Edwards: Move Past 'War on Terror'

What's even more frightenng than Islamnia is the politicians who seem to know absolutely nothing about what they are talking about. It's unbelievable that they would ever downplay the Terrorist threat to further their own political agenda.

Washington needs a serious education.

Edwards, plain and simple, is an out-and-out nutter. He, like most of his comrades, is residing within a bubble within a bubble. God help us if this venomous, reptilian wank ever gets the opportunity to lead this nation. Obviously, he, as do numerous of his comrades and fellow Islamists, believes Bush and a few confederates pulled off 9/11.
One, of this view, is either a nutter, a traitor or both; frankly, Edwards is all of the aforementioned and more.

I guess I'm one of those who don't particularly like the term "War On Terror", even though the threat from terrorists is very real, and won't go away because we change our terminology.

Edwards called the war on terror a "bumper sticker" slogan Bush had used to justify everything from abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison to the invasion of Iraq.

Excuse me, Mr. Edwards, but when did Bush "justify" the abuses at Abu Ghraib? Didn't he instead apologize for them? Haven't the perpetrators been tried and punished?

And what does the phrase "everything from abuses at the Abu Ghraib prison to the invasion of Iraq" mean? I thought that holding prisoners at Abu Ghraib was part of the invasion.

Edwards seems to have forgotten that the justification for invading Iraq involved 3 main points - WMD, Saddam's support for terrorists, and Saddam's abuse of the Iraqi people (such abuse alone being considered a justification for war that was sufficient for most Democrats when Bill Clinton bombed Serbia). Well, I guess remembering one out three ain't bad.

Edwards sez:

"We need . . . a military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats . . . ."

This means: "We need a military that looks and acts like a police force with firefighters attached."

While our police begin to look more and more like military, with the same equipment (only black instead of camo), our military is being trained to act more and more like police. Soldiers have to call their supervisors, hold their fire until they get permission to shoot back, consult with lawyers, treat prisoners like arrestees, and clear buildngs like New York City detectives.

Firefighters and other non-police "first responders" are the new heroes of the left, because they RESCUE people (i.e., victims) but don't have any guns.

The left cannot and will not understand that we are engaged in a real war with real killers. If we capture one of those killers, the left wants them treated like common criminals. One of the real problems with that approach is that liberals/leftists are never hard on crime or criminals (except price-gouging, waste dumping, and whale endangering).

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Sorry, but Edward is not that much off the track. 'War on terror' is as useless as 'war on blitzkrieg'. Is is a tactic, not a cause. To fight the no 1 source of terror, the US would have to go to Saudi Arabia. But there is no intelligence about SA whatsoever, because it is an 'ally'. Just today i read an articel about the US being the greatest seller of arms around the world. Now they want to sell another 100 airfighters to Turkey:
http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2007/05/24/pda/opinion_30035027.html
The US is constantly feeding the monster, it pretends to fight. The reason: money.

Edwards is spot on with this point:

Edwards called the war on terror a "bumper sticker" slogan...

George Bush's war on terror is a joke.Bush has never identified the enemy. We don't know who or what we are fighting. 99% of Americans don't know the difference between Shiites and Sunnis. 99% of Americans don't know the difference between Iraq and Iraq. 99% of Americans could not tell you the name of the political party in Iraq that we are spilling blood and treasure to defend: The Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution. Bush has called Islam a religion of peace. Bush has tied our hands from restraining Iran. Bush is bringing more Muhammadans into the U.S. than any President in history and it will get far, far worse.

Fighting a civil war in Iraq and pretending to be on the side of the good guys, the muslim good guys (that's a laugh and a half)...90 billion just to keep this joke going to September...

"We need a post-Bush, post-9/11, post-Iraq military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats, not misused for discredited ideological purposes," Edwards said in remarks prepared for delivery. "By framing this as a war, we have walked right into the trap the terrorists have set—that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war on Islam."

Edwards: Move Past 'War on Terror'

I hope the American voter has the good sense to move past Edwards.

Baghdad Assyrian District Emptied; Churches, Monasteries Abandoned

Sharia law instituted in Iraq

Jewish rights, womens' rights abrogated

Hey Yankee,

Your tax dollars at work!

All that hairspray has apparently gone to Edwards' brain.

Edwards: "We need a post-Bush, post-9/11, post-Iraq military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats, not misused for discredited ideological purposes,"

How true, we need that, and as soon as Islam can be defeated, we can hav it!

It is hard to make the Bush Administration look good. Edwards is doing it. He's out, or should be.

Either Edwards is mostly correct or Hugh Fitzgerald is mostly wrong.

I wouldn't bet against Hugh Fitzgerald.

All Edwards is saying is that Bush has as much clarity of vision as Mr. McGoo!

Bush walked into tarbaby iraq not even knowing the difference between Iraq and Iran. The high-and-dry, former alcoholic running our country was recorded as saying that there might "not be any casualties" from his invasion of Iraq.

You see God so loves George Bush (because he gave up his drinking)that he...

that he...

...forgot what I was going to say

Hugh, he ain't saying anything you haven't (or I haven't) said before. Maybe Edwards isn't articulating islamophobia enough to satisfy us watchers, but is he not right in calling for: a "post-9/11, post-Iraq military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats..."

Since we know we can't completely kill off the beast of Islam, for God's sake,let us defend ourselves from it!

ynkedoodle2:

You couldn't be more wrong.

Do you wish to see the United States destroyed? Do you truly wish to see the western democracies overrun by a primnitive, bloodthirsty ideology that enslaves and terrorizes millions of people and leaves them trapped in a standard of living from the sixth century? If you answered yes to any of the above, ignoring the threat posed by Islam, its jihad warfare, and its imperialistic and deception-based war strategies in the world today would be an excellent way to accomplish this!

Bush DID in fact identify the enemy: 'islamo-fascism' (perhaps ineffectually,as has often been the case with his presidency). The reason Bush wasn't more complete in his definition of the enemy in the war on terror (and come out into the open and label it 'Islam' which it clearly is), is because even the leader of the free does not possess sufficient leverage to openly attack Islam for what it is-- it is too strongly worldwide established at this point in history for that.

Encase you didn't know it, the US Democratic Party is receiving money from mosques and paralyzing our political system, to Islam's advantage.

The message I get from you (and Edwards and other liberals) is something like : "God help anyone who attempts to defend the world from Islamic terror."

I am tempted to list YOU and other DEMOCRATS pushing a 'see no evil' approach as the "enemy."

The jihad war against the western democracies is real. If you don't see it, that's your problem and not ours or Bush's.

As for Edwards, the man is an idiot-- blood will tell.

Edwards is most definitely more clueless than even Hillary and Obama.

Hate to say it but Edwards is mostly very correct for all the reasons Ynkedoodl2 listed above.

The "war" on "terror" is a complete crock of s***.

Why can I literally walk down the block 5 1/2 years after 9/11 and visit a half dozen muslim terror mosques. REAL terror mosques. Why are there hundreds of full-on jihadis here who are fearless of the government and will soon be granted amnesty by same? Why is the jihadi population exploding?

Why do so called "intelligence" agencies and federal "counter terrorism" agencies (projectile vomit) always take the time to insist that the terrorists are peace-loving and only a few bad apples are criminals, not terrorists?

"War" on "terror" ? I haven't seen or heard a bigger crock my entire life.

Were there a real war on the satanic cult of death, we would win it in two minutes.

In a defense policy speech he planned to deliver at the Council on Foreign Relations.

The same organization that contributed so terribly much to landing us into this mess in the first place.

The CFR audience sure to be pleased to find out from John Edwards-the-ambulance chaser that they, as Arabists, haven't done anything wrong, really, just a big misunderstanding is all, and mostly caused by others.

Lets face the facts. Democrats are not even able to use the verbage needed to describe the situation we are in. It is much easier for them to claim the situation does not even exist. The only potential canidate at this point that is able to put together the proper verbage is Tom Tankrado. Some others on the Republican side are able to put some interesting scentences together, but the entirety, context and historical understanding isn't there. In my oppinion the Democrats will not be able to win this upcomming election unless they can manage to change the verbage a bit. Unfortuantly I doubt we are ready for a Tankredo yet, but it is a sure win for the Republicans. Tankredo is the closest thing we have to a Sarkozy. The bright side to all of this is that people are starting to get it. I coach soccer and at the party for our last game this subject of Islam and all its ramifications was an intersting side bar to the event. People know what time it is right and left, at this point people seem to be just waiting for the next big one. Some in the media are comming down hard on Robert for being a modern day Paul Revere. Let me pose this question. When societies are at war, do they use a fine paint brush, or a large one to resolve crisis and define enemies? Go the next step think about it. Does it really matter what any of us advocates as a "solution". We will do what is needed to survive. Large paint brushes always make mistakes, but they get the job done. When we are finally fed up we'll see a new scene one without too much detail ... broad even easy to understand strokes which will lead to "solutions".

The "global war on terror," ... (is)... an ideological doctrine advanced by the Bush administration that has strained American military resources and emboldened terrorists..

Is that so?

"We need a post-Bush, post-9/11, post-Iraq military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats, not misused for discredited ideological purposes," Edwards said in remarks prepared for delivery.

Errrr, uhhhh, oooo-kay, sounds good so far.

"By framing this as a war, we have walked right into the trap the terrorists have set—that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war on Islam."

But if the war on terror is just an "ideological doctrine advanced by the Bush administration" then how is it that there are "terrorist traps" set?

Mr. Edwards, I believe Mr. Bush is a traitor!

I have reason to believe from Mr. Bush's performance in office, that he is incompetent as Commander-In-Chief; (and I don't respect a man that has someone barge into someone else's hospital room to force them to sign papers as Bush had Gonzalles do to Ashcroft -- but that's another topic).

You however Mr. edwards, are A NUT!

SHUT YOUR YAP MR. eDWARDS, before some one actually hears your STUPIDITY AND MISTAKENLY BELIEVES THE REST OF US ARE AS STUPID AS YOU ARE!

As LOUSY as bush is -- and he is a dispicable human being in my book -- bush is better (gawd I can't believe I'm saying this) that YOU will EVER BE!

Choke! Cough! Cough! GAG!

See what you made me do imbecile!

pythagoras

I ain't a democrat!
If I'm soft on Islam then you're married to Muhammad.

If you think that destroying the secular nation of Iraq with its Don Corleone inspired anti-Islamist leader Saddam Hussein (the greatest Arab enemy of Islamic theocracy) and replacing it with an Iranian puppet state ruled by Shia theocrats (Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution) is called progress in the war to defend ourselves against the Best of Islam, you've got your head straight up your ass. Bush is a fool and the father of fools like you who believe that because he's a Republican he can do no wrong.

Actually, Bush can do no right.
Terror, my friend, is a tactic. There's no such thing as a war against terror. Any good warrior will use terror whenever necessary.

"They are not actors of themselves. They can only react to our provocations."

Tim Blair calls this the "reactive life-form theory," and that Muslims are percived as "terrorist-forming insects."

This is the key to understanding the unholy alliance between left wing socialists and radical Islam.

Arm A. Geddon;

Do you mean to tell us that we should NOT be fighting against the global jihad in order to defeat it? Or are you telling there is no global jihad? If so, we could laugh you off this blog all the way to the Middle East.

Bush hasn't done enough to rid the world of Islamic terror. There is no question of that. There is also the problem of Bush never having reeived the support internationally to successfully launch a war on terror (which would not be his fault).

But that does NOT mean YankeeDoodle2 is correct in any way! Nor does that mean your jumping on this bandwagon has any merit--it doesn't.

What this means is America has to work harder on counter-terrorism. And garnering the worldwide support needed to defeat jihad.

There was an excellent article in "FOREIGN AFFAIRS" magazine recently that in fact cited Bush's policies in Southeast Asia as in fact having been quite successful. So it hasn't all been a crock of sh*t--your claims to the contrary.

Er well guys, I have a bit of sympathry with this statement, despite being the committed anti-Islamist I am.

Bush did fall into the trap. 9/11 was intended as a trap to embroil the USA into an anti-Jihad war - yes a western Crusade. And that's just what happened.

The world was fully behind the USA after 9/11, well certainly the whole of the west, and a proper intergovernmental counter terrorist organisation formed, but the Bush administration went wading into Afghanistan.

That would have been fine if Afghanistan had been finished before we went into Iraq, but it wasn't.

If the job on Afghanistan had been completed with both NATO and the UN backing it, a proper coalition would have been set up with full UN backing again, to tackle insurgents elsewhere in the world.

My assessment is that Bush (well Cheney and Rumsfeld really) allowed themselves to be led into a hasty war.

yankeeDoodle:

You muight as well be soft on Islam my friend.

Because you won't do anything about it.

So go ahead and marry Muhammad for all I care.

I meant to write - and a proper intergovernmental counter terrorist organisation could have been formed

Excuse my language and I usually do not post foul language but Edwards is one silly a*s SOB. Nothing more can be said.

Robert,

Allahpundit at Hot Air found this little historical flashback.

Hey Pythagoras

Answer the following question. I beg you.

What is name of the political party in Iraq that the United States is allied with and what is the name of their spiritual leader?

I'm not soft on Islam my friend yankeedoodle. A real international anti Islamist-insurgent coalition could have been assembled.

Please explain how you are combating Islam?

pythagoras:

Here's what I won't do to fight Islam:

I won't waste money, time or blood to educate Muslims to adopt our way of life, to be just like us.

I won't waste money, time or blood, trying to referee a conflict between the different sects of Islam that has been going on for 1400 years.

Let them fight each other for another 1000 years.
As Shakespeare's Richard III so pithily stated: "Shall I be plain? I wish the bastards dead"

You obviously think that Iraq is mostly composed of "ordinary moms and dads like us," good, decent, tolerant people who just need the U.S. armed forces to sweep away the bad element.

You are a complete ignoramus! You think you can change the zebra's stripes, spew sugar on the bottled spider.

Sorry Yankee - I shoud've been addressing pythagous - er who was addressing you not me.

I'll get my coat

pythagoras,

When there is a Real War against the satanic cult of death, everyone will know it and there won't be any insane, mindless phrases like "war on terror" and "hijacked religion."

A real international anti Islamist-insurgent coalition could have been assembled.

Excuse me?
Which international countries would be joining? Canada? France? Brazil? Luxemborg?

and once assembled, they would do what?
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You asked what I'm doing to combat Islam?

The answer is I am educating myself and educating others. I also show up for every anti-Islam demonstration within 150 miles of my home. I have volunteered my time and services to UAC. I'm always looking for new ways to get the message out.

Objection to the misleading and idiotic phrase "war on terror" is fine. Wishing to avoid the runaway-train aspect of the continued campaign, for goals both unattainable and wrong (the very opposite of those that should be wished for in Iraq, if the goal is to weaken the Camp of Islam) is fine. Denouncing the Bush Administration for the squandering of men, money, materiel, and damaging military and civilian morale, is fine.

But what isn't fine, and isn't fine to such a degree as to outweigh all that so far can be described as fine, is that business at the very end:

"By framing this as a war, we have walked right into the trap the terrorists have set—that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war on Islam."

That isn't fine. For there is a war. It is s a war that goes beyond mere terrorism, for the goals of many who do not actively participate in terrorism, but support or justify it, remain those of the classic Jihad, which is a doctrine that does not date, that fell into desuetude not as a reflection of doctrinal change (the Qur'an is immutable, the ascription of levels of authenticity to the Hadith by the most authoritatve muhaddithin cannot change, the details of Muhammad's life are not to be tampered with, just to come out with a less disturbing and dangerous result).

There is a war, waged by Islam on everything non-Muslim, and it is clear in the texts of Islam, and in the history of Islamic conquests, over the past 1350 years. If Edwards wishes to replace the ignorance and arrogance of Bush with his own ignorance and arrogance, possibly even more dangerous in the end, where would that leave us?

Perhaps the endorsement of Edwards by Carter was more telling than one wished, or allowed oneself, to believe.

I marvel at the way people here beat up on the Bush Administration as bad as al Qaeda does and never equate what it means.

There have been ZERO al Qaeda deaths in the United States since 9 11. Somehow this has no meaning on this site and for certain people posting here. All they can do is take cheap shots at the United States government who has kept them safe. A grain of sand appreciation would be at least cordial instead of acting like the Iraqi mobs complaining they are now free to complain.

One would think someone would be thankful that we are not burying American civilians here, not being like in Tel Aviv worried a car parked near a doorway might be loaded with bombs and America's biggest concern right now is a Pew poll on Muslims.

Americans have had it too good obviously and 9 11 meant nothing to them as a whole in George Bush has made it look so easy that all they have time to do is nitpick about their ideas of perfection.

Some advice to the chronic attackers, "There are things called petitions you can sign with your name on them to run for office....if your ideas are so great people will sign them in millions and then you can go to Washington and teach all of us how great things will be under your leadership."

Oooopppppsss though, getting out of Iraq policy now has more US and Iraqi people getting killed daily, Iran pouring in money and bombs into Iraq, Russian now becoming more beligerant as it has learned Americans have no staying power and al Qaeda planning deaths now in attacks of several hundred thousand at once.
Not such a great policy and policies which even make the Breck Girl Edwards look intelligent.

For the record on CFR Edwards, the Clintonista regime tried arresting terrorists and it got Americans murdered, Bill Clinton signing off that 100 murdered Americans a year due to terrorism was acceptable and 9 11.......all from withdrawing from another Muslim nation called Somalia by Les Aspen.

Apparently not many here have figured out yet what pulling out of Iraq has already espoused and the devil child which is about to turn loose on the world a thousand times worse than 9 11.

The petition awaits complainers. Run for office as you have better answers which will start weapons of mass destruction to be used. Allow Americans to vote on your policy and if they want your answers in killing millions of innocent Americans.

"George Bush's war on terror is a joke.Bush has never identified the enemy." from a posting above.

He did and he did not.

'Islamofascism' is as far as he went. On another occasion he said that Muslim 'fanatics' want a global caliphate, but then he backed off. Because his minders told him that 'we can't fight five gazillion Muhammedans who are all law abiding citizens who all want the same thing and who are mom's and dad's..."

Unfortunately GWB is not the brightest buld in the chandelier. Neither was his father. But when you look at the other side, the far side,- then you realized that Bush is gold when compared with nutroots like Edwards and the boy who rides on the color ticket: Obama.

Tancredo or Giuliani, what's the word?

Assalamau Laikum all,

I don't know Mr. Edwards ...but already I am starting to like him. This is not because he doesn't want peace & security for the Amerike....clearly he loves his country.

But come on peoples, why blame him...look at the track record of the Amerike since 9/11. Has the common joe become more vigilant, has he trained and become more learned on the threats surrounding him...I mean hardly.

The Amerike will become wuslim not because of Mr. Edwards....it will be because of your own apthy twinned with a lack of faith...and that's a deadly combination.

Christianity is fast becomeing a flash in the pan in the Amerike...you need new beliefs ...a new lord of you will...Allah SWT.

He is most merciful to his believers ...when the right time comes the minority kaffur who resists will have guntanamo to look forward to.

Stop taking it out on edwards...you have to concentrate on your prayers....1st one at 5am...loudspeaker assisted....enjoy!

Hugh says:

"There is a war, waged by Islam on everything non-Muslim, and it is clear in the texts of Islam, and in the history of Islamic conquests, over the past 1350 years."

RIGHT ON!!!!

But it's their war against us!!!!
It's Islam's war against the West!
It's Islam's war against Jews, Chrstians, and the Rest.

IT'S NOT OUR WAR.

Massive military invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq are not a war on Islam, they are a public-relations disaster and a huge waste of resources.

We need a tactical response, a defense. More than anything we need to educate our population about the evil of Islam and remove it from the body politic since it is impossible to diferentiate a Muslim (for identification purposes only) with a true-believer.

@naseem

We are kafurs.

GO AWAY. ALLAH IS NOT PLEASED WITH YOU FOR SPEAKING WITH US! AND VERILY ALLAH SEE ALL.

Since we are making cartoon comparisons and Bush is Magoo, a hapless blind guy who gets lucky a lot. Then I say Edwards is Elmer Fudd, a hapless moron who falls for (or panders to) any old rabbit trick he stumbles across. When given the choice, I will take Magoo over Fudd every time, but Magoo is not running, well at least not bushmagoo.

Bush is more like Elmer Magoo.

Naseem when the "solution" to our problem is found it will be easy to understand and define. The implimentation will lack fine details ... consumable for a mass audience.

lame writes:

"There have been ZERO al Qaeda deaths in the United States since 9 11."

lame,
al-Queda is irrelavant. There have been all kinds of Jihadi attacks in the U.S.A. since 9-11. Bush's Follies have made things worse, not better. But that's not why I oppose Bush's Follies. They are irrelevant to the problem.

@phythagoras

I'm still waiting for your answer. You are showing your ignorance.

Here is the problem we have:

The left thinks it is poverty, misunderstanding of culture or support of Israel that have led us to where we are now. They have convinced themselves it is a law enforcement problem of a few "radicals" or "criminals". That if we give them the "Carter Treatment" everything will be ok.

This sums of the lefts view of this conflict when Edwards states:

"By (Bush) framing this as a war, we have walked right into the trap the terrorists have set—that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war on Islam."

I am no fan of Bush as you can tell by my various comments on his failure as a president but perhaps the one thing he did do right was stating that this is a war not something we need to handle with the world court. It is a military and culture conflict not a law enforcement issue. It is a clash of civilizations which some liberals fail to comprehend because they hate this civilization anyway.

The problem with Bush has been his failure to go beyond that. He can't tell you what it is a "clash of" or "who the enemy is" and thus he settled on this phrase "War on Terror". He really thinks Islam is a peaceful religion and thus by invading Iraq he was going to help save Islam from these people who are "using the faith".

Thus the American people are forced to choose between flawed concepts both of which are counter to the truth. Hopefull someday either the Republican party will come to its senses and push the truth about Islam or a 3rd party will have to be formed.

Greatcometof1577 Tom Tancredo certainly understands the scope of this issue. I have to laugh sometimes after hearing him speak I am sure he has been on this site. I wonder what his handle is? We have our Sarkozy, only we are not there yet see the French have beaten us to the punch hahaha. We will get our Sarkozy soon enough though.

oh yeah, John Edwards, otherwise known as the Breck Girl....

Edwards really doesn't get it!

John Edwards, the man who charges $55,000.00 to give a speech telling you about poverty....

Plus how fast they forget or think we forget! Sodom wasted 2-3 months remaining defiant and would not let us in! That itself was reason to go in. If he had not done that it would have been different!

Ameriki

Tom Tancredo gets it on this issue.

The question is does his fellow Republicans?

The Republican party needs to go "old school" and I don't mean Regean but Lincoln. They need to revive that old spirit....

Plus how fast they forget or think we forget! Sodom wasted 2-3 months remaining defiant and would not let us in! That itself was reason to go in. If he had not done that it would have been different!
Posted by: MZ

HOW SOON WE FORGET
ABOUT IRAN!

Seems to me that Iran is being defiant.
2-3 months?
How about 9 years!
Seems to me that Iran is a grave and present threat!
Can you blame Saddam for wanting big bad weapons living next to those crazies?

How soon you forgot, MZ!

Is anyone else finding this presidential nomination campaign comedic? Never before in the history of the Republic have so many knuckle heads vied for the office of President. Yes I know it sometimes is maddening watching and listening as many of them run around ignoring the 800 pound gorilla (islamofascism) in the room. But if you sit back and listen and have an insight as to what is really happening its like some bad sitcom from an era long past. I don’t know if I can take a year and a half of this. I’m hoping Thompson enters the race, Thompson/Romney, with Thompson grooming Romney as his successor, gotta think ahead, way ahead. Yes, Romney wants it all right away, but patience sir will win the day. Tancredo is a great American, I’m not sure on electability though and besides we need him right where he is to bring some sanity to the rest of his colleagues on the hill, if that’s still possible.

While I agree with the notion that “War on Terror” is a bumper sticker slogan, this is the extent of Edward’s insight into this issue. He doesn’t mention any alternative plan for fighting the Jihad. Clearly he is not claiming that “War on Terror” should be replaced with “War on Jihad”, he is advocating washing our hands of the problem altogether and pretending 9/11 didn’t happen.

What I suspect is really going on is that Edwards is behind in the polls and is trying to garner a larger share of the Truther vote.

Tg

I'm rooting for Romney/Tancredo. I'd like to hear from Thomson before supporting him. But I'd like to see McCain end up 4th or below in the race.

As it is, Romney is currently ahead in IA and NH. Hoping it stays that way.

"We need a post-Bush, post-9/11, post-Iraq military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats"

What defines a threat as "post-9/11"? Did al Qaeda and all other militant Islamist groups become irrelevant while none of us were looking?

What 21st century threats is he talking about?

Could he mean WMD? How would the military help there without being able to destroy the WMD (which would probably require an invasion - can't risk hurting nearby civilians in an aerial attack) or without being ready to decimate the country responsible for such an attack?

Could he mean poverty, as some have suggested?
How does the military help in the fight (or is that "war") against poverty?

"Edwards outlined several steps he said he would pursue as president to strengthen the military, including using force only to pursue essential national security missions, improve civilian-military relations, and root out mismanagement at the Pentagon."

What does our would-be president consider an "essential national security mission"?

If he had said forget "war on terror", this is a war on ISLAMISM, he'd have a lot of supporters. But what does he want our military to do?

There's only one response to his speech: huh? or, if you want to be polite: excuse me?

If Tancredo can't get President, I want him as AG or CIA Director or DNI! He'd be perfect for the job...

Way to go, exsgtbrown...glad to see someone else remembered the "hair" deal!

"post-9/11, post-Iraq military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats..." is just a sound byte with no real meaning.

Yeah Tancredo really lifts my spirits every time I hear him on this issue. We are lucky he is right where he is at. We are getting it and the word is out. The truth in all of this will become undeniable as time passes. Those like Edwards will increasingly look like fools. I am really looking foreward to the presidential debates if this is how the left is going to sound off.

won't see this on the nightly news.."Cannibalism in Gaza 2"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of7w0sZfcMU&mode=related&search=

"Cannibalism in Gaza 1"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zIH7CjAtwg&mode=related&search=

Call it what you will, or what you want to--- IE. war on terror, battle against Islamic radicals,war against Islamists, conflict with fundamental Islam, Clash of civilizations, ETC. But what's in a word, or in sentence, or phrase that best describes what the free world is dealing with? Maybe all these descriptions and more.

What we have all learned is that JIHAD is real and no one on this site can deny that short of a John Edwards, Michael Moore, or our former dhimmiwit President Jimmy Carter, who didn't get it in 1979 and still doesn't get it today. How many times do we have to be reminded of the terrorist attacks that are being perpetrated all over the world in the name Islam from Beslan,Madrid,Britain,Western Mindanao,America,India,Jordan,Pakistan, Iraq,Darfur,Sudan, Pan Am Flt 103,USS Cole,Marine barracks,Israel,in Lebanon,North Africa,and on and on in a hundred other places. Over 8,000 attacks by Muslims documented throughout the world, but that's allright; you go ahead and call them whatever you want if it makes you happy .

BUMPER STICKER MY ASS!!! It is what it is and it is designed to terrorize people. Do you ask why no major newspaper in the entire country except for the Philadelphia Enquirier was afraid to publish the Mohammed cartoons? Because of threat of terror--- Whoops, there's that word again-- . A violent attack that strikes and knows no bounds in an effort to produce fear. But that's all right; call it something else if you want to sanitize it.

Speaking of all this Bush bashing. I think of Bushes term in this context. I would have never in a million years ever picked up any of Roberts books if it were not for the debate surrounding Iraq. It was not 9/11 or Afghanistan that sparked this conversation in the west. It was Iraq. Bush may have saved all of western civilization due to one fact. Iraq started the debate, which lead to people needing to verify and educate themselves on this subject. The Islamization of Europe would have gone on unnoticed untill too late without the debate that was sparked by Iraq. It was this debate that got the French to elect Sarkozy. It is this debate in the west that will save our civilization. For all of Bushes faults in my opinion he may have saved the west. May he be remembered in this context.

I agree 100% with Hugh

Not a single Western leader has correctly identified that Islam is the problem. Sooner or later they will have to state this. talking about Islamo-fascism, Jihadists, Islamists (as the BBC misleadingly does) is confusing to non-Muslims as makes them mistakenly think there is a good side to Islam.

But Edwards has massively balls-up. That last statement of his means he has failed to realise that Islam is the problem.

Right now, we dont need Western non-Muslims being confused by their own ignorant politicians.

But not being American, I would rather non-stop back-to-back Republican governments in fighting Islam as I trust them more than I trust the Democrats. That is not to say Republicans get things right. The current adminstration has made some terrible mistakes and has confused its allies. But hopefully it will get there in the end. It is matter of public education on Islam, burying political correctness in its grave and adjustment of current policies towards Islam

Sooner or later, the USA has to come to terms with the fact that most Governments on the Arabian Peninsula are not their friends and mean them great harm. And that means the Oil dependency issue has to be looked at.

What a bloody mess of a world we live in:
Rising Islam on most continents, Illegal immigrants everywhere, Environmental damage, the rise of Russian & Chinese opportunism
- never has the West had more pressing problems

Obnoxious Naseem states, "Christianity is fast becoming a flash in the pan in the Amerike...you need new beliefs ...a new lord if you will...Allah SWT."

This is utter nonsense, Naseem. You are either making this stuff up, or you're listening to false information from the lie factory (probably both).

And allah is the god of the underworld, so why would you suggest people follow him.

IP,
Thompson has been blogging for awhile, I have read or watched his views on many things, from guns to immigration. He is right on target in my book, when you get the chance to see or read him you will be able to tell that he is comfortable with his own vision of the world as it is. He doesn’t pussyfoot around when asked a question, he answers it. Yeah I know at first it is shocking, imagine a pol answering a simple question w/o sticking their thumb in their mouth and holding it up to see which way the wind is blowing or telling you he will form a focus group on the issue. If a pol needs focus groups in order to achieve focus we don’t need them, not now and certainly not tomorrow. Someone mentioned Reagan, well Reagan is dead but he is still the leader of many of us across America, the man was/is truly powerful even to the point of reaching out from the grave, tapping us on the shoulder and telling us, there it is now get moving getting it.

The breck boy & his ilk have no room to talk, especially considering their even-MORE ridiculous, and less-credible, "bumper-sticker" cliche`:
"...vast right-wing conspiracy."
LOL

Hey Yankee Doodle. Everybody here knows that the phrase "war on terror" sucks, but thats not what Edwards was even talking about. Edwards could care less what its called. Edwards was talking about the "war on terror" was something the Bush Administration invented and that WE are not at war with anybody.

I know Bush really screwed up this whole war, but I'm glad he took out Saddam. You sound like you would like Saddam to be still the president of Iraq (regardless of how many thousands of people he murdered). I don't agree with that at all. I'm glad he is gone.

Bush should have done his research on islam and muslims ,(like we all have here),before he even retailiated against Bin Laden, of course. But remember the situation America was in at that time. Everybody in America was pretty pissed off and we wanted to get back at who ever did 911, right? I know America went off half cocked...

And another thing. If this was any other group of people besides muslims, these people would have been very happy that we took out Saddam and tried to give them democracy. Of course they were muslims and this is why Bush shuold have done his damn research.

I'm tired of all the Bush bashing too. He tried to do what he thought was right. And, like I said, if this was any other group of people, it would have been admirable for Bush to do this. What the hell do you think would have happened if there was a democrat as president when 911 happened? Does clinton or carter ring a bell?

Like most people I dislike trolls.

But the resident troll pops out from under the bridge and hisses "Christianity is fast becoming a flash in the pan in America".

Sorry, nope, the troll is bluffing, or ill-informed. Last time I looked, around 85% of Americans identified as 'Christian' in the census - and although that includes plenty of 'census Christians', Christians-for-identification-purposes-only, it also includes a LOT of people who are well-instructed passionate believers. The 'Independent' churches - the Charismatic, Pentecostal, Assemblies of God, Baptists, etc. - are growing FASTER THAN THE MUSLIMS. America - right now - sends out 66 000 Christian missionaries to 220 different countries (and all that is paid for by ordinary American Christian believers). They know that in many countries being identified as an American is dangerous - yet they go all the same. American Christian missionaries have died for their faith.

To see inside the heart of Christian America, read "The Cross and the Switchblade" and "Run, Nicky, Run". I don't see someone like Nicky Cruz, a violent Latino gang leader who became a peaceful Christian evangelist, getting suckered by Islam anytime soon. Some interesting films: "Tender Mercies", "Witness", "Places in the Heart", "Fearless".

PS - Dear Naseem - if you are, as you say, a Pakistani woman, I dare you to read two books, both written by Pakistani women - charming, intelligent, gracious ladies, both of them, and very, very brave. The first, by sister Gulshan Esther, is called "The Torn Veil". The second, by Bilquis Sheikh, is called "I Dared to Call Him Father". You can obtain them over the internet.

If you read those two ladies' books, you will understand Christianity. You will then be able to understand why millions upon millions of Americans are Christians, and why they will never, never, NEVER convert to Islam. Who, having drunk the Wine of Life, would ever willingly drink poison?

I'm glad he took out Saddam.
--mrockroll1969

So is Iran
So is al-Queda
So is Hezbollah
So is The Supreme Coucil for Islamic Revolution

Not me. Now we gotta do his dirty work.

It's amazing what these idiot politicians will say or do or not do in order to get elected. Another fool is Biden, who talks about the war in Iraq like it's a civil war, instead of learning what the strife within Islam has been about for centuries.

Once again, it's all stuff we are supposed to have created -- the Muslims themselves couldn't possibly be to blame -- even as the body count of innocent civilians and our soldiers mounts day to day.

Pretentious lawyers make me sick.

From Pythagoras: There was an excellent article in "FOREIGN AFFAIRS" magazine recently that in fact cited Bush's policies in Southeast Asia as in fact having been quite successful. So it hasn't all been a crock of sh*t--your claims to the contrary.

And this is the man who would be president...
'Foreign Affairs', is the periodical of the Council on Foreign Relations. A very shady group according to some. Unless you are a member, Foriegn Affairs is hard to get. You a member Pythagoras?? There is at least one poster here who 'was' a member of the CFR. Emphasis on 'was'.
Edwards is going to give a talk to this globalist elite group. About a year ago or so he also made a speech to another globalist, elitist group, the Bilderbergers. Why do you think these global take over artists want to hear from him???
Any politician or would be politician, who kisses the ring of globalism wont get any support from me.
The problem is the US gov is now, and has been top heavy with these global kiss-azzes, Bush and his daddy included. I dont care how nuch they talk about it, these people dont work for me, or the rest of you either.
I dont know that Bush is the worse president in US history, but he is the weakest Commander in Chief ever. The only two candidates who might actually be good CIC's, are Tancredo and Fred Thompson, and he is not running yet. Every candidate on the demo side is a weak kneed coward, or cowardess.
Give John a new comb, a can of hairspray, and send him home.
If we are going to win against Islam, we need leaders with balls. If not, I guess the people will just have to get fed up enough to do it themselves.

Ynkedoodl2, you seem to be advocating that we withdraw back to the US and fight purely a defensive war, (sorry if I’ve paraphrased incorrectly). If I’m correct, then what you’ve described is called Isolationism.

Isolationism is frequently followed by periods of frenzied warfare. The warfare results from the many problems that were left to fester and spread while people blissfully ignored what was going on in the world around them.

We are still paying dividends for the Isolationism leading to WWII. The repercussions are often lasting. How exactly is Isolationism going to save Western civilization?

Bush swings blindly, and sometimes hits a few useful targets.

Edwards, and the rest of the "denialists", would have us stand still and hope for the best.

Better to be thrashing wildly than sitting and waiting.

Even though neither is an ideal way to fight the Jihad, ay least choice one kills a few jihadis.

Edwards, et al, are pre-9/11 suckers.

You get either a one-eyed pitbull with two good teeth or a nearsighted poodle with just gums.

New al Qaeda Tapes Feature U.S. Capitol Under 'Attack'
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/05/new_al_qaeda_ta.html

I wonder what kind of “haircut” Al Kayda would give the breck guy? Gee, maybe he could tell them for us, look fellas I know its all our fault and I’m willing to negotiate so come on in, bring your knives, I know we can work it out. Freedom of religion, who needs it. Womens rights, I was for them before I was against them. Suicide bombers in America, so what, hey where’s your tolerance you islamophobe they are only doing jobs Americans won’t do. Pitiful.
Attention congressional dems/rinos, now is a good time to crawl back under your desks.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/5/22/20657/9795

John Edwards is packed for Chicago.
by elizabethedwards
Tue May 22, 2007 at 05:28:25 PM PDT

John is first to have his bags packed for Chicago and YearlyKos. The decision was easy: the opportunity to talk, to listen, to question and to learn from the people who make online the center of real political dialogue that YearlyKos offers is important. Unparalleled, really. And so John will be there, there with you.

I think that about says it all.

Move past the war on terror? When the world is dealing with a collective mindset that brings THIS to the table:

Fatwa: Sorry, Mohammed, you'll need to get your milk in a bowl from now on
By israelinsider staff May 23, 2007


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Shavuot is a Jewish holiday associated with dairy products, but this breaking milky news pertains to our Muslim cousin.

AFP reports that a professor at Egypt's Islamic Al Azhar university Monday has retracted a religious edict which states that a woman can only be left alone with a strange man if she breastfeeds him.

Ezzat Attia, president of the university's Hadith department, which studies traditions based on the Prophet Mohammed's words and deeds, has withdrawn his fatwa and apologized for any inconvenience he caused.

He had stated that a woman is allow to be alone with a man to whom she is not related -- such as an office colleague -- if she nurses him "directly from her breast" at least five times.

The ruling had reportedly put a dent in milk sales throughout the Muslim world.

According to Mabruk Attia (apparently unrelated), a professor of theology at the university, the Prophet Mohammed had advised a woman to nurse her adult adopted son, to become his wet nurse, following an Islamic ban on adoption. The woman gave the man her breast milk from a bowl, and not directly from the teat, this other Professor Attia attested.

The ruling sparked a furor, especially among female professors. "If the country's top cleric himself had made the same statements, he would not be considered respectable," the aptly named Milka Yussef, a professor of theology at Al Azhar, told the weekly Al Karama paper. She said even debating the issue was "insane." She doubted that most Muslim women could produce more than four bowls full.

Ezzat Attia may have had liberal motives for his ruling, since Islam's strict prohibitions on male-female fraternization prevent men and women from working together. He argued that if a man nursed from a co-worker, it would establish a family bond between them and allow the two to work side-by-side without raising suspicion of an illicit sexual relation.

More conservative pundits in Egypt would have none of it. "When you walk into a government building, you should not be shocked to find a 50-year-old civil servant suckling his colleague," the independent daily Al Dustur said ironically after the fatwa was issued.

Apparently, colleagues will now need to be content drinking dairy delicacies from a bowl.

John Edwards should hop out of this race, he has nothing to offer this country and would dhimmi up at the first opportunity.

Festival of idiots I mean yearly orcs, I mean, well you know what I mean.
Are they set to give out cute little puppies to all attendees? Ones they will strangle at a later date, when they are back home, all alone, in mammas basement.

“a woman can only be left alone with a strange man if she breastfeeds him”
Wow, they are really pulling out all the stops to get converts these days aren’t they. Question, in the interest of building bridges, will the breck guy if elected partake in this milkmongering?

John Edwards is a perfect example of why our Founding Fathers limited voter eligibility to lien-free landowning males. Nice hair John.

...Hence it is that such democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.

Federalist 10; Madison http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/federal/fed10.htm

memo to Ynkee Doodle2:

First of all you are evidently blissfully unaware that the US Democratic Party presently has at least 2 Muslims holding office in America. One is Senator Barack Obama and the other is Senator Keith Richards. (You may be aware that Obama is running for president). The Democratic Party recently at a national convention had a mosque IMAM say "prayers" before the opening of the meeting! And Gerry Ferraro DEFENDED THIS ACT ON HANNITY AND COLMES. The video was accesible from this website and many of us watched it in utter horror and with complete disbelief.

You are correct in asserting that the Republican Bush Administration is working with at least one mosque and imam in Iraq.

Which doesn't mean beans my friend.

WHY, you ask?

First of all, Iraq is over THERE and we have much better-financed (and armed) mosques HERE in America. The mosques can't hurt us from over there in Iraq. But Muslims on US soil can hurt us HERE (many of these US Muslims believe in suicide bombings, too, as evinced in recent polls of US Muslims-- the results of which can be seen here at JW). It is the Democrats who are in bed with the mosques HERE. And I will take aim at them for that and for allowing a Muslim not only the Democratic ticket but to run FOR PRESIDENT (AND THEN LIE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT HIS RELIGIOUS AFFILIATIONS, WHICH MR. OBAMA IS DOING WITH IMPUNITY).

Secondly, Iraq is now less a nation state than a battle field. Iraq is almost completely drained of capital and human resources with which to wage jihad against America in sharp contrast to the situation there under Saddam Hussein who routinely cut multi-billion euro deals with France, Germany, and Russia among others. Just what do you think Iraq could do to America now (propaganda value notwithstanding)?

Get off your bloody high horse chum and try studying the problem of global jihad thoroughly instead of whatever it is you think you are doing. Because whatever it is you think you're doing isn't going to get anybody anywhere except killed by jihadists.

We all know Bush and Co., aren't 'cutting it'. But that doesn't mean Bush can't be outdone in ineffectiveness against jihad warfare by a Democrat. It is very probable that he will be and we will all in that case regret that it had to come to that.

In short, you don't know enough. Hit the books.

memo to Arm A. Geddon:

try reading some of my posts. I never bought for a minute the line Islam is being 'hijacked' by the 'extremists'. I never hinted at such a thing either and if you didn't know it, you do now.

Islam has to be outlawed in the US and western democracies-- and soon. Almost everything I have posted is related to that in one way or another.

All you are doing is spinning your wheels with your claims here, that it is a waste of time to defend America from jihadist warfare. That viewpoint is absolutely ridiculous.

You need to forget about posting any 'ideas' because you don't seem to have any. And I was really calling attention to that.

Sad news about our service personnel.

I heard another report that one was found beheaded; not sure if either of these reports are accurate but here goes ...

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4227

Iraqi police find body of man in US military uniform floating on the Euphrates south of Baghdad

May 24, 2007, 12:11 AM (GMT+02:00)

He had been shot in the head and the chest. The Iraqi police said the body, which had a tattoo on its left hand, was that of an American soldier and had been turned over to US forces.

It is suspected that he may be one the three soldiers al Qaeda abducted on May 12 in an ambush near Mahmoudiya south of Baghdad.

Thousands of US troops have been scouring the area for the missing men, two of whom US commander in Iraq Gen. David Petraeus said earlier this week he believed were still alive.

Across Iraq, 7 US soldiers and 2 Marines were killed by roadside bombings and in gun battles, bringing to 85 the number of US servicemen killed in May.

You were saying Mr. edwards?

If you think that destroying the secular nation of Iraq with its Don Corleone inspired anti-Islamist leader Saddam Hussein ... and replacing it with an Iranian puppet state ruled by Shia theocrats (Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution) is called progress in the war to defend ourselves...

1) We didn't destroy a secular nation. We didn't destroy anything. We liberated Iraq's population and offered them freedom, at our great expense.

The Iraqis, and other Moslem activists, destroyed Iraq.

2) Saddam's former intelligence chief ran the World Train Center bombing in '93. Saddam was behind the Oklahoma City bombing in '95, both financially and logistically. Saddam underwrote Sunni Jihad war terror bombing operations in and around Israel. It is beyond argument that Saddam actively sought and obtained, WMD.

True, Saddam was a much better option for us than the incoming Mesopotamian leadership, but for a trillion dollars we've proven they can't be civilized.

Can't.

Pythagoras says:

"Bush DID in fact identify the enemy: islamo-fascism' (perhaps ineffectually,as has often been the case with his presidency). The reason Bush wasn't more complete in his definition of the enemy in the war on terror (and come out into the open and label it 'Islam' which it clearly is), is because even the leader of the free does not possess sufficient leverage to openly attack Islam for what it is-- it is too strongly worldwide established at this point in history for that."

I can appreciate the hestitancy of the leader of the free world to come right out and say what we agree he should say, that being the problem is Islam. If the ummah took offense to the Pope's indirect remarks, we can imagine the reaction should Bush show the world that he "gets it".

But here's my problem. He shows absolutely no indication that he understands that the problem is with Islam. He need not hold a press conference or make a national TV address to the nation. Just a sign to show that he has taken the time to educate himself on what Islam is all about will do.

Two events reported here at JW over the past two weeks shows his continued ignorance ( and yes ignorance is a strong derogatory chraracterization, see below). 1) The building of a $500+ super sized US Embassy in Baghdad going full-bore, 2) the building of 2 super mardrassas in Afghanistan with hopes to offer a kinder and gentler education of Islam to Afghanis more inclined to get their Muslim education in "radical "Pakistan.

These are signs that support Hugh's discription of him being the engineer of a runaway train.

I would guess that there are many here at JW, like me, that have learned what they know about Islam after September 11, 2001. My "education" began months ago. It didn't take me more than a few books and visits to this site to have my entire world view change and it scares the sh*t out of me. But I figured it out. It ain't rocket science. I can explain this to my 10 year old.

Until 5 months ago I guess I had an excuse for not "getting it"( work, family, etc.). But I am not the freakin' leader of the free world. So what that he said we should treat Islam as a Religion of Peace after 9/11 out of cautious ignorance. He was commander in chief for only 9 months at that time. If many of us didn't know, how can we say he should have known more.

But still today? More than 5 years later not a single sign? It is embarrassing to read posts here at JW from around the globe telling us how ignorant our President is. I have to agree with them. He is guilty of first degree ignorance. There are no more freakin' excuses for it.

What are the chances of 'Mister Ed'[horse was probably more intelligent] of becoming Prez?

I vote with Hugh, Edwards is O-U-T! Then again we have crazies who eat this stuff up! I watched him say this! What!!???? I could not believe he was saying this and what is he saying and what do you call it then Edwards? Like not saying the N word! How then do we address it? What stupidity!
Maybe if we vote for him we can find out?!

That is compared to his hair cut right? Cheaper than a bumper sticker?!! Next we will hear 'you mis-quoted me!'. What a thing to say! How did he come to that?

Hugh: It is hard to make the Bush Administration look good. Edwards is doing it. He's out, or should be.

You just nicely worded what I was thinking. Thanks!

And there are "two Islams" vice Two Americas"? As opposed to the two Americas of rich and poor, the Two Islams are the peaceful (only 80% per the latest Pew Poll) and the 20% violent, jihad loving Muslims? Bush and his administration has not been straight with the American people about just who the real enemy is for various reasons that have been bantered about on this site, but Edwards and his Democrat ilk, they're even more head-in-the-sand types. When will this government and its "leaders" get some spine and face/tell the truth?

Ynkedoodl2; It was more than 9 years. and Yes I do blame sodom! He was a murderer! Mass murderer!
Are you saying we should of went right into Iran!
We could not at that time. It is getting close.
sodom had ties with Iran! Iran is a threat! Maybe we can get our "allies" in on this one this time instead of doing it alone......

I was going to lay off G.W. and Iraq for a couple of days and then I see this on CNN..

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/23/iraq.main/index.html

"The U.S. military is joining forces with the State Department to prepare a new Iraq strategy that includes negotiating cease-fire and power-sharing agreements with some enemy combatants, U.S. officials said Wednesday."

The words State Dept and Military joining forces is never a good thing...

When oh when can we end this farse!

O.T., but..

Spin Alert!! Spin Alert!!

Tucker Carlson on the Pew Survey.

Watch Doogie do the Hooper Dance:

http://www.cair.com/default.asp?Page=articleView&id=44120&theType=NB

Maybe we can call this the "Hooper Shuffle"

89 posts? This may already be posted, but here is a good video of the "silky pony"
http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=2AE847UXu3Q&eurl=&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/2AE847UXu3Q/2.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIwADlzJaDMAcdYJrhsa6sv

".....American military resources and emboldened terrorists."

Terrorists? What terrorists?

Wonder if Edwards would prefer that we call this war what it actually is?

Containment of barbarians? War on those who are trying to force their demonic religion down everyone's throats?

Prickzilla, thanks for the link! Hopefully this is just the first salvo in the debate that should have started long ago. We should see many other such hard-hitting programs on this topic in the days and weeks ahead… let’s hope.

Naseem

There are plenty of Christians and Jews in America.

You should learn to worship the Creator GOD, instead you worship an arab pagan idol allah the moon-god. Mohammed tricked you.

1Cr 10:20 No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

So then these pagan arabs were worshiping demons when they were worshiping idols (one of which was allah).

We are told not to accept new doctrines but to hold fast to THE doctrine.

Who was this messenger that gave Mohammed another doctrine?????

2Cr 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

1Ti 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

So then it stands to reason that demons can fool people into believing a false doctrine - one directly against God almighty.

FloatingRock....Amen to that.

"look at the track record of the Amerike since 9/11. "

Naseem, Please... We are not "the Amerike" We are the United States of America, a place where Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, the Sikh, the Baha'i and yes, even Muslims can practice their faith freely, without persecution. You live in Pakistan where crazies blow up music shops because Music is Un-Islamic. No thanks.

"First of all you are evidently blissfully unaware that the US Democratic Party presently has at least 2 Muslims holding office in America. One is Senator Barack Obama and the other is Senator Keith Richards. (You may be aware that Obama is running for president)."

Pythagoras, what on EARTH are you talking about???
First of all, Barack Obama is not a Muslim, and unless you have any information to the contrary to prove me wrong, I think you are wrong....Sp he attended the "madrassa" when he was a mere child, that does not make him a Muslim. Neither does his name, or his father or his step father.

and Senator Keith Richards...... Senator Keith Richards???? Keith Richards is NOT a senator, he is a guitarist for the Rolling Stones, and he is not even American. Do you perhaps mean Congressman Keith Ellison? If that is the case, he is a Muslim, but he is not a Senator, he is a Congressman from the House of Representatives. Please. Get you facts straight, Please. That is the least you can do.

Hugh:

As bad as Bush is, virtually all of his potential successors will be worse. I have hope for the plain spoken Fred Thompson, the only "tier-1" type candidate who will be an improvement over Bush.

If PC thinking has impeded President Bush, a man significantly resistant to the whims of societal forces, imagine what PC thinking will have on his successor.

As many acknowledge, political reality does not allow a President to take on Islam directly. The best we can hope for is for a President to "get it" and take appropriate action without saying exactly what the challenge is.

This is the continuoum as I see it

(1) Islam is a religion of peace ("all things Islam are good"): this category is pretty much limited to Muslims of the Islamo-Communists who are just fruitcakes

(2) Islam is like any other religion ("there is lots of violence in the old testament" and "how dare you criticize someone's deeply held faith" etc): this is category includes every Democratic candidate for President

(3) Islam is basically a good religion that has been hijacked: this category includes President Bush and many Republican Presidential candidates

(4) There are clearly aspects of Islam that make Muslims prone to violence: I would place Fred Thompson in this category as well as Rush Limbaugh. This category is differentiated from
(5) in that these folks don't seem interested in getting people to really think about Islam, but they don't mouth off phrases like "religion of peace"

(5) Islam is the threat

I don't think we will ever get to (5) but (4) is better than (3). What gets me nervous is that so many of our media and political elites fall into (2).

President Bush has taken a lot of heat on this site, and while I have been one of his defenders here and elsewhere, my defense has always been from the perspective that a resounding political defeat of President Bush is likely to make his successor more PC (more like Carter/Edwards) than better.

My real fear is that 4 years from now, Hugh looks back fondly on the Bush years. A President Edwards or a President Clinton could have that impact.

On a more positive note, if Fred Thompson would become a President who talks about these issues, things would get better.

http://abcradio.com/article.asp?id=407528&SPID=15663

http://abcradio.com/article.asp?

http://abcradio.com/article.asp?id=401412&SPID=15663id=403017&SPID=15663

ThinkForYourSelf-

I'd prefer Keith Richards to Keith Ellison.

I would too, profitsbeard, but that is besides the point. ;)

e need a post-Bush, post-9/11, post-Iraq military that is mission focused on protecting Americans from 21st century threats, not misused for discredited ideological purposes," Edwards said in remarks prepared for delivery. "By framing this as a war, we have walked right into the trap the terrorists have set—that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war on Islam."

I swear, politicians become more repugnant every day. I wonder what Edwards would consider a "21st century threat" if the worldwide islamic jihad doesn't qualify. How many times do the jihadists have to declare war against the West before our idiot politicians will believe that we are in a monumental struggle for our survival? I remain stupefied at the unbelievable ignorance of the elitist morons who think they are qualified to be president, not to mention the hundreds of sitting senators and representatives, 90% of whom are just as ignorant. How can this be?! How can such blatant benightedness afflict those who are supposed to be the best and the brightest?

What will become of us since there is no electable candidate who understands our perilous plight? Tancredo is the only one who has a clue and he doesn't stand a chance. We desperately need a third party in this country and we need it now. The Democrat and Republican parties are both totally corrupt and they represent special interest groups, not the people who elect them. Politics in America become more depressing every day and the thought of Hillary as president is so terrifying that I can hardly bear it. What will be left of America after four years of her Marxist manipulations? Yes, Bush has been horrible in most ways but I have no doubt that she will be far worse. We deserve to have a fresh face and a new name; I'm sick of the Bushes and the Clintons and I'm tired of being forced to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Oh well, if the hideous immigration bill passes, the Republican party is history. if Bush's anti-conservative reign hasn't already killed it. The sad thing is that the Democrats are worse than Bush and to vote for them to spite the traitorous Republicans is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. So what do you do? A third party is the only solution. John McCain has conspired with the left-wing to do enormous damage to our political system and our country. I despise him as much as I despise Ted Kennedy and nothing would be better for America than their departure from elected office. I just don't understand why they keep getting elected.

OT---is there an annual meeting for Jihadwatch?

Any live events/meetings/gatherings for folks to meet up with others, share adult beverages, plan, strategize, and otherwise draw strength from not being alone.

Some type of annual or periodic gathering would be both fun and productive in my view.

I really want to thank Robert and Hugh for opening my eyes to Islam. I also want to thank so many of the regular commentors on this site--many of you feel like old friends even though we have never met.

Naseem:

As I understand it, a 'flash in the pan' is something which is 'here today - gone tomorrow'.

As Christianity has been around for 2000 years, I hardly think this description fits.

Satan always tries to imitate that which God has accomplished - hence Islam.
He chose a mentally sick and very evil individual to achieve his purpose. Naseem, you have been deceived!

Edwards said in remarks prepared for delivery. "By framing this as a war, we have walked right into the trap the terrorists have set—that we are engaged in some kind of clash of civilizations and a war on Islam."

Let's remember this is a shallow careerist blowdried lawyer who gets $400 haircuts.

He'll say anything.. pander to anyone.. just to become President.

He'd make a deal with the devil to get the Trophy that the Presidency has quite apparently become among the Gilded Set.

Even if he might well be the last - should he somehow defy both himself and the odds.

The fact that GWB attained the office should be ample warning.

We cannot afford another disaster.

Damage control would be a Giuliani or a Romney. Salvation would be Tom Tancredo, who unfortunately has less of a chance then even the vapid [pretty vacant] Edwards.

Sad but true...

And I can't think of a single dhimmicrat candidate who could even qualify as an interim placeholder while we search for a real leader.

Who, having drunk the Wine of Life, would ever willingly drink poison?
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy

I like that line, but it does not fit muslims. They prefer death and say so.
While some muslims have deliberatly blown themselves up, I dont see muslims throwing themselves under trucks, and off bridges. They claim this life is no good, and Allahs heaven is the place to be, so dying
being the only way to get there, is desirable. Dying from jihad , of course , is the quickest way to get there. So if death is so good, why do they try so hard to stay alive? I think they have already drank the poison, so thier reason and critical faculties, have been seriously impaired. But since they are still breathing, apostacy, can fix the problem.
They need to give Allah the boot and send him packing.

PassedOn.rg

MoveOnPast.org

OhJustPassAway.org

please

Sobieski,

I emailed Jihad Watch with your comments, and received the following response in an email from Robert Spencer:

I'd love to do this, but there is no money and no plans right now.

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OT---is there an annual meeting for Jihadwatch?

Any live events/meetings/gatherings for folks to meet up with others, share adult beverages, plan, strategize, and otherwise draw strength from not being alone.

Some type of annual or periodic gathering would be both fun and productive in my view.
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ThinkForYourself:

Thanks for forwarding it on.

In terms of money, such an event could easily be self-funded---heck it could even be a fundraiser.

@pythagoras

You've proved you know NOTHING!

You could not even answer my question.

You are a fool!

@pythagoras

"We all know Bush and Co., aren't 'cutting it'. But that doesn't mean Bush can't be outdone in ineffectiveness against jihad warfare by a Democrat. It is very probable that he will be and we will all in that case regret that it had to come to that."

You're putting words in my mouth. And your logic is catywampus!

by the way, still waiting:
Who are our allies in Iraq? Please name the political party and the spiritual mentor of that party. Since you consider yourself so well-informed, can you please tell me the answer?

"You've proved you know NOTHING!

You could not even answer my question.

You are a fool!"
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Well, Ynkedoodl2, you have a guy who says America has two elected Muslims, and they are Senators' Barack Obama and Keith Richards (?)...

it does raise a red flag or two...

pythagoras

The fact that you think Obama is a Muslim shows you know zilch, nada, zero. You can't even identify the name of the political party you so blissfully think we should go on supporting in Iraq. Clown!

Mz, another brilliant genius:

"sodom had ties with Iran! Iran is a threat! Maybe we can get our "allies" in on this one this time instead of doing it alone......"

You might begin by spelling Saddam's name correctly. As for the rest, well, let it go.

@alarmed pig farmer

"1) We didn't destroy a secular nation. We didn't destroy anything. We liberated Iraq's population and offered them freedom, at our great expense.

Correction:

Liberated Iraq's population? Tell that to the fleeing Jews, Christians, secularists. Tell that to the Sunnis killed by SCARI's militias. Tell that to the terrified intelligentsia of Iraq, professors, educators, musicians, artists, too scared to leave their homes. Liberated? When the theocratic thugs of SCARI and their Iranian puppetmasters finish Islamizing Iraq, you will be on your knees wishing for Saddam's ghost!

Correction of point two:

The Iraqis were running things just fine prior to March 2003 when the one-eyed pitbull named George Bush decided to take down Saddam in a cynical scheme to lock up his re-election. Now we're in bed with these crazies.

and Senator Keith Richards...... Senator Keith Richards???? Keith Richards is NOT a senator, he is a guitarist for the Rolling Stones, and he is not even American. Do you perhaps mean Congressman Keith Ellison? If that is the case, he is a Muslim, but he is not a Senator, he is a Congressman from the House of Representatives. Please. Get you facts straight, Please. That is the least you can do.
Posted by: ThinkForYourself

@pythagoras

Time to get your coat.

Why George W. Bush & The British Aristocrats Won't Go After The Ultimate Source Of Muslim Terrorists:SAUDI ARABIA's & U.A.E.'s MONEY TO THEM!REPUBLICAN PARTY ADMINISTRATION & CONGRESS ELECTED TWICE WITH SAUDI FRONTED MONEY!
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BUSH FINANCIAL TIES TO SAUDIS-2
The decision last week by federal regulators to fine Riggs Bank $25 million for a "willful, systemic" violation of anti-money-laundering laws is raising new questions about whether the Bush administration's ties to powerful moneyed interests is unduly influencing U.S. foreign and national security policy. Riggs Bank is headed by longtime Bush family friend Joe Allbritton, employs President Bush's uncle Jonathan as a top executive, and other executives have been financial donors to the Bush campaign. The bank is at the center of a controversy, according to the Wall Street Journal, for failing to monitor "tens of millions of dollars in cash withdrawals from accounts related to the Saudi Arabian and Equatorial Guinean embassy," including "suspicious incidents involving dozens of sequentially numbered cashier's checks and international drafts written by Saudi officials, including Saudi Ambassador Prince Bandar bin Sultan." Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) "said members of the bank's board of directors should be held to account for failing to exercise their watchdog role over Riggs's operations" and said refusal to follow money laundering laws "allows terrorists to funnel their blood money through the system."

CONNECTION – JONATHAN BUSH AND RIGGS: Jonathan Bush, President Bush's uncle, was appointed CEO of Riggs Bank's investment arm in May of 2000, just months after his nephew secured the nomination for the presidency. At the time of the appointment, Jonathan Bush had already become a major financial backer of his nephew, rising to "Bush Pioneer" status by raising more than $100,000 for his nephew in 2000. The move solidified the relationship between Jonathan Bush and Riggs, which was originally initiated in 1997 when, according to American Banker newsletter, Riggs paid Bush $5.5 million for his smaller investment firm. That transaction, according to the NYT, "deepened [Riggs's] links to the Bushes." While Riggs denies any connection between Bush and the accounts being investigated in the money laundering probe, Riggs President Timothy Lex told the Washington Times in 1997 that "there's a blurring of distinctions between banks, mutual-fund families, broker dealers and everything else across the board."

CONNECTION - ALLBRITTON-BUSH LINK: Allbritton, who said during the federal probe that he was stepping down from Riggs's board, also was close to the Bush family. As the NYT reported, he (along with Riggs client Saudi Prince Bandar) was a financial backer of the George Bush Presidential Library and Museum, with National Journal noting he contributed between $100,000 - $250,000 to the project. And there also appears to be a personal bond with the current President Bush: As the 2/15/01 WP noted, "When President Bush climbed out of his limousine on Inauguration Day at the corner of 15th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, he spotted Allbritton, waved and said, 'Hey Joe, how are you doing?'" That might have something to do with the fact that, according to the 11/7/2000 Arkansas Democrat-Gazette, Allbritton-owned TV station KATV in Little Rock broke 39 years of precedent and publicly endorsed Bush in the 2000 presidential election. The station, which is the biggest in the state, proceeded to air its endorsement 10 times throughout Arkansas, and refused to give equal time to Democrats "who asked for the time to present an alternative to the station's endorsement."

ACTION – LOOSENING BANKING REGS THAT COULD AFFECT RIGGS: According to Daniel Benjamin and Steven Simon's "Age of Sacred Terror," upon taking office the Bush administration tried to halt efforts to tighten international banking laws – some of which may have affected Riggs. As he notes, the new Bush Treasury Department
"disapproved of the Clinton administration's approach to money laundering issues, which had been an important part of the drive to cut off the money flow to bin Laden." Specifically, the Bush administration opposed Clinton administration-backed efforts by the G-7 and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development that targeted countries with "loose banking regulations" being abused by terrorist financiers. Meanwhile, the Bush administration provided "no funding for the new National Terrorist Asset Tracking Center."
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Bush Financial Ties To Saudis-3
1978 Charles W. “Bill” White, a former Annapolis graduate and US Navy pilot, graduates from Harvard’s business school. He is then introduced to Jim Bath who is looking for someone to manage his real estate company. Bath hires White as his partner. Money from the bin Laden and bin Mahfouz families is invested in Bath’s real estate company. Among other things, Bath buys the Saudis an airport, office and apartment buildings, and invests in Texas banks. Eventually, Salem Bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz buy an enormous mansion in River Oaks, Houston’s most affluent neighborhood.
Bush Jr. was a young man when he received funding for his first oil venture from Jim Bath.
George W. Bush starts up an oil company in Texas called Arbusto 78. Bath will invest money from Salem bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz in this new company. Bill White is told by Bath that more than $1-million of the Saudis’ money was pumped into Bush’s venture.
1979
The Carter administration, through the CIA, begins to fund the fledgling mujahadeen in Afghanistan – six months before the Soviet invasion – in the hopes of drawing the USSR into its own Vietnam.
1980
George H.W. Bush runs for the presidential nomination of the Republican Party, but loses to Ronald Reagan. He becomes Reagan’s running mate and eventual vice-president.
1981
Osama bin Laden, son of the founder of the Bin Laden Group, the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia, travels to Afghanistan to help the mujahadeen in their bloody war against the Soviet Union.
1986
Bill White and Jim Bath have a falling out. Bath then launches 28 frivolous lawsuits against White, leading to White’s financial ruin and expulsion from Houston’s business community. White fights the lawsuits, refusing to take a huge pay off to keep silent about his knowledge of Bath’s relationship to the Saudis and Bush family. Read an interview with Bill White
1987
Harken Energy, a company that George W. Bush’s failed oil companies have been folded into, receives $25-million stock offering underwritten by significant players connected to the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), a Middle Eastern banking concern. Bush is key to Harken obtaining the money.
1989
The Soviets pull out of Afghanistan after the CIA spends (US) $3-billion on the largest covert operation in its history. Osama bin Laden returns to Saudi Arabia, angry with how the Americans abandoned Afghanistan after the Soviet retreat.
Bin Mahfouz lived in Houston and had ties to both the bin Ladens and Jim Bath.
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BUSH FAMILY & MUSLIM $$$ TIES!!!
Bush Family Dealings with UAE; Dubai Co. Agrees to Delay US Port Take-Over

LOU DOBBS: President Bush's family and members of the Bush administration have long-standing business connections with the United Arab Emirates, and those connections are raising new concerns and questions tonight in some quarters about why the president is defying his very own party leadership and his party in defending the Dubai port deal. Christine Romans reports.
CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice over): The oil-rich United Arab Emirates is a major investor in The Carlyle Group, the private equity investment firm where President Bush's father once served as senior adviser and is a who's who of former high-level government officials. Just last year, Dubai International Capital, a government-backed buyout firm, invested in an $8 billion Carlyle fund. Another family connection, the president's brother, Neil Bush, has reportedly received funding for his educational software company from the UAE investors. A call to his company was not returned. Then there is the cabinet connection. Treasury Secretary John Snow was chairman of railroad company CSX/. After he left the company for the White House, CSX sold its international port operations to Dubai Ports World for more than a billion dollars. In Connecticut today, Snow told reporters he had no knowledge of that CSX sale. "I learned of this transaction probably the same way members of the Senate did, by reading about it in the newspapers."Another administration connection, President Bush chose a Dubai Ports World executive to head the U.S. Maritime Administration. David Sanborn, the former director of Dubai Ports' European and Latin American operations, he was tapped just last month to lead the agency that oversees U.S. port operations." After testy Senate Armed Forces Committee briefings today with a Treasury Department underling and the press, on the deal to cede US port control to the United Arab Emirates, C-SPAN hosted a call-in program for Americans to comment on the briefings.As is normal for C-SPAN call-in programs, separate phone numbers were provided for Republicans, Democrats and Independents. I was astonished during the 30 minutes I listened to the callers....
About 80% were Republicans, and every last one of them was fighting angry at the Bush Admnistration. One Republican senior threatened to switch to the Democratic Party for the first time in his life. Another conservative shouted that the Bush family cares only about money, and not national security. Every single caller, regardless of partisan affiliation, expressed fury at the deal and at George Bush. Many were livid with all Republicans.To no one's surprise, it was announced this evening via AP that "A United Arab Emirates company offered Thursday to delay part of its $6.8 billion takeover of most operations at six U.S. ports to give the Bush administration more time to convince skeptical lawmakers the deal poses no security risks.Under the offer coordinated with the White House, Dubai Ports World said it will agree not to exercise control or influence the management over U.S. ports pending further talks with the Bush administration and Congress. It did not indicate how long it will wait for these discussions to take!

WE SHOULD NEVER ALLOW THE ENEMIES OF FREEDOM & DEMOCRACY TO BUY OUR PORTS, MAJOR CORPORATIONS,LIKE W.T.O. & G.A.T.T.!!!
OR TECHNOLOGIES THAT COULD BE USED AGAINST US IN WAR!!!ARAB & ISLAMIC (MUSLIM) DICTATORS ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN NAZIS, COMMUNISTS, & MILITARY DICTATORS!!!

The only way to get politicians who will represent the average working and middle class citizen is to pass 5 U.S. Constitutional Amendments:

#1. Balanced Trade: every country who sells in the U.S. should buy equal amount of products from the U.S.A.

#2. Public Financing of All Political Elections:(Federal,State, County,City or Township) with no personal or outside contributions. (see www.just6.org )

#3 National Refererendum Vote: (for Federal, State, County, City, & Township)4 times a year where citizens can over ride The President, Congress, & The Supreme Court and any politician with a 2/3 majority!

#4 Environmental & Worker's Human Rights Amendment-Enforce all worker rights in a worldwide trading partner to unionize, have health and safety standards, human rights standards(including freedoms of religion, assembly, association, speech, press & all media,representation, property, equality, arms ownership), and enforce all world standards for environmental manufacturing and disposal of hazardous materials with loss of trade for non-compliance!

#5. No Child Or Adult shall be entitled to citizenship, or ownership of business, property, or financial assets until proven to be a legal resident alien or U.S. citizen or by being the child of at least one legal U.S. citizen or legal Resident Alien.

Until then we have Government Of The Rich, By The Rich & For The Rich ruining the U.S.A.

9-11 SAUDI CONSPIRACY OR COINCIDENCE?
Is it a conspiracy or a coincidence? There is a long and tangled history between the Bush family and the elite of Saudi Arabia.
There are many business and connections between the Bush family and the elite of Saudi Arabia.
It begins in the 1970's in Houston, Texas, when George W. Bush was just starting out in his family's two businesses of politics and oil. The powerful - and very rich - Bin Laden family helped fund his first venture into oil.
The cozy friendship continued for decades. After a terrorist attack at a barracks in Saudi Arabia which killed 19 Americans, the bin Laden family received a multi-billion dollar contract to re-build. And incredibly, George Bush Sr. was in a business meeting at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in Washington on the morning of September 11th with one of Osama Bin Laden's brothers.
Below is a timeline that details the relationship between the Bin Laden and Bush families that culminates in the tragic events of September 11th.
1968
George W. Bush joins the Texas Air National Guard, a coveted position that ensures he doesn’t have to serve in Vietnam. While a member of the Guard, Bush meets and befriends Jim Bath, a former Air Force pilot and budding entrepreneur.
1976
George H. W. Bush becomes director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). During his tenure, Bush helps provide training for the Saudi royal family’s palace guard, cementing a relationship that proves critical to the Bush family’s fortunes. Bush also privatizes various CIA assets, with Bath considered one of the beneficiaries because of his involvement in the aircraft business. Bath will later tell a business associate he works for the CIA and was recruited by Bush Sr.
Jim Bath is alleged to be the link between the Bin Laden and Bush families.
Salem Bin Laden, older brother to future al Qaeda leader Osama, enters into a trust agreement with Jim Bath, whereby Bath will act as the bin Laden family’s representative in North America, investing money in various business ventures. Bath also becomes the business representative of Khalid bin Mahfouz, a member of Saudi Arabia’s most powerful banking family and owners of the National Commercial Bank, the principal bank of the Saudi royal family.
1978
Charles W. “Bill” White, a former Annapolis graduate and US Navy pilot, graduates from Harvard’s business school. He is then introduced to Jim Bath who is looking for someone to manage his real estate company. Bath hires White as his partner. Money from the bin Laden and bin Mahfouz families is invested in Bath’s real estate company. Among other things, Bath buys the Saudis an airport, office and apartment buildings, and invests in Texas banks. Eventually, Salem Bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz buy an enormous mansion in River Oaks, Houston’s most affluent neighborhood.

Read an interview with Bill White
Bush Jr. was a young man when he received funding for his first oil venture from Jim Bath.

George W. Bush starts up an oil company in Texas called Arbusto 78. Bath will invest money from Salem bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz in this new company. Bill White is told by Bath that more than $1-million of the Saudis’ money was pumped into Bush’s venture.

1979
The Carter administration, through the CIA, begins to fund the fledgling mujahadeen in Afghanistan – six months before the Soviet invasion – in the hopes of drawing the USSR into its own Vietnam.

1980
George H.W. Bush runs for the presidential nomination of the Republican Party, but loses to Ronald Reagan. He becomes Reagan’s running mate and eventual vice-president.

1981
Osama bin Laden, son of the founder of the Bin Laden Group, the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia, travels to Afghanistan to help the mujahadeen in their bloody war against the Soviet Union.

1986
Bill White and Jim Bath have a falling out. Bath then launches 28 frivolous lawsuits against White, leading to White’s financial ruin and expulsion from Houston’s business community. White fights the lawsuits, refusing to take a huge pay off to keep silent about his knowledge of Bath’s relationship to the Saudis and Bush family. Read an interview with Bill White

1987
Harken Energy, a company that George W. Bush’s failed oil companies have been folded into, receives $25-million stock offering underwritten by significant players connected to the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), a Middle Eastern banking concern. Bush is key to Harken obtaining the money.

1989
The Soviets pull out of Afghanistan after the CIA spends (US) $3-billion on the largest covert operation in its history. Osama bin Laden returns to Saudi Arabia, angry with how the Americans abandoned Afghanistan after the Soviet retreat.

Bin Mahfouz lived in Houston and had ties to both the bin Ladens and Jim Bath.

1988-92
The BCCI scandal breaks. The bank is exposed as a massive criminal enterprise, having catered, during it's history, to some of the most notorious villains of the 20th century, including Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, terrorist leaders Abu Nidal, and the Medellin drug cartel, as well as for being involved in money laundering and the Iran contra scandal and for pilfering investors’ cash. Following BCCI's seizure in 1991, Khalid Bin Mahfouz (see above) was indicted in New York State on the grounds that he had withdrawn sizable investments in the bank just before it was seized. In the end, all the charges and claims were dropped after he made payments of $225 million into a Federal Reserve settlement account mainly for the benefit of depositors and creditors who had suffered losses and $245 million to BCCI's court-appointed Liquidators also for the benefit of depositors and creditors.

1991
The first Gulf War occurs, whereby George H. W. Bush is determined to push Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait to ensure the Iraqi dictator doesn’t have a stranglehold on world oil markets. Osama bin Laden urges the Saudi royal family to find an Arab solution, by raising an army on their own to fight Hussein. When the royal family invites the U.S. in to do the job instead, Bin Laden becomes disenchanted with the House of al-Saud. His anger grows when after the war the US leaves 20,000 troops behind in Saudi Arabia. Soon Bin Laden makes a deal with the Saudi royal family: he is allowed to leave the kingdom with his fortune, and will receive funding for al Qaeda from various Saudi charities and banks, but in return he must not launch attacks against the royal family. Bin Laden settles in the Sudan, aiming his ire at the US.

1992
George H. W. Bush loses to Bill Clinton. Eventually the former president becomes an adviser to the Carlyle Group, a powerful Washington-based private investment firm with interests in the defense industry. Among his duties, Bush helps strengthen Carlyle’s ties to the Saudi royal family. He will later visit Saudi Arabia and the bin Laden family compound. The bin Ladens eventually invest in the Carlyle Group. Carlyle buys a company called Vinnell Corp., which provides training to the Saudi palace guard. George W. Bush briefly sits on the board of directors of one of Carlyle’s subsidiaries.

1993
The first attack on the World Trade Centre, which is connected to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, occurs.

1994
George W. Bush becomes governor of Texas.

1995
Five American soldiers are killed in a car bomb in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis quickly execute the suspects they arrest, ignoring wishes from the FBI to interrogate them beforehand.

The Taliban come to power in Afghanistan with the backing of Pakistan’s notorious intelligence agency, the ISI.

1996
Osama bin Laden is forced to move from the Sudan to Afghanistan under pressure from the Clinton administration. Neither the US nor the Saudis make an effort to arrest him – despite the opportunity offered up to them by the Sudanese government.

June
A truck bomb blows up the al-Khobar barracks, housing US air force personnel in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 soldiers. A group called Saudi Hezbollah claims responsibility. Eventually, the Clinton administration drops the investigation because it does not want to upset relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran – the country that funds Hezbollah.

The Saudis meet with an al Qaeda representative at a Paris hotel in 1996.

Summer
A meeting of prominent Saudis occurs in a Paris hotel. Among the attendees is the head of Saudi intelligence, Turki bin Faisal. They meet with a representative of al Qaeda and agree to extend the earlier arrangement made between the Saudi royal family and Osama bin Laden – whereby in return for cash, al Qaeda agrees not to attack inside Saudi Arabia.

The CIA produces an internal report that documents the numerous Saudi charities that are funding terrorists. Osama bin Laden’s name is mentioned.

1998
Al Qaeda makes it most audacious attack to date by blowing up US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people.

2000
January
Ziad Jarrah, pilot of Flight 93, which would crash into a field in Pennsylvania on 9/11, is stopped and interrogated at an airport in United Arab Emirates (UAE). He is returning from al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and is carrying Islamic religious material on him. The US is informed of the interrogation but not the details.

January
A high-powered meeting of al Qaeda occurs in an apartment complex in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. Attending the meeting is Khalid Shaykh Mohammed, the number three man in al Qaeda and mastermind behind the 1998 US embassy attacks, and architect of the USS Cole and 9/11 attacks to come. Also at the meeting is Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, two Saudi citizens who would end up as hijackers on Flight 77, the plane that crashes into the Pentagon on 9/11.

The CIA learns about the meeting beforehand and asks the Malaysian secret police to place it under surveillance. Video footage and photographs of the dozen men in attendance are taken, though no tape recording is possible. After the meeting breaks up, Al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar fly to the US on their own passports, landing in Los Angeles. There they are met by Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi national who works for the Saudi civil aviation authority. Just prior to picking up the two would-be hijackers, Al-Bayoumi meets with a member of the Saudi consulate in LA – a man connected to terrorist activity.

Al-Bayoumi takes al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi to San Diego, puts them up in an apartment, signs a lease, holds a party for them, enrolls them in flight school and gives them money. Later, the FBI concludes that al-Bayoumi is likely a Saudi intelligence agent. Al-Bayoumi also passes on thousands of dollars to the hijackers that originate from Princess Haifa, wife of Prince Bandar Saudi ambassador to the US.

May-June
Members of the Hamburg cell, including ringleader Mohammed Atta, enter the US. They are traveling on Saudi visas, all of which contain errors on them.

September
Al-Hazmi and Al-Mihdhar move into the home of a local imam in San Diego, Abdussattar Shaikh. The imam is an FBI informant. In fact, Shaikh holds meetings with his FBI handler while al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar sit in a room next door. Shaikh contends he was never told what mission the hijackers were on. His FBI handler, meanwhile, was never informed by his superiors to look out for al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar.

October
The USS Cole, sitting in a harbour off the coast of Yemen, is attacked by a boat laden with explosives, killing 17 sailors.

November
George W. Bush is elected president of the US in a contested election. Support for his campaign from the oil industry is generous.

2001
In the months leading up to 9/11, the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency receive a burgeoning mountain of intelligence that a terrorist attack of some magnitude, and launched by Al Qaeda, is imminent. They assume the attack will happen overseas.

January
The CIA and FBI begin to piece together the importance of the individuals who met a year earlier in Malaysia. Despite the information they have, neither al-Hazmi nor al-Mihdhar are placed on the State Department and Customs watch list.

April
Al-Hazmi is stopped for speeding in Oklahoma. He is let go because his name does not appear in the police officer’s data bank as a wanted man.

May
The CIA will later determine that Khalid Shaykh Mohammed, architect of 9/11 and al Qaeda’s other attacks, was entering the US as late as this month, despite the fact he is a well-known figure in the terrorist netherworld, his name first becoming known to the CIA as early as 1995.

June
CIA and FBI meet to talk about al-Mihdhar. But the CIA does not hand over critical information to the FBI. Again, the men are not placed on any watch list and a search for them is not initiated.

July
A Phoenix, Az.-based FBI counter-terrorism agent writes a lengthy memo in which he says it has been noticed that a high number of Arabs, possibly with connections to al Qaeda, are taking flying lessons in local flight schools. His memo is ignored by FBI headquarters.

August
President Bush receives a detailed and lengthy presidential daily briefing from the CIA in which Osama Bin Laden and al Qaeda’s aim of launching an attack against the US is discussed. To this day, the Bush White House refuses to release the contents of this briefing to Congressional inquiries into 9/11.

The CIA finally puts al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar’s name on the watch lists. By then it is too late. The FBI and CIA do a limited search for the men.

Sept. 11/2001
The attack occurs. The morning of the attack George Bush Sr. is meets with members of the Carlyle Group in Washington. Bin Laden's own brother is at the meeting. Members of the Bin Laden family are allowed to leave the U.S. without questioning two days later.
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Bush, King Al-Saud, KSA, & Islam

"In April, when President Bush hosted then-Crown Prince, now King Abdullah, in Crawford, Texas, the two leaders set out bold plans to reinvigorate the strong friendship between the two nations. Key among these goals was to increase the number of young Saudis who enjoyed the opportunity to study in the United States. The strong demand for visas to study in the United States is clear evidence of the success of this cooperative effort. Through December first of this year, the Embassy processed almost 7000 student visas for study in the United States while maintaining the highest level of security awareness in our processing procedures. This is compared to 647 student visas issued in all of 2004."

"In addition to the huge increase in demand for student visas, overall visa issuances to Saudi citizens increased from 16,004 in 2004 to 27,657 in 2005."

http://riyadh.usembassy.gov/saudi-arabia/Visa_Issues_headline.html

Internal enemies before external enemies.
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The only way to get politicians who will represent the average working and middle class citizen is to pass 5 U.S. Constitutional Amendments:

#1. Balanced Trade: every country who sells in the U.S. should buy equal amount of products from the U.S.A.

#2. Public Financing of All Political Elections:(Federal,State, County,City or Township) with no personal or outside contributions. (see www.just6.org )

#3 National Refererendum Vote: (for Federal, State, County, City, & Township)4 times a year where citizens can over ride The President, Congress, & The Supreme Court and any politician with a 2/3 majority!

#4 Environmental & Worker's Human Rights Amendment-Enforce all worker rights in a worldwide trading partner to unionize, have health and safety standards, human rights standards(including freedoms of religion, assembly, association, speech, press & all media,representation, property, equality, arms ownership), and enforce all world standards for environmental manufacturing and disposal of hazardous materials with loss of trade for non-compliance!

#5. No Child Or Adult shall be entitled to citizenship, or ownership of business, property, or financial assets until proven to be a legal resident alien or U.S. citizen or by being the child of at least one legal U.S. citizen or legal Resident Alien.

Until then we have Government Of The Rich, By The Rich & For The Rich ruining the U.S.A.

Here, in a nutshell, is why George Dubya Bush is a lying, hypocritical, sack-of-shit-dust:

"In April, when President Bush hosted then-Crown Prince, now King Abdullah, in Crawford, Texas, the two leaders set out bold plans to reinvigorate the strong friendship between the two nations. Key among these goals was to increase the number of young Saudis who enjoyed the opportunity to study in the United States. The strong demand for visas to study in the United States is clear evidence of the success of this cooperative effort. Through December first of this year, the Embassy processed almost 7000 student visas for study in the United States while maintaining the highest level of security awareness in our processing procedures. This is compared to 647 student visas issued in all of 2004."

Universal Soldier of Freedom,

You forgot some events in this timeline:

1973

Egypt & Saudi Arabia decide to implement the 'oil' weapon.

OPEC raises its crude oil prices after negotiations with the largest petroleum retailers break down.

Egypt & Syria attack Israel on Yom Kippur.

OPEC announces a boycott of all countries supporting (and including) Israel, thereby creating significant oil shortage in the United States, Western Europe, and Japan.

Emergency Petroluem Allocation Act is passed, introducing price controls on 'old' oil (already discovered), in the hopes of increasing domestic production.

1973-1979

Energy crisis begins.

Recession and inflation occur as a result of OPEC efforts.

Western retailers begin cooperating with other countries to ease crisis.

OPEC loses market share and increases production.

Energy crisis eases but is not erased.

1980

Jimmy Carter issues executive order prohibiting offshore drilling on the East and West coasts. Texas and Louisiana continue their offshore drilling.

Congress passes the Windfall Profits Tax, initially requiring any Western retailer to provide the Federal government any profits brought about by the OPEC embargo, but ultimately pertains to any perceivable windfall.

1981

Because of moratorium, increased OPEC cooperation, the Windfall Profits Tax, and the price per barrel, most domestic producers decrease or halt land-based drilling. Offshore remains in Texas & Louisiana because of refinery locations, permissibility, and shipping overlap.

1985-1986

OPEC decreases the price per barrel by 66%, creating a recession within the Western suppliers and causing most smaller companies to close or sell.

1988

Reagan repeals the Windfall Profits Tax, which fell short of its intended tax revenue by over $300 billion. No other repeal or assistance is provided.

1996

Clinton extends executive order on offshore drilling moratorium by 10 years, even though drilling historically makes up less than 1% of all oil spills worldwide.

2006

California pays $2.69 per gallon, which provides the following price breakdown:

$1.50 - Crude Cost
$0.55 - Refining Cost
$0.05 - Distribution Cost
$0.03 - Oil Profit
$0.56 - Taxes (Federal & State)
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$2.69 - TOTAL

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I'm not saying those connections aren't bad, but that anyone who wanted a career in the biz had to make them. I should know...my Dad had to make many deals just for us to get by, because we needed to eat & this was the job he knew as a PE.

How were any of these guys who knew NOTHING about Arabs, their language, culture, or religion supposed to do? I think most, if not all, fell for their taqiyyah. My Dad only began to fear towards the end...

Hope this provides everyone a nice, detailed history of how our government got this industry into this mess in the first place, and how they're really the ones who profit from it.

"Government is the REAL Big Business."

memo to Ynkeedoodle2:

You told me to "get my coat." Hmmm. Why would anyone in America be wearing a coat during the last week in May when the weather is hot?