An old friendship -- and political correctness -- at odds with common sense and contemporary realities.
By Jane Perlez for the New York Times, :
LONDON, May 1 — Omar Khyam, the ringleader of the thwarted London bomb plot who was sentenced to life imprisonment on Monday, showed the potential for disaffected young men to be lured as terrorists, a threat that British officials said they would have to contend with for a generation.Omar Khyam in northern Pakistan in 2003. On a previous visit, he took up the cause of Kashmir.
But the 25-year-old Mr. Khyam, a Briton of Pakistani descent, also personifies a larger and more immediate concern: as a British citizen, he could have entered the United States without a visa, like many of an estimated 800,000 other Britons of Pakistani origin.
American officials, citing the number of terror plots in Britain involving Britons with ties to Pakistan, expressed concern over the visa loophole. In recent months, the homeland security secretary, Michael Chertoff, has opened talks with the government here on how to curb the access of British citizens of Pakistani origin to the United States.
At the moment, the British are resistant, fearing that restrictions on the group of Britons would incur a backlash from a population that has always sided with the Labor Party. The Americans say they are hesitant to push too hard and embarrass their staunch ally in the Iraq war, Prime Minister Tony Blair, as he prepares to step down from office.
Among the options that have been put on the table, according to British officials, was the most onerous option to Britain, that of canceling the entire visa waiver program that allows all Britons entry to the United States without a visa. Another option, politically fraught as it is, would be to single out Britons of Pakistani origin, requiring them to make visa applications for the United States.
Rather than impose any visa restrictions, the British government has told Washington it would prefer if the Americans simply deported Britons who failed screening once they arrived at an airport in the United States, British officials said. The British also screen at their end, and share intelligence with the Americans.
But Washington feels strongly, Mr. Chertoff has said, that it has the right to build controls against terrorists from Britain who do not have a prior criminal record — precisely the kind of man Mr. Khyam was until he was arrested in early 2004 and put on trial for plotting to blow up targets like a major London nightclub and a popular suburban shopping mall.
Greetings:
Let me see if I have this right.
As an American citizen, I need a passport to get on an airplane and our goverment is worried about requiring visas for foreigners?
Great work, guys.
Revoke the waiver program. It's a no brainer that, with the Jihad-induced Islamic World War we're fighting, every border crossing should be North Korean in nature.
Canadians are also required to have a passport (that's to fly to the United States); land crossings are currently exempt, but soon a land crossing will also require a passport. So, I would expect the British should not be given a waiver (nor any other member of the EU). I believe GW has turned thumbs down to an EU request to allow all 27 EU countries a visa waiver (right now 15 European countries have a visa-waiver into the U.S.; the 12 newest EU countries don't yet have a visa waiver, but want one.)
It should be as easy as: Waive visa's for any non-Muslim whites.
If you're Muslim, you should not be allowed access to the United States, unless you're a bonafide businessman or diplomat from a Muslim country, being able to enter on a very restricted visa.
Since this will reveal nothing al Qaeda is not operationally taught from the Russian GRU:
First, when one has Flying Imams raising Mecca to keep attention on airlines where people are looking at dark skinned people.....
Second, protocol dictates you administer 2 red herrings in European white Muslims and immigrant Britons.......
Third, to cover up the real objective of Cuban manufactured Canadian and America passports distributed via comrades in Nicaragua to westernized looking al Qaeda agents.....
Fourth, they are already in America, in place and awaiting to strike having all the manufactured Bekaa Valley American dollars funding the operations.
Briton is a designed feint like Islam is the designed feint. Now Chertoff knows this as much as President Bush knows this, but it is time Americans start being aware beyond Oprah in the afternoon just what is coming as the terrorists are flushed now and are moving to the west.
bush al-saud, KSA, & islam:
"In April, when President Bush hosted then-Crown Prince, now King Abdullah, in Crawford, Texas, the two leaders set out bold plans to reinvigorate the strong friendship between the two nations. Key among these goals was to increase the number of young Saudis who enjoyed the opportunity to study in the United States. The strong demand for visas to study in the United States is clear evidence of the success of this cooperative effort. Through December first of this year, the Embassy processed almost 7000 student visas for study in the United States while maintaining the highest level of security awareness in our processing procedures. This is compared to 647 student visas issued in all of 2004."
"In addition to the huge increase in demand for student visas, overall visa issuances to Saudi citizens increased from 16,004 in 2004 to 27,657 in 2005."
http://riyadh.usembassy.gov/saudi-arabia/Visa_Issues_headline.html
Internal enemies before external enemies.
I disagree with the second option of singling out only British Muslims. The British govt will definitely not agree with that one, knowing how much they appease the Muslim community. Plus, there are many non-Pakistani or African Muslims too. One of the 7/7 bombers was a Jamaican. And with this recent fertilizer plot, one of the guys was named Anthony Garcia. It may just be a good idea to ditch the visa waiver program. And not just for the UK, but for the other visa waiver countries, including Canada.
Omar Khyam, ostensibly a variation of Omar Khayyam of Rubaiyat fame.
Do any of these violent muslims have real names, or are all of them operating under an alias, taking self-aggrandizing pseudonyms like hip hop rappers with dubious dispositions.
(That's a rhetorical question, requiring no question mark.)
glad i recently got my US citizenship. now i can fight (legally and demcratically) on both sides of the pond!
Yep, you can thank Islam for tighter security and longer lineups and waits at airports, and border crossings and billions of dollars of your hard earned tax money being spent on security in U.S. and U.K., Australia, Canada. Because of Islam, and they're the buggers to blame; we are losing are freedoms to travel from Canada to U.S. without Visas, now a passport will be required. Soon and it's not far away, Canadians will require visas to cross into the U.S. AND THANKS TO ISLAM!
"Omar Khyam, the ringleader of the thwarted London bomb plot who was sentenced to life imprisonment on Monday, showed the potential for disaffected young men to be lured as terrorists, a threat that British officials said they would have to contend with for a generation."
"Contend with for a generation"? Why Is Britain resigned to doing nothing about the problem?
Neither Britain, nor any other Western nation, has to resign itself to being a victim of Islam.
Stop all Muslim immigration into the country, and then start working on deporting the ones already there.
It's called self-defense. Period.
Congratulations, Leon!
Glad to have you as a fellow citizen!
Impossible to single out muslims: how do you even know who is a muslim? Obviously, terrorists would simply lie! So the whole visa waiving system must be stopped.
As for Guillermox's suggestion re using melanin content of people's skin: are you trying to get this site into disrepute? Nobody here so far has made racist suggestions on this topic (or on any other, to my knowledge), and I wish your melanin-related comment would be removed!!!
The US economy to a certain degree depends on tourism; British people who are NOT Islamic terrorists do not like to be treated as potential terrorists anymore than American travelers do (and we can always use their business if they are good citizens of their home country).
I was recently in France and got treated at the airport as if I was a potential threat to national security at both US and French customs and it was an experience that I felt unnecessarily penalized travelers and would like to see improved. There is probably an acceptable solution to handling this problem.
Certainly adjustments in policy have got to be enacted, but if these become too rigorous they can backfire and hurt our nation's tourism trade and overall economy. As a matter of fact, there is evidence that overzealous security at our airports already HAS damaged the US travel industry. Many people from around the world are already upset at the way the security and customs at American airports treat travelers, and many now refuse to come back here (and I am NOT talking about terrorists).
Many people at Jihad Watch are going to post that this is a necessary casualty in the war against Islamic terrorism but personally I hesitate to punish people friendly to America that want to come here and see our homeland. On the other hand neither do I care to see any more Islamic terrorists arrive on our shores (from Britain or anywhere). The time for writing off tourism from the national economy is not yet upon us-- but that time is coming fast upon us.
Perhaps one answer here would be for the UK government to work more closely with the US government and prepare for our government more extensive lists of names (perferably with photographs) of Islamic British citizens that have ties or suspected ties to Islamic terrorist organizations and the various names that they operate under. This would leave us in a stronger position to deal with the problem without punishing people we don't need to punishing.
Leon-
Well done. Visit Maryland and have a pint (or 3) on me.
I don't see how we can place limits on ethnic groups from within the UK, and I don't see how just excluding Paki descent would save us from the likes of Richard Reid (Hey, now! Any relation to Harrry?)
There seems to be some confusion here about passports and visas.
A passport is issued as ID from your home country.
A Visa is a permit to enter another country for a variety of reasons.
I think it's fairly clear that the U.S. can't single out Muslims for special scrutiny -- that we all know would never, ever work. Nor (in terms of reality) can anyone expect that only Briton would be singled out (in terms of requiring all Brits to obtain a visa prior to visiting the U.S.) I think it's much more an all-or-nothing proposal (with respect to all 27 member countries of the EU). Currently, 15 EU countries have visa-free travel (12 EU countries, recent members to the EU, do not have visa-free travel to the U.S.). I say, require visas from all member EU states -- end of story.
If they closed the loopholes then how would they track the terrorists that don't get into the U.S.?
END SARACASM!!
Politicians close loopholes?.....
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Sorry it took me a while to get off the floor i was laughing so hard.
A politician closing a loophole is like a muslim denouncing jihad.ARE YOU CRAZY,NUTSY FAGON,OFF YOUR ROCKER?
I agree with Lili - end the entire visa waiving program with all countries. Right now, Europeans are covered by the visa waiving program, but South Koreans aren't. Yet, Europe has millions of Muslims who would like to be in on an attack on the US. South Korea, comparitively doesn't have such a threat. Yet, South Koreans have to go through the same visa requirements as third world countries, while Muslims citizens of Europe can just walk in.
End this program. As it is, better filtering is needed both into and out of the US. Require everybody to have passport while travelling between countries. That way, every country gets a chance to screen all entrants, and confirm that they are okay to visit. Granted, there will still be a slim chance of a jihadi coming through, but at least, the magnitude of that is being minimized.
Incidentally, Lili, I didn't see Guillermox make any melanin comments above, unless that already got deleted. But visible signals of Islam - the filthy beards, the skullcaps, the black klan outfits for women - those people should be denied entry. Then hunt for others - such as Muslims who may be disguised as Westerners.
"It should be as easy as: Waive visa's for any non-Muslim whites.
If you're Muslim, you should not be allowed access to the United States, unless you're a bonafide businessman or diplomat from a Muslim country, being able to enter on a very restricted visa.
Posted by: Guillermox"
Infidel Pride,
I think Lili is talking about the first line of Guillermox's post.
"Neither Britain, nor any other Western nation, has to resign itself to being a victim of Islam.
Stop all Muslim immigration into the country, and then start working on deporting the ones already there.
It's called self-defense. Period."
rational,
I couldn't agree more. Why should anyone accept this ridiculous assault on western freedom.
I would only add ... EXECUTE THOSE GUILTY OF TREASON!
Just don't let any Muslims in the country (unless they're diplomats or bonified businessmen). They can't make another attack here if they can't get here. For instance, it is not the "right" of Saudi males to come here and get an education for 6 years. I wish the US would take physical security seriously.
I remember posting on this subject a while back, and I wanted the USA to stop all fast track European Visas.
As a Brit it was totally unacceptable to me that terrorists living in Britain could just walk into the USA. I could not accept my country being used as a POE for these people.
If I have to queue up to get into the USA so be it, I have nothing to hide. Please can you cancel the whole fast tracked visa system for Europe, you need to do it as soon as possible.
In fact I would cancel the scheme for Britain as a matter of priority seeing as how badly infested it is with terrorists.
I have to agree with Daffersd - being an Englishman too I think it would be wise to cancel the scheme asap. A terrorist coming from England and doing something in the USA is not on
Let me make this clear - the terrorists who have just been jailed are NOT British!!! and jail is not a strong enough punishment.
OT:
Magdi Allam is in Washington to receive the Mass Media Award by the American Jewish Committee. If anyone can find a link to it, please let me know.
"American officials, citing the number of terror plots in Britain involving Britons with ties to Pakistan,..."
anyone traveling to or conducting business with Pakistan should immediately be put on a special watch program, including undercover surveillance, wiretapping, use of informants, mail surveillance, and noting the persons who the suspect communicates with...
...sound impossible?...how far would you go to save your children...
Here is Magdi's first account of his trip in the US (I hope Hugh can translate it) :
http://www.corriere.it/corrforum/corriere/ThreadPopup?forumid=291&postid=815580
"Rather than impose any visa restrictions, the British government has told Washington it would prefer if the Americans simply deported Britons who failed screening once they arrived at an airport in the United States, British officials said. The British also screen at their end, and share intelligence with the Americans."
...it would be far cheaper to have Americans screening agents in UK to screen before the flight, in todays computerized world, the same data availiable in the US would instantly be availiable in the UK..as opposed to the individuals flying all the way to the US, then having to be returned all the way back to the UK...and who pays the bill for the return flight anyway?...
...I concede the immigration laws must be tightened...
Yes we in Australia enjoy the visa waiver program too. We have 300 000 Muslims of all origins here.
Funnily enough we still require US citizens to have visas to come here. They are issued basically on the spot at booking of travel but they are still there.
I do find visa waiver program convenient though.
One has to remember, the French have treated everybody else as terrorists since the 2nd Empire.
Britain and it’s sell-out Labour party has brought this crisis and all the other Islamic troubles on itself with it’s stupid multicultural immigration policies and they cannot hold it against the USA when it tries to defend itself from its threatening effects.
Yes, the USA should end this no visa loophole and institute definite ethnic & Islam profiling. The fact that such profiling would not be 100% effective is hardly an argument against it any more than that street lights don’t prevent all intersection accidents is an argument against street lights. Face it, the militant Muslims have changed the world drastically for the worse and they and their British panderers can suffer some for it.
While they are at it might want to look at non-citizians from getting guns too!!!
May 3, 2007
Yes more Islamic terrorist dead today!!
Might want to go to the Pentagon channel to see how your press is stuck on stupid??
Now why would the Islamic terrorist try to hide the fact they are dead thought they liked to show that sh-t off??
http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=28042
Europe's Islamist-Leftist Alliance
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6610873.stm
Tuesday, 1 May 2007
Al-Qaeda in Iraq leader 'killed
YEP!
http://www.beecy.net/frank/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI
More Islamic terrorist dead today!!
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
I am not Hugh, the article isn't all that interesting (and mainly written to Italians), but what the heck. This is the best light-speed quality translation $.00 can buy:
First sensations during my first visit to the United States
For the first time in my life I have set my foot in the United States, the world's superpower. The sensations have been many, still disordered, all need reassembling and clarification. Before boarding in Rome the news that reached me piecemeal by SMS signalled an accentuation of out country's preoccupation: four Italian workers abducted in Nigeria by the guerilla (a term with which one tries to ennoble those who practice terrorism, but who must not be defined as such), three Italian soldiers wounded in Afghanistan in an outrage committed by the Taliban, who are also patented terrorists recognized as such by the UN although the Prodi government has legitimized them as a political conversation partner. Then good news from Iraq: the leader of Al Qaeda has been killed, the Egyptian who succeeded to the throat-slitter Al Zarqawi. I imagined the satisfaction of Bush and all those who are seriously combatting the globalized Islamic terrorism.
On board the aircraft of United American, the same company that was involved in the tragedy of 11 September 2001, the hostesses are smiling and cordial. The fact that nearly all of them are above fifty impresses me. Just like the majority of passengers, mostly Americans, are elderly. The atmosphere is serene and jovial, and the nine hours' flight passes comfortably between a meal, a bit of reading and a nap. From above the the outskirts of Washington are immersed in green. The airport is one of extreme sobriety, and highly efficient. Twentysix degrees centigrade, spring sunshine and an intense though smoothly flowing traffic.
For the first time I pass before the White House, after having seen it thousands of times on television. At the hotel, tuning in to CNN, I listen to Bush's speech in which he announces the veto on the Congress' law conditioning the financing of American troops in Iraq on the fixation of a calendar for their withdrawal. The president, hard-faced, sustains that it would lead to a surrender to terrorism. A stiff, immediate reply from Nancy Pelosi, the Congress Speaker who at once affirmed herself as the White House's political rivel: "We will not give Bush a blank check". On Iraq there is an open clash by now. On the same day Al Qaeda suffered a heavy defeat, America is torn from within.
I hear screams. I look out of the hotel window and see young people with the American flag marching past. They are the tail of a demonstration by illegal immigrants who claim the right to legal status. Shortly after I hear the sirens. It's a fire fighting vehicle, also with a waving American flag. I realize Italy is different. The tricolore you almost only see at the football stadium when the national team is playing. Besides, every political faction has its own flag. I am worried about the destiny of the US, and it's been a while since I lost all illusions regarding the conditions of Italy. But I know that one cannot and must not resign oneself. With my best wishes for life and liberty, cordially,
Magdi Allam
There is a difference between a passport and a visa.......for those who posted but don't seem to know.
When we traveled to the U.A.E. (prior to 911)to do a 5 day job, we had to have a visa.
The real issue is money.
Think about this. First they do away with unions to protect our workers. Then corporations push to allow illegals to flood into the country for cheap labor for the jobs that SUPPOSEDLY Americans will not do (although they always did before).
Then the unpatriotic puppets in Washington do NOTHING to secure our borders (too much pressure and backhanders (campaign money) from big business).
The travel industry will not want the visas because it will inconvenience and slow down travel from foreigners coming to the US. They need their money over here. Our economy is already struggling and DON'T buy into the crap lie that we are creating thousands of jobs. CRAP jobs are NOT good jobs. CRAP jobs that pay CRAP and offer no benefits or security are NOT good jobs.
Most europeans I knew prefered travel to Europe over the US. More convenient for them and plenty of places to go for sunshine.
In addition to the travel industry not wanting the visas, the business comunity won't want them either - as it will slow down business travellers.
SO, as usual, money for the greedy is more important than security for the average American citizen.
Notice how in her first paragraph she can't say "disaffected young MUSLIM men?" Since she writes for the NYT, she's not allowed to use the word "Muslim." Now, why is that, people?
From Orwell's "1984": "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears."
Is the NYT the "Party," or what?
Sigh, am I the only one going to be surprised when the next attack on American soil, comes from home grown American Islamic terrorists?
Sadly, Ian, I and many others believe that's the only way for the PC Dhimmis to wake up. And perhaps Muslim immigration to our shores would be stopped, which would be a day to celebrate! Forever!
leonthepigfarmer proclaims:
"glad i recently got my US citizenship. now i can fight (legally and demcratically) on both sides of the pond!"
Leon, congratulations!!
Well done! Now, let me invite you to become a Texan, the sooner the better.
And, remember, we drive on the right and drink our beer COLD.
"As a matter of fact, there is evidence that overzealous security at our airports already HAS damaged the US travel industry. Many people from around the world are already upset at the way the security and customs at American airports treat travelers, and many now refuse to come back here (and I am NOT talking about terrorists)."
Pythagoras,
NOTHING did more damage to the US travel industry than 9/11. What caused it? Our willingness to accept people from all over the world and assume they came in friendship and would act in good faith.
Americans have suffered far more than foreigners from all the restrictions put in place. They have made me reluctant to fly. I've driven to places that I would previously have flown to because the airport screenings and luggage restrictions and wait times made driving on a crowded highway preferable to flying the friendly skies. I can only imagine what it's like for business travelers who fly two or more times a week. They are paying the price for the actions of foreigners against Americans.
Foreigners need to understand what they have put us through and just get over it. If the people of the world are upset at the security restrictions in American airports they have two options: they can boycott America or they can help us fight the Islamist threat. It seems they are content to do the former. Then they will never experience all the good things that America has to offer, and it's their loss.
How will a list of Islamic British citizens that have ties or suspected ties to Islamic terror organizations be of any use? It would only give us a false sense of security.
We have ample evidence that Islam's new strategy is to use people who have NEVER had any involvement in terror. They are students and the young adults who appear to be fully a part of British society. They have been raised with all the advantages of Western society and yet all they can do is plot how to kill infidels. No matter how much surveillance is done, MI5 can't figure out what is in the back of their minds as they go about their daily business. They don't wear black hats so we can't single them out from the "peaceful" Muslims who only want to visit the US. Their religion sanctions lying so you can't even be sure the "peaceful" ones really are. That leaves just one option: bar the door.
There are a lot already here but that doesn't mean we can't stanch the flow.
Bingo,
We shouldn't let businessmen in either. Usama's relatives are businessmen. The businessmen are the ones with the money. Only the diplomats should be allowed in. That puts the onus on their governments. They send in a "diplomat" who aids and abets terrorism and their country will soon be in the dustbin of history.
The businessmen have ample means of conducting commerce without setting foot on US soil. They can hire Americans or they can use the internet or the telephone.
I like this. They spend their money, they fly here and then we say "hmmm, looks like they might be a muslims". We question them, make them spend 3 days in detention even though we know they are muslim and then we help them use their return ticket to go back (sorry Britain.) Well, after we implant the tracking device in them.
Posted by: boxter
Of course that assumes the plane arrives safely.
Better to keep them from boarding in the first place.
Lame Cherry why pick lame I just don't see that?
Just a reminder??
http://www.robesus.com/usanthem.html
Oh, say can you see, by the dawn's early light,
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming?
And the rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?
On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, now conceals, now discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines on the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! O long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has wiped out their foul footstep's pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
YES THIS IS WHAT AMERICA IS MADE OF!!
REMEMBER AMERICA HAS WARNED YOU ENGLAND THESE PEOPLE [MONSTERS] ARE STILL SEEN TO BE A DANGER!!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/view/
YES
LIKE TOMMY FRANKS SAID WE ARE IN THIS FIGHT WE CAN FIGHT IT OVER HERE OR OVER THERE I PICK OVER THERE!!
sympathy?
We need to learn and keep in mind that word sympathy is in the dictionary between the words SH_T and SYPHILIS!!!
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=17959
Terror Denial
By Robert Spencer
| May 6, 2005
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2005/01/004555print.html
January 05, 2005
East Boston street gang linked to Al-Qaeda
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004515.php#comments
January 02, 2005
At large in the US? Over 3,500 illegal immigrants from Muslim countries who have disobeyed orders to leave the country
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2005/01/004508print.html
January 02, 2005
Bolshevik revolution offers analogies for 21st-century Islamic jihad
June 14, 2005
http://www.foehammer.net/2005/06/thoughts.html
VIDEO IN NYC OF CRAZY MULSUMS!!!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122619,00.html
REMEMBER WHO THIS GUY IS??
Man Charged in Ohio Mall Blast Plot
Monday, June 14, 2004
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=16844
Israel's Enemies Within
THE LEFT ARE A DANGER TO THE WHOLE WORLD??
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/022.shtml
Islam Under the Swastika
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/022.shtml
Kama Division
http://washingtontimes.com/functions/print.php?StoryID=20050711-122335-4234r
The Washington Times
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=13§ion=0&article=65814&d=23&m=6&y=2005
Child Molestation — a Serious Approach Needed
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/10/international/europe/10qaeda.html?hp&ex=1120968000&en=b50d65cef3786c79&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=login
July 10, 2005
For a Decade, London Thrived as a Busy Crossroads of Terror
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.htm
Pre-World War II
http://palestinename.com/nazi_jihad.jpg
http://www.serbianna.com/columns/savich/006.shtml
The Holocaust in Bosnia-Hercegovina, 1941-1945
by Carl K. Savich
World War I began in Bosnia, one of the bloodiest and most horrific wars in the history of mankind, ushering in the twentieth century. The Russo-Turkish War of 1877-78Ýsprang from the 1875 insurrection in Bosnia-Hercegovina. During World War II, Bosnia-Hercegovina was one of the bloodiest battlefields of the war and of the Holocaust.
HELLO THAT’S MULSUMS AGAINST CHRISTIANS??
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/06/23/fsbterror.shtml
Russia’s FSB Claims Terrorists Arriving in Chechnya From Europe
Created: 23.06.2005
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/binl.htm
Bin Laden in the Balkans
[Re-Posted with additional materials, 3 October 2001
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45479
Muslim nations throttle
U.N. terror resolution
Criticism of suicide bombers censored by global body's Islamic member states
Posted: July 28, 2005
NOW WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT??
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165418,00.html
Virginia Tech Blasted Over Sex-Segregated Classes for Saudis
Thursday, August 11, 2005
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B79AA902274DEF22841248AAF1EEA0DC?displayContent=133977&page=2
X-187
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B79AA902274DEF22841248AAF1EEA0DC?displayContent=133802&page=2
Something’s best not forgotten
http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do;jsessionid=B79AA902274DEF22841248AAF1EEA0DC?displayContent=133698&page=3
Let’s hope they don’t lose their nerve
I know this is a lot of info but sometimes it is good to remember.
Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN
...I concede the immigration laws must be tightened...
Posted by: exsgtbrown
...remember... you don't want these people in your neighborhood...
And with this recent fertilizer plot, one of the guys was named Anthony Garcia. It may just be a good idea to ditch the visa waiver program. And not just for the UK, but for the other visa waiver countries, including Canada.
Posted by: wrathofasma
Actually the guy is a Paki or something. He changed his name because they thought his light skin might make him a particular "asset" in combination with a more Euro sounding name.
PMK:
Quit the lecturing! I do not agree with you and I never said you had to agree with me.
However, I never said a line doesn't need to be drawn here because it does. But I think your approach is heading us up a slippery slope that will lead ultimately to zero entrance for visitors to America. Anyone COULD possibly be a Muslim!!!! You never know...
But, the statistics do not confirm your asssertion about the travel industry in the US.
The American travel industry recovered from 9-11 to its pre-9/11 with annual visitors to the US still over 50 million strong.
By discouraging visitors from coming to America as you will do with your approach, you are going to hurt America in 3 ways. First other countries--many of them anti-American-- can and will pick up the slack and take advantage of their economic gains to hurt us on the world stage, secondly the loss in foreign exchange could help drain our resources to fight terrorism and, 3 overly aggressive entry requirements may further weaken America's image internationally. NOW--
#14 of "Islam's 20 Point Plan to Take Over America is to "Undermine America's sense of security with misinformation of impending attacks on bridges, tunnels, AIRPORTS, apartment buildings and malls." Please re-read this.
What #14 is really doing is attempting to instill paranoia in Americans to weaken our country and you I regret to say are a good example of this. And by taking such a combative approach on this issue you are permitting Islam to succeed--the leaders of the Muslim world WANT YOU TO FEEL PARANOIA and you certainly are. HAs it occurred to you that you may be permitting Muslims to feel victorious when you let THEM dictate our travel requirements?
Has it occurred to you that we are transmitting the message that we AFRAID of Islam without meaning to? If that is the message we send out, that could embolden Islam too. There's planty of Muslims hiding on US territory, need I remind you?
Although I do agree with the notion of better safe than sorry, we are not safe the way things stand now anyway now and by undermining the US travel we industry we could up sorry by having a weakened economy which will not help us win the war on terror.
Hrrrmmmmmm
If the US tightens up on Visa requirements tommorrow, the FBI should go and arrest the Queen & Prince Philip and deport them for failing to have a valid Visa.
The sad thing here as we attempt to close barn doors while the cows are hoofing it down the road.
The sad thing is that as I remember it the 9/11 hijackers HAD visas!
Back to the drawing board, Chertoff.
I think we should ask, no tell George Tenet to give his pay from being head of CIA back. I heard him on O'Reilly last nite and was terribly disappointed that such a wuss ran such an important agency. CIA director = cabinet member.
Cabinet member = access and advice to the President. Not cowering in your office and writing a book later to cover your...
Want a good laugh. The Arabs held a tourist market show and the only representatvies form the US was Homeland Security. Not even Universal Studios or Dizzy showed up.
http://my.earthlink.net/article/gen?guid=20070503/46395e40_3ca6_1552620070503336468126
What did you expect, auntbea?:
He was an appointee of an empty-suit.
Chris Hitchens did a segment on him.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=28110
That's the mild version compared to Jack Wheeler (originator of the Reagan Doctrine)who called it:
Under George Tenet, the CIA waged a covert war against the Bush Presidency. Under Porter Goss, it is not. Porter has been weeding out the "Rogue Weasels" ever since he took over Langley in September of last year. MZM was set up by and is riddled with RWs.
I first told you about the Rogue Weasels a year ago in The CIA in Deep Qaaqaa . Before then, I explained how the CIA is a left-wing agency in Porter At The Pass . Here's an excerpt:
"Most folks think the CIA is a right-wing outfit. It is not. The CIA has been dominated by incompetent left-wing hyper-liberals for years. The worst mistake of George Bush's presidency was not replacing Clinton holdover George Tenet as CIA Director. This is a guy responsible for the single greatest intelligence failure in US history (being unaware of 9-11), who sweet talked his way into Bush's confidence and was able to keep his job because he named the CIA Headquarters after his father.
"The CIA doesn't simply live in a pre-September 11 world where terrorism is only a "nuisance" - it is that the CIA lives in a left-wing world, the same left-wing world as the State Department. Both worship at the Shrine of Accommodation, Appeasement, and Compromise. Both Langley and Foggy Bottom bureaucrats hate George Bush for alienating the Euroweenies and taking the fight to the Moslem terrorists. Both are working overtime to do what they can to secure Bush's defeat."
...and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
PMK:
Foreigners need to understand what they have put us through and just get over it. If the people of the world are upset at the security restrictions in American airports they have two options: they can boycott America or they can help us fight the Islamist threat.
I am not upset. It is a pain and chore, but I understand the necessity. Any anger I feel is directed at Muslims for causing this problem in the first place. But it also works both ways. You have Muslims on your soil, and they could damage other parts of the Western world. So by that criterion, Visa entry requirements might apply to Americans as well.
But on the "help us fight the Islamist threat":
LOL.
No Western Government, not even the USA is properly fighting the Islamic threat. There is not a single Western Government who can name the enemy or come up with a strategy to fight them.
Not Bush, not Blair, not Merkel, not Sarkozy, not Howard.
I saw recently the tussels between Bush & Pelosi and it is painful. I would applaud both if they could correctly name who the enemy is and were deliberating on strategy. But they cant even do that.
How can the rest of the world, help the USA if the USA is so confused that none of its leaders know who the enemy is?
That leaves just one option: bar the door.
Sure. But invite and welcome all those friendly Saudi Arabian students Bush agreed with King Abdullah. And all those American born Muslims in Dearborn, they are trustworthy, right?
See what I mean?
Until Western leaders can correctly name who the enemy is, all strategic moves are meaningless. It is like being blind.
wrathofasma:
I disagree with the second option of singling out only British Muslims. The British govt will definitely not agree with that one, knowing how much they appease the Muslim community.
Well it wont at the moment.
And it wont if it still holds to the tenets of politcal correctness.
But if all Western Governments correctly understood who the enemy was, it might.
And with the new-style Biometric Passports with chips, Governments could easily hold additional information like Religion and Ethnic Origin without informing anyone that this infomration is stored.
Government 1 could then say to Government 2:
"Do not allow Muslims of Algerian, Pakistani, French, Moroccan origin to leave the country for here."
And that would work.
Pythagoras,
What happened, I hit a nerve?
I never said you had to agree with me. I'm as entitled to my opinion as you are to yours, so what's your problem? Can't take it that others don't agree with YOU?
Just answer this:
WHEN WILL THE REST OF THE WORLD, INCLUDING ALL MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE WORLD, BE REQUIRED TO ASSUME THEIR SHARE OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR STOPPING ALL THE KILLING BEING DONE IN THE NAME OF ISLAM?
Here was my approach:
"If the people of the world are upset at the security restrictions in American airports they have two options: they can boycott America or they can help us fight the Islamist threat. It seems they are content to do the former. Then they will never experience all the good things that America has to offer, and it's their loss."
We are under a fatwa. All I said was that the people who are so offended by our security measures need to get a grip. If they can't deal with the added security then they don't have to come. If they would join us in the fight then maybe we could eliminate the threat and get on with our lives.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT?
I never said the travel industry hadn't recovered. However, you can't ignore the fact that we are under incredible restrictions ever since 9/11 and they just keep getting worse.
Our luggage is unlocked and we have to trust that airport security people won't take anything while the luggage is out of our sight.
The shoes are a minor inconvenience, but it still shouldn't be this way.
Now, as a result of that plot to use baby bottles to carry liquid explosive we can't even bring a bottle of water on an airplane. I have to buy travel size toiletries, which cost more. All because Muslims can't get it in their heads that the world is not theirs.
Business travelers have it the worst. That has nothing to do with stock prices and volume.
And BTW, if "The American travel industry recovered from 9-11 to its pre-9/11 with annual visitors to the US still over 50 million strong." then obviously our security measures aren't proving to be such a damper on travel, are they?
Some people's feelings are hurt because we take a second look at them. Buddy, they've earned it. I haven't seen any SIZABLE number of Muslims call for an end to jihad against the West. Until they do, they're suspect. We're at war, a war they declared almost ten years ago. What would have been your reaction if we had Germans traveling freely to America during WWWII?
In your superior way you ask: "Has it occurred to you that you may be permitting Muslims to feel victorious when you let THEM dictate our travel requirements?"
Well Pythagoras, the government dictated my travel requirements after 9/11. I made a choice. Not because I was afraid to fly but because, on two occasions, I found driving to be a better way to get where I wanted to go. A three hour wait at the airport isn't worth it anymore. The Muslims caused that. So they won. They won on 9/13, when the flight I was supposed to take to Florida was grounded because some pilot uniforms were missing.
I don't care if they feel victorious. I don't care what they feel. They were welcomed into this country and they stabbed us in the back. I know that they have shown me that they have no business even coming to America unless and until they renounce VIOLENT jihad and throw out all the imams who preach it. I don't give a fig what they think about me or my feelings about them. Do you worry that criminals will feel victorious when you lock your car or your front door or your desk? Of course not. That's a silly argument to make.
I never said we shouldn't have visitors to America. Do you read? This country takes in over a million people a year. I was saying that if "visitors" to America (like the Brits who would have blown up trans-Atlantic jets, killing many Americans) are so impatient with American security procedures then they don't have to come here. No one's forcing them.
What's your stake in this? Do you hold stock in travel companies or are you a travel industry employee?
I wasn't lecturing. You were just being obtuse.
The "feelings" of people who are not under threat just don't concern me. If they want America to once again become the open place it can be then it's up to them to join us in the fight. If they won't join us then I don't give a rat's behind what they think.
I suggest you read Mr. Spencer's compilation: The Myth of Islamic Tolerance.
You will see that Islam doesn't accept the idea that the life of a non-Muslim has any value. And that is modern Muslims, not fourteen centuries ago.
You should also realize that the US, by itself, cannot win the war on ISLAMIC terror. As long as we have "friends" like Saudi Arabia we don't need enemies.
Of course "anyone can be a Muslim". We have a huge Muslim community in this country. Guess what? We weren't attacked by American Muslims. We were attacked by foreign-born Muslims.
What is wrong with demanding a total moratorium on MUSLIM travel to this country as long as MUSLIMS around the world justify the killing of non-Muslims wherever they find them? They picked this fight. We didn't.
"Until Western leaders can correctly name who the enemy is, all strategic moves are meaningless. It is like being blind."
UK Infidel Lover,
I agree with everything you say. Other countries want to screen Americans, let them. I think most already do. Do you know a country that is easier to get in and out of?
"Sure. But invite and welcome all those friendly Saudi Arabian students Bush agreed with King Abdullah. And all those American born Muslims in Dearborn, they are trustworthy, right?
See what I mean?"
I DO see what you mean and I agree completely. So do many Americans. We just can't get this through to our leaders. They are still hung up on the idea that Islam was "hijacked", just like those planes. With "friends" like the Saudis no one needs an enemy.
Pythagoras thinks we are wrong to make some people feel funny when we question them at the airport. The problem is most Americans are affected by these same inconveniences, lest we offend anyone. We have Muslims in this country. We've had some join the jihad. There's that guy Adam something who appears on the al-Jazeera videos. And we have John Walker Lindh who was found in Afghanistan and is now in prison. One thing we can say however is that American Muslims have not engaged in attacks on civilians. There have been many attacks by Muslims on Americans, like the man who drove over his classmates, but they were all born and spent a considerable part of their early lives outside the US. American-born Muslims have not taken to this jihad in anywhere close to the numbers that European and Middle Eastern Muslims have. Please correct me if need be.
The most radical mosques in America are led by foreign-born imams. Bar the door to foreign-born Muslims and you take care of a good part of the problem, at least to the point where you can begin to get a handle on it.
auntbea,
Have you heard about Universal Studios? They are building their fourth theme park in Dubai.
Execs from the United Arab Emirates-based Tatweer have launched the $2 billion Universal City Dubailand in partnership with Universal Parks & Resorts.
The 505-acre development will include a 149-acre Universal theme park along with more than 4,000 hotel rooms, 100 restaurants and a range of retail outlets.
The theme park will be Universal's fourth, after existing parks in Los Angeles, Orlando and Tokyo. Rides will center on the likes of "Jurassic Park" and "King Kong," with Steven Spielberg acting as creative consultant. Park is due to open in 2010. Majority of park will be indoors, given Dubai's soaring temperatures.
“I wasn't lecturing. You were just being obtuse.”
Priceless.
PMK-
Don't Universal and Steven (Isn't he Jewish?) Spielberg understand that no Jews will be allowed in their Dubai development?
Guess they'll have to rename one theme ride "JewRacist Park" from "Jurassic" to satisfy the anti-semitic locals.
Islam being a dinosaur, mentally, it'll work fine.
Time to email Universal.
Q-What can't a kosher Tyrannosaurus eat?
A-Jurassic Pork.
it does not matter if the us government changes the visa waiver program all they have to do is fly to mexico and wander into texas or arizona
Makes the case for religious-ideological profiling. "Racial" profiling won't cut it. Paki Moslems and Hindu Indians cannot be readily distinguished by that, neither can it differentiate between Christian and Moslem Arabs.
Implementing it under the present visa procedures is impossible.
Can these procedures be changed? Yes. Will they be changed? No.
So? We are where we always are: helpless.
Who is to blame? The people who run the show. Not us.
PMK:
One thing we can say however is that American Muslims have not engaged in attacks on civilians.
Given time, unfortunately that may happen.
American-born Muslims have not taken to this jihad in anywhere close to the numbers that European and Middle Eastern Muslims have. Please correct me if need be.
I think you are correct. I think America on this issue is 30-60 years behind Europe. It might never come to America if the Hispanics avoid Islam.
Bar the door to foreign-born Muslims and you take care of a good part of the problem, at least to the point where you can begin to get a handle on it.
It is a good policy. It will slow the development of Islam right down.