It's all right. Some of them renounced violence, although only against the Egyptian state. Jihad activities against anything else are apparently A-OK.
Note the highly misleading lead paragraph to this AP story. From it one might reasonably gather that all 135, or however many there really are, signed statements renouncing violence in general. But then in the next paragraph we learn that only some of their leaders signed such statements, and only renounced violence against the Egyptian state.
"Egypt releases more than 100 Islamic extremists," from AP, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
About 135 Muslim extremists who spent more than a decade in Egyptian prisons have been released after signing statements renouncing violence, police officials said Monday.Egypt began releasing members of al-Jihad, which was formerly headed by al-Qaida's No. 2 Ayman Al-Zawahri, two weeks ago after some of their leaders agreed to renounce violence against the Egyptian state, officials said on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the media.
Al-Gamaa al-Islamiyya, which in Arabic means Islamic Group, and to a lesser extent al-Jihad, which means holy war, were responsible for a violent campaign against the Egyptian regime in the 1990s. Neither has been involved in attacks in Egypt since.
Both groups were accused of participating in the 1981 assassination of President Anwar al-Sadat.
Now all they need is some forged documents showing that they have been in the U.S. since before Jan 1 and they can be U.S. citizens.
Aloha Snackbar.
Quick, find some evidence that these guys have been blogging and "defaming" President Murbarak!
I give some of them (the "peaceful" ones) about six months to make it to America as "political refugees".
l would not be surprised if some claim to be Christian to get into a Western country. Egypt's export of terrorists should be dealth with no more money from the US or any other Western country.
The way the coalition forces have been decimating the terrorists leaders,,the terrorists felt the need for replacements....then called Egypt for a little help...
I bet some of them gonne end up in Iraq before too long. Egypt is cutting cost, so they let go off some nasty boys. We are clueless about Pakistanies. They release a whole spectrum of Jihadies every week. Our media says nothing.
Saudies are also doing the same. Breeding and releasing terrorists by the full load.
And I don't suppose our State department can figure out the difference between allowing Al-Gamaa al-Islamiyya and Zawahari followers as *refugees* and allowing, say, actual democratic reformists like Abdel Kareem, Muhammad al Sharqawi, Amir Gharbeia, Alaa Abdel Fattah, Reza Azlan, and bloggers like the Egypt Blog, Big Pharoah and of course Sandmonkey, should they ever be threatned with death for being honest about the incarnation of Lucifer called "modern Egypt".
Yeah, I know, complicated s**t isn't it.
Does Egypt have the same problem of prison overcrowding that the US has? Regardless, looks like the seeds are being sown for the ouster of the Mubarak regime. Does anybody seriously think the released Ikhwanites will focus their attention towards real Infidels, including Copts, while leaving the Cairo regime alone? Highly doubt it.
Nothing like more terminators coming back out of the barn.
Must be preparing for the big show coming up.
This plan worked real well for Anwar Sadat.
And gave us Al-Qaeda's "Number 2" maniac.
Shoot 'em when you catch 'em.
Let Allah sort 'em out.
Rice will want to bring them here.
The following link examines whether Leftist Awakenings seek to use cleansings to make culture changes irreversible by eliminating the physical embodiment of the older culture, and thus prevent a restoration as happened in England in the 17th century.
Kennedy Leftist Awakening: Irreversible Change by Immigration
The French Revolution, Nazi, Soviet, Maoist, and other self-proclaimed cultural revolutions were all known for their bloodiness. Did this reflect that what they learned from the restoration in England in the 17th century was that the way you prevent a restoration and the reverse of cultural change is to have a cleansing of the people who physically embody the old culture?
Is the 1960's Leftist Awakening using immigration in this way, to create irreversible cultural change? Was Mao's ethnic cleansing in the 1960's and other cleansings of the Left part of this "learning and tradecraft" of Leftist cultural revolutions?
Is the reason that they didn't stop Muslim immigration after 9-11, because the WTC was full of merchant class types who exhibit Greek City state values, hard work, street smarts, book smarts and respect for contracts is what is rewarded as opposed to a Rousseau like desire to see the fruits of their work go to others?
Does Ward Churchill reflect a sort of preference for Islam as a pure religion of the 3rd world that is not contaminated with Western Greek City state values? Is that why he said what he did? Is that why they called Virgil Goode a bigot? They want the pure 3rd world religion to come here and cleanse the merchant class Greek City state values that are a fundamental part of the West?
If one looks in the Talmud, one finds the Med world law of contracts for merchants which is very close to ours today in spirit if not detail. Is this what they hate? They want a pure religion of feeling that will oppose Western values derived from city states that traded and developed science and math around the Med?
Mubarak must be figuring that he's worse off with these guys in jail where the Islamist parties can portray them as martyrs. I just wonder how long it will be before Egypt falls under the rule of Islamists. Those are probably hudna or taqiyya pledges they made.
As it is, Egypt has gotten a lot of military aid from the US, but still considers Israel an enemy as evidenced by their educational curricula, media content and miltary maneuvers. The peace treaty with Israel is a formality covering the letter, but not the spirit of the agreement. That's the Peace of the Chumps.
Well, there's a quick & easy way to prevent their martyr status...hang them with a slab of bacon in their mouths, and don't forget to get a picture. That ends the issue immediately.
So Egypt is releasing a bunch of Jihadists because they’ve sworn loyalty to Egypt.
If any of these Jihadists are ever caught continuing the Jihad, we’ll know their loyalties and whom to hold accountable: Egypt.
Yeah, I realize I’m being naïve; our government is never going to hold Egypt accountable for anything.
Lame Cherry
This is building and will continue to build and the one mistake George Bush has made in all of this is he did not after invoking God for the glorious victories in Afghanistan and Iraq give any credit to God for the victory.
Regarding Iraq - What victory?
The fact is that Bush and Blair lied to their electorates about the danger of Iraq. In Bush's case it was the so-called link between Saddam's regime and Al'Queda (and how exactly are these 2 odd bedfellows ever likely to be in bed? Saddam was secular Arab who played the Muslim card when it suited him, Osama was a Salifist - they are poles apart) and therefore claiming that there was link between 9/11 and Saddam. In Blair's case it was over the WMD (and yes they existed in 1991, Hans Blix could not find them 10 years later) and how Sadddam was capable of using them within 45 minutes.
So are you really saying that God was cross that he was not honored over something that amounted to a minor military victory based on lies?
Iraq and Afghanistan are quagmires.
We will be there forever.
Sure, there might be the odd minor victory in terms of the capture or death of some insurgents.
But they can be replaced and it will continue forever.
Until there proper appreciation of the tyranny of Islam by Western leaders and they can name it without getting accused of Islamophobia in their own countries or are prepared to challenge that, nothing will really change.
I long to see a "get tough" with Islam policy throughout the West, we throwout any Muslim and deport those who are here and bomb the crap out of Islamic countries that mess with the West.
And we make sure that all ideological expression of it is challenged, all the time and that populations are educated as to what Islam really means. And I would like to see radio stations broadcasting truth into the Islamic world - attack their ideology.
And I dont give a s#@! if some Muslim is killed in their own country if we deport them there. My concerns is over fellow Western non-Muslims.
It is the same with the released supporters of terrorism against the Saudi government, by the Saudi government. Made much of by newspapers in the West, and even by the more credulous members of the American government (and being a rough-tough security agent, or member of the military, doesn't mean you cannot be hopelessly innocent and trusting and misconstruing when it comes to Islam, more than making up in your gross errors for your supposed rough-tough-boots-on-the-ground stuff.
The Egyptians have persuaded, or perhaps think they have persuaded, the people they have released not to attack Mubarak and his Family-and-Friends regime. The Saudis have persuaded, or perhaps they think they have persuaded, the people they have released not to attack the Al-Saud as they rob the country not blind -- there is so much left over even after the Al-Saud are through with it -- but at least rendered it grossly near-sighted.
They have simply used the arguments of Islamic scholars to attack the notion of takfir, when applied to the local rulers. It is still perfectly okay, perfectly fine in fact, to go after Infidels. They are still a target, they are still to be attacked and killed.
Nothing here for Infidels.
From a commentby ZenaWarriorPrincess
"l would not be surprised if some claim to be Christian to get into a Western country. Egypt's export of terrorists should be dealth with no more money from the US or any other Western country."
Zena:
It is Copts (Native Egyptian Christians
) who can not get into the US. Muslim fanatics have no such problems.
UK infidel lover: The fact is that Bush and Blair lied to their electorates about the danger of Iraq.
If you have evidence of that crime, present your evidence. If you have evidence of such a monsterous crime, did you report it to the authorities? Otherwise you are just presenting liberal talking points. Opinion stated as fact.
There are political forums to vent Bushhate.
I wonder if the amnesty includes Christians who converted from Islam? Or are they considered to dangerous to let go.
UK infidel lover: The fact is that Bush and Blair lied to their electorates about the danger of Iraq.
It doesn't do anyone any good to blame Bush and Blair for what is going on in Iraq/Afghanistan. This was started by raving crazy maniacs (Islamic narciastic people). We just went after them over there so the dogs want kill us here. We got them here but surely not like in Middle East. Give Bush and Blair credit for standing up to the them.
Bush said from the git go....we in for a long haul, a war like no other.
This war will be with troops and us also..we have to be the ears , eyes and nose....smell them! No time for See no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil. If you see somehting that is amiss..don't be afraid to let authorites know...even if we are wrong sometimes. Best to be safe then sorry.
I dont' have no trust in any Muslim's...so I watch my surroundings. Those supposedly peaceful one who works..I am sure part of their money supports the terrorists.
Remember, they can shake your hands with their right hand and smile....and with their left, cut your throat.
Signing documents renouncing violence ?
It could be just a written lie, that is all. The prophet is their perfect example in this regard.
Egypt has lost its beautiful civilisation to the Arab marauders, and now it is well on its way to losing its very soul.
duh_swami:
If you have evidence of that crime, present your evidence. If you have evidence of such a monsterous crime, did you report it to the authorities?
It is already known. See here
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A50679-2004Jun17.html
And see here on the WhiteHouse site
www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030131-23.html
where we see
Q One question for you both. Do you believe that there is a link between Saddam Hussein, a direct link, and the men who attacked on September the 11th?
THE PRESIDENT: I can't make that claim.
Otherwise you are just presenting liberal talking points. Opinion stated as fact.
Not at all. Get your facts right. It was President Bush that claimed that link (just his opinion rather than fact). He has never presented evidence to substantiate that link. And on the Whitehouse's on web site, he admits it. There is no hard evidence, at all, and never has been, that Al'Queda was ever operationally being supported by Saddam Hussein's regime
But lets be clear here
- I am not a Bush hater, far from it.
- And I am not a liberal, far from it.
The whole Iraq episode has been a massive sidetrack, a monumental error to dealing with the real problem - Islam's long term assault on the West. It is that issue that I wish President Bush and the rest of the West addressed. Much time has been wasted. And the net result of the Iraq adventure is to blur the West's focus on the real enemy.
I am sorry, but in the long run, when historians mull over Bush's Presidency, they will conclude that he misidentified the West's enemies in the World. Iraq was never a real problem. Saudi Arabia is a bigger current enemy of the USA than Iraq has ever been. And the same goes for the rest of the West's leaders - they failed, completely failed, to identify who the real enemy was and is.
You must surely have read Hugh's posts?
Cher:
It doesn't do anyone any good to blame Bush and Blair for what is going on in Iraq/Afghanistan.
Fair enough Cher. There is not a single leader in the world that has never made a mistake on policy. I will give you that.
But right now, the evidence is, there is not one single Western leader that shows understanding that the problem with Islam is a direct result of Muhammads teachings in the Quran, the Hadith, the Sira.
I ask you, "How can Bush lead, correctly, if he does not understand this?". "How can he wage a war, for the long term, if he does not understand who the enemies are?"
And the most major part of this war, is ideological, not physical (but we do need soldiers). And right now, the West is not winning here. The West's leaders do not understand the ideological war. They have never given an sign of understanding here.
Surely America remembers that Communists used propaganda? Cant it recognise Muslim's propaganda from the same smell?
I would like to see
- A complete ban and freeze of money being given to Islamic countries
- A complete ban and freeze of students/immigrants from Islamic countries unless there is cast iron proof that they are not Muslim.
- Withdrawal of all troops from Iraq
- Deportation of any non-indigeneous Muslims
- Freeze on all Mosque building, Islamic centres, Islamic bookshops.
It may be necessary to cultivate economic ties with non-OIC countries that are Oil producers.