Bolton: We must attack Iran before it gets the bomb

"We must attack Iran before it gets the bomb"

Captain Obvious, To The Rescue!!!

bush al-saud and bungling bunch of military "planners" aren't qualified to attack a cheeseburger let alone another ME nation.

This scenario, like all others, will painfully fester and then turn into another disaster.

I always liked Bolton. Now I love him.

It's time

OPERATION BITE

Why isn't Bolton running for president?

Is it any wonder the Dems fear him ?

"Speak the truth and the base man will avoid you."

Assalamau Laikum all,

Mr. Bolton is a pipe smoking time bomb. Can he not see the harm that comes to innocents during indiscrimate bombings of buildings.

The less of you listen to him...the better.

Bolt on the missiles -and strike.

There are no "innocents" around nuclear facilities.

"Can he not see the harm that comes to innocents during indiscrimate bombings of buildings. "

Posted by: Naseem

..perhaps he has seen the death that comes to innocents during the indiscriminate bombings of buildings..as performed by Muslims every day...

I agree. The European Union should get tough with the Iranians. I just don't see the EU taking Bolton's advice. I would think the Iranians would want to deal with the EU.

When the time comes to deal with the Americans, it won't just be a series of strongly worded letters.

For all their talk, should not muslims welcome American bombs? They are the ones always reminding us that "we love Pepsi and they love death."

So, why hesitate on either side? At last we are all in agreement. We dispatch you are the dispatched. Everyone loves a happy ending.

"Can he not see the harm that comes to innocents during indiscrimate bombings of buildings. "

Naseem.

The destruction of those nuclear sites will not be indiscrimate. Despite Ahdminejad's best efforts the locations are well known.

Ahdminejad, in true Islamic cowardly fashion, attempts to hide his nuclear facilities in below ground facilities located UNDERNEATH residential neighborhoods in the hills surrounding Tehran and other cities.

Yes. Bombing those nuclear facilities will result in civilian deaths. But Naseem, why do you care or worry? Allah (piss be upon him) assures you that all who die in defense of Allah's will shall go directly to paradise and will be alotted 72 virgins upon admission. And your brother in blood, Ahdminejad, guarantees this to his muslim brethran as well.

Don't you too want paradise Naseem? What did you say- No? No virgins for you becuase Allah (shit be upon him) forgot to provide for male virgins in Paradise?

Awe c'mon. Allah (vomit be upon him) is all knowing, all merciful. He really has his shit togather. He has everything all prepared for you dear. Your 72 virgins are waiting for you. I say direct your web browser to the For Rent section of the Tehran nwespaper. Find yourself a nice 2 bedroom overlooking the city and strategically situated over one of those sites and move to Tehran. Now. Before your ticket to paradise is taken by another.

Not so fast boys and girls. Bush and Company (Bolton included) have so far not advanced America's interests one iota. This needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

Let Iran attack first. If necessary, goad them on. But let them strike first.

This way, when Israel unleashes the full fury of its wrath on the enemies of God, well, let's just say, they won't have to go back and finish the job.

Patience! Patience! Patience!

It is time for the Eurowimps to get tough with Iran.

Israel will attack Iran....

Mr. Bolton is a pipe smoking time bomb. Can he not see the harm that comes to innocents during indiscrimate bombings of buildings.

Posted by: Naseem

Naseem,

What you and the rest of the believers don't see is that we're ALL smoking time bombs. The 10% of our psyche that is berserker primal man-pig-monkey-animal is being restrained by civilization and culture and optimistic hope.

One day car al-Islam will overdrive its headlights and rush into the night. May God help you all after that day, because no one in the West will try to hold back the juggernaut.

Look at Western history for God's sake and see what we've done in the past. You are one 'incident' away from it and are too blind to see it. This is not a boast - it's a warning.

We are beserkers underneath and the surface civilization protecting you is wearing thin in many locations.

Naseem:

Have you condemned the threats of President Mahmoud Amadinejad?

Should the free world just ignore his threats as pure bluster with nothing behind them, or should we take his words seriously?

Shouldn't the Islamic, as well as the free world be concerned about innocents that are being killed everyday indiscriminately? IE bombs in market places,hotels,restaurants,trains,airplanes,schools, and very tall buildings?

Naseem-- where these all military targets and were they threats to Islam?

Just asking

Plague-

I'm behind that 110%.

Bear shirt, and all.

Assalamau Laikum Leave Iraq now,

I love the writeup....

You say that "all the sites are well known"....you mean like the certainty of WMD in Iraq, like the certainty of Israel defeating a rag-tag Hizbollah...like the certainty that Jesus (PBUH)was a born of a virgin mary....like the certainty that Jesus is not a muslim...I could go on ...but you get the picture.

Ahdminejad, has hidden his facilities in the mounains so that they are not an open invitation to unprovoked attacks like 1979. As far as I know the Amerike too has cowardly...(your words not mine) hidden weapons facilities under rocky mountains in Colarado....surrounded by innocent kafur too...my...so muslim like isn't it.

I care because I do not like to see wanton destruction ...indiscrimiate deaths are a disgusting human trait...by any religion.

As for 72 virgins...I have said it before here...I don't believe such clap trap...it is stated nowhere in the Holiest of Holies...the Koran Sharif...this is a ruse by some clever imam to stay in the background whilst sending youngesters into a blackhole of eternity.

And yes, you are right...Allah SWT is all knowing and all merciful...this is something that your wuslim grandaughters wearing the hijab will know only too well.

You have a good day now ...as they say in the Amerike (for now...anyway).

Bombing. Hardly a sophisticated approach to a complex problem. Nine out of ten for identifying the problem, ten of of ten for having the passion to do something serious, but a fail, I am afraid, on the approach. We need to think more seriously about how to be serious. Bombing is not the key, though it might of course play a part.

Nassem - you never answer me but I hope you read and think about what I'm saying.

exfidel

I am interested in any sophisticated ideas about how to accomplish the destruction of Iran's nuclear weapon development facilities....without using any of those pesky bombs.

"Mr. Bolton is a pipe smoking time bomb. Can he not see the harm that comes to innocents during indiscrimate bombings of buildings.

The less of you listen to him...the better."

Naseem,

It's precisely because we can see the harm that comes to innocents during indiscrimate bombings of buildings that Iran's nuclear facilities must be destroyed.

The bombs Iran intends to use on us Infidels are nuclear, not conventional. What could be more indiscriminate? How many more innocents would die from a nuclear blast than a conventional blast?

Consider also that the day Iran drops a nuclear bomb on Israel or the United States, the response would be the obliteration of Millions of innocent Iranian citizens.

Mr. Bolton is suggesting the most humane course of action. He is suggesting that we save innocent lives, not take them.

As far as "the harm that comes to innocents during indiscrimate bombings of buildings." Since when has a Muslim Jihadists ever cared about that?

Since this information has been made public if one knows who to listen to, America has already attacked the Iranian programs repeatedly.

There have been numerous sabotage efforts at key points for years. The Judeans also neutralized certain nuclear scientists in Iran.

President Bush will indeed attack Iran before the end of his term which is what the Russians, Chinese, Iranians and al Qaeda have been pushing for.
The problems though are three fold.

1. Iran has already 3 purchased Soviet era SS warheads and with the floating weapons grade uranium from France to North Korea there are probably more bombs. (Intel reported several years ago "a like nuclear explosion" under the mountains of northern Iran).

2. Syria has a defense pact treaty now with Iran and has advanced Russian missiles to carry biological weapons it obtained from Saddam's cache aimed at Europe, the Israeli state and American bases.

3. Radioactive fallout is going to be a huge killer as it was at Chernobyl. A south wind blows it into Russia, west winds carry it into nuclear China, India and Pakistan and east winds carry it into the Arab oil states inflating oil prices to levels no one can afford them.

This is not going to be just a hit Iran option and Mr. Bolton understands this. France signed off already on the attack when it moved their AC into the gulf. It is going to mean if the Olmert regime has not acted severe attacks on Hamas and Hezbollah in order to contain the violence which will escalate.
President Bush has not hit Iran yet for all of the above as he fully understands the consequences that this is set up by the communist globalist factions to pollute the Middle East oil fields and WMD's will come into play. Once that happens Iraq will be shown the cake walk it is.

This is brilliant Russian chess with proxy Islam taking the fall in Iran thinking they can absorb American hits, retaliate and live to conquer the heaps.

It is highly probable that the Israeli state will vaporize Damascus in response to Syrian WMD aggression and select Iranian targets will also have a nuclear response.
In all of this there is a statistical 77% chance that nuclear warheads from Iran will fall from being shot down in Eastern Europe and the Israeli state.
There is also an equal 79% statistical chance that Iran will retaliate on New York with a nuclear armes Shahab 2 launched off of ship.

This is what the price is going to be for getting out of Iraq. It is not Bush's policy, so do not blame him when this erupts as too many sources now have too much bravado and weaponry not to utilize it.
Iran will goad Hamas and Hezbollah to use WMD's to draw in Syria to sacrifice them for their survival. The world has reached break point as pawns will fall and then the big players will start hacking on each other.

I'm with Jeff, why isn't he running for Prez?
Bolton/Tancredo

If were only going to leave Iraq in a mess. Then there is no point to withdraw our Troops through Kuwait. Send them home through Iran. IMO that is what they are there for anyway.

The longer we wait the worse it will be.

It is hard enough to fight the current aspect of this conflict when all that we plan to do is openly debated and discussed in full view and earshot of the enemy. The "debate" about the not to fast "surge" with it's predicted prospect of failure is a self fulfilling prophecy.

D-Day would have failed to if we told the Germans when we were landing, with how many men, the special equipment...

The last thing I want to hear is Congressional Demoncrats debating Iran. Spilling all the beans well ahead of time.

We need a change in the rules of engagement. A real shooting war will do just that. It won't make a difference if it is in Iraq or Iran or where ever.

Then, when Haggie gets it in his mind to lob a few Mortar rounds into the Green Zone. Our tracking radar can call up some popcorn on the coordinates instead of Patrols. Actually whole country can be treated that way.

Iran needs to go and we need the President to pop up on TV one day telling us he started it.

I would expect that most of the Nuclear sites would not be the first targets hit. I would suspect that severely diminishing Iran's ability to respond to our actions would come first. Force Iran to defend itself from all points of the compass at once. With every weapon we have within range. Even the Army Ground Units can hit targets 60km from the Iranian Border.

If sleeper cells start operating within the confines of our own Country. There will be the backlash that so many Journalist fear. For good reason this time.

One point:

The world's people as a whole are politically like a bunch of teen-agers. Easily distracted by noisy and flashy news, unable to rank the importance of what they hear, snippy and questionably responsible, prone to knee-jerk reactions that protect only their own interests without countenance of the impact on the whole.

Tell a bunch of teen-agers that if any more of them hang out on the 20th story penthouse sun-deck, and it might fall down. Hahaha, is the response. It falls. GAH! Whose fault is it! Sue them!

I see the world's polity having a similiar 'WTF are you talking about, Iran, nuclear? No way! They're proud, responsible, and only pilloried by the stupid US, who does and gets everything wrong. Fvck the US. Iran deserves its hand at nukular power, and we should be helping them get there.'

Yes, of course.

The necessary action therefore is to let the sun-deck fall off the building. No one to sue (except maybe the empty-headed cries of, 'if you knew, America, why did you let it happen to us?'), and an enormous helping of go-get-em gumption in tow.

Oh, there will be those who insist, "it was just one bomb", or "they didn't hit America, but a Saudi Oil Field - let the Saudis deal with it." There will be the cacophony from the Carbonacious Crowd that we deserve it, that we wouldn't have these problems if we didn't import oil, if we weren't such porcene guzzlers of gas. (ahhm... and what of the Global Economy thing? ...)

But the rest of America, and maybe most of the rest of the under-reported, but very real conservative 'middle' of Europe and the world will say, "You bastards. You fvckin' bastards. We shall get behind America flexing its muscle. No matter what she intends to exact from these bastards."

There is your cassus bellae.

Then we just bomb the shit out of their infrastructure, one _conventional_ bomb at a time. Hundreds of thousands of them. Precisely timed ICBM drop on their communications infrastructure first. (non nuclear). Multiple satellite coverage of 'what that does'. MOAB demolition of their nuclear research centers. MOAB demolition of their palaces. MOAB clearing of key mosques (after all, let's not be shy: it is the Jihad mentality that will have fomented the infraction.) Just keep lobbing these mothers of all bombs at them until we get a true surrender. No hudna. No 24 pages of terms and conditions, provisos and exceptions. You surrendeer. Get over it.

And to get there?

Iran needs to develop its nuclear infrastructure, to develop a bomb, to develop dozens of bombs, to arm their RBM (regional ballistic missles) with them, to try them out in the Indian ocean, then to target something politically charged anywhere in the Middle East.

We in turn just need a billion dollars a year to build up a really large supply of MOABS. Nuclear? Nah. Sorry, but even if Iran gets a dozen or 3 of nuclear bombs, there isn't even a reason to respond to them nuclearly after teh first shot. Just make them wonder ... if America is THIS pissed that they're destroying the artifacts and working infrastructure of the country and NOT invading ... what the Hell will they do when we shoot off the second bomb?

I think the Muslim mind understands that. I think they understand that America has long held back whacking them upside the head for their anticivilisational ways. I think they'd REALLY understand that if their most treasured mosques and trappings of civilisation are systematically decimated, that they really are in the jaws of a lion FAR larger than their popularized belief.

And no people on this planet has ever been stupid enough to deny their surrender when faced with overwhelming - yet still restrained - force.

GoatGuy

No major invasion or ground deployment of US forces or blitzing of Iran is needed in this situation.

All the US need do with Iran is deploy an Electro Magnetic Pulse weapon over Iranian airspace.

But the Pentagon needs to get on with it NOW!!!!

I think it would be best if Israel takes out the nuclear facilities of Iran (and necessarily a lot of Iran's military defenses) without asking anyone's permission, since Israel is Iran's immediate target. If Israel needs help in defense later the US can come in. IMO, if Israel would just threaten to nuke Mecca extremely hard in the event of a serious attack on Israel, this would work as deterrence. Face it, fundamental Islam is ultimately Israel's (and our) real enemy and Mecca is the necessary source of Islam's sustainment. With Mecca turned into a large contaminated glass hole in the sand this 7th century con is exposed and collapses. All the phony imams and mullahs for whom this cult is a cash cow & source of power know it and won't provoke Israel. Now, I'm not saying Israel should nuke Mecca, only that this capability of Israel can be used as effective deterrence when it's a case of survival.

Can he not see the harm that comes to innocents during indiscrimate bombings of buildings.
Posted by Naseem

Does that mean Mohammad Atta and his cohorts did no harm because they chose the building to attack? No one in any of those buildings or planes was a direct target. All of their deaths were indiscriminate. Were they not innocent?

I care because I do not like to see wanton destruction ...indiscrimiate deaths are a disgusting human trait...by any religion.

Posted by Naseem

Tell it to the Iranians who are killing Iraqis in line at food markets.

Tell it to al Qaeda when it plants roadside bombs

Tell it to Islamberg fanatics who want nothing more than to kill Americans. Period.

Tell it to the imams and to Mohammad who said kill all the unbelievers. It didn't matter whether or not they had done you wrong. Just kill them.

But I guess that's showing discrimination in your choice of targets and so that makes killing okay?

Maybe Iran should be attacked but America shouldn't be the agent of attack. This isn't 1981. We don't have the benefit of a huge reactor being built out in the open and making an easy target. The targets are myriad and they are cloaked or housed in civilian neighborhoods. We can't follow Israel's example vis a vis Iraq.

We also shouldn't surround ourselves with a "coalition of the willing". This should be a coalition of everybody. That means France, Russia and China have to sign on and actively participate. They probably know more than the US about where the facilities are located. They also have their own military and are closer to Iran than we are, geographically speaking.
Their proximity means that if Iran does anything stupid with its nuclear capacity they will suffer as much as anyone. Whether it's from an attack in the area or from the ultimate response by the US after WE are attacked, the countries neighboring Iran will feel the heat. The countries that do the most business with Iran will feel the pain. Those countries must own up to their responsibilities.

Remember how radiation from Chernobyl showed up in Europe and that was an accident that the Soviets were trying to contain. The potential atmospheric damage of a deliberate detonation by Iran is incalculable.

"Bolton: We must attack Iran before it gets the bomb"

Ya think!

"I care because I do not like to see wanton destruction ...indiscrimiate deaths are a disgusting human trait...by any religion.

Naseem,

You're mistaken! wanton destruction and indiscrimiate deaths are not a disgusting human trait by any religion.

Islam calls it "Holy war", and rewards the killers with paradise.

It is only disgusting to moral religions.

"Bolton: We must attack Iran before it gets the bomb"

Hmmmm. I'm getting a sense of deja vu all over again.

OK. What's the plan to be THIS time? In fact, is there to be a plan THIS time? And does that include an exit strategy that makes sense, THIS time? Frankly, who needs dhimmitude when dummitude is even more effective in reducing the West's capability to resist jihad, through squandering resources on ill-conceived adventures.

And is it me or is anyone else just a tad uncomfortable with the notion of invading yet another country preemptively? Frankly, it brings to mind a little hiking tune, the words of which go: "Wir werden weiter marschieren, wenn alles in Scherben faellt..."

Amazing...the militant left now in the majority in the legislative branch H-A-T-E-S this guy...and stood against every move to keep him...
gee...wonder why? *ahem*

Sounds reasonable.

Bolton for President.

I just have to say that one day I was walking past the TV with Fox News on and Mr. Bolton was on there. It was in the early days of his brief stint as ambassador to the UN.
I remember thinking that I hadn't been aware of who held that post in the past and thinking wow, who is this guy and how did we get so lucky?
Of course, our Congress, with their great concern for our welfare fixed that and now we have the Muslim who got us into Iraq.