Bush on Edwards: "This notion that this isn't a war on terror is, in my view, naïve"

On this subject how does your county rate on the Islamization scale.

http://www.valpo.edu/geomet/geo/courses/geo200/religion.html

Edwards is right but not for the reasons he gives. Its Islam's war on dar-al-haub and we are starting to fight back. Terror is a method, not the enemy.

Choose your terror:

Sunni
or
Shia
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As for Bush's comment:

Don't believe a word that man says. Not a word.

Ok, how long must we battle this Edwardian thinking? The guys an idiot, ok so he has a law degree, so what does that prove except that any old moron given the funds and the breaks can become one. The enemies of us all are led by lawyers so really, should we be listening to any of them? Whats worse than a bus load of lawyers going off a cliff… why two seats empty of course.

Edwards is the guy when asked at the Democratic debate "Who is your moral hero?" took an uncomfortably long time to answer. And finally he mumbled something along the lines of "I don't...I can't say I have any one moral hero"

So, no moral compass and no clear set of right and wrong. Great!

Edwards/Moral Relativism 2008

Is is my turn for president?

To the president's consistent refrain:

"It's better to fight them there than to fight them here."

I say:

"It's better to make them stay there than to let them come here."

And, Mr. Bush, is also ‘naïve’ because it is definitely not a ‘war on terror’ - it is a war on GLOBAL ISLAMO-FASCIST FANATICS! This 'war on terror' phrase that he coined after 9/11 has caused far more damage in facilitating a 'naive' public than any side-stepping - head in the ground - meaningless term he could ever have came up with.

The telling aspect in this is what people wanting to be president or talking about Islam have missed in the President's statement.

What is being told is America is out of Iraq and except for what appears to be balkanizing it in certain secure zones the war has been elevated to Lebanon and Gaza in preparitory strikes.
This means out of Iraq and into Iran as it is being degraded by certain means.

All of that adds up to someone in escalation is going to use WMD's which will in turn have either the IDF vaporize Damascus, Paris vaporize Damascus or America and Europe depending on where the WMD's fall vaporizing parts of Iran.

If Edwards doesn't appreciate like Bill Clinton a war on terror in thinking you can arrest a biological weapon, then the Islamocommunists are about to goad and then unleash a real bloodbath to so pollute the region that America will be forced to withdraw which is what the majority in America thinks is such a good policy.

Try the policy though with 10 dollar a gallon gasoline, the economy in depression, food so expensive due to bio fuel and fuel costs to transport it and the wonderful Chicoms and Russians taking root in Cuba and Venezuela for the final push against the United States.

The US economy is already in danger. Grain shipments have gone to rail as allot shipping has as no one can move freight any more by truck. That is the backbone of the economy. bin Laden has been waiting for this and his masters are about to allow him to top America off with a few nuclear cities to crash it all.

It doesn't matter people if Bush, Cheney, Fred Thompson, Obama or Hillarette are the next president.....the next president is going to have to launch nuclear weapons in retaliation and crack down in America like you never dreamed to keep this nation together from what is coming.
George W. Bush was our last chance and this nation blew it. Now the bad things start happening which are really bad.

But you see, Islam is a religion of peace!

GWB, many times.

This is a war on terror just like WWII was a war on blitzkrieg.

Lame Cherry,

The world blew this one.

$10 a gallon gasoline? That hits just as many people around the world as it does here. It hurts them even more because the US economy will be in the ditch and where will they get their money from then? If DC is hit then those US notes will be worthless and there will be no consumers for all those Chinese-made goods. All those ships on the high seas that are headed for America will have to either dump their cargo elsewhere or make a u-turn and head home.

US cities hit by nuclear bombs? The Middle East will become a dead zone. Arabs will join the many civilizations that have hit the dustbin of history. Arabic will be a lost language and Islam will be a bad memory.

Alas, Babylon!!!

Of course with the world falling apart illegal immigrants will decide America isn't such a great place to be and amnesty isn't all it's cracked up to be and they'll hightail it out of here.

Might as well look on the bright side.

Dumb and Dumber.

Okay kids, the game has gone on long enough, time to let the grownups have a turn.

"hard work" A favorite Bush staple.

However things turn out in Iraq, what really needs saying is that we can't let an Islamic extremist government get hold of the oil wealth. If it weren't for the oil wealth, coupled with jihadist imperialism, Edwards would be right and the chaos in Iraq would not have global repercussions. Instead, the oil can provide billions to an Islamo-fascist to arm enough to become a regional or global menace. Of course, that's precisely what has happened via the transfer of the trillions over the years to OPEC and the various Islamic regimes.
Edwards may be naive, but the Bush administration hasn't exactly been very savvy. For example, Rumsfeld admitted that the insurgency was not anticipated. Duh! Did they really think all those Muslims were going to join their local Republican club and debate various power sharing arrangements over tea? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Jesus H Christ, I mean Holy Toledo!
It’s a war on all of us, yes Edwards haircut gets zero breaks with the islamists. Heck, they don’t even give their own a break haircut or no haircut. Now if he could grow a beard, we are talking islamofascism.

jewdog said

However things turn out in Iraq, what really needs saying is that we can't let an Islamic extremist government get hold of the oil wealth.

Too late.

Some say it is , while others say it ain't! The funny thing is , fact al-queda will strike America the first chance it gets. Of course it will be Bush's fault, because he didn't do anything right either way. If there is a nuclear strike anywhere in America all work, business, vacations, what have you will stop. And then the blame game will really begin.

jewdog writes:

"we can't let an Islamic extremist government get hold of the oil wealth..."

Yeah, I shudder to think. It might even be like...like....Saudi Arabia.

Oil needs to go, but then we will have the chicoms buying it instead of us. So do the chicoms need to go as well? Well that depends on your view of the world. My view does not include one child or no child, screw all the others of the world, we are only here to grease our slimy palms with money. Think about those chicom despots aborting all those beautiful young Chinese girls, man that pisses me off.
The islamists hoarding girls, the chicoms aborting them, what the hell are we doing bargaining with this type, do we have no morals anymore? No to me freedom if I could buy it would be the greatest commodity. But that aint on the market so I gotta take it, keep it and fight for it or I will lose it, permanently.

Isn't "islamic extremist government", redundant?

I should have said that we need to prevent the oil wealth from going to ANOTHER Islamic extremist regime. I may be redundant, but I've heard Mali is moderate, and then there's Turkey, whose government behaves, as long as the military points a gun at their heads.

Islamic extremist government may or may not be redundant, but I want to know how how some people can use the terms "Islamic Extremist" and "Islamic Fundamentalist", almost interchangably. Doesn't being a fundamentalist, in tune to the core of the belief system, or whatever it may be, exclude being a extremist who presumably would be quite far away from the core... ?

Yeah, what the heck are we dealing with, I don’t think they are extremists, they seem to be mainstream, as in extremism is part of the obsession. Somebody, anybody, show me I am wrong. I believe they are all on the same page but some extremists are the ones that the rest of them blame for the violence, make no mistake they care nothing about killing us, read about it for yourself in the Koran.
Notice how Microsoft capitalizes Koran w/o my permission? I do. Microsoft, well all the computer scum, they are all making huge amounts of money, and shitting on the population that enabled them to get where they are. I hope they are eaten by wild dogs in the future, they may taste like crap, well what do you expect crap to taste like, but those wild dogs should be considered national heroes.

Actually tgusa I prefer to call it garbagekoran

What did Bush say the mission was again? How much real progress did he say he expected.
The upper crust in the 'new' gov want the US to stay. They are playing the same money game as the rest, called 'profit motivation'. As long as the US stays, there is profit. There is profit in confusion which explains why the whole mess is confusing.
It's to all participating parties benifit to keep the confusion going and those dollars rolling in.
What is really going on is a war between the rich, and the very rich, the object of which, is more riches.

I remember being so glad when President Bush won the last election. Tried to listen to the whole press conference today, but instead got another datapoint. I really think I am incapable of listening to the man for over two minutes without turning off the volume.

The fantasy that keeps me hanging on is that Bush is in reality not terminally naïve, but instead is an evil genius. He fully recognizes the fact that a one-person, one-vote democracy where over fifty percent of the population receives a significant percentage of their income from the Federal government, with ten or so percent pulling the wagon, is destined to fail.

Bush, Cheney, and Bolton sit in a smoke-filled room in this fantasy. The game out fast-fail and a slow-fail scenarios. The optimum solution is to cut a deal with Mexico to import all of Mexico’s problem populations and place them all on the US social safety net, quickly bankrupting the Country. Mexico exports its social problems in exchange for a first right of refusal oil deal with the US. The US gets a reliable source of oil, and a Founding Fathers-type of Representative Republic rising out of the ashes of our Great Experiment gone wrong.

All the while, the US has succeeded in turning all of the Middle East against each other by bumbling around trying to teach them democracy and women’s rights. And in the absence of funding to police the region, everything above ground just disappears.

Anyway, that’s my fantasy. I just saw a black helicopter.

"Speaking in the White House Rose Garden..."
-- from the article above

A posting from www.newenglishreview.org:

We Never Should Have Promised Him a Rose Garden

“Failure in Iraq affects the security of this country,” he said. “And it’s hard for some Americans to see that. I fully understand it. I see it clearly.”

Erratum:

For “Failure in Iraq affects the security of this country,” he said. “And it’s hard for some Americans to see that. I fully understand it. I see it clearly.”

Read

"Failure in Iraq to take advantage of the pre-existing sectarian and ethnic fissures in Iraq, and continued squandering of American lives, and money, and war materiel, in Iraq, -- affects the security of this country. And it's hard for Americans to see that. I fully understand. For a long time I could not see it clearly. But at long last, and long after I should have, I finally do. Yes, now I see it clearly."

... this notion that this isn't a war on terror is, in my view, naïve.

The Iraq Invasion ended on the deck of that aircraft carrier. Mission accomplished; Saddam deposed.

We've been fighting the Benign Occupation of Light Unto Islam the years since that photo op on the carrier.

Yet, Dubya's fantastic terminology reminds me what a genius Orwell was.

It also reminds me that, to keep Dubya and his fantasists friends consistent, the Benign Occupation must be called The War on IEDs.

Bush vs. Edwards

is like debating which car was superior

Pinto or the Yugo

"War Against Terror" is too general.

It's specifically "War Against Islam/Muslims" due to 9/11 and all of the other following Islamic attacks on the Free World.

Ah, that's it.

Edwards is such a weenie limousine liberal out-of-it Moonbat rich never-opened-a-Koran idiot it's not funny.

Too busy getting million dollar haircuts to open a Koran, the imbecile.

"It's better to fight them there than to fight them here."
-- from Bush's comments in that Rose Garden We Should Never Have Promised Him

So how are "they" going to get here? Trains, planes, automobiles? Which airlines, leaving from which cities, and with an estimated arrival time of what, and at what American cities?

And will no one notice when "they" arrive? No customs officrs? No one from Immigration and Naturalization to check over their papers, and send them right back?

They are just going to come on over here, and start plotting?

Or have some already arrived here over the past decades? And are there not others who, living in Great Britain or France or other Western countries, can also obtain with ease the same kind of visas that non-Muslim Englishmen and Frenchmen can obtain, because our INS does not know how to explain why it would engage in wholesale denial, as it should, of Muslims wishing to come to this country?

And how has the Bush Administration done? It has instituted an Iftar Dinner as an annual event. It has repeatedly praised the splendor, the wonder, of Islam -- Bush, Rice, the execrable Karen Hughes, they've all done. Al Hurra does it all the time, and American taxpayers pay for that Islamocentric view of the universe. The Bush Administration hears of a group of Muslims somewhere who need entry -- those Mesketian Turks from Russia, for example, and immediately invites many thousands of them in, when it could easily have arranged for them to be taken in by Turkey. It continues to allow its runaway State Department officials, Muslims and Arabs, to extend tourist visas, and other kinds of visas, in all kinds of places (and on this I have received reports from, inter alios, Christians amazed at what they observed at American consulates and embassies, and the obvious wool being pooled over all kinds of eyes).

So there's just nothing we can do except continue to add to the $880 billion already spent (or committed) to the WMD-securing, Light-Unto-the-Muslim-Nations establishing, freedom-to-ordinary-moms-and-dads-in-the-Middle East-bringing, Al-Qaeda-over-there-so-we-won't-have-to-over-here-fighting, that is the folly of Tarbaby Iraq.

Because if we don't keep it up -- mark his words, mark his wise words -- and stop, at the cost of $200 billion a year and the weakening of the American military in a dozen dangerous ways, then we "will not be fighting them over there."

And if we "don't fight them over there, then we will have to fight them here." Said again, yet again, for the hundredth or two hundredth entirely unconvincing time, today at the White House Rose Garden, by its current claimant, its current pretender to power.

A little quiz for George Bush.

One of the books by Oleg Grabar, the celebrated student of Islamic Art, is "The Formation of Islamic Art." In it there is a passage that, if properly grasped by you, will help you to understand why failing to withdraw American troops from Iraq is folly, is madness.

Quaere: What is that passage? And what does it tell us about what will happen after American troops withdraw?

Everyone in Washington was outraged that the members of the Iraqi government were planning a little warm-weather estivation, leaving Baghdad for a full two months, while 150,000 American troops, sweltering in full body army and lugging all kinds of gear, whether on foot or in fetid metal vehicles also enduring, not very well, temperatures of 120 degrees fahrenheit, were to do what one would think, by now, enough of the 27 million brave Iraqis could be found to do for themselves: that is, protect their own country and its people and government, if indeed they truly believe in the idea of Iraq, and are patriots.

But apparently you have no plans to cancel your vacation, although the continued war in Iraq is your baby, entirely your decision. That does not sit well with many of us. It should not sit well with the troops. Here, at least, is one thing you can do. You can get hold of that book by Oleg Grabar. You can read it. You can look for that passage. And then you can tell us what it was, and why it matters.

But of course that is only in a fantasy world. Not a fantasy that someone on your staff might read this posting. Not a fantasy that you might acquire the book. But a fantasy that you might actually read it, or even have someone else read it for you (isn't that what Washington is full of? A reversal of nature, and mommy birds and baby birds. Isn't it in Washington that staffs, especially the most callow members of the staff, are told to read this or that, and chew it up, and then, having properly made it simplified mush not, as with birds, for the still younger, but in this case for the lazy boss, who cannot be bothered to read or think or himself, or perhaps never acquired the habit.

Well, go ahead -- find someone to read the book for you.

And then have that young staff member explain to you what passage was meant, and why.

Or, for god's sake, when not cheerfully chopping wood at Crawford, do it your self -- you owe that to 150,000 people now in Iraq, and another million who, one way or another, have already been there.

Do it.

OT

CAIR praises North Carolina Ruling that allows for Muslims to swear on the Qur'an in courtrooms:

http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2007/05/24/nc-ruling-makes-way-for-i-swear-to-satan/

Cheers

I never liked that quote 'fight them there so we don't have to here' there are a few other things I call of arrogance and it defeats the purpose of trying to equalize all life. We value all life!

Who do you trust more?

1. An idealist with power. -or-

2. A cynic who games the public’s business for his own financial benefit.

I’ll take the crook. I’ve come to believe that he’s less dangerous.

We will be fighting them here though! 1 in 4 is high! Ynkedoodl2 may get elected and he will be swearing in on a quearan!

pez,, you only can pick one!

I’m outta the American so called justice system. They can suck my, well you know.
They want me to play their game, do my doodi, be a juror. I say heck no I wont go unless they are trying and hanging those responsible for the sellout of America. They can get some illegals to take my place and if they try to intimidate me by arresting me so freakin what. I am planning to file a federal lawsuit, equal protection and all that. Of course I will have to represent myself as there are no lawyers willing to go against the Nazis and stand up for the Constitution the Bill of Rights so forget about a lowly citizen such as myself. Am I worried, you bet, these fools are out to get us but I would rather stand fast for freedom and American ideals than pander to a bunch or filthy traitors. Get an illegal to sit on your joke of a court you are barking up the wrong tree with me. That’s right, that’s what you get when you ignore the laws of the land attacking gramma for the benefit of these invaders, you asked for it now you got it and I’m not alone, not by a long shot. Hey republicans, I have never voted for a dem as long as I have been voting, and that’s a long time but you guys, especially Mc Cong and his gangsa’s can get *******, oh, by the way linsay graham, you da racist not us.

I see naivete on both the right and left in this country at the moment:

What Edwards and many others on the Democratic left still DON'T get (or won't get) is that showing favoritism to Muslims will yield absolutely NO favors from them in return. And that explains how we wound up with Muslims now holding political offices in the US government.

The problem with the Republican right (Bush in particular) is that they tend to believe that Muslims can be reasoned with and handled like people in other cultures and on this they are (usually) dead wrong. There have been a few exceptions (as in Southeast Asia). But not many.

This naivete is costing us.

what Hugh notes here must be bugging many Americans,,

"It's better to fight them there than to fight them here."
-- from Bush's comments in that Rose Garden We Should Never Have Promised Him

So how are "they" going to get here? Trains, planes, automobiles? Which airlines, leaving from which cities, and with an estimated arrival time of what, and at what American cities?

And will no one notice when "they" arrive? No customs officrs? No one from Immigration and Naturalization to check over their papers, and send them right back?

They are just going to come on over here, and start plotting?"

I feel the same creepy feeling listening to this as when i hear the politicians tell me the immigration bill is "not amnesty"

Hugh, problem is ,Bush is runnout of raison detres..so it's last ditch.."they will follow us home if we go moseyin' away from over there.."
..booga wooga...

corrolary 1969:if we don't fight them in viet nam we will have to fight them in california..

All a mare's nest! That always scares me! I may go independant party! Nothing being done about illegals except they try to dress it up with words like its not amnesty! BS! It is worse! The silent war that did not have to be fought! Now who is smarter the mexicans or muslims?

Ok, isnt it about time we stop beating around the bush, well hell I didn’t name him that.
I am sick of islamofascism, I am sick of pols that tell me not to worry about islamofascism. What exactly has bush done for us? Actually what has bush 1 and bush 2 combined done for us? Nothing, and I am through supporting a nothing. Did the guy go to school? Did he pay attention in class? I don’t think so. He has brought us into a war, a war in Iraq that should have been completed long ago and fiddled around while our soldiers get murdered. You want to support bush as he fights them over there only to bring them over here. Well I don’t consider you one of my countrymen, true Americans can think for themselves they don’t need someone who slept in class to tell us what is right and what is wrong. The guy is a fake, he’s no conservative, he’s no commander, heck he’s probably not even an American. I have seen elderly people who need help right here, but who does he want to assist, well its not other Americans that’s for sure. 911 was bad but what he has done since is worse, I’m through he’s out and I never want to see his face again as long as I live. Actually, instead of appointing a commander in chief, why doesn’t he do the honorable thing and step down? Because he and redted are busy selling out the country to whoever wants to come in. So we are stuck with this jackass for over another year. My bet, he wants to go down as the last President of our great Republic. Got a better explanation?

madduck:Many muslims have already arrived in the US illegally via the unguarded US-Mexican border disguised. Hundreds of thousands of them are believed to have arrived this way. There is also plenty of access to the US via the unguarded Canadian-US border too. And no they wouldn't be noticed particularly crossing this border either.

Obviously no one noticed until recently.

If these people want to get in here, they CAN (as things stand now).

Your ridiculing to the contrary.

Muslims are banking that most Americans will take the same view you have-- and turn that against them.

I would advise against underestimating the enemy.

Thousands of red chinese, that’s right people they used to be our enemies but now you are buying poison pet food from the genocidal friendly neighborhood baby girl killers. Geez, how easy it is to fake out Americans these days, a product of our non-educational system maybe? Communists are not your buddies, you can’t reform them, and you certainly can’t sell them the rope they will use to string you up. Exciting times, I must say, who will be victorious, America or red china. Well the only way it matters to me is if we win, otherwise I wont be here to complain, of course I have to understand that even if we do win I still might not be here, but shed no tears for me (hoist a tall one) I love my country and I am willing to go all the way to protect it, how bout you?

Bush also said that "the Iraqi government needs to show real progress in return for America's continued support and sacrifice. It's going to be hard work for this young government," he added.

Indeed it is.

As a German who lives in the USA I have to ask Mr. Bush.. then why are the Germans - even more than all the rest of the Europeans - so stupidly anti-American?

What are we all buyng into? Not that I am.. but why are the 'vocal majority' of my country and most of Europe buying into this cheap anti-Americanism?

I really think we need to discuss this beyond mere invective and cross-Atlantic vitriol if we are going to understand it and make any headway.

Trading insults on Jihadwatch and other boards does nothing to change this situation.

The many Brits whom some on here have left feeling insulted and hurt can attest to that.

This is a fight we are all in together - like one another or not.

We may well come out liking one another a whole lot more than we ever have once we emerge victorious[ly].

English need to understand that they will have to shed their blood for us Germans just as I am willing to shed mine for England... and anyone who is under attack by islam once they are willing to fight and are asking for help.

We must make our mutual commitment public.. just as we all must commit to the integrity of the State of Israel.

We have to commit to what is right and just.

I believe in the uniqueness of Nations and their Right of Self-determination and Cultural Integrity... but I also believe in our mutual responsability to come to aid to any one of us who is under threat or under attack.

No questions asked.

Forget about Germany and Japan for now..

And I tell you.. Russia and China are standins for Germany [Russia] and Japan [China] when it comes to painting 'enemy images', as the German Left likes to call it when we speak of islam or other hostiles from the Third World.

We cannot afford to cast aside Germany - your former enemy - nor Russia. Nor China.

To cast aside their legitimate aspirations as the USA have done for far too long is what enables all our true enemies - ISLAM!

China and Russia are our natural allies if we really think about it rationally.

I wish Hugh would pick this up sometime and get over my 'nom de plume' already. I am a German and I chose ths name in tribute to the late and *GREAT* Italian Author Oriana Fallacci.

Both Russia and China are rational peoples who are under siege by islam.

America is making needless enemies who should really be our allies in the long run.

Noone here can deny that it's so much easier to win both Chines and Russian 'hearts and minds' than it is to win them from within islam.

That alone should tell us something.

So why do we antagonize Russia over Serbia and Chechnyia? And why do we antagonize China over the Uighurs in West China?

So what part of "let us find our resolve and turn events toward VICTORY" do you blabering idiots fail to understand?

Bush on Edwards: "This notion that this isn't a war on terror is, in my view, naïve"

Bush ***KNOWS*** the deal IMHO.. all of them do...
which makes this total lack of an adequate response to their daily provocations that much more enragingly intolerable...

Bush **KNOWS**... I really think he does.. but he is in way too deep.. and he is scared.. and he doesn't know what to do...

His dad is no help either.. so whom does he go to.. whom does he talk to..?

Bush is caught up in a Presidency of Privilege.. he never imagined that he might be caught in the complex web of internecine as well as outright warfare which now have both befuddled his Presidential Reign.

He is in way over his head and he doesn't know where to turn..

Let's face it.. our Present President is scared shitless.

Doesn't matter he is 'republican' or 'democrat'.

The Presidency was supposed to be a Prize for him.. the ultimate toy...

..the reward of being the fortunate-by-birth scion of on of the most powerful families of the American Ruling Class...

The Nation can count its luck that one JFK Jr. had an unfortunate plane crash not so long ago.. yes that sounds cynical and it is..

Imagine this Kennedy scion were still on the books as a "legitimate" political actor..

Just imagine... a guy who can't pass a bar exam.. who flunks his flying tests..

..vyying for High Political Office..

...Do you now realize why Monarchy doesn't work?!

THIS is AMERICA, GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!

America was BUILT on the rejection of monarchy!!

NO more *CLINTONs*.. or *BUSHes* or *KENNEDYS* - P.L.E.A.S.E!!!!

America is built on NEW BLOOD!!!

I used to like Obama at first for that one simple reason.. until I hear him talk and read excerpts from his book.. and his voting record.. and his religious background.. and his wife isn't helpful to his cause either...

If one like me can jump on an Obama 2004 Convention Speaker that must mean we are desperate for real and radical new leadership...

So little they need to do to hijack our hopes for a brighter Future for America and us all..

Obama is the least of all evils no more..

We need better than that.

We need a FIGHTER!!

We need a stalwart!!!

We need an American Sarko!!!

For some reason I have to think this can only be Rudy or - longshot - Tom Tancredo.

Like Sarko they are scions of recent but VERY patriotic immigrants who embody an altruistic idealism long lost on the securely enscomced purveyors of power and privilege.

Exactly the reason why newly-arrived **LEGAL** immigrants - regardless of their race - are amomng their most ardent and passionate supporters.

Lame Cherry.. you are so hung up on old 'Feindbilder'.. Neither the Russians nor the Chinese are our hardcore enemies.

They may use islamofascists - just as we have done - as their intended pawns.. never realizing - just like ourselves - that THEY are thinking of them and of ourselves in the very same way.

"this notion that this isn't a war on terror is, in my view, naïve."

"this notion that this isn't an ongoing war by islam on the West is, in my view, naïve."

Stupid is as stupid does.. or as paid for.

However things turn out in Iraq, what really needs saying is that we can't let an Islamic extremist government get hold of the oil wealth.

Too late.
Posted by: special_guest

There are plenty already.. SOWdi Barbaria.. Iran.. and the clever little sheikhdoms intending to fly under the radar for as long as they can..

Hugh, I love wild goose chases. Are you referring to this quote from Oleg Grabar's book:

The main point is clear: we have a representation of six non-Muslim royal figures arranged in a formal and hieratic composition. Three of the certainly identifiable personages were either personally defeated by Islam or symbolize defeated political entities. There is thus a concretely Muslim meaning to this group which has been thought for a long time to consist of the vanquished enemies of Islam shown as a sort of trophy on the wall of a princely building. This interpretation, however, is not entirely satisfactory because the Negus and the third major emperor in the foreground can in no way be connected with Muslim victories, and especially because the gestures and poses are not at all the signs of defeat that are comparatively well known in the iconographic languages of Rome, Byzantium, and Iran. Admittedly it is difficult to be certain what an extended palm as it appears on a late copy may have meant, but in the earlier art of the Mediterranean or of the Near East this gesture is more commonly to be interpreted as pointing at something or as a sign of deference.

It just so happens that synagogues burn when there are Jewish holidays. It happens rather frequently that Hindu-temples blow up when there are Hindu holidays. And whenever there are Buddhist holidays in Thailand it just so happens that Buddhists are beheaded and temples attacked.

Why is that? What causes this mystery?

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/05/25/great-synagogue-in-geneva-destroyed-by-fire/

In the beginning Bush and company had it right. That said, soon thereafter, with the ousting of Saddam, Huey and Dewey; it all went to hell.
Bush, as mentioned, was over his head, his consorts, whose job is to aid the president were, also, over their heads.
Not one, I believe, gave thought to the Iraq war’s aftermath. They, as are most Westerners, were, utterly, ignorant of the Islamic, Middle-Eastern mindset… if one can call it that.
Shock and awe, the big sell, eventually fizzled but the battle grew hotter. Guerrilla warfare is a dynamic unlike any other in war. Whether it is the omnipotent US military or the Russian… guerrilla warfare levels the playing field, in favour of the indigenous fighters (in this case, Islamo-fanatics).
That said, Edwards, and others of his moronic ilk refuse to see, let alone admit Islamo-fascism, hell, plain old-fashioned Islam is a threat to America and Western civilisation.
Yes, Bush has proved to be a tad short of a load… but there are numerous morons out there taking a shot at the brass-ring, who are more than a tad short of a load. Edwards is, only, one of them… feeling lucky? Take your pick!

shy guy:

No, that isn'tthe passage. But it's a good passage, and it must come early on, in the chapters "The Symbolic Appropriation of the Land" or "Islamic Attitudes Toward the Arts."

I'll give you a hint.

Think specifically about Iraq, and what I have put up here on a few hundred occasions. What, in Grabar's book, is convincing grist for that mill?

I don't think Madduck was "ridiculing" the idea of Muslims already here and some of them, entirely too many from the viewpoint of those interested in maintaining Infidel security, capable of supporting or promoting everything from miching mallecho to mass murder. He was accepting the idea, and merely joining in the ridicule of the idea that, as Bush puts it, "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here."

We can't take too much more idiocy at the top. The questioning of Authority is going on all over the place: of the President, Vice-President, and their "security" staffs; of the Islam "experts" for whom Bernard Lewis is the alpha and omega; the planners who were suckered by the Shia in exile to go in, and are now being suckered by the Sunni rulers around Iraq to stay, of the members of Congress who cannot articulate the real reasons for trying to stop the runaway train, and the obstinate and not-very-intelligent and ignorant engineer who is running the train over a bridge, a bridge that remains half-finished and in any case only represents, on the part of a cowed Congress, a willing but only temporary suspension of disbelief.

Hugh:
You are so clever, but in my insignificant opinion, all too ready to ridicule those who may disagree with you. Your never-ending sniping at Dubya and the Administration does you no good and simply leads people away from any rationale present in your arguments, which incidentally are invariably too wordy to hold one's attention over the long haul.
A tad more humility, a lot less verbosity and heaps more accessibility would not go amiss with those of us who are intensely interested in the islamofascist threat but also have lives to lead outside of this forum.
So for a start, set up a question and answer section where we posters can submit a query and obtain simple, factual replies from experts in islamic doctrines about muslim cultural practices which intrude on our daily lives.
Nevertheless, thanks for your efforts in attempting to educate the West about the dangers of islam.

Hugh

I saw this days after Meekee's post so I don't think you or Meekke will get to my post. But..in any event, if you do, I say just keep on truckin' as you have. Don't change a thing. Meekee wants it spoon fed. It's not that simple.

Mekkee,

Just how many scholars, thinkers. columnist do you think are out there supporting points of view expressed by Hugh and Robert? I've looked and I find a barren desert. JW is an oasis. Be glad it is available for the world to read. If the read is too difficult, get over it. Do what I do, keep this site open whenever you visit:

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