. The exchange has been most illuminating.

Yours sincerely,

That was the end of the exchange but with yesterday's news of their meeting with Hamas and call for European taxpayer funding, we see that Lucas and other European politicians remain entirely receptive to the openly-stated aims of genocide against the Jewish people and indeed, seek to directly finance this effort. As such, Lucas and her like-minded socialist comrades in the UK must be viewed as being cut from the same cloth as the Nazis of the 1930s and modern-day Islamists who all share the same goal.

Desidude, you can always tell a Lefty when you see their face. There is something about the way they look. It could be some type of biological signature.

I did some work for an elderly grey-haired lady last week. She was very nice and pleasant, but something about her face told me she was a Lefty. Sure enough, a few hours later, in between chit chat about knitting and baking, she, at the age of 70, tells me she is "involved with the liberal party". I knew if I mentioned politics, she would have started.

Somehow I just knew. The face. It's usually in the face. That explains why reason does not influence them. When something is in your blood, literally, in your genetic makeup, facts and reason, are not the most powerful influences on your thinking.

Scientists have toyed with the idea, rather than conclude, due to PC concerns, about the existence of a criminal gene, a gene that predisposes some people to crime, or a biological influence like fetal alcohol syndrome that predisposes one to anti-social activity as well as distorting the face and head. Take a look at those mafia mug shots. Some people are just born that way.

Likewise, I think some people are born with a natural disposition towards the Left. Their faces are not distorted, but there is a something similar about them. Look at those that attend these Leftist rallies, and the faces will tell the story of why they are there and why they can not be reasoned with and why they are prone to outbursts of rage and a general inclination to violence.

The face of Keyser can only belong to one side of this fight.

This woman is insane! Simple as that!

She's one of the Uncle Toms of the dhimmis. Maybe one day most people will recall Karen Armstrong that way, and feel what black people feel toward Uncle Toms.

Charles Martel:
Superb exchange. Outstandingly done.

MEP De Keyser doesn't hate Jews. She only wants to strangle one.
Posted by: ElderlyZionist

Hey we have a guy here in New York who doesn't hate white people. He just wants to "slap a whiteboy". He's on the City Council. Nice eh?

Makes you feel good about paying taxes to the City of New York.

Once again thinly disguised anti-semiticism from MEP's who are barely elected and enjoy fat-cat pay cheques from the EU member states.

Yeah, I'd like to know how these people get into this EU parliament and WHY are all of them radical left-wingers.

Good on ya, Charles Martel. The silence was deafening. It is great to see someone like Lucas and her factotum blown clear out of the water! Now if only she could be blown clear out of Strausburg.

Well, i guess she shows a certain amount of sense, i mean she threatens someone who would not respond, i mean if she had said this about the Palestinian minister, he would have gone jihad on her ass. If that happened, would her fellow leftards blame her for it, probably.

Not the first Belgian to be down on the Jooz. See 28th SS Panzergranadier Division (Wallonie).

Look into her background and she is French. So, being French and Belgium means she can fight on the side of evil and surrender with class at the same time, all while trying to appear innocent and never being correct.

"I don't hate human beings. I just want to trample their soft, pulpy bodies."

Ionesco, The Rhinoceros

She might want to rethink that and check her impulses; all our boys served in the IDF and that Israeli Ambassador could snap her neck in nanosecond.

No one disputes that, its just that no Israeli Ambassador or Minister is going to kill her because she does not pose a threat.

Here's one way to do something practical:

The Belgian trade mission is leading an economic development tour of Silicon Valley at the end of May. You can indicate your support or displeasure with de Keyser's comments and your interest or lack thereof in supporting Belgian economic development by writing:

Dirk Verlee
Investment and Trade Commissioner
Flanders Investment & Trade
C/O Consulate General of Belgium
6100 Wilshire Blvd., Suite 1200,
Los Angeles, CA 90048

His email is

losangeles@fitagency.com

FOR THE RECORD. Let it be known that I AM A EUROPEAN and Ms. De Keyser does NOT speak for me.

She is entirely responsible for her reprehensible anti-Semitism all on her own.

She does NOT speak for me and so many others.

The EU parliament is a shadowy organization of appointed officials who largely are scorned by the citizens of Europe.

As a European I apologize to the entire State of Israel for the incendiary and racist speech of this vile woman who claims to speak for all of us.

The reckless actions of this dangerous woman require that I speak up in oppostion. right now she is coming for the Jews.

One day she will come for me.

But that is not the only reason I speak up. We solemnly swore NEVER AGAIN after the Holocaust. I take that very seriously. It is an OATH we took collectively. And it is a PROMISE.

If need be I will give my life to oppose any attack on this Oath. I promise that I will not stand by and allow violence against Jews in Europe or anywhere else if I am present.

I am not in Europe at this time. But should it become necessary to stand physically against anti-Semitic thugs then I will enlist in whatever Resistance is available at that time.

I base this on the moral authority of the American Brigades that formed to save the Spanish Republic against Franco.

I urge not only my German countrymen to join me in this promise.

The past cannot be undone. So this is the least I can do in the face of our collective guilt and the historical responsability which derives thereof.

And I do not care what the Noah Chomskys of the world might have to say about it.

I know this to be right and self-evident. I will always be on the side of Israel and the Jewish People.

Please join me in proclaiming your support in similar and unequivocable terms.

The enemy within must know that we shall not stand by. We shall resist them. We will not accede to their agenda by remaining silent.

Our silence in the face of this outrageous proclamation is akin to "I didn't see anything. I don't know anything."

Let it be known that this De Keyser person is not an elected official nor does she speak for the vast majority of us in Europe.

We must speak UP so that this our opposition to this verbal Holocaust be known and registered.

I also want the Citizens of Israel to know this. I apologize on behalf of the many who don't agree with the policies of Ms. De Keyser and so many of our 'officials' in Europe when they engage in their unlawful and immoral attacks against the State of Israel.

You should know that you also have some very steadfast friends here in Europe. Friends who care about you. Friends who wish to see you do well and prosper. And most of all we want you to be safe.

Hateful speech like the one by Ms. De Keyser
must be countered resoundingly to let you know that we stand beside you in your struggle for Nationhood in Safety and Independence.

There is but one offically Jewish Nation. There are 57 officially moslem Nations.

There is no moral reason to eradicate this one Jewish Nation. In fact I'd like to see a second one established on the territory of former East Prussia which is currently administrated by Russia with the Capital being Kaliningrad aka Königsberg.

Currently this exclave presents nothing but a headache for Russia. The USA opposed the proposed sale of this territory back to Germany for $40BN at the time of the Soviet breakup so perhaps it could become an exclave of Israel instead?

European Jewry certainly paid enough of a price to warrant their own state in Europe as well.

Amazing, Véronique De Keyser gets away with the threatening and hateful statment :

“If the Israeli ambassador comes in the future to speak of Israel’s security, I feel like I want to strangle him.”

Just what exactly makes this individual immune from EU 'hate speech' laws?

She might want to rethink that and check her impulses; all our boys served in the IDF and that Israeli Ambassador could snap her neck in nanosecond.
Posted by: AmericanJewess

I am so with you on that one. Thank God for her that Israelis are humane and only act in self-defense. There but for the Grace of God goes Ms. De KKKeyser.

I have actually met three Mossad agents in a SOHO bar here in New York about 15 years ago. Not only were they very kind to me after my lady friend I was with announced me to them as "a German" thinking that was funny. They even bought me drinks and my friend eventually left the bar without me because I had a lot of things to talk with them about. Guess she felt ignored, poor dear.

Good riddance too since the way she introduced me to them suggested that she had issues which I hadn't known about before.

I doubt these men would have been so welcoming to me had they been moslems and Germany had wronged their people as we have.

That is why I deeply respect Israelis. They take their time to judge YOU - not some collective you are part of.

They asked me a lot of things of course and I was happy to talk to them about everything they got into. Germans have a hard time talking to each other in such an open way when it comes to the Nazi past in particular.

They also touched on the neck snapping technique you mentioned above. And I belived them. One of them "demonstrated" the grip and I could tell it would have been 100% effective and unescapable had he applied force.

I was glad to see these people are able to take care of themselves since they have learned that when push comes to shove they may well have to go it alone.

I also thanked them for their Nation's support during the hijack of our German plane to Mogadisciou. They were proud of being able to rescue planes witout loss of life to hostages.

These are anything but ruthless killers but rather they are men who might much rather be doing other kind of work. And their talents might actually be wasted as fighters but these are the necessities of life at this time.

I wonder if Ms. De KKKeyser has ever met men like these. Essentially kind men who are warriors not by choice, not because they seek to act out inner sadist impulses. Nor do they seek to conquer and subdue anyone else. All they seek to do is to defend their Nation.

I had already had a very positive view of Israel before meeting these men and they only confirmed my admiration for their country's high moral authority.

They knew they could kill by snapping an adversary's neck and had in fact done so while guarding the border at night. And yet, as precarious as the situation os for the country they defend they exhibited no joy or glee in the killing they told me of. They wished the world were different and they would not have needed to do what they had to do.

They simply could not understand why their enemies would keep on coming and coming to do harm to Israeli civilians while the Jewish State was trying to reach out and bring progres to the entire Middle East so the entire region could share and enjoy prosperity.

It is sad indeed that these dreams have long been shattered. Instead of seizing upon the Jewish influx into the Middle East as an opportunity the moslem states and the vast majority of their populace have nothing on their minds but the removal of Israel from the region.

If the KKKoran wasn't their guiding principle I could have hope that one day they might see the light and engage constructively with Israel and make a lasting peace.

As much as Germany was the major trouble maker in Europe in the last Century it was not driven by an ideology which precluded eventual peace. Nazism - which is a totalitarian outgrowth of nationalism - notwithstanding. Eventually we all learned to subsume our nationalism for the greater and common good of us all.

Can we have the hope that one day the moslems around Israel will come to their senses and do the same as the Europeans?

I really hope they will but I don't hold out hope.

All I can think is that maybe just maybe the situation is kind of like that and they will realize the error of their ways.

But then it took two Great Wars involving the intervention of the United States to settle things in Europe.

So we're no innocent babes here either.

What truly scares me though, is the creeping and increasingly institutionalized anti-Semitism which I am reading about in all of Europe.. fueled by and at the same time enabling the resurgent islam-fueled anti-Semitism in the Middle East.

It would behoove Europeans to remind themselves of our past and own up to our moral responsability to hold the enemies of Israel to our own post-war standards and ideals. Instead I see these ideals are fast eroding. Such is the state of affairs right now that contempt for these very ideals is openly expressing itself in statements such as these by Ms. De KKKeyser, who is in an official capacity in Brussels.

I feel deeply ashamed for Europe as a whole. What we have gained by the blood sacrifice of not only our own forefathers and mothers, but also by the same sacrifice by Americans, Australians and Canadians, is being callously and unthinkingly disgarded by callous careerists who don't even seem to remind themselves of these very sacrifices I am talking about. The unvoluntary sacrifices made by European Jewry should never be forgotten either.

Instead these sacrifices should inform our every political and social action. Solemn speeches and declarations while laying down a wreath seem trite in the face of the daily actions committed by our leaders.

Branding the State of Israel in inflammatory terms does not absolve one of past guilt. In fact it does the very opposite.

It compares the incomparable. It enables those who would vist another Holocaust if given the chance.

It is Israel who is the victim of Arab aggression. Not the other way around.

Just because they have learned to defend themselves both ably and admirably against this relentles aggression does not put them in the wrong.

Ms. De Keyser, it is time for you to reflect and reconsider your words.

Our place is not on the side of aggression. Our place is on the side of the victims.

No one disputes that, its just that no Israeli Ambassador or Minister is going to kill her because she does not pose a threat.
Posted by: Penfold

It's also that they are guided by their morals which don't sanction that sort of thing.

Which sets them apart from the jihadist side I might add.

The French philosopher Pierre Vidal Naquet wrote several years ago that the Jews are only "safe "when they are seen as defenseless victims of EUROPEAN oppression and that as soon as they dare acquire self determination they become worthy scapegoats once again.
for European Jews, a new reverse antisemitism is now operating. It is directed at denouncing their rights to self determination in their own lands. Honourable french Jews must declare their credentials by denying the rights of Israel to defend itself in any military fashion whatsoever. That is why the Belgian woman is so aghast at Israelis taking measures to defend themselves against some of the most hostile and vicious people on the Planet.
In Avignon, during the rule of the Popes, Jews were consigned to a ghetto close to the papal palace and under the protection of the Pope's army. Here one might be led to believe was a noble gesture ensuring their protection. However, the Jews were forbidden to ACT in their own defence if attacked, such defense was restricted to action by the Papal forces.
I mention this to illustrate the mindset that still exists today.

Allahfanculo, thank you so much for your eloquent post and for your support. It is really good for us to be reminded that there are people in Europe who stand on the side of truth and goodness, because the news makes it seem otherwise. You all must just be horrified by the Muslim infestation in your lands and the "creeping Sha'aria." I hope that Europeans will elect better leaders soon and that everyone, including Americans and Israelis, will wake up to the threats Islam poses and act accordingly. Even in Israel, amidst the bus bombings and kassam rockets, we still have Jews who refuse to see the truth and who betray their people to the enemy, though they don't see it that way, of course.

I don't know if you watched The Lord of the Rings trilogy that was so popular here in America a few years ago, but I watched it again this week. It is more than just good entertainment; I feel as if it were written for our time and our struggle with Islam. I only hope that in the real world, the final outcome will be as positive and hopeful as it was in this Hollywood creation. I hope that good wins out over evil, which it can if people of integrity and goodwill unite.

well as an infidel and a woman when the European Union becomes Islamic and it seems to be heading in that direction some upright outstanding Moslem will probably possess her with their right hand. And as
non-Muslims have “absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God’s earth, nor to direct the collective affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines.” If they do, “the believers would be under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life.”
so she would no longer have political power or any power as a slave in some Muslim brothel in an Islamic state and she will finally pay for her left-wing politically correct ideas

From Charles Martel

"I wonder if Dr. Lucas is aware that during 2005 alone, there were nearly 3,000 attempted terrorist attacks launched by Palestinians against Israelis and hundreds of rockets fired into Israeli population centres. Would Dr. Lucas seek to prevent the British government from defending her and her family against these type of attacks if they were a daily occurrence in Oxfordshire?

I think that's called a checkmate, Mr Hammer.

Insanity is spreading troughout Europe. When benevolent poor muslims aquire critical potential, and turn into buchers, no one will remember Caroline and similar idiots. People will run for their lives, panicly asking themselves what has led to that horror. But it'll be too late.

MY DEAR EUROPE, STOP BEING ROMANTIC AND DELIBERATELY DUMB!!! IT WILL COST US DEARLY!!!

But, unfortunately, I think I understand what has happened to Europe. Sleeping on welth and prosperity we've become arrogant and blind and deaf to increasing threats to that same prosperity and peace of ours. Russians and US liberated us from nazis, then US defended us from communism, Eastern non muslim Nations (like Israelis) defended us from radical islam for eternity, and what have we become? Shame!!! Like old fat tripple devorced bitch, sitting in her palace and dealing advices which no one takes seriously. SHAME!!!

In Bizarro world
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro#The_Bizarro_World
it is a crime to do good. I think this chick must be a resident.

I've had personal experience with these moonbat MEP's and although they are elected the process is convoluted and appears underhand.
Most candidates are drawn from being failed politicians..it's a political graveyard full of reactionaries drawn from the loonie left..(in the U.K. anyway)
There's a handful of independents but there as much use as a chocolate teapot.
They don't speak for the people,they are unaccountable,grossly overpaid,overfed,overwatered and in my view utterly useless but i'm no fan of the E.U. as a whole.
It's a waste of resources and a Trojan horse for the Islamists of all persausions.

Again I would like to apologise to all Jews on behalf of the people of the U.K...the majority of which support Israel and see the divisive nature of the Islamic lobbyists here and in Brussels..were onto their gravy train..it's going to get derailed.
Watch the News for the Local election results here in the U.K.
It might be good.

To American Jewess: have you read the original book of 'The Lord of the Rings'? It's much better than the films, and even more applicable to our predicament. J R R Tolkien was a philologist by profession; he survived the trenches of WWI; he was a practising Catholic and his speciality was Anglo-Saxon literature. His imagination was clearly shaped by certain elements of European history both medieval and modern. For instance: doesn't the epic Ride of the Rohirrim to Gondor remind you of the ride of Jan Sobieski's hussars to lift the siege of Vienna in 1683? (remember, Tolkien was a Catholic). He's not simply retelling history in allegory - in HIS story, the people of Rohan have sworn an oath with the people of Gondor and the keeping of this oath saves them both in the struggle with 'Mordor', whereas of course, in real life, Western and Eastern Christendom 'lost the plot', as when Crusaders sacked Constantinople and weakened it and as when, now, Eurabia is betraying Israel. I do think that Tolkien's vision of a centuries-long struggle against an implacable and seeming invincible enemy from a dark mountainous desert land, a struggle that can only be won by unity, oath-keeping and rejection of propaganda and deception (see the chapters called King of the Golden Hall, and Voice of Saruman) was probably inspired by the real-life epic struggle of 'Christendom' against the jihad hordes. I do think his 'Gondor' is LIKE a combination of Byzantium/ Rome/ Jerusalem.

The film doesn't really deal with one of the more important chapters in the book - The Scouring of the Shire. That describes how a peaceful, tolerant society can be 'taken over' by a bunch of marauding bullies - and how it can be freed. French and English citizens might read and reflect upon it with profit, today.

Here's her email. Use it while wearing gloves.

veronique.dekeyser@europarl.europa.eu

Allahfunculo, thank you for your comments. You are a gentleman and a philosopher.

allahfanculo - It was very interesting reading your description of those Israeli guys: "These are anything but ruthless killers but rather they are men who might much rather be doing other kind of work. And their talents might actually be wasted as fighters but these are the necessities of life at this time.

"I wonder if Ms. De KKKeyser has ever met men like these. Essentially kind men who are warriors not by choice, not because they seek to act out inner sadist impulses. Nor do they seek to conquer and subdue anyone else. All they seek to do is to defend their Nation."

"They knew they could kill by snapping an adversary's neck and had in fact done so while guarding the border at night. And yet, as precarious as the situation is for the country they defend they exhibited no joy or glee in the killing they told me of. They wished the world were different and they would not have needed to do what they had to do." (Huge difference between that and the warriors of Islam who display a sickening pleasure in killing for its own sake, along with a great deal of lust and envy and such unpleasant things).
As I read your words I thought of Tolkien's Faramir, who is encountered on a dangerous border patrol: a gentle, scholarly, spiritual man who is also a very brave and skilled fighter. Here he describes his ambition: "I would see the White Tree in flower again in the courts of the kings, and the Silver Crown return, and Minas Tirith ['Tower of Guard'] in peace: Minas Anor ['Tower of the Sun'] again as of old, full of light...beautiful as a queen among other queens, not a mistress of many slaves, not even a kind mistress of willing slaves. WAR MUST BE, WHILE WE DEFEND OUR LIVES AGAINST A DESTROYER WHO WOULD DEVOUR ALL; BUT I DO NOT LOVE THE BRIGHT SWORD FOR ITS SHARPNESS, NOR THE ARROW FOR ITS SWIFTNESS, NOR THE WARRIOR FOR HIS GLORY. I love only that which they defend; the city of the men of Numenor, and I would have her loved for her memory, her ancientry, her beauty, and her present wisdom." In Two Towers: chapter 'The Window on the West'. And at the end of Tolkien's story, after the victory, Faramir convinces a 'wild shieldmaiden of the north' to marry him and off they go to create gardens and babies - life, not death. As, I am sure, so many of those young and not-so-young Israeli soldiers would much rather be doing.

An Italo-Australian friend of mine, commenting on the Lebanon war last year, remarked that she was totally repelled by such Hezbollah men as were shown on the media, whereas of the young Israeli soldiers she said - 'they're all such beautiful young men'. 'Yes,' I said, 'an army of Davids'.

The most vicious and disgusting slander of our age is the propaganda that tries to persuade people that the Israelis are the New Nazis, THE source and agent of death, that Israel (not, say, Saudi Arabia!) = Mordor. Totally denying thousands of years of courageous Jewish affirmation of life. And sadly, so many people like this Belgian MEP have bought the lie. Evidence such as yours, allahfanculo, needs to be spread about more widely. (May I recommend a book - David Lozowick, 'Right to Exist', which among other things discusses the distinction between killing and murder, and the IDF's inculcation in its soldiers of the distinction between merely illegal orders and "categorically illegal orders" - the latter must be disobeyed at all costs.)