French, Spanish secret services: Cannabis profits fund jihad

"according to a joint investigation"

heh

Oh, my. I didn't catch that!

That's hilarious.

Destroy their markets. Make the growing of cannabis legal in the United States (isn't it already in Canada?) and flood the European markets, with the cheapest possible product. Make it a government-funded enterprise. It is more important to cut out their funding, any way one can, than to continue to ban the growing of marijuana, and waste police, lawyers, judges on the whole business. Let the price be driven down that no one can profit from it commercially, and as for those who grow it for themselves and their friends -- just let it go.

Grow your own!

The Euro-potheads are too stoned to care. Pot softens up the brain so much you don’t care if the Islamics will rule one day. This is very real factor for those nations that legalize pot and other drugs. They soften up society so the Jihad can go in for the kill via unbridled immigration and demographic warfare. Notice that these European nations with de facto legalized pot have minimal militaries with gays in whatever pathetic military that remains. Gays are OK but must be very careful of them in the military. Sorry.

Oh no!

Et tu, Brujo.

"French terrorism expert Dominique Thomas said the link between drug dealing and Islamic terrorism was not new: "

...hmmmm, Afghanistan does have terrorists and opium....

"Clamping down" is why it's cheaper and easier to smuggle the stuff in from a third-world warzone thousands of miles away than it would be to just grow it domestically. Want to end this problem? Legalize the stuff so you can regulate quality and nation of origin. Want to exacerbate the problem? "Clamp down".

Prohibition funds and fuels terrorism.

Like most 'experts' and 'researchers' they are telling us things that we knew anyway.
I remember having a conversation with a cannabis-smoking hippy back in 1981 telling him that his habit was funding terrorism, namely that of the PLO.

Memo to Bill "I didn't inhale" Clinton and Dumbya: Have you POLOticians figured out that legalization of a friggin' *weed* already would go a long way to defunding these terrorists south of our border as well?

Like someone said above: grow your own.

That way you know it's free of additives and other unhealthy substances.

Since they can't tax what people can grow on their own the guvmint has very little initiative to legalize.

I grew tomatoes, string beans, soy beans, radishes and spinach on my roof top in New York and I ate practically free for several summers all while depriving big agri-business and our money-addicted guvmint of funds ;-)

My motivation was mainly the enjoyment of raising food and to eat food that wasn't compromised by genetic engineering and chemicals. Plus why eat bland tomatoes from Holland or Chile when I can grow tasty ones upstairs?

Anyway.. there are plenty of people who have a green thumb who'd love to deprive terrorists of income while providing a healthier alternative to the smoking population.

Then there is the billions wasted in law enforcement which needs to be spent on securing the borders and our infrastructure.

But hey, logic and what's good for the Nation doesn't concern these POLOticians a whole lot now, does it?

Want to end this problem? Legalize the stuff .....

That's plain stupid. Western societies are soft enough. The Jihadists would love to see pot legalized then all drugs legalized. As Steve Sailer said- "Libertarianism is applied autism"

As the old Bumper Sticker once put it:

SUPPORT THE MAFIA- KEEP DRUGS ILLEGAL.

Worked then; works now.

Whatever a government fails to control, criminals will.

This is a medical problem, not a legal problem.

The more any illicit substance costs, the more it enticies thugs and encourages parallel illegalities to flourish along with it. (A generalized contempt for the government that can be exploited by terrorists to smuggle in other things.)

And the more something like hashish, opium, cocaine, heroin, etc. remain in the hands of terrorists, the more chance of them poisoning the supply (trace radioactive materials added could be killing Europeans slowly as a way to speed up the demographic onslaught of the EU by Islam).

I prefer Fume Blanc and Pinot Noir, but, whatever someone wants to ingest, keep it safe, keep it controlled (taxed, etc.) and keep it from funding our Civilization's enemies (whether the Mob or the Jihad).

A friend of ours is a chaplain at a prison in a neighboring city, and he told us that most, if not all, of the guys in prison use drugs -- pot being the most widely used. Is there a connection between drug use and crime? Yep.

Legalizing pot is not the answer -- getting sober is.

dennisw,

Please remember that most drugs were legalized and used once. The general poplulation did not do these "legal" drugs. Our culture was different. People were stronger and didn't have time to sit around smoking dope and eating ice cream. Somehow, it seems use seems to go up when a substance becomes illegal. I personally don't buy the arguement that our enemy wants us all to be stoned so that they can take over. Europe is in the mess they are in because they are socialistic and have allowed and cowtowed to Muslims, not because they are all stoned.

If someone wants to smoke a joint, they will find a way to do so, legal or not. If someone wants to ruin their life and stay stoned 24/7, hey, it's a free country. Personaly, I know many serious and responsible people who get stoned once or twice a week. I don't, but if legal I probably would partake now and then. Right now, I just have too many other fun things to do like comment on Dhimmi watch.

Destroy their markets. Make the growing of cannabis legal in the United States (isn't it already in Canada?) and flood the European markets, with the cheapest possible product.

Posted by Hugh

I agree you, Hugh, but Dennisw also has a point about the dumbing down effects that this drug, and other forms of degenerate behaviour, have on our society.

And yes, we've made some changes to the law in Canada, but we haven't totally legalized it. It's been decriminalized for "simple possession" but not for possession for the purpose of trafficking. Simple possession is still a regulatory offence, punishable by a fine (or in some cases perhaps, a jail term) only one doesn't get a criminal record in that case now.

For the time being, pending the results of serious medical research, Cannabis ought to be placed in the category of a controlled substance,like tobacco but it should be noted that it is increasingly suspect of causing side effects like memory loss and apathy, these results however, might be no more significant than those caused by Alchohol, which of course is well known to be a cause of many diseases of the liver as well as cancers. On the other hand, considerting that the common intake method (drawing the smoke into the lungs) I, as a layman, would think that it cannot be much less unhealthy than the same practice when the substance is cigarette tobacco. However, in the present state of affairs, with no quality control standards or accountability mechanisms for producers to be held to (owing to the fact that its an illegal, underground product) there's the added risk to the consumer of all sorts of impurities and contaminants.

Taking all of this into account, I'd say any attempt legalize and regulate it ought to encourage its conversion into a product that's consumed by way of a more "natural" method, such as a chewing gum or some edible form that can provide the same stimulant effect but by way of a pathway for which the body has proper physiological receptors.

Dennisw:

You do have a point, but the weakness in your argument is that the same can be said of many other products, most notably alcohol, as well as a great many other destructive behaviours ranging from casual or recreational sex to gambling, or just about anything else that's sensual and/or addictive, but you just can't outlaw everything. Consider the history of "prohibtion" that we tried concurrently in both Canada and the U.S. in the 1920's. It accomplished nothing, probably only making the rates of alchoholism, and crime, worse. (For that matter, the problem of cultural decay that the West is undergoing has roots in many other factors besides the use of substances).

Human beings have a built in, instinctive craving for stimulation. The solution to this is to manage it through a combination of various policies, treating it as a public health, socio-cultural and yes, in some ways, a legal and law enforcement issue. But the one dimensional emphasis on repression and law enforcement that the U.S. is still hung up on will never work. There are some drawbacks to any policy but the war on drugs has been an unmitigated disaster and most of the world is now turning away from it for very good reasons. On the whole, the best interests of the U.S. and its people would be served if it did the same.

Of course,none here need be reminded that criminal prohibition of narcotics is big business for certain government agencies. What is required from an authoritative standpoint,are individuals of superior character (and some measure of ideological revision regarding our "business" relationships with those of the camp of islam,) to avoid chasing easy dollars/pounds and thereby, funding present and future chaos.

This must be the first step toward any meaningful policy change. Start the pebble rolling......

champ-

Let's outlaw alcohol then.

And tobacco and coffee and tea.

One of the czar's even banned beards.

And then we can forbid women from showing anything but their hands and faces.

Forcing the instincts underground makes them morbid, and this "illegal" sub-culture can then be exploited by more serious crooks, and worse, for their own ends.

A medical model would work more effectively.

Getting people off chemicals is easier when it is above board.

As long as there is a subterranean "drug" world, treatment, and an admission of any problem, remains that much harder to effect.

I'm a realist.

I could care less how people live (beards, coffee drinking, tobacco or grass, etc.), as long as it remains socially benign.

If it gets out of control, then the regular laws against mayhem, etc. apply.

What we do not control is de facto out of control.

And things being out of control breeds chaos, criminality and can fund our undermining by terrorist exploitation.

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

The "making illegal" of "victimless crimes" encourages contempt for the law, in general. And gives "bootleggers" power that should remain in the peoples' hands.

I smoke on occasion...would that make me a Libertarian/soft-headed apathetic liberal hippie?

The real issue is financially suffocating these SOBs into extinction. A nice side effect is more resources being targeted at harder drugs which DO NOT need legalization. Cut with the "Reefer Madness" garbage. If people are not responsible regarding their use of anything, there are always consequences. Nanny state laws are for herds and children who want their hands held, we need to be a nation self-accountable human beings - not a bunch of reckless monkeys.

Legalize the stuff and then enforce legal terms that makes a person so personally accountable that the worst thing they will want to do is drive a couch and murder a bag of chips when they smoke. There are lines you simply do not cross when you consume any mind altering chemical - alcohol included.

I won't get into all the things one should not do when either smoking or drinking but c'mon people - wake the f*ck up! Nuff said about weed - legalize the stuff, get over it and hit our enemies where ever it hurts them.

You don't see them financing jihad by running moonshine do you?

this is a big topic, but i am somewhat with Hugh and the other "liberals" (can i say that?) on this.
why not treat cannabis as just another tax-bearing drug, like alcohol and tobacco ?
let big business and government profit from it, not the terrorists.
even if we place the same user restrictions on it as for alcohol and tobacco eg no driving under the influence, we would still be freeing up the legal system to deal with more serious crime.
and there are many environmental reasons for growing hemp in place of cotton eg being less demanding of irrigation, containing its own insect-repelling chemicals. the web is full of stuff like this but see:

http://www.ecobodywear.com/mens/boardshorts.html

for some good points:
4 times stronger than cotton
Is the first vegetable fiber that was made into fabric.
The first pair of Levi's Jeans was made out of hemp.
Sails and ropes on all ships were made out of hemp until the 1900's.
The first American Flag was made out of hemp.The original draft of the constitution was on hemp.1 acre of hemp produces as much paper as 4 acres of trees.

sadly, as we should all know by now, this is not the worst criminal activity which funds terror. different strategies are needed to counter them, but from the trade in sex slaves and human organs down to tax evasion and fake goods, if you follow the money you will probably find a detour to terror somewhere along the road.

sadly, as we should all know by now, this is not the worst criminal activity which funds terror. different strategies are needed to counter them, but from the trade in sex slaves and human organs down to tax evasion and fake goods, if you follow the money you will probably find a detour to terror somewhere along the road.

Posted by M Al-Content

Thanks for that reminder. All of this is true.

And for that matter, what is the substance that, hands down, provides unquestionably the biggest share of Islamist terror financing?

Let me spell it out in no uncertain terms:

O - I - L

That's right, folks.

If the U.S. government really wants to defeat these guys, the way to do it is to ratify Kyoto, go green and get on with the development of alternative energy, already.

profitsbeard --

I can see your point about alcohol because abusing it is very destructive, but I don't see your point about coffee, tea or beards -- come on! With that said, I am not suggesting that we outlaw liquor either.

But legalizing pot is taking a step in the wrong direction as it pertains to the issue of "funding jihadists", and as another poster pointed out: "The Jihadists would love to see pot legalized then all drugs legalized."

So in the context of this particular headline, I am NOT in favor of legalizing pot now or ever.

crappy article that does not serve America.

perhaps this is true of Europe, however here in America we do not get canabis from the middle east. we get cannabis from America, north, central, and south.

just try geting rid of cannabis from somewhere other than California, in California and watch the customer laugh you out of business.

I grow my own medical cannabis.

the illegal aliens even move their crops grown on government land in California to other states to get rid of it.

when will we rid ourselves of Mexico's garbage.

when we consider the monies lost from not legalizing the largest crop in the USA, we the people are being forced into accepting the dictatorship of our government.

more than %50 of Americans think it should be legal and the rest are just brain dead followers of fashion(the blind).

medical research has proven the benefits of cannabis. why was it considered the be one of the safest drugs before the 20th century?

why is it illegal?
1. hemp clothes last longer than cotton.
2. Slavery was abolished and the government needed to regain control of the black population.
3. Mexico was finally making some money.

making alcohol illegal stopped all drinking.

making drugs illegal stopped all drug abuse.

making aliens illegal stopped all aliens from entering America.

what do you have to show for the $100 billion spent on the war on drugs? nothing but people in jail that we must support. instead of them working and helping support America.

anyone who speaks bad about cannabis is nothing more than a horse with blinders on.

read a little more tham propaganda from companies that benefit from illegal cannibis.

when cannabis is legal what happens to tobacco sales?

what happens to alcohol sales?

currently drug companies do not have a way to patent cannabis, so they will do anything in their power to keep it off the market, as there is no money to be made. the one company that has a cannabis product, http://www.gwpharm.com/ (sativex), has been forced to patented the delivery system, and extraction technique.

cannabis is illegal to provide profit for large corporations. not to protect the innocent. one gets a lessor sentance for rape, and murder than smoking a joint. where is the victim?

judges should go to jail for sentencing people for victimless crimes.

doggod -- if you knew that legalizing pot helped fund terrorism, then would you still be in favor of legalizing it? Please tell me you would say No!

Very interesting debate.

I'm not entirely convinced myself that legalization is the way to go. While I can appreciate the reasoning behind the idea that legal, domestic production would drive the price down, it seems to me that competition and the removal of legal pressures would drive the price down from any supplier.

And, even if the government regulated the distribution of marijuana, I wonder about several things:

Would the unregulated stuff still hold some allure? Would people stop buying it elsewhere just because they can get it here? (I'm thinking of cars, wines, diamonds, etc., where just because people can get domestically-produced ones, it doesn't stop them from buying imports.)

Once it's in the country, how would we tell the difference between legitimate and illegitimate marijuana? Wouldn't we have to continue spending money to stop the influx of non-domestic supplies (and the potential funds transfers to jihadists that could result), in addition to regulating the domestic supply?

Reefer Madness...
In the zeal to demonise all illegal drug use, many lies are told. The most blatant are about pot.
My daughter who was in the eighth grade, was told by a visiting drug expert, hired by the school to give an anti-drug lecture, that smoking cannibis was five times as likely to give one lung cancer, than smoking cigarretes. Since somewhere around three hundred thousand people a year die from tobacco related illnesses, there should be one million five hundred thousand people dying every year simply because they smoked pot. Where are all these cases?
M.Savage calls pot a deadly and lethal drug...same question Muchael. People have been smoking pot in the US since about the nineteen twentys. If it's lethal and deadly, there ought to be a huge pile of dead bodys somewhere. Can anyone tell me where they are located so I can go there and pay my respects.
Paul Harvey reports that because pot is twice as strong as it used to be, it causes schizophrenia.
Schizophrenia Paul? No one knew what caused schizophrenia untill now. Smoking pot does it.
What a revelation that is.
The advice not to smoke pot should primarily be directed to young people and children. If they catch you lying about it, they will not believe a word you say after that.

Cannibis can be refined to run all your car systems. It can be refined cheaply, and it is a small polluter. It also makes superior products like paper, cloth, rope, and medicine.
Bush (not the prez) should be legalized and everyone encouraged to grow it. Open fields, lot, flower pots ect. When your crop is big enough, you pull it up and take it to the recycle center, where they weigh it and pay you something for it.
Then they truck it to the various refineries where it is sold back to the public as the products mentioned above and more. Cannibis grows fast and almost anywhere. It could eliminate our use of fossil fuels, oil wars, and it could eliminate poverty for some people. In this way, citizens could participate directly in our own energy independance, and make a few bucks doing it.
The public whould just have to accept the idea that some people might smoke it. But since they are already smoking it, that is not a good argument.

We should fund the Islamists in a way that would encourage them to Smoke their own Hash. It might just Mellow them out. They could easily find the taste of Chocolate Chip Cookies and Milk more appealing than that of say, C-$ and Cordite.

There is always ROUND-UP if you prefer the other Policy direction.

Case in point is Europe. Just how passive can they get?

Europe could stand to lose their supply of Hash. They may just come down to Earth long enough to get a grip as to what is actually going on around them.

We could figure out how make Reefer into an aerosol form so we could Gas the Iraqis with it. Give them the worst case of Munchies so they can't possibly think of anything but finding something to eat.

I find those individuals who are absolutists concerning marijuana to be hypocrites of the highest order. They are the ones who enjoy a glass of wine or two or three with dinner.

Too often we hear of a murder after a day of serious alcohol consumption. How many people, high on pot, have argued over some trivial incident and killed someone? The only way to regulate pot is with a tax stamp.

Pot may/or may not cause lung cancer, but it definitely causes laziness and lethargy; and in some cases, paranoia. I witnessed first-hand the negative effects pot can have on my brothers life, so I have nothing NICE to say about it.

My now 50 year old brother went from smoking it on occasion as a teenager, to where he is today, taking bong hits every 1/2 hour, or eating those damn cookies/suckers so he can maintain a constant high.

It robbed me of my brother! And he was robbed of a wife and family. It can destroy your peace of mind too, because he is paranoid about everything/everyone.

Sell your pot propoganda somewhere else, because I will remain a hard sell on how good pot is for families and societies.

My experience has been with family members nearly destroyed by alcohol. So, Champ should I become a prohibitionist? Alcohol is a truly mind altering drug. A casual beer drinker is just as surely a drug user as is a pot smoker.

The original comment was not an endorsement of marijuana. It was, instead, a recognition of the need to deprive small and large-time Jihadists of their funding, and I would not extend the policy to legalizing heroin so as to limit the amounts of money taken in by Afghani opium farmers, some of whom no doubt may support the Taliban. Since marijuana is apparently unstoppable, and the mildest of these substances (so I have been led to believe) I would take the profit out, so as to lessen the revenues for the Jihad.

And for the same reasons I would put a stiff and constantly rising tax on gasoline. In the latter case, the supporters of Jihad are all those in the Arab and Muslim oil states, rather than in Amsterdam. In one case something is being made cheaper, to cut down profits. In the other case, something is being made more expensive, to cut down profits. But the aim is the same.

Actually the "war on drugs" creates all the avenues for the likes of these people to obtain billions of dollars a year.

While at the same time we spend billions a year on the "war on drugs" not to mention the legal costs and the housing of the guilty parties.

The heads never get caught only the mules and like islam one mule just replaces the other mule.

People may not like it but legalizing the "milder drugs" at least would cut thier profits and OUR costs.

It's just like the prohibition of alcohol.It made billionaires out of criminals.

At least when it comes to marijuana people don't kill and steal to get it,except those who would steal and kill in the first place.

The gov. has marijuana placed equally with cocaine and other highly addictive drugs.This is false.

Name me one successful battle in the "war on drugs". What has it accomplished?

Once again the billions used to fight it could have been used to treat the users and not imprison them and to educate young people NOT to use them.

Instead like the war in Iraq they squander on a pipe dream of thier own.

WHAT ARE THESE PEOPLE SMOKING?

The trillion dollars and more that will be spent on "the War on terror" would have been better spent on funding means to discard our dependency on oil.This would have been one of THE most devestating and useful weopon on terrorism.

We could have led the world in terror free.

It just proves time and again the priorities of the Politicos are of thier own agenda.

How many politicians were elected to the thumping of the "war on drugs?"

How many billions have been spent on a dimes bag worth of accomplishments?

"war on drugs" or "war on terror",all is just chest beating and nothing....NOTHING will ever be accomplished through either.Except a larger and larger defecit and more people dieing for futile motives.

Of course the terrorists use drugs for making profit for thier causes,it's the other oil.

And like oil we hand them all the money they can manage to carry while spending all our money to hand it to them.

How many years has it been for the "war on drugs?" How many years projected for the "war on terror?"

Stuff it in your pipe dreams and smoke it.

But then both of these "wars" will remain very useful tools for politico agenda and ascencion,of course to our own lowly dis service.

I once had a guy tell me that the only thing bad about pot were the places one had to go to buy any, and the people one had to buy it from.

An Afghanistan rant by a U.S. combat medic By Joe Sailor

http://www.exile.ru/2007-May-04/fuck_this_place_.html

Templar
Alcohol is the traditional "drug" of Western man, Western civilization, is mentioned in Western holy books, our Bible and Torah.
The Muslims reject alcohol but hashish smoking is not condemned in the Koran. Hashish is an Arab invention (I believe) and export. I have heard hashish smoking is widespread in some Muslim countries. Many medieval monasteries were renowned for their beer making, not their marijuana cultivation. If they had smoked pot do you think Western civilization would have been preserved during our dark ages.

Pot is traditional to the Middle East and Mexico on south. It is not a traditional Western relaxant or drug. Same for cocaine, opium and opium products (heroin)

flowerknife_us:
We should fund the Islamists in a way that would encourage them to Smoke their own Hash. It might just Mellow them out. They could easily find the taste of Chocolate Chip Cookies and Milk more appealing than that of say, C-$ and Cordite.

They are already doing drugs. It is called Khat.
It is narcotic very popular in Somalia & Yemen.
Mildly hallucinogenic. Farmers sit in huts with a gun guarding the Khat crop, ready to blow to bits anyone who raids it.

See
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/6405181.stm
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khat

Now if we could get the whole of the Islamic world on it, might be benefical for us.

Hugh, I agree. I am not endorsing any drug, but trying to point out the problems with the two-faced societal attitudes about drugs.

We should have learned the lesson with prohibition, but didn't.

"No tendency is quite so strong in human nature as the desire to lay down rules of conduct for other people." William Howard Taft

Once upon a time, there were no illegal drugs in the US.

DENNISW......actually the problems you speak of "softening the brain" is more akin to the use of alcohol.

The use of alcohol is a more wider use than anything,hands down.

Alcohol harms your abilities to function whereas marijuana does not,not seriously.

You can't drive a car drunk.

You can drive a car high.

most accidents reported whose drivers were under the influence of marijuana also were drinking.The both together amplifies the other many times over.

How pathetic is it that aids and cancer patients can't even use medicianl marijuana.Like they may "enjoy"it.

The pharmacutical co. would rather you go without food and heat to buy thier high priced drugs as opposed to cheap marijuana that will not only give those without an apetite the desire to eat but also give some comfort from pain.

I know a 60 yr old woman whom i loved very much had cancer,her son smoked pot and talked her into smoking it because the meds she took made her sick and not want to eat.

She smoked it and ate.She didn't sit around "getting high"!

Also i speak from expierince with drugs and alcohol.

I was never in trouble with pot but had several SERIOUS encounters with trouble due to alcohol.

In fact i do not drive today.I can get my DL but i have learned to deal without them and i like knowing i save on car payment and insurance AND I DO NOT SUPPORT TERROR AT THE PUMP.

Yet i can go anywhere,anytime anyone else can.

The only ones that steal and kill for pot are those who are gang members or just outright not "good people" to begin with.

Harder drugs on the other hand are a different story.

Like i say over and over about many topics. "The solutions to so many problems,and most are tied to others,are so easily found that it's unbelievable."

The real problem is found in the people in charge of exacting out solutions that fall only under the category of "how will this help my agenda?"

"we the people" has been erased and "we the elite few" has been penciled in.

Let us continue to scratch our heads and wallow.

Look at Mexico.

Who runs that country and why?

Put them out of buisiness by under selling them.

Obviuosly people want it.

I guess as pelosi has said over and over "The people have spoken".

But then this would work against thier agenda.Now wouldn't it?

Or maybe it would show the rest of the world The west made a mistake.

We can't have that now can we?

HMMM Champ, I understand your contempt for pot,and I dont recommend anyone taking up smoking it, especially, young people and children. In your brothers case, you must look deeper for causes of abberated behavior than just pot. He is an adult and he is making his own choices. While some people do get paranoid on pot, it does not permanently stick with them. If it does, something else is wrong. The effects of smoking wear off quickly. Thats why he does frequent bong hits. He prefers his level of conciousness on pot to his level without it. While pot may enable him to do this, it is not the cause of his problems. They lay elsewhere, but I would agree that pot may aggravate the problem.

Mark Steyn makes the great point that socialism becomes unstoppable once a nation has adopted universal health care and jacked up taxes enough to pay for it. That once this line is crossed the public becomes too beholden to big government. Will stop being critical enough.

Pot legalization will is a similar tipping point (cliché alert!). Y'all can give me your best arguments for it but once a nation legalizes pot it has given up. Some individuals may be pot resistant but the overall effect will be a heck of a lot more potheads and a softer nation more willing to accept Jihad and Muslim conquest. And after pot do other drugs get legalized? Every pro pot legalization argument here can be applied to heroin cocaine crack on down

Dar al-harb
My projections are that any nation that legalizes pot will become too soft to fight the Jihad. I don't have proof. A nation that drinks can retain its warrior spirit which the USA surely has. We have our own Mujahadeen (warrior class) who fight and sacrifice and die for America. Pot legalization will destroy this.

TO REPEAT
Many individuals can remain functional and tough while smoking pot. But the overall effect will be to ruin this nation's fighting spirit
The Thais are too nice to fight the Jihad. That's who we will end up as.

Pot legalization will is a similar tipping point (cliché alert!). Y'all can give me your best arguments for it but once a nation legalizes pot it has given up.

Yep... Given up on failed and utterly moronic social policies that contributes vast amounts of money to terrorists.

Some individuals may be pot resistant but the overall effect will be a heck of a lot more potheads and a softer nation more willing to accept Jihad and Muslim conquest.

That's an amazingly counterintuitive observation, considering that some of the most insane Islamofascist fanatics on earth are bred in regions of the world where hashish use is commonplace. If pot is a great pacifier, what the hell happened in Afghanistan?

And after pot do other drugs get legalized? Every pro pot legalization argument here can be applied to heroin cocaine crack on down.

Yes--correctly, at least as far as the argument that terrorism is funded directly by prohibition is concerned. Ask the Colombians about what fuels terrorism in their country. Where do you think the Communists there get the money for their weapons from?

pickle
Do you favor all drug legalization or just pot?

I'm somewhat perplexed that some of the people here seem to think that if you smoke pot your automatically a liberal or hippie dumbass. I smoke a joint everyday and read Jihad Watch and about 5-10 other anti terror blogs. I take note of every MSM coverup,overlook,outright lie and all the rest of their PC garbage. What i dont like to see, is people claiming to be against an ideology that DEMANDS you accept its values(in islam's case a lack there of) but in the next breath these same people will tell me to accept THEIR values or go to jail. You know JAIL, as in taking away my and others freedom, puting us in cells with rapists, murderers, robbers and a lot of other bad folks. For what? Sitting home and smoking something YOU might not like? What the hell is wrong with you people? You sound kinda like the people we are fighting. Prohibition really worked in the 20's didnt it? Who got rich? Bad people. Why? Cause there will always be a market. If drugs were legal they wouldnt be as expensive and criminals/terrorists wouldnt be selling it. It would be a HUGE dent in terror financing. No chance in hell its gonna happen, i understand that. Would legalization cut off terror financing? Find me an arguement that says it wouldnt hurt them! Same thing with abortion. Dont have abortions, and by the way, condoms and birth control are bad too. Social conservatives like to portray themselves as soooooooo smart and educated, but they have some pretty dumb ideas. Not as bad as the wacky Muslims but still pretty bad.

duh_swami --

I understand what you're saying, but the problems with my brother didn't start until he started smoking pot everyday. If his paranoia were caused by something else, then that would have been evident at some point beforehand. Know what I mean?

Pelayo --

I don't disagree with what you're saying. The big question I would want to ask anyone who drinks or smokes pot is "why".

Why do you smoke weed?

Why do you drink alcohol?

Generally speaking, the pot user is looking for escape, not for "medicinal" reasons. Same rule applies with someone who drinks wine/beer/any alcohol.

Keep in mind that alcohol doesn't have the same social stigma as pot does, so the person drinking wine/beer has a variety of reasons for consuming it.

For instance, a glass of wine at a wedding does not mean that someone is abusing alcohol or using it to escape (unless they're an alcoholic of course); but they're partaking in a social norm. Remember, Jesus turned water into wine at a wedding -- BUT -- Jesus also said don't get drunk on wine.

So now we are back to "why" a person drinks -- in my opinion that's the key.

Isn't it written in the Holy Qur'an by the profit Mohammed (pbuh) that if an adulteress smokes cannabis she will be stoned?

Dennis:

I suggest leaving Universal Health Care out of it. That's a debate for a whole other venue. Your statements on that matter are debatable to say the least. But I'll say this much. The U.S., which is unique among all the developed nations of the Western world in that it is the only one among them that lacks a national health care program, still spends a higher portion of its Gross Domestic Product on health care than any of them but with fewer results. As many as 30 or 40 million people in the U.S. have no access to health care insurance. Still, the debilitating effects of welfare state dependency are at least no better in the U.S. than in any of those countries. And arguably they're much worse than in any other Western world, with the possible exception of the much more recent problems with the Islamic populations in a number of European countries and I'd say even that's doubtful. You've been having race riots for generations now in the (mostly black) urban ghettoes of many American cities. Your resistance to "socialism" hasn't saved you from that, and in fact I'd say that if it meant providing a way for the uninsured millions that I mentioned to have the security of reliable access to health care you would do well to adopt a bit of socialism and your entire country would be a lot better off for it. It hasn't made the Brits, the French, the Italians or Germans, or Canadians, any worse off than the Americans are right now.

You seem to suggest that what makes Cannabis unacceptable is that it is not "Western" in origin. So what? Throughout history, cultures have cross-fertilized one another by exchanging customs and products. No, cannabis use may not have originated in the West, but neither did coffee (which is Turkish), paper and gunpowder(both of which were invented in China) and the Judeo-Christian religion (which is Middle Eastern).

Like other posters have said, I do not endorse the use of cannabis (I have never used it myself and I argue against it with people I know who do use it) but there's no point in pretending that this drug is a uniquely destructive and deserves special attention when you're willing to permit other things that are clearly far worse.

Champ ...your example is due to the fact that it is ILLEGAL.

These guys you tell about are probably gang bangers.

Are they Looking for fast and easy cash,for the finest jewelery and expensive clothes.

YEP.

Of course they smoked pot.

They got drunk.

And they owned guns ,legal or not.

And they stole cars and robbed stores and people.

All to get pot?.....NAH......come on now.

Champ you can do better than that.

In the little city i live in ( Village of Peoria Hts.,Illinois) they just made a law that you now recieve a fine depending on the amount of pot you get caught with.

The courts were being over crowded and jails filled with people who smoke it.

Letting those who sell it go early,as well as rapists and murderers.The ones who were already jailed that is. to make room for the NEW guilty parties.

You can talk to law enforcement (i have) that wants pot leagl.Of course not the dealers and gang bangers because ...well they are just outright criminals who use it.

Someone mentioned the Libertarians.

I met quite a few years back the guy running for pres. for this party.I wasn't going to vote for him but i was involved in something called "The coalition for a free America".

It had to do with Liberatarianism of sorts but there were many other avenues as well.

But yes libertarians want ALL drugs legalized,i do not want ALL drugs legalized.

They ran/run on the platform that the "war on drugs" is a money pit.AND THEY ARE CORRECT.

It has accomplished nothing.

But i point out my other comments on this topic.

Dar -- huh? Please pin down your question because you aren't giving me anything to respond to.

"Dar al-harb
My projections are that any nation that legalizes pot will become too soft to fight the Jihad. I don't have proof. A nation that drinks can retain its warrior spirit which the USA surely has. We have our own Mujahadeen (warrior class) who fight and sacrifice and die for America. Pot legalization will destroy this."

Posted by dennisw

I see so a bunch of drunks passed out or a bunch of drunks wakeing up in the morning all hung over are going to be our strength.

Sorry i just can't seem to see what makes a pot smoker "SOFT".

Mind you i am not trying to war with you i just don't understand.

Are we soft now?

If we are is it because of pot?

LOL.....i'm not getting it....sorry.

Or am i to believe all the woes of today are because of the SOFT pot smokers?

I think you would be flabergasted if you knew all the people around you that smokes pot.Not to mention those in HIGH (no pun intended) places.

The fact is the hard drugs should be where the fight is against if there is to be one.You want to talk about fried and soft.....ever seen hollywood.Those shining stars and thier screwed up lives,those talking heads for politics to our youth.

Come on SOFT.

Give a pot smoker the right to smoke pot and he will be your hardest fighter. I am willing to bet.

If you say they will smoke it in theatre then what keeps soldiers from drinking in theatre?

The gateway to other drugs arguement?

Once again ALCOHOL.The first drug teens expierience.

Come on now.

Champ i think the problem with your brother was he moved on to more powerful drugs.

What you talk about does not happen with pot.I am not saying 100% that it can't,but don't fool yoursef.

I will bet he has done harsher things than you know.

If he is peeking through curtains or thinking people are watching him.Well he is probably smoking crack or snorting waaaay too much coke.

Get the truth from your brother,because if it's the harsher drugs you need to help him.But as we all know one first must want to help themselves.

"Dar -- huh? Please pin down your question because you aren't giving me anything to respond to."

Posted by: champ

Champ sorry i had posted a response and then the old "you didn't sign in" notification appeared and i didn't copy my post.

I was responding to...........

"A friend of ours is a chaplain at a prison in a neighboring city, and he told us that most, if not all, of the guys in prison use drugs -- pot being the most widely used. Is there a connection between drug use and crime? Yep."

Legalizing pot is not the answer -- getting sober is."

Posted by: champ

Which my response was.........

"Champ ...your example is due to the fact that it is ILLEGAL.

These guys you tell about are probably gang bangers.

Are they Looking for fast and easy cash,for the finest jewelery and expensive clothes.

YEP.

Of course they smoked pot.

They got drunk.

And they owned guns ,legal or not.

And they stole cars and robbed stores and people.

All to get pot?.....NAH......come on now.

Champ you can do better than that.

In the little city i live in ( Village of Peoria Hts.,Illinois) they just made a law that you now recieve a fine depending on the amount of pot you get caught with.

The courts were being over crowded and jails filled with people who smoke it.

Letting those who sell it go early,as well as rapists and murderers.The ones who were already jailed that is. to make room for the NEW guilty parties.

You can talk to law enforcement (i have) that wants pot leagl.Of course not the dealers and gang bangers because ...well they are just outright criminals who use it.

Someone mentioned the Libertarians.

I met quite a few years back the guy running for pres. for this party.I wasn't going to vote for him but i was involved in something called "The coalition for a free America".

It had to do with Liberatarianism of sorts but there were many other avenues as well.

But yes libertarians want ALL drugs legalized,i do not want ALL drugs legalized.

They ran/run on the platform that the "war on drugs" is a money pit.AND THEY ARE CORRECT.

It has accomplished nothing.

But i point out my other comments on this topic."

Posted by: Dar al-harb

"Dar -- huh? Please pin down your question because you aren't giving me anything to respond to."

Posted by: champ

Champ sorry i had posted a response and then the old "you didn't sign in" notification appeared and i didn't copy my post.

I was responding to...........

"A friend of ours is a chaplain at a prison in a neighboring city, and he told us that most, if not all, of the guys in prison use drugs -- pot being the most widely used. Is there a connection between drug use and crime? Yep."

Legalizing pot is not the answer -- getting sober is."

Posted by: champ

Which my response was.........

"Champ ...your example is due to the fact that it is ILLEGAL.

These guys you tell about are probably gang bangers.

Are they Looking for fast and easy cash,for the finest jewelery and expensive clothes.

YEP.

Of course they smoked pot.

They got drunk.

And they owned guns ,legal or not.

And they stole cars and robbed stores and people.

All to get pot?.....NAH......come on now.

Champ you can do better than that.

In the little city i live in ( Village of Peoria Hts.,Illinois) they just made a law that you now recieve a fine depending on the amount of pot you get caught with.

The courts were being over crowded and jails filled with people who smoke it.

Letting those who sell it go early,as well as rapists and murderers.The ones who were already jailed that is. to make room for the NEW guilty parties.

You can talk to law enforcement (i have) that wants pot leagl.Of course not the dealers and gang bangers because ...well they are just outright criminals who use it.

Someone mentioned the Libertarians.

I met quite a few years back the guy running for pres. for this party.I wasn't going to vote for him but i was involved in something called "The coalition for a free America".

It had to do with Liberatarianism of sorts but there were many other avenues as well.

But yes libertarians want ALL drugs legalized,i do not want ALL drugs legalized.

They ran/run on the platform that the "war on drugs" is a money pit.AND THEY ARE CORRECT.

It has accomplished nothing.

But i point out my other comments on this topic."

Posted by: Dar al-harb

.just because you get paranoid while smokin' doesn't mean they're not out to throw you in jail..

Persian rugs contribute to terrorism… does oil contribute to terrorism? Forget about the historical go to villain, pot. Are potsmokers soft? Well has anyone here ever tried to take their weed away? Geez, we have more important things to do, like fight the islamists and eat ice cream sundaes.

I am an adult..don't need a nanny state telling me what to ingest

Whoa, last thing I expected here was a debate on whether to legalize pot. While I'm partly Libertarian, that's one thing that I certainly balk at supporting. Oh, and please, spare us the equivalence arguments with alcohol. If only we regulated narcotics the way we did tobacco.

I have a solution (manner of speaking again) that could make both sides happy - seize the pot, and then sell it to ummah members in dar ul Islam. Flood Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc with it. Use the money raised to fight Jihad.

The source of this pot should be private growers - 2 years ago, the Canadian government tried growing pot for college growers and blew it - according to students, that pot was 'unfit for human consumption'. So do both - keep Law Enforcement alive, confiscate these drugs and sell them throughout the Islamic world, and compensate Law Enforcement handsomely, so that they are inspired to stay on their toes. In the meantime, have our own growers grow gobs of the stuff and export it again to the same market. Make it a 'joint' effort, and sell it for cents per pound. Oh, and Bolivia wants to trade in drugs. Reroute their supplies as well to the mosques of dar ul Islam. Call it Mohammed's herbs, if you will.

That way, we reduce the supply for domestic consumption, while making it a marginal business for everybody. In the meantime, we sedate a good section of our enemy - hey, we could even have Jihadi specials, where all those Jihadi front groups get all these narcotics really cheap - for their own consumption.

"Want to end this problem? Legalize the stuff ....."

I agree with deddisw, that's plain stupid. Western societies are soft enough.

What we DON'T need at the moment is a new generation of pothead, moonbat hippies.
We need clear thinking, not more hallucinations, especially regarding Islam.

Melanie Philips puts up a good argument against the damage to a society that legalizing drugs use can cause, even a so-called "soft" drug like Marijuana.

"The crucial fact that such proponents fail to acknowledge is that if illegal activities become legal, many more people will engage in them. That means a huge increase in the damage they do — because it’s the activities themselves that are so harmful, not just the further crime to which they give rise.

All countries which have liberalised their drug laws have seen a vast increase in their drugs trade."
http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=473

and

http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=39

Infidel Pride-

The entire Ummah has been on hashish for 1000 years.

It is candied in Egypt and in marzipan in Morocco, in cakes in Syria and in hubble-bubble pipes everywhere else.

You cannot flood the ocean.

It's passifying effects were proven erroneous by the "Old Man of the Mountain" in the medieval era, when he morphed the concept of hashishin into assassin.

I'm a fan of Robert Spencer's work and a long time reader of Jihad Watch. I'm a strong anti-Jihadist and am not shy about expressing my opinions to others. Although I'm an independent, I'm very conservative… and I smoke Cannabis.

I could be wrong, but I suspect that some people have made a connection between liberalism and Cannabis in large part due to the 60's, (which certainly wasn’t caused by Cannabis), but also because liberals are more likely to be open about their Cannabis consumption verses conservatives like me who are more likely to be closet smokers. All but one of the people I know that smoke Marijuana lean towards the conservative end of the spectrum.

In regard to the comment about whether or not Amsterdam is paying attention to the above report: the Cannabis in Amsterdam, as far as I know, is grown and regulated in Amsterdam, so unless there are some Islamists in Amsterdam growing Cannabis, I don't see a link. Even if that were the case, the problem still isn’t Cannabis but the Jihadists in Amsterdam who are raising funds by whatever means.

I'm sure that there are Jihadists working in all sorts of jobs, even in our government, but to try to link those occupations to Jihad in a general fashion is absurd.

Alcohol is poison!
But this is a free country so if people want to drink it, that’s fine with me. I just wish they weren’t so righteous about it.

Many of these "truthers" seem to be pot smokers. Pot gives people such delusions. Any of our legalizers want to respond?

Truther is someone who says the US Government caused 911, not Al Qaeda. That the USG planted controlled demolition explosives

Oops, meant to say "I agree with dennisw" in my above post.

Floating Rock-

The "cannabis" in the Netherlands is mostly home grown, but the majority of the hashish comes from Muslim countries (Morocco, Lebanon and Afghanistan, primarily). I think the story is not distinguishing between "grass" and "hash". The Dutch themselves mainly profit from the former, the Jihad may get a cut of the latter.

I worry more, as noted, about a toxic, undetectable component (plutonium, etc.) being added by jihadists to their hashish to poison unsuspecting (stoned) Euro-peons.

Never ingest things coming from Islamic sources, might be a good rule for the dopey.

Champ said above:
“A friend of ours is a chaplain at a prison in a neighboring city, and he told us that most, if not all, of the guys in prison use drugs -- pot being the most widely used. Is there a connection between drug use and crime? Yep.”

In response:
Probably those same prisoners would also be drinking alcohol if it weren’t so bulky and difficult to smuggle into a prison. Does that mean there is a link between alcohol and crime? Yep, there is. Does that mean we should criminalize alcohol? Some may say yes, but I believe in freedom and liberty and say no.

Islamic countries have already gone to pot.

It is more important to cut out their funding, any way one can, than to continue to ban the growing of marijuana, and waste police, lawyers, judges on the whole business. Let the price be driven down that no one can profit from it commercially, and as for those who grow it for themselves and their friends -- just let it go.
Posted by: Hugh

Amen to that! And the added benefit being that the product would be less likely to be laced with harmful components by those who wish to harm the consumers of their cannabis.

Cannabis has also been known to have been laced with angel dust and even Pepsi to enhance flavor and the "high" factor.

We are seriously wasting huge bucks and manpower on something that is much less important than combating jihad.

Imagine for a moment if Islamberg were called "Cannabisberg".

I guarantee you there'd be DEA and ATF all over the place! Not to mention the press. Helicopters galore..

But have a jihad training camp on US soil.. oh big deal.. nothing to see here.. everyone move along now..

Stay tuned for Britney and Paris' newest news.. and DON'T TOUCH THAT DIAL...

Dar al-harb --

OK -- that makes sense; and yeah, these guys are in jail for larger crimes (like the ones you mentioned). But our chaplain friend is the one making the connection between their drug use and their crime sprees, and I just happen to agree with him.

As for my brother you are probably right, because I've had my own suspicions too, that other drugs were involved too.

An intake nurse at the drug rehab center we were hoping to get my brother to check into told me that marijuana does cause paranoia for those who have used it for a long time. So even if other drugs are not a factor (although I believe that they could be )then the marijuana alone was enough for us to be concerned.

He wasn't "peeking through windows" like you thought LOL!!! But he was calling me and everyone up convinced that we were out to get him, that we didn't love him, that we were the enemy. Crazy stuff.

Anyway, other drugs aside, I still think the pot played a huge role in his paranoia.

Gotta go make dinner -- my poor husband looks pale with hunger.

the cannabis in amsterdam is regulated via the government and is locally grown by residents of amsterdam.
its not legal but de-criminalised to be sold via the coffee shops.

spanish dope is de-criminalised but not regulated via the government so yes you have morroccans and algerians selling lots of hash in spain. but amsterdam is a different story.

People who are screaming about the evil of Mary Jane, while sipping Jack or Mogen David or whatever their liquid drug of choice is are a bunch of hypocrites, period. There are enough funerals with closed caskets because of alcohol.

An intake nurse at the drug rehab center we were hoping to get my brother to check into told me that marijuana does cause paranoia for those who have used it for a long time.

[...]

Anyway, other drugs aside, I still think the pot played a huge role in his paranoia.

[...]

Posted by: champ

Sounds like a good case for Clinton to inhale.. and for Dhimya to take up his former habits..

These two are not NEARLY paranoid enough when it comes to Pigslam.

In fact, I know a Congress and a Senate who could use a healthy dose of paranoia.

If marijuana were legalized, it would be grown, processed, packaged and sold by legitimate businesses, rather than by criminal gangs and terrorists.

Anybody who doesn't understand this is too stupid to reason with.

Once again, it is government that is causing the problem; not the free market.

One of those relatives with an alcohol problem was an uncle who became an alcoholic while in the military. He moved back to a part of the world where alcohol was still illegal (up unitil 1960)and did not have any problems getting liquor - not moonshine, but the good stuff, brought in from out of state.

My mother, his sister, told me more than once that there were only two groups of people who were against legal alcohol - holy rollers and bootleggers.

Champ said: ”…he was calling me and everyone up convinced that we were out to get him, that we didn't love him, that we were the enemy. Crazy stuff.”

Champ, I’m not absolutely positive about the latest legitimate (objective) science relating to cannabis and paranoia, but my understanding is that the link is that WHILE smoking marijuana people have a tendency to be a bit paranoid. I don’t recall ever reading anything that suggested any lasting damage, but perhaps after years of chronic use with no letup… I’m not sure. My personal experience is that the level of paranoia I experience when I smoke is directly related to the risk of getting caught and sent to jail and receiving a criminal record that will affect me for the rest of my life. If the risk is low there is no discernable paranoia, in my case at least.

I’m sorry to hear about your brother, I hope his condition improves. I mean no offense when I suggest that your brother may be paranoid for any number of reason including genetics, some sort of chemical poisoning, maybe led poisoning, (not sure), or a head injury, who knows. Did your mother smoke or drink when pregnant? Maybe he unknowingly has sleep apnea and deprived a part of his brain of oxygen just a little to long at some point earlier in his life. In fact, your brother’s mental issues may have been what led to his drug use in the first place, which is often the case.

This is all speculation; I’m just suggesting that drug use may be a symptom rather than a cause. Perhaps if you approach the problem from a different angle, your brother might be more receptive to help. If you can’t get him into drug rehab, maybe he’ll agree to visit a psychiatrist who can help him examine his issues. Maybe he should have a CAT scan, (or whatever), to look for a brain tumor that might be causing his aberrant behavior.

Best wishes to you and your brother.

I'll admit to being a pot smoking anti-Jihadi. I'm not saying smoking pot is for everyone but if it's done responsibly and safely why should I care? I don't drink but I'm not going to force that belief on anyone else and unfortunately, like so many others, my family has experienced the horrors of alcoholism.

I have to agree with Falafal Al Kabob's sentiment when he/she says "but in the next breath these same people will tell me to accept THEIR values". I'm proud to be a Libertarian and much of what I dislike about Islam is it's attempts to force it's point of view on everyone. But if forced to choose, I'll take an anti-Jihadi anti-pot smoker over a Jihadi any day.

As was said during the prohibition years in the US, every time those guys pass a law they create a business.

Fact is the jihaddis need cash fast.

No better way to get cash fast than selling what's illegal, or selling something in a way that's illegal, or simply selling something under market by bypassing taxes.

Nothing to see here folks.

Want to cut the jihaddis out of the pot business? Legalize it and put it through normal commercial distribution channels. The juicy black-market vigorish goes out of the game and the jihaddis go with it.

In which case they move to another contraband product or service.

I hear they've been doing well in the market for young black children from Sudan.

scientific studies have shown that those who most vociferously oppose legalization of marijuana are lacking the THC(tetrahydracannabinol) receptor in their brain...

you were aware that there is a thc receptor in the brain?

momma Nature made a place in our brain that hooked up with the THC molecule..we have evolved in tandem with the tetrahydracannabinol molecule..it's in our hardwire..to recieve THC

Google THC receptors

Great quote and good point.

Considering that all of the science to date as well as observations throughout history shows that the harm caused by marijuana lies somewhere between caffeine and alcohol, (and probably closer to the caffeine side of the spectrum), why is it illegal?

My recollection is that prohibition is religious in nature.

Back when both marijuana and alcohol were both legal, most people chose the bottle. As a result, when the “holly rollers” tried to outlaw alcohol, the boozers had enough political power to repeal it and the smokers didn’t, hence marijuana is illegal and the holly rollers are still winning that portion of the battle.

Since prohibition is religious in nature, the people on the side of righteousness treat people like me with disdain and put us in jail and do all sorts of nasty stuff to us, all the while feeling good about themselves. Many of them go home to their family and sleep well at night safe in the knowledge that putting people like me away is the righteous thing to do.

I’m not trying to compare the U.S. to a Sharia state, but the reason marijuana is illegal is the same reason that alcohol is illegal in Islamic states. There is no difference. The people here who appose Sharia and Jihad should honestly, if you think about it, be apposed to the prohibition of marijuana on the same grounds.

I’ve also heard that chemical companies had a large role in the prohibition of cannabis because they didn’t want hemp competing with nylon and other products. Also, I’ve heard that marijuana had a reputation for being smoked by slaves and Mexicans, so there is probably also a racism aspect to it. Still, I think my point is valid.

In my most recent post above I referred to a quote which I forgot to include, which was:

“…there [are] only two groups of people who were against legal alcohol - holy rollers and bootleggers.” – Pelayo’s mother.

I bonged up 5 minutes ago.
Really good stuff.
It’s given me the courage to finally post.
May only have a few moments to get this down before it kicks in.
Just wanted to say ……
Um, ummm,
Oh, yeah
The main thread of the original article has been somewhat sidetracked to whether pot should be banned/legalised/decriminalised /etc.
Judging from the posts 70% for and 70% against plus the 42% that are too stoned to post.
So the solution is obvious….
Um ummmm ur. I did have a point…
Oh yeah
I bonged up 15 minutes ago.
Really good stuff.
It’s given me the………

No malice intended

HELLLOOOO!!

I'm sorry, I was looking for JihadWatch? Anybody know why the link redirected to "High Times"?

I've got an idea, let's just seize the assets of the dealers. But wait! We've already got laws like that. Maybe we could just enforce them.

Pelayo -- I agree with you, as my mother died from an alcohol related car accident. The drunk driver survived -- she didn't -- so I share your anger towards those who abuse booze; and especially when they drink and drive.

Allahfanculo -- Funny as always!!!

Floating Rock -- Ha Ha! Yeah, my mother dropped him on his head when he was a baby, that's why he's messed up!! That was funny!

My other brother and I are "normal" in that neither of us suffer from paranoia or mental health problems, so I don't think that there was a preexisting condition -- but maybe there was.

I know that there's a lot conflicting information over the effects of pot on the brain/body; but even if they never prove just how bad it may or may not be for you, I will never smoke it again because I prefer to have a clear mind at all times. I didn't smoke that much pot when I was younger, but the few times I did try it I didn't like it because it made me say and do stupid stuff; plus, being sober minded is way more enjoyable for me.

Thanks for the well wishes too! Take care.

Concerned -- I'll stop :)

Great post Freedom!

Freedom;

While this thread may have diverged somewhat from the original news article, most if not all of the posts so far are in the context of the issues that have been raised by the article itself.

There have been at least a few attempts since 9/11 by officialdom to link me to terrorists by claiming that I’m funding the Jihad by smoking cannabis, which I assure you is not the case. Based on a few of the initial comments above, trying to also link me to trutherism or liberalism or pacifism or what have you, I felt it was important to note that there are probably approximately as many conservatives smoking pot as liberals. People just don’t realize it because we keep quite about it so we don’t lose our six figure jobs and houses and families and get sent to jail. We don’t go to hemp rallies for the same reason and because we don’t have anything else in common with the protesters.

I just think people should keep that in mind before marijuana is unfairly demonized more than it already has been. (Not here so much, but in general).

"cannabis profits fund jihad"???
They're just NOW saying this?

We knew this (old news) years ago
(clear and unmistakable evidence of dealing between al-qaeda, islamists, and south american drug cartels,
many of which are in the "tri-border" area,
& their lackeys like hugo chavez-
aided & abetted by china & their own china white trade-
another primary reason they're dealing so heavily in south america as well),
and we stated it clearly (even made commercials on it)...and were promptly excoriated for it (gee, what a shock!) by the NORML nabobs & naive nincompoops, aided & aetted by the MSM for their own agenda.
This isn't exactly a news flash.

The course of this thread is certainly relevant to the original topic. The news article brought up the issue of cannabis funding terrorism. Either decriminalization or legalization would eliminate that source of that funding. Problem solved, (at least that portion of it). How can you get any more relevant that that? Wouldn’t it be nice if all of the solutions to the problems presented here at Jihad Watch were so easy? Some may disagree with the solution, but a solution is still a solution.

If I'm wrong, explain why.

FloatingRock
Please do not be offended by my attempt at levity.
You would do yourself more justice by taking Infidels approach and loosen up a bit and laugh.
It is neither my intention to demonise pot or those who smoke it.
I’m just having a bit of fun.
Put a smile on your face, come on.
With a handle like FloatingRock, I thought you’d be less aggravated than what you seem.
Might have to change that to SinkingBrick, come on sweetheart lighten up.

"Call it Mohammed's herbs, if you will"....Ha Ha Ha!!!

No sweat, Freedom. Actually I wasn’t sure what to think of your post and wasn’t really responding to it directly.

I don’t apologize about my defensiveness though. Imagine if a collective of people, a virtual mob really, accused you of funding terrorism and of being a pacifist, truther, Liberal or whatever, (assuming your not), you’d probably be defensive about it as well.

But just like every other conservative smoker, I relate just fine with people on the other end of the spectrum, although I don’t call any of them friends… it’s too risky.

Tune in, turn on....dammit, forgot the rest

You wanna get high
- Towelie

Cartman: You just have no long term memory cuz' you get high all the time!
Towelie: Don't preach to me fatso!
Cartman: I can preach to you all I want cuz' your stupid!
Towelie: You're stupid!
Cartman: Yeah, you're a towel!
Towelie: YOU'RE A TOWEL!

Here's something to lighten up the debate. From Mr. Spencer's favorite songwriter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMfuHJt85H8

And I hope you like jammin' too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfW-Ku2DuAk

To all the posters who have admitted in this thread to smoking pot..........
With all the web crawlers used by various agencies to flag words they consider to be worthy of more scrutiny, don't you feel somewhat exposed by your admissions?
Why, hell, if I was a hoochie hound-dog there's not way in the world I'd be admitting it on any web forum. No way Jose

Floating --

I'm curious about a couple of things you wrote: "People just don’t realize it because we keep quite about it so we don’t lose our six figure jobs and houses and families and get sent to jail."

And this too: "I relate just fine with people on the other end of the spectrum, although I don’t call any of them friends… it’s too risky."

Do you worry about going to jail because of marijuana? Did I read that correctly? And is it "too risky" for the same reason? Are you afraid that someone would turn you in?

If you are worried about getting in trouble with the law, then this must add stress to your life, right? Is this why you want to see it legalized? To eliminate the stress?

Why not just quit, and then you don't have to worry about it any more. Sounds like a more reasonable way to eliminate the stress pot seems to create; given the fact that marijuana may never be legalized in your lifetime.

I'm sorry, I was looking for JihadWatch? Anybody know why the link redirected to "High Times"? Posted by: Concerned Citizen

I second that. One of the few occasions I've felt totally out of depth on this site. So many good and sensible people that I normally agree with, and suddenly, I discover that if any pro-Islam apologist were to ask them, "What have you been smoking?"....

While I've always been opposed to the legalization of narcotics, I support both alcohol and tobacco being legal. I agree with Mike_W above when he says 'We need clear thinking, not more hallucinations, especially regarding Islam'. I guess my reason is that I have alcohol at parties, and I am what I call a 'social smoker' i.e. I'd take a cig just to keep another smoker company, but would never bother having one on my own initiative. But if it was a question of a joint, count me out.

Well, to each his/her own

P.S. Profitsbeard, the Ummah has a lot more than just hashish - heroin, cocaine, etc are all popular there. But if they were just kept on hashish, they'd probably be sedated.

This drug-terrorism-jihad connection story is old as time itself, it's hardly a new-OMG-type-of-thing. Muslims don't have any doubts or moral dilemmas about tools necessery to overtake "the enemy". Hugh's solution is interesting, logical, and have a strong point, yet it too has flaws, but it's a debate for some other topic or forum...

But, back in Jihad, guess who are the champions in this drug-terror game?

No answers?

C'mooooon... someone MUST know, it's not that hard...

Still noone? OK, cookies goes to me than... :)

IT'S BALKANS JIHADISTS - ALBANIANS!!!

I told you it was easy...

So here's (part of) the story from Post Chronicle by By John David Powell on
May 11, 2007

....
The Kosovo Liberation Army, which the U.S. State Department no longer lists among the world’s terrorist organizations, was an ethnic Albanian guerilla group that led the battle for Kosovo’s secession from Yugoslavia in the late 1990s. The Clinton administration turned a blind eye to their activities designed to lure the Serbian government into armed conflict, thereby forcing the West to jump in under the pretext of preventing the slaughter of Muslims by Serbian Christians.

In early April of 1999, American officials and KLA leaders held secret talks about supplying the terrorists with heavy weapons and other support, according to the April 26, 1999, issue of U.S. News & World Report. Defense Secretary William Cohen later told Republican senators the KLA was no “choirboy circle,” according to the magazine.

Stories about the Balkan Connection have been around for more than twenty years. The Wall Street Journal reported on September 9, 1985, on heroin trafficking by a loosely organized group of ethnic Albanians centered in New York. U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency officials claimed the Balkan Connection moved as much as forty percent of the U.S. heroin supply, according to the WSJ.

The Observatire Geopolitique Des Drogues, a Paris-based narcotics-monitoring group, released a report in June 1994 that claimed Albanian groups in Kosovo were trading heroin for weapons for use in a brewing conflict. On June 9, 1998, Agence France-Presse reported that Italian police staged a nation-wide anti-drug operation and arrested a group of ethnic Albanians smuggling arms back to Kosovo to use in their battle against the Serbs.

Independence was not the only goal of the KLA and the drug traffickers, according to an unnamed Italian Special Operations Section source quoted in the Oct. 15, 1998, edition of Milan’s Corriere della Sera. “On the basis of phone calls that we have intercepted, we have discovered that the drugs are not only a source of wealth, but also a tool in the struggle to weaken Christendom,” the source said.

....

Whole story is here:
http://www.postchronicle.com/commentary/article_21280069.shtml

Read it all.

THE TRUTH IS MARCHING ON!!!

Well, back to topic...

It's no secret, nor was it a secret that if it weren't for drug sales, the USSR would have collapsed long before it did (it was by far the #1 hard cash source income over even their oil exports)...but it's secondary example to the primary topic here.

Using drug trade to finance dubious ventures is an age-old idea...and the terrorists are no exception. Thus, this comes as no surprise at all.
The only surprise is how we get excoriated by the MSM for even mentioning this very same thing.

Let's not get sidetracked on who smokes and who doesn't...

oh, and by the way, the paranoiacs needn't worry as they seem to (big brother isn't as grand as has been implied over the years)...they simply don't rate high enough on the food chain, or any other pecking order, to arouse attention to most law enforcement as a primary target (except Barney Fife in Mayberry who has no life anyway) maybe secondary, but not primary, on or offline, over admitting weed usage...there are far bigger fish to fry than pete the pothead in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

...the main intent here is (presumably) that if you do, let this be worth considering next time you light up...and that it is true after all they're profiting from drug sales.
Again...gee, what a shock.
Let's get back on track before this gets more humorous than it already has become.

Infidel Pride:

The mullahs of Iran already keep a large percentage of the population of young, educated, but largely unemployed Iranians apathetic and subservient by allowing heroin addiction to run rampant. Do you think promoting Cannabis use in the ummah is going to do anything to diminish the supply of true believers, who probably don't indulge in anything other than their fanatic beliefs, who are prepared to pursue jihad.

No, the ones who are likely to "turn on, tune in and drop out" are the ones who aren't thrilled with the prospect of blowing themselves to 72-virgins land.

'Cannabis' is misleading.

Read it again: They actually mean Hashish, there is quite a defference. But of course this business is going way back into the sixties, and the distribution (I mean the physical distribution) by the ever increasing numbers of Lebanese, Moroccans and other North-Africans (in the last 2 decades Afghans and Pakistanis) combined with the liberal attitudes of countries like Holland have led to an out of control drug scene with huge profits. But the real money comes from Heroin and Cocaine, as well as chemical stuff that is even harder to control.

All of this is hardly news.

There is a nexus between between paranoia and smoking Hashish or Cannabis. That's the reason why it should not be legalized.

"Using drug trade to finance dubious ventures is an age-old idea...and the terrorists are no exception."

If only U.S. consumers could be as selective in their oil sources as they are in their pot sources, jihadism would be finished within a year.

Product idea: The Closet Well & Refinery.

Some irony: the government's zealous prohibition efforts directly contributed to the explosion of indoor hydroponic growing, which diverts dollars otherwise headed for organized crime/terrorism. Not so ironic: this accomplishment has come at incredible expense to government and private citizens.

A casual observation: compared to the smokers, the non-smokers on this thread have displayed the greater amount of paranoia.

if it where legal how would it fund terror?

are you saying American farmers are terrorist?

please remember the best cannabis in the world is grown in California. we have proven this even while the plant is not legal. think of what we can do when it is completely legal. not even Hawaii can touch California cannabis.

there are very few terrorist that grow cannabis in America.

it is not a fast way to generate cash. it takes at least 3 months for your first harvest. more like 6 if using seeds.

they may purchase and resale, much more money to be made in that area.

if growing indoors you must secure property. each 16 plants grown indoors will cast you at least $1500 in setup costs. if trying to do a commercial size grow the startup cost will be in the $100,000 range. if you want to use solar on wind power you are talking another $100,000 for every 50 lights.

then you have air conditioners, heaters, dehumidifiers, water heaters, water coolers, air purifiers, C02 generators, nutrients, growing medium. too much cost and maintenance for a terrorist.

if it where legal the dealers would be out of business.

perhaps you think all corner stores are owned by terrorist?

hashish is cannabis just more concentrated form. it is made by removing the tricomes from the leaf and bus the heating and compressing the tricomes to melt the oils. tricomes are the taste, smell, and where most cannabiniods (the medicine) are located.

I make my own from the trim I throw away. all the hash i see here in Cali is from Cali. I would not want to smoke something from the middle east as they tend to add wax, motor oil, and other bad things to the hash to increase weight.

I am way out of my league here too...I'm a towel smoker!!!!

(What? That's not real? Well, I wish someone'd told me before I emptied out my linen closet.)

Hello CC

There is no possibility to arrest all drug dealers. It just can't be done. By trying you are inflating the price and funding the jihad and other criminal enterprises.

champ

I'm sorry about your brother. But it's anecdotal at best and ditto for what any prison chaplain says. Sorry, but you guys are contributing to an enormous problem. Exactly how do you think Taliban/Hekmatyar/AQ, et al. are funding operations? Now if we can't stop it at the border, and get real we can't, there is only one way to remove this source of funding.

nabi ZK

a nabi crying out in the desert for reason to prevail, but hey it's not working.