France's Royal: Vote for me, or the Muslims will riot

This is very interesting, maybe a first in a free country: An overt threat of violence if the voters don't behave. Are the socialists pulling the Islamists' strings or the other way around?

If Royal's prediction comes to pass then it will
show all of France just how ugly the peaceful ones and their fellow travellers are. Perhaps such violence will cleanse the nation of such filth at long last.

This was the classic fascist technique in the '20's and '30's. Start punch ups and riots on the streets then put yourself forward as the only party that can restore order.

What a shi'itehead politician.

So desperate to win, she'll say anything. Ominous undertones. I wonder if she understand the significance of her utterances or is just throwing out there whatever comes to mind.

Can anyone recall a statement that more clearly demonstrates a western politician's unfitness to be their country's leader? We'll, maybe Chamberlain's 'Peace in our time', but apart from that?

One can only hope the French people elect someone who insists on respect for the law from all their citizens.

This woman makes me sick. I hope Sarkozy wins, and there ARE riots - because as "Islamsfor Losers" just said, "perhaps such violence will cleanse the nation of such filth at long last."

These are the words of someone who knows she is trailing badly in the polls just two days before election day.

Nice of her to INCITE and invite Muslims to riot if she's not elected.

Sickening.

"Choosing Nicolas Sarkozy would be a dangerous choice," Royal told RTL radio.

Yes, you are right.
But choosing you may bankrupt France.
None of your economic proposals will cure France's economic malaise.

Well we will know Sunday.
She could be out on her ear.
And if Sarkozy wins, times will be interesting. Lets see what he does with all the no-go areas in France. See
http://i.ville.gouv.fr/divbib/doc/chercherZUS.htm

Royal's in a great position-either way she wins.

I'm not sure if her statement is a threat or a promise-either way, France will be in for some rocky times.

nutz! They have now given our democrat politicians some ideas.

For the faint of heart - fear the muslims.

If you are a coward, then install special wash facilities for muslims, dont publish Mohammed cartoons, dont dare bring up certain topics, like what's in the koran.

These jihadis live by intimidation, seek to make us all afraid, crave to kill us, crave to enslave their women,crave to control all thought in their camp (like the Dems), hate free education,hate enterprise, hate self improvement, hate us for seeking some these things.

Scratch a socialist, find a totalitarian. Scratch a jihadi - you dont even have to scratch.

The only good jihadi (except for the ones singing),is a dead one.

She's right, of course. But how will the French government react when it happens: More outreach programs? more talk about combating discrimination against Muslims? More promises of jobs and welfare benifits?

Or will it do what should have done long ago: crush them with unrestrained brutality, and expel the rest from France.

These people aren't French, and have no intention of being French.

"Pressed on whether there would be actual violence, Royal said: "I think so, I think so," referring specifically to France's volatile suburbs hit by widespread rioting in 2005."

Something tells me she doesn't live near those suburbs.

Despite her obvious charm, Royal must -- for delivering this atrocious warning alone -- be voted against. What France needs right now is a strong man, a hint of Bonapartism.

Yes, she's charming. Une femme est une femme, mais un caporal...

A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke..

My thought is that either way she is right:

If she wins, riots will only be postponed until later in her term (or someone elses); and then the backlash against moslems will be even more severe.

If Sarkozy wins and there are riots, then you can bet on a backlash now.

Bon Chance a tout!

It's disgraceful that a politician would use threats of moslem violence to get votes. It will be even more disgraceful if the voters listen to her and take the threats seriously. If moslems are allowed to influence politics to that degree when they are in the minority, what can we expect when they become the majority ?

I hope she loses, and I hope the moslems do riot in the streets. The more they show their true colours, the more people will turn against them.

But of course we are talking about France here....

So car-b-ques every night isn't violence?

Can anyone recall a statement that more clearly demonstrates a western politician's unfitness to be their country's leader? We'll, maybe Chamberlain's 'Peace in our time', but apart from that?
veil416

Yep, sure can. Nixon used the phrase 'Peace with honor' when asked when the US would leave Vietnam, and you see how ignorant that was. I heard some politico use the term 'domino theory' in regards to Iraq as well.

We are so screwed!

Yes, Silvester, but if the line is Englished, the allusion I set up, with the previous mention of Bonapartism, to le Petit Caporal, a different thing from Caporals, is lost.

Yea sure Hugh, do you think our next Prez, Hillary, will get along with Royal? But as neither one smokes there may be some friction. I'm sure that Hillery knows about Cigars...

Typical tactic used by a typical leftist politician. She must be pretty desperate if you ask me. Also, sounds like she is trying to enciting a riot! Heaven forbid, we wouldn't want to upset the Islamos who are on the government hand out roles, would we?

A woman is a woman, but a Peugeot is a bonfire

Hugh, I was just being silly.

With LePen out this election has become a case of pick your poison. On one hand you have Royal who wants to appease french muslims. And on the other Sarkozy who wants to appeal muslims abroad by stating he will make Chechnya a priority. I could care less who wins this election.

As someone who lived in France for several years, married there and had kids there, and paid attention to politics there, I can see that nothing has changed in the Socialists playbook since the 80's, at least.

The socialists do not control the immigrants (and lots of other violence-prone native-born French too, by the way, who are chronically unemployed). But, they will encourage them to create havoc, by making it clear that they and their friends in the press will cover their backs. At the same time, the labor and public service unions, who are tightly controlled by communists and socialists, and who represent probably 50% of the workforce, will orchestrate massive marches and work stoppages, at the slightest pretext. Students will close the universities. The country will appear to be sliding towards anarchy. At least, that's the plan. And it has worked before. Then Sarko will be painted as a fascist if he makes the slightest move to react to the violence with force (read: CRS, maybe army).

Sarko is probably the brightest and most courageous president that France has had since De Gaulle (assuming he wins, which seems likely), so he knows damn well what awaits him. I am anxious to see how he deals with it. Don't expect him to make many moves to change the economy or the workplace right away, he knows there is an ambush waiting. And he will need to keep a pretext of anti-Americanism, to avoid the trap tof being labelled Anglo-Saxon (one of the gravest insults to the French).

The left, twas ever thus. They are so absolutely convinced of their right to govern and to dictate to the people, that they will stop at absolutely nothing, even inciting riots. When deaths ensue, as they will, even if only a few, the cry will go up, "Sarko, fascist!".

Groundhog day has nothing on French politics.

I believe the cigar got us into trouble in the first place. and THAT WOMAN! Rather Mr.Clinton himself! He enjoyed all the creme of the crop and screwed everyone over. I do believe Burger helped him by removing the files. Clinton and Hillary lie like a wet Asian rug! France is adding fruel to the fire!

l hope that Segolene Royal is right about muslims rioting if Sarkozy is elected. with Sarkozy as president, he can mobilize the French people and take down those islamists, throw out the rest.
if it gets bad enough, maybe the French will find their courage again and retake their country.
Royal is a typical liberal giving out warnings to all who will vote for Sarkozy. you have the same thing happening with Republicans getting into office, somehow you are warned that that small security cheque will be stopped, etc.
The French voted no on the EU constitution, the people know what is good for their country, and it does not include islam.

I don't see how anyone would be shocked by this act of desperation...it's a desperate gasp of socialists screaming how the sky will fall if they don't win (algore & his kook brigade is using this for their own agenda...but that's another subject entirely)

Echoing the same style of talking points as the islamofascists did with the US election isn't the wisest plan in the world...but hey, it worked to some degree here.

As per Glenn Becks tshirt sarcasm:
"WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!"
lol

France must choose between the Royal frying pan or the Sarkozy (or is it sarcoma?) fire.

Either way, they cooked.

Slowly or a more quickly.

I see no sign of any politicians who say:
France for the French! Immigrants can go home now. We will pay their fares. Thank you for visiting. Come again when you can behave.

Zena, I think it will hinge on the dynamics involving islamists, university students, and unions. The students will side with the islamists, that is for sure. The unions? Their heart will say side with the islamists in order to screw over the new president, but their heads just might say otherwise. I really do not know. If the unions (public service, rail, labor) start striking left and right, all bets are off. It is certainly going to be interesting.

But, one cannot overstate the stupidity of the Royal remarks about violence. We all know it may be true, but throwing gas on the fire is incredibly irresponsible. One would almost think she was a socialist. Oh, wait ...

Riot bitch!!!! then let the games begin!!!

The Muslims are going to riot no matter the frog in charge and Royal knows it just like the Clintons knew 9 11 was coming and their people allowed it to happen to show embarrass George Bush in a globalist doctrine.

As for Royal, the communists are really having a time of it as of late. Tony Blair is on the road out with a bully boy to replace him who can not lead. Olmert is having a girly communist trying to oust him and Royal is blowing it big time on issues thinking she can change her mind on nail polish color like issues.
All of this global leftist slant is a huge problem for Dame Hillary, since the world seems to not love the trend of Frau Merkel to implant Hillary in the Ovalry Office.

Correctly, Je veux une fille juste comme la fille qui a épousé le cher vieux papa und ich wünsche einen führer, der mehr als tun kann, mich beschwere in zwei sprachen über ihr haar.

She's gonna lose. She is finito. And Sarko will crack down on the rioters big time.

Where does it mention "muslims"??

I fear that unlike his promises, Sarkozy is going to do nothing at all relating those Muslim idiots (except for sending the riot police after them, of course). But I still want him to win, because after all, that socialist will also do nothing with the problem AND ruin the French economy.

Provided that the French economy isn't already completely ruined because of politically motivated protectionist measures.

Segolene is a royal pain in the palace!

See, it isn't always the rightists who fear-monger.

Oh, okay, mon capitaine.

Where does it mention "muslims"??
Posted by: KAOSKTRL

referring specifically to France's volatile suburbs hit by widespread rioting in 2005.

Maybe your new to NewSpeak but any time the media mentions "Youths", "troubled youths", "Asians" or "rioting" along with "suburbs" they generally mean Muslims.

Maybe someday it will come here. Truth be told, I'm itchin for a fight. Sounds like some of you may be too.

They're far less likely to pull that here in the US.
We shoot back.

Yes, she's charming. Une femme est une femme, mais un caporal...
Posted by: Hugh

Oh come on Hugh....this woman makes me sick.

Thank God the era of Chirac is almost over.

Thank God Sarkozy will be elected on Sunday, and....

Thank God Sarkozy is pro-American. Hopefully we can restore relations with France as we could use the European support, especially with Blair resigning next week. Although the German Prime Minister is pro-American and she turned out to be fairly weak.

Did they learn this from us or did we learn it from them? The dhimmicrats are pretty shallow. Stupidity catches on real fast! We shouldn't be reading this stuff. I mean I shouldn't excuse me!

Oh, Nicolas Sarkozy, you just have to win.

I think Sarkozy has this election. Polls might not be right all the time but when you have 100+ polls since January and every one says Sarkozy will beat her, I think she is cooked. The cry "the Muslims will riot" is her last gasp effort. It really shows desperation.

It usually all boils down to money. The link has government bond rates for various industrialized countries. Its interesting that the Wall Street boys deem western countries as three times as risky as Japan (is there a Mosque in Tokyo?). Lending money to the US is riskier than lending money to Europeans. Note how yields are going up and to the right for everybody since 2005.

http://www.bde.es/infoest/e0206e.pdf

Good article, as ever, from those boys at the Chronicles.

"To a woman asking him, in October 2005, if he would “get rid of this scum”—referring to North African Muslims causing havoc in predominantly immigrant suburbs—Sarkozy the Interior Minister replied with the words unutterable by any American politician: “Enough of this scum? Well, we’re going to get rid of them for you!” Around the same time he told Le Parisien, “When you fire bullets at police, you’re not a ‘youth,’ you’re a thug.” In a similar spirit he told Charlie Rose last January that “don’t want your wife to be examined by a male doctor, then you’re not welcome here.” On the eve of the first round of voting on April 22 he reiterated, “If living in France bothers some people, they should feel free to leave the country."

Fine words from the guy. And note that there's not a politician in the states who'd DARE say the same thing. He'd be pilloried. Or maybe even Hillaryed

http://www.chroniclesmagazine.org/cgi-bin/newsviews.cgi/Old%20Europe/Frances_Fateful_Cho.html?seemore=y

pez-

Not only are there at least 7 mosques in Tokyo, but Hitoshi Igarashi, the Japanese translator of Salman Rushdie's novel "The Satanic Verses" (that made fun of Mohammad's 'literary' hypocrisy) was stabbed to death in his Tsukuba university office by a Muslim jihadist.

Their "religion" is burrowing into the naive Nipponese.

And no "kamikazi" is going to stop them.

(Having stolen that trick.)

'Yes, she's charming.'
Posted by: Hugh

"Oh come on Hugh....this woman makes me sick." --bonnlea

No, Hugh is right, she is charming. In fact she's quite beautiful and articulate. Still wrong-headed though.

I actually watched quite a bit of this last debate between Sarkozy and Royal earlier tonight. They carried it on C-Span and I stumbled on it by accident. The translating was spotty but I imagine that would be a tough job as the two interrupted each other frequently and were often talking at the same time.

Unfortunately I missed the part about immigration and Royal's take on the prospect of more rioting "youths" if Sarkozy is elected. Instead I watched them bicker back and forth for about half and hour over the 35 hour work week.

Notice how the author, Kerstin Gehmlich, for Reuters, reports on this story, labeling Sarkozy a "right-winger"
"PARIS (Reuters) - Socialist opponent Segolene Royal said on Friday that France risks violence and brutality if her opponent right-winger Nicolas Sarkozy..." Needless to say, Royal is not labeled a "left-winger". Typical media handiwork.

There will certainly be more "violence and brutality" in France no matter who is elected this coming Sunday. The real issue is whether to face the conflict sooner, while the French have any real strength left at all, or later when France may well lose the fight. The future of France is at stake, and Sarkozy is their best hope in my opinion. If the French elect Royal then they've given up on France.

C-Span says that they will carry results of the election as they come in, starting at 2pm this Sunday.

O blessed Jeanne d'Arc and Martin of Tours - both of you soldiers - St Michael, Blessed Saint Louis, blessed St Denis, and St Jude patron of Lost Causes, and blessed Bernadette, fiery John Calvin and Huguenot martyrs, Blaise Pascal, Brother Roger of Taize, and Jacques Ellul stirrer and prophet, and Charles de Foucauld, all ye saints, martyrs and confessors of France...pray for the deliverance of la belle France from the followers of Mohammed.

Royal's remark reminds me of something that was said a while back in the UK - Muslims hinting that Blair should change his foreign policy or something might happen. Veiled threat - 'if you don't do what WE say, we'll turn loose the rioters/ bombers/ whatever'. Here it's the dhimmi politician anticipating her Muslim masters, passing on the threat to the French public - that if they vote for someone the Muslims don't like, they'll be punished by Muslim violence. That's appalling.

The correct answer should be - STFU, if they riot we'll call in the water cannons - or whatever else is necessary, up to and including use of firearms, to get them off the streets and into the lockup.

Thanks profitsbeard. That's disturbing.

Here's some better numbers; looking forward to the show:

Oddsmakers see an increasing likelihood of a Sarkozy victory. He's now a 1-12 favorite at London-based Ladbrokes Plc, the world's largest publicly traded gaming group, compared with 1-7 yesterday. Royal is a 6-1 underdog there, down from 4-1. A winning $120 bet on Sarkozy would produce a $10 profit and a similar wager on Royal would yield $720.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001&refer=worldwide&sid=a6WMDFxLLtTQ

What's wrong with this woman? Why does she want to empower the muslim population? Hey - maybe she owns stock in Hermes (head scarf division)....I always say....Follow the money

minority of one: "I think it will hinge on the dynamics involving islamists, university students, and unions. The students will side with the islamists, that is for sure."

What is odd about the alliance between leftist university students and Muslims, is that after the French riots the French government tried to rectify the apparent barriers to Muslim employment by (IIRC) reducing the amount of time a worker was ensured a job before being let-go. The leftist students rioted in reaction to this proposal, because it created less job security for them. So how could they see Muslims as on the same side?

I guess no one wants to work in France? Is that the bottom line? Both Muslims and leftists just want the state to provide for all of them without them having to work at all? And they're both willing to use violence to back up that mutual goal? Why is Australia, rather than France, called Oz?

(This thread just reminded me of the former poster from France with the great handle Joiesauvage. I wonder what happened to her...)

Sounds like a typical female response to me, she must be friends with my ex wife...
Seriously, what a sad individual Ms. Royal must be to say such rubbish. At least she displayed her "true" self BEFORE the election, not many politicians give the common people such truth...

"It is my responsibility today to alert people to the risk of (his) candidature with regards to the violence and brutality that would be unleashed in the country (if he won)," she said."

It is also your responsibility to clarify for people that in a western democracy, we don't tolerate the idea that violence is an acceptable way of expressing one's voice in the political forum. The fact that you apparently don't understand that but instead, cynically exploit that threat of violence to enhance your own candidacy, demonstrates that you are not fit for any public office in any western democracy. Rather, you are fit to be the wife of a man who uses violence to keep you in your place.

Caroline: "The leftist students rioted in reaction to this proposal, because it created less job security for them. So how could they see Muslims as on the same side?"

I do not see a link between the attempted employment reforms you mentioned and unemployed muslims, in particular. Nor do I expect that the students would have seen such a link. Those reforms were, I believe, aimed at getting young people of any background into the workforce. As you correctly pointed out, the left and extreme left students would see such proposals as an attact on "les acquis sociaux", already acquired social rights (to an almost guaranteed job security, if you can get a job to begin with). As a rule, the students will react to any move of any type to loosen up the economy and enhance competition, in other words, any move towards classical liberalism, and away from enhanced socialism and state control.

They would side with radical muslims against Sarko becasue they would be allies in destablilizing his presidency. Since 1968, every generation of students has had to take its kick at a non-socialist government, it's like a right of passage.

Leftists everywhere, it seems, don't recognize radical islam as a danger, rather, they seem to think the islamists are just another "oppressed group" fighting for their rights against "the system".

Interesting lnk, via Ms Malkin: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1752195.ece

minority of one: "I do not see a link between the attempted employment reforms you mentioned and unemployed muslims, in particular."

This was an article by Theodore Dalrymple that pointed out the connection at the time of the leftist riots:

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2006-03-17td.html

Rebonjour Caroline,

Thanks for the link to the Dalrymple article. I think it is going to be very interesting to see how the alliances shake out. I have been reading lefigaro.fr today. 300 cars burned within Paris last night (not sure if that is particularly high!) and apparently, according to radiofrance.fr (France Inter) there is a strong security presence in Paris at present, including helicopters with thermal sensors to track human movements at night. Le Figaro also reports that several subway stations have been locked down. I am not sure if all that is typical for a presidential election or not. Also, there is an amazing turnout for the election, possibly over 80%. That is important, because, if Sarko gets above, say, 53% of the vote, which seems likely, it will be difficult for the nutters on the left and extreme left to argue that he lacks a democratic mandate for major change (a favorite tactic of theirs). Although, they probably will anyway. Look for the Socialists and the Communists and the CGT (big commie trade union) to stoke the fires of violence tonight with dire warnings of how the "fascist" Sarko is planning to destroy liberties, yada, yada ... I am going to play a drinking game wherein I take a glass of St-Émilion every time a socialist flak says that the election results are "unjust" (injuste). I swear that about 16 years ago the socialists took a severe spanking in legislative elections, and their flaks came on TV and kept saying that the results were unjust and that they "didn't deserve to be beaten so badly" (on n'a pas mérité ça!). They really just have trouble understanding that the people can possibly disagree with them. Cognitive dissonance or something.

Today the French have decided to take their country back from the brink. The French must know they do not have much time to reverse current trends or it will be too late. In 20-30 years Paris will look like Lebanon if they do not act now. Seems I may be right about history repeating itself. If Sarkozy is the Nationalist he is touted to be it is a dark day for Islam in France. We here in America and England need to take Frances lead on this. Resolidify old alliances. Together we can put an end to this idea of Islamic dominance. Then and only then can we the west proceed into this millenium. Untill then we will be stuck in a war first fought in at the beginning of the first millenium. Time to put an end to this once and for all.

Looks like the 'youths' are rioting again - in response to Royal's appeal. She might want to respond by reciting the Shehada, donning a jilbab and moving to Algeria - she really owes them. She could repay them by being their proverbial tilth.

This time, hopefully, Sarkozy will expel all the youths, including his opponent.

Tonight's MSNBC report included the following:

"The protesters did not appear to belong to any single group that could be identified. One carried a black anarchist flag."

It did not even occur to this reporter that it may have been the black flag of jihad.

And this:

"Clashes in Bastille Square
Indeed, within hours of Sarkozy's victory, youths clashed with police in Paris's Bastille Square and security forces fired tear gas at a crowd of several hundred protesters."

The "youths" are back! Ah, to be young again....

"Dozens of youths threw bottles, stones and other missiles at police who responded with repeated rounds of tear gas and at least one burst of water cannon in the square, which is associated with leftist protests."

The reporter is doing his/her best to assure us that Islam is not involved. Somehow this has the opposite effect on me, making me even more suspicious, especially with mention of the "black anarchist flag" a few words later.

From the same report/reporter:

"Sarkozy — a charismatic but divisive figure known for uncompromising, even brutal language — inherits from Jacques Chirac stagnant wages, a lagging economy and frustration in impoverished, immigrant-heavy suburbs."

More typical media handiwork.

"Sarkozy — for whom the presidency has been a near-lifelong quest — is also certain to face resistance to his plans to make the French work more and make it easier for companies to hire and fire."

and stil more crap. sorry i'm spamming this thread but it's not too active any more and I'm needing to vent over this type of crap journalism, or what passes for journalism these days. Thank god the French were able to see through this kind of smear.

Segulene, on the other hand, is given the Royal treatment:

"Royal, 53, is a former environment minister who believes France must keep its welfare protections strong. She wanted to raise the minimum wage, create 500,000 state-funded starter jobs for youths and build 120,000 subsidized housing units a year."

All of the foregoing, courtesy of:

"Reuters and The Associated Press contributed to this report."

She just as well have said "vote for me and nobody gets hurt." The French saw right through it, too.
Better late than never.

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