A follow-up to this story. "Radical Muslim paramilitary compounds flourishing across the United States: Islamberg not the only radical Muslim compound flourishing in North America," by Judi McLeod for Canada Free Press, with thanks to WriterMom:
...Islamberg is just one of what is thought to be a half dozen radical Muslim paramilitary compounds flourishing across the United States, this one nestled in dense forest at the foothills of the Catskill Mountains on the outskirts of Hancock, New York.Canada, home to at least one such compound, is no safe ground....
Hundreds of letters have deluged (CFP) since it published a story with pictures of Springtime in Islamberg, written by The Day of Islam author Dr. Paul Williams with the able assistance of Doug Hagmann, Bill Krayer and Michael Travis.
Many letter writers complain that local authorities are telling them they have never heard of the compound.
Islamberg is an al Fuqra house. "Fuqra has had a disturbing U.S. presence for more than 20 years." (The weekly Standard, March 18, 2002). "Today, half a dozen Fuqra residential compounds in rural hamlets across the country shelter hundreds of members, some of whom, according to intelligence sources, have been trained in the use of weapons and explosives in Pakistan."
In a world where authorities make like terrorism doesn't exist, Fuqra's founder and bossman, Sheikh Mubarik Ali Hasmi Shah Gilani, is not only alive and well -- he has a road "Sheikh Gilani Lane" named after him. This road is not in faraway Pakistan, but right in Charlotte County, Virginia.
Charlotte County is a rural farming community in Central Virginia near the North Carolina border.
Read it all.
Maybe somehow we can convince the FBI that they are really Branch Davidians?
MSM apparently has Never heard of such places, they never report on them...
All of the people residing on this compound are black Americans and the nearby residents fear them, as the compound is heavily guarded and shots are fired quite often. Like I stated in a previous post, most American converts are indeed black, and many of them former convicts. Amazing how they get away with this, especially after 9/11.
OT: Has anyone taken notice that Palestinians in Gaza and in Lebanon have both started conflicts at the same time? Iran and Syria are behind it trying to start another war. Even if the Palestinians ever got their State, they would still be starting conflicts with someone, just as they have done the past 30 years.
Hey John Sweeney, here's something worse than Scientology. Why not investigate them. And be careful not to yell at them like you did at Tommy Davis, because they'll gun you down if you do.
I sent this info when I got it last week to Fox news. I am thinking to send this to the FBI also. They might even know about it, but I wouldn't assume anything since the politicians that control them seem to think that letting in muslims, accepting monies from wahabbi saudi princes is a-ok these days.
the groups that should be reading the book of tactics that the muslims use against us - the koran and the hadiths - are chosing ignorance instead.
These groups need to be infiltrated and have their true intentions assertained, as if we don't already know.
Time is running out.
If the US government continues its practice of non-action against these terrorist training camps on US soil, maybe we can prosecute it for being an accessory to mass murder.
I am sure that these groups are already infiltrated with FEDS.
But at a certain point, what is gained by investigating on our soil? Arrest and prosecute. If necessary, capitol punishment. If the message sent is extreme then it will be understood and avoided.
Sanitize and let the public know this will not be allowed. There is to much information gathering and not enouch butt kicking.
How would you feel if the next time you went to the doctor and he said 'you have cancer, but we don't we don't want to treat it we just want to keep an eye on it and see what it does. we want to know how it works, what it's intention is, how it communicates with the body, and if it really means to do you harm.'?
Wonderful that this keeps being posted and causing people to respond about it as all it does is flush terrorists from compounds which are being watched into new safe havens to plan attacks where Homeland can't keep an eye on them.
Williams knows better and for profit and fame has decided to make it harder for security to keep Americans secure in his grandstanding.
Time for civilians to make mock predator drones (any radio-controlled airplane aficionados out there?) and buzz these places to see what the reaction would be.
Prominently visible U.S. flags decal-ed on the sides of the flying machine would be useful imagery, also.
Profitsbeard ...
That would be an intereting experiment. Better still just a camera for some face shots to run through a computer. Makes you wonder who's hiding in there.
some should be putting up some old burma shave style signs along the roads to the compounds...
we are watching
we know who you are
we know your plans
we know your leaders
we know where you go
we know where you've been
etc.....
Only six? I bet there is a lot more we dont know about. A few years ago there was some hysteria about American militia groups. There was even a rumour that Janet Reno was going to raid a lot of them at the same time on the same day. That hysteria passed, but maybe we should bring it back again with the focus being on Islamic militia groups, and thier training camps. Where is Janet when you need her.
Without Janet and Bill, the drama has gone out of government raids. Ruby Ridge, Waco, that little Cuban boy Ellian, armed FDA agents, kicking down the unlocked doors of health food stores, and pointing guns at elderly lady clerks. Where have we gone wrong that Islamic training camps are right under our noses and there is no drama happening? If Janet were in charge, she would know how to 'cook-up' a 'hot' drama.
"Islamberg not the only jihadist compound in the U.S."
For every rat you find, there are always 100 more you don't see.
Has anyone compiled a list?
A_Plague_on_Both_Houses, champ, duh_swami etc
Islamberg is really run by Jamaat ul-Fuqra.
The link below is a report done by John Kane and April Wall paid for by the Justice Dept. (Although the Justice Dept. does not claim the report for some reason). It is 94 pages long so you don't have to read it all but look over it because it shows you deep this organization is within the US.
According to the report they have since 1980 been involved in 13 known murders and 16 bombings in the U.S. including 13 front organizations and companies (including Quranic Open University which runs Islamberg). This has not taken into count their efforts against the Indian Government in Kashmir.
Their stated list of enemies include: Israel, Hindus, Ansar Muslims, Hare Krishnas, Buddists, Jews and the JDL, East Indians, U.S. Government, Ahmadi Islam (Naseem are you reading this), and the Nation of Islam. (In truth all non-muslims and semi-muslims).
They also have 50 plus (more then listed in the article) bases and activities with Islamberg being just one.
So the truth Islamberg is just one name of many front groups that link back to the same central group which is Jamaat ul-Fuqra. Thye of course link to the greater tree of jihad with the root being big Mo himself.
The links:
For PDF with graphics
http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/209520.pdf
For html without graphics
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:jTyRWhoLWWcJ:www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/209520.pdf+%22Jamaat+ul-Fuqra%22+Hyattsville&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=7&gl=us
thanks great comet - I have saved a copy and will read it.
greatcometof1577 --
Thanks for the link on this chilling report. This proves that our government is well aware of the terrorist cancer that is growing right under our noses.
"Islamberg not the only jihadist compound in the U.S."
So why aren't we importing more Muslims into our country? Don't we desperately need more diversity and multiculturalism? How did we ever get along without them before?
Don't despair, though, our brilliant leaders in Washington D.C. will correct this oversight on our part.
With millions of East Africans and Arabs pouring into our beloved America, we will surely be a better place in the future. And with Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Keith Ellison calling the shots, we might even create a paradise here on this earth.
I hope millions of Americans don't rise up and put a stop to it. Think of how unhappy a nation we would be.
champ
I hope so...
Well aware of it and understanding why it occures however are two different things. This report was produced by a grant from the Justice Dept. The Justice Dept. puts the statement below:
"Opinions or points of view expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the official position or policies of the U.S. Department of Justice."
Thus the report is still under review. I suspect like any large organization there are many in the FBI and Justice Dept. who get it and understand what needs to be done but alas there are also many who are blind. What worries me is the leadership is blind and thus I can only conclude the people they appoint are also blind.
In truth groups like Fuqra should not be allowed to set up compounds in the US nor should groups like the Muslim Brotherhood (in another Jihadwatch posting today) be in New Jersey. These compounds must be closed at once. The people involved charged with crimes (like treason) or deported.
Remember there were reports like this before 9-11 talking about using planes to hit U.S. targets and clear examples of cells within the U.S. They too were produced by the U.S. government but nobody in charge paid them any attention.
At least we know the authors of the report get it...outside of that god only knows.
Folks...something you're not taking into account, though the concerns are very valid.
Follow me on this...
It is cause for inquiriy, so I simply asked a friend of mine, who is also a JTTF regional here.
(JTTF= Joint Terrorism Task force). His reponse is a "general blanket statement" to a hypothetical (if you get what I am hinting at). I'll paraphrase the conversation, which went along these lines.
Of course the FBI's going to say they never heard of it. Standard Operating procedure, especially if something is under investigation-never divulge anything, deny if you have to to protect the case.
Countless cases have been blown because the public demanded answers to something they weren't done with, only to have it thrown out because it was forced into the public eye.
Would you tip off the enemy as to your position?
It also takes up even more time having to explain their position if they DO say so, since the people are invariably going to want to know in turn "well, what are you going to do about it???", requiring even more attention to the subject, only to force the enemy to run for cover underground, and ya lose the target.
If they DO admit they're aware and/or monitoring these animals, it will guarantee a tipoff to the islamists, only to end up with yet another frivolous "john doe"-type lawsuit against the FBI, bogging down the agency even further, diverting funds to defend themselves instead of fighting these maniacs.
(it's been an ongoing tactic by anti-establishment radicals for ages, only it's widespread now since it copycatted by numerous offshoot agencies, and islamists who see what works to thwart attempts by authorities to stop them)
So they're not going to tipoff the enemy as to their activities, even if they are aware of it.
The anxiety is understandable, but they want to nail the animals, not scare them off, only tohave to start all over again...and that's IF they find the target again.
The FBI may have a PC infestation problem, but they're not that stupid.
jcom972
The FBI is aware and have made that clear. The question aware of what?
What I mean is the FBI has already been to the compound in Islamberg. They have pictures on the internet if you wish to see them..
http://www.iqou-moa.org/muslim_scouts/index.htm
They have visited and Islamberg is considered a part of the solution to finding "moderate muslims". Maybe...
Maybe the FBI is is pretending to be close but in truth know full well what these folks are up too. My only problem with that theory is they have known this organization Jamaat ul-Fuqra which really runs Islamberg supports terror. So does the Muslim Brotherhood. Just list them as terrorist supporting organizations and round them up and close their shops up. We have done that with Hamas and others. Why are they not doing the same with Jamaat ul-Fuqra or for that matter the Muslim Brotherhood? They have made their views clear and they are foreign based organizations not protected by our constitution.
This gets us back to the point of this site which is the view that the central ideas of Jihad come from Islam itself. Many in the FBI and Justice Dept. don't think that is true. They think moderate muslims are out there and maybe if we communicate with them they will tell us were the "really bad terrorist" are. If the FBI thinks Jamaat ul-Fuqra is such an organization (or god forbid the Muslim Brotherhood) then they are wasting their time.
We shall see won't we...I have my doubts.
jcom972
"The FBI may have a PC infestation problem, but they're not that stupid."
A PC infestation is not a good sign of intelligence...
:)
The Branch Davidians were burned out for alot less.
True, greatcomet:
It's not, especially since the absolute opposite of PC is the age-old, tried & true effective way of life:
common sense
jcom972
common sense!
Don't you know that went out of style along time ago with America kicking ass in war...
They can be liberal (Clinton) or they could be conservative (G.W.) but in the end it is still the same...
Welcome to the age of the hippie!
:)
"The Branch Davidians were burned out for alot less."
Balrog,
The FBI woudn't dare do to these groups what they did to the Branch Davidians. You would never hear the end of it. The investigations, prosecutions and charges of "racism", would never end.
If our Government can go in and arrest Militia for possessing weapons..etc...why the hell can't they go in this Islamic Compounds and confiscate weapons and explosive making materials. We already know they are anti-american's. They are here making plans to attack us from within.
We must be right stupid to allow them to have compounds to live on and do what they please which will be treason against America...and because they are considered an organization..they live tax free....WOW!
How many American's on here live like that. I have to pay my taxes or lose my car, home and land..
Seems this is a problem in the USA. On our blog we are tracking the Houston Taliban training camps.
http://realterror.wordpress.com
The Feds can clamp down on a moonshine still or a meth lab, but are unable to clamp down on a terrorist training camp....
LOL exsgtbrown!
Well, they are failing on many levels. They are loosing the battle of the minds on the internet and on land.
We will loose our country if we let them continue to operate. 9/11 already proved that we Americans lost some of America because of some SAUDI wacks.