Outrage at the Judeo-Christian tradition in Australia. Muslims immigrants must maintain and assert their identity, but the native population is not allowed to do so. Of course, it's the "Judeo" part that really has their back up. By Ben Packham for The Courier-Mail, with thanks to all who sent this in:
MUSLIMS are outraged that prospective citizens will have to acknowledge the Judeo-Christian tradition as the basis of Australia's values system.Australia's peak Muslim body said the proposed citizenship question - revealed in the Herald Sun - was disturbing and potentially divisive.
Australian Federation of Islamic Councils president Dr Ameer Ali said the "Abrahamic tradition" or "universal values" would be less divisive ways of describing the nation's moral base.
Dr Ali said use of the term Judeo-Christian was the result of "WWII guilt", and before 1945 Australia would have been called only Christian.
"That question must be rephrased," he said.
Dr Ali was backed by Democrats senator Lyn Allison, who said the answer to the question was highly debatable.
But Immigration Minister Kevin Andrews stood firm on the merit of the question.
Mr Andrews said Australia's Judeo-Christian heritage was indisputable historical fact.
"We are not asking people to subscribe to the Judeo-Christian ethic," he said.
"We are simply stating a fact that this is part of the heritage of Australia in terms of its foundation.
"This is not an exercise in political correctness. It is trying to state what has been the case and still is the case."
muslims will soon be running the west under all these present administrations. i complained and signed a petition agaisnt a super mosque in the UK and the government sent me a veiled threat. so much for democracy. here it is...
"The Government believes that where controversial issues such as this arise, all involved should ensure that discussions are conducted in a manner that respects the views of all sections of our communities and in a way that does not raise tensions in local areas."
"raise tensions"??? tensions? are they afraid of these cultural imperialists? yes, they are!!!! basically it's shut up or we face civil war from the muslims.
"It is trying to state what has been the case and still is the case."
And what, God willing, will always be the case.
Why is it that Western P.C. controlled societies always seem to feel it necessary to apologize for their Judeo/Christian traditions? If the muslim hoards can't except this then they need not apply for citizen ship in superior cultures.
These islamites need to know what the two fingered salute means. The Aussies will know!
An interview with Bruce Bawer author of While Europe Slept.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/05182007/watch2.html
The Citizen Test is bound to be divisive. Its important to note that its not just Muslims that are 'outraged'. Many left wing humanitarian types are also opposed to the test. They have this European political ideology that culture is only important if its not your own. I know people that work for the Australian Government; they just don't understand the value of their history and culture. I recommend anyone interested in the shared values of the English speaking nations to read James Bennett's "The Anglosphere: Why the English Speaking Nations Will Lead the 21st Century". It has nothing to do with race but everything to do with culture and the history of financial, legal institutions originating in the UK, very clearly set apart from the rest of Europe.
Far too little work has been done to explore the links between the history of capitalism and why it works and efforts to reform the Muslim world. Hugh is totally correct about the futility of trying to impose democracy in the Middle East. It is something that you cannot graft onto any culture.
See Jim Bennett's blog:
http://anglosphere.com/
Go back to Mecca.
No Jews or Christians or Hindus or Buddhists or Taoists or Jains or Zoroastrians or Wiccans or Agnostics or Atheists allowed.
Be happy. Go rotate around the Ka'aba.
Or, in laymen's terms:
Get the F**k out of here!
LOL, go rotate around the Ka'aba. profitsbeard, you crack me up...
At the rate things are going here in the US, we're probably not far behind Aussieland.
"That question must be rephrased," he said.
Making demands, are we?
Or should we consider this a threat?
GTFO, moslems! WE HATE YOU!
And for good reason!
"That question must be rephrased," he said.
Dr Ali was backed by Democrats senator Lyn Allison, who said the answer to the question was highly debatable.
Isn't it interesting.. anything that calls itself 'democrats' these days is highly accomodationist and dhimmi at the same time..
No wonder the repubes over here think they have free reign now. They practically have no reasonable opposition.
"That question must be rephrased," he said.
Making demands, are we?
Or should we consider this a threat?
GTFO, moslems! WE HATE YOU!
And for good reason!
Ameer Ali is considered a 'moderate'- which actually means he is a sly, cunning, more patient jihadist:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/05/19/australia-muslim-outrage-at-citizen-test/
"That question must be rephrased."
And if it ISN'T rephrased, then what? Ah, of course: the musulmen will start to overturn other people's cars in the streets and BURN them while shouting "Allahu akhbar!"
How have we sunk this low, that a tiny (so far ) minority of newcomers can make not only demands, but thinly veiled THREATS and there are always plenty of dhimmi IMBECILES who grovel and bootlick.
The only appropriate responses to these arrogant ingrate "newcomers" should be OUTRAGE, followed by EXPULSION.
Australia is looking better all the time.
Bravo.
This is an excellent way of separating the sheep from the goats.
Don't like this question? Fine with us, back you go.
Thanks for the tip, mate!
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Make mohammedan outrage work for you.
Kung Fu at it's finest.
From the article
But that's the whole point: they are not "universal values". They are the result of a very particular religious and historical development in particular geographic regions. People spent their lives in scholarly and philosophical work developing those values; people put their lives at risk to put those values into action; people died protecting those values.
Australian values can be influenced by the U.S. Bill of Rights, which could be influenced by the British Magna Carta, which could be influenced by Greek democracy.
But Islam cannot be influenced by any of it, because Islam can only be influenced by the word of Allah, as transcribed 1400 years ago by Muhammad. Anything beyond that is the corrupt innovation of man.
They claim to share our values as being "universal", even as they violently denounce our values for being corrupt and blasphemous.
They claim participation in, and credit for, our values while simultaneously attempting to overthrow those values.
They demand the right to leave the violence and intolerance of Dar al-Islam, and demand the right to come here to live among the infidels in Dar al-Harb, and demand the right to bring the violent and intolerant beliefs of Islam with them and impose them here.
No.
The question perfectly divides those who come to Australia to be part of its culture and those who go there with the purpose of destroying that value system. This type of questioning should be done in every Western country. Carry on the process to deport those who seek to undermine the value system even if they are already in the country. Islam is alien to Democracy and to the Judeo-Christian value system. Let them go home an participate in their theocratic fascist value systems.
The country started as a convict colony, and it's first parson was known as the "flogging parson" because he whipping the convicts.
I don't think that Australia has ever been particularly religious or christian in any way.
PS
He enjoyed whipping the convicts, was what I meant to say.
A federal election approaches in Australia.
I shall strike while the iron is hot: the PM and Leader of the Opposition, and the federal government's Defence, Immigration, Education and Foreign Affairs ministers (and their Shadows) will soon be receiving short, sharp letters about Islam.
Personally, I don't think a 'citizenship test' is quite what I want. I don't fear immigration as such, or different languages or ethnic groups as such - all I'm worried about is the Muslims! The Confucian Chinese, the Buddhist Vietnamese, the Indian Hindus and Sikhs - and lots of jet-black, barely literate but exceedingly devout and family-minded Anglican or Catholic Sudanese refugees from jihad - have settled down very nicely in Australia and are causing no trouble at all. Nope: it's only the Muslims kicking up a stink, and getting caught making plots, and comparing non-Muslim Aussie girls to cat's meat.
The Judeo-Christian thing isn't the half of it. I don't think it would be any different if we were a Native Australian confederation asking that people intending to reside here should show respect for the laws of the land (such as reciprocity, and asking before you take game from another tribe's territory), or a Hindu or Buddhist country seeking respect for dharma, or Confucian, asking for assent to the tao...or if instead of 'Judeo-Christian' 'Australian values' we were asking people to affirm the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Muslims would STILL be whingeing and refusing to sign on. Because they don't acknowledge or recognise ANY 'kafir' system whatever - be it Jewish, Christian, Buddhist, Australian Aboriginal, you name it. If we asked them simply to affirm the Golden Rule - 'Do as you would be done by' - I am not sure that they would be willing to do even that - for as Ali Sina points out, when one looks into it, Islam does not teach the Golden Rule.
I shall email Mr Andrews, tell him to dig his toes in, and give him a selection of juicy quotes from the Qur'an in order to show him exactly where this Muslim outrage is coming from. The Shadow Minister for Immigration will get exactly the same letter.
wow! France and Australia are becoming more and more anti-dhimmis. Mooselimbs must be getting desperate. For now, they can whine to the liberals and shout "islamophobia" as much as they wish, however, as time goes on, I think even many civic minded liberals will realise that islamo-fascism hinders freedom.
Judeo = Jewish.
"WWII guilt" = Western Christian "guilt" over the Holocaust.
"That question must be rephrased" = We're not acknowledging anything that gives Jews any credit especially if it's based on the lie of the Holocaust.
Man, those folks are racist and Jew-phobic and strident about it!
Judeo-christian tradition is worth preserving.
Western countries should accept nothing less of new citizens than their acknowledgement and allegiance to Judeo-Christian traditions/values. I think this is great.
great article..By Ole Jørgen Anfindsen, Oslo, Norway(posted elsewhere by Fjordman)
editor, HonestThinking (ole at honestThinking.org)
"Sometimes we make things too complicated. This article is an attempt at explaining, using as few words as possible, why Europe in particular, and the entire Western world in general, is in a deep crisis. This explanation will be followed by a brief discussion of some possible objections, after which several sobering facts and quotes are provided. The article is wrapped up with some concluding thoughts and remarks.
My pessimism on behalf of the Western civilization rests on the following simple observation: Somewhere, somehow, there has to be a limit to the amount of diversity a society can handle without becoming dysfunctional."
http://www.honestthinking.org/en/pub/HT.2007.05.19.OJA.The_crisis_of_the_West.htm
Judeo-Christian values are not the same thing as a Jewish-Christian state. Just about any religion in the world can fit in nicely in a country based on Judeo-Christian values because almost all the main religions in the world follow the 'Golden Rule' which is the essence of Judeo-Christian values. That is almost all religions except Islam. There is no golden rule in islam. The Koran makes it very clear how infidels are to be treated, and that can't be undone or erased.
..from the Anfindsen article..
"There are multiple reasons why Islamists will gain by ethnic diversity growing uncontrollably in the West First, this will in itself weaken our societies, destroying the foundation for well-functioning democracies and creating a need for a totalitarian ideology that can clean up the multicultural mess by bringing the sum total of essential differences below the critical threshold."
ominous:"..need for totalitarian ideology.."
Leon the pig farmer got letter from government:
"The Government believes that where controversial issues such as this arise, all involved should ensure that discussions are conducted in a manner that respects the views of all sections of our communities and in a way that does not raise tensions in local areas."
Ole sez,"
"The adherents of the multicultural project seem determined to ensure that their political Titanic continues full steam ahead, no matter what the future cost in terms of human lives and societal breakdown. These people deserve to be labeled multicynical."
But, and this puzzles me, if I wanted, as a uk citizen, to go and live in Australia, I'd have to jump through loads of hoops to apply for citizenship.
So, how do all these third world half wits and spongers manage to do it?
I'd love to know?
Just than question is illegal in America and any government officate who think that way will be dismiss as than racist bigot.
DefenderofIsLame how shall we describe the discrimination against non-Muslims (usually Christians) by Islamic governments and, specifically, by their citizens? And those citizens who want to come to Christian countries? And those citizens who are now living in Christian countries?
"Dr Ali said use of the term Judeo-Christian was the result of "WWII guilt", and before 1945 Australia would have been called only Christian."
Dr. Ali is mistaken. There is no "WWII guilt" here, nor any reason for any guilt.
The predominate religious faith here is Christian, though the Jews have also contributed greatly to this nation.
Our first Governor, Arthur Phillip, was a Jew. He brought the First Fleet to Australia, and established the first colony (Sydney). One story regarding the nature of this man...
Shortly after arriving in Sydney Cove, Arthur Phillip went out in a long boat with some Marines to explore Sydney Harbour. They landed on a beach at the northern entrance to the harbour where they were quickly surrounded by a mob of hostile aboriginies. One of them threw a spear which hit Phillip and lodged in his shoulder - Phillip's first reaction was to forbid the Marines from firing on the aborigines.
Our most successful general, John Monash, was a Jew. Monash led the Australian troops in WWI in France and Belguim, and was a very successful leader. Monash developed a military strategy which he called "rolling war", which used mechanised armour and air power together with infantry to defeat the German army. Monash brought the senseless slaughter in the trenches to an end, and took the war right up to the German border. Note that the German Army employed his strategy at the outset of WWII, though they renamed it Blitzkreig (an invention of an Aussie Jew).
Our first Australian born Governor General (the highest ranking person in the land) was Sir Isaac Isaacs, which isn't your typical Anglo-Irish Aussie name.
The Jews have played an important role in the development in this country, and I (Christian gentile) salute them for their contribution.
No, Dr. Ali, you are wrong. This is indeed a Judeao-Christian nation, and long may it remain so.
While we're on the subject of the Jewish contribution to Australia - our very first Western-style composer (I phrase it this way so as not to denigrate the very considerable musical gifts of indigenous Australian ethnies) was a Jew - Sir Isaac Nathan. He was not brilliant, but he was the first. He is still remembered - primarily because he took an interest in Aboriginal Australian corroboree songs in New South Wales and wrote many down, so not only the words but the music were preserved for posterity. I have seen his grave, in a tiny historic Anglican cemetery in inner Sydney.
More Jews: another Governor-General, Sir Zelman Cowan (sorry if I've got his name wrong).
Dr Luise Hercus, brilliant salvage linguist, whose family fled from Austria ahead of the shoah. Her life's work here has been a profoundly Jewish act, the monumental and meticulous recording of a mass of indigenous languages from many parts of south/ south-eastern Australia, some patiently taken down from the very last living speaker.
Judith Cassab, painter and diarist - a Shoah survivor.
Many Jewish philanthropists, activists and lawyers have assisted Native (Aboriginal) Australians in their struggles for recognition and justice.
Sure, there have been a few spectacular 'bad eggs', corrupt businessmen and so on (the corruption of the best is usually the worst) - but the Jewish community, never large, has richly blessed Australia. So acknowledging Jews alongside the Christians is entirely proper, and has nothing to do with 'holocaust guilt'. (Someone should pin Dr Ameer Ali to the wall re. his sneaky little attempt to 'divide and conquer' - y'know, I think the thing that really gives Muslims nightmares is the idea of Jews and Christians TEAMING UP).
I don't know either face to face or online any Australian pagans who doubt that as a matter of historical fact Australia was built on Jewish and mainly Christian values, or who would think that Dr Ameer Ali's "Abrahamic tradition" would be identical with "universal values" in the sense of including and protecting pagans, polytheists and "idol-worshipers" as fully equal citizens.
This prospective citizenship test is a good way of sorting out people who are so pushy and so deeply in denial about the rights of others (or the superior rights that they imagine their own religion ought to have) that a simple recitation of some uncontroversial local history is unacceptable to them. A test that keeps out crazies like that helps protect us all, regardless of whether we are Jewish or Christian.
"Just than question is illegal in America and any government officate who think that way will be dismiss as than racist bigot."
Posted by: DefenderofIslam
No sweetheart, it's only illegal in your small mind with your wishful thinking. We're onto you and American's are waking up in droves and taking issue with whining foreigners who want to subvert our laws and enslave our people. Your never ending mantra of racist, bigot, racist, bigot, racist, bigot really is getting old. Don't you have anything else to dazzle us in your bag of tricks?
I didn't think so. God bless you though.
Defender ofIslam
May I ask why you came to America when you could have lived in an Islamic country? From which country have you come from?? Is Sharia Law practised there??? How are Christians and other Non Muslims treated there????
Name ONE Muhammedan who ever contributed ANYTHING at all to Australia (or any other infidel host nation) just name ONE!
Anything in science, the arts, medicine, academia?
Just name ONE Muhammedan doing anything other than ripping off the infidel host nation and sucking the life-blood out of it?
I'm waiting with baited breath...
The sound of crickets in the background is overwhelming!
The world is becoming anti-Islamic and it is about time...all this Islamic violence is beginning to work against them...
....yep, and it is time to Ban Muslim Immigration...