Commissioned by the Prince of Wales. What a surprise. The Hermeneutic of Continuity blog reports (thanks to Rather Not Say):
Westminster Cathedral has attracted the notice Private Eye. In the current edition, there is a piece on page 12 "Music and Musicians" reporting on a new work by John Taverner, commissioned by the Prince of Wales that is to be performed in the Cathedral. According to the article:It is based on the Koran and sets the 99 names of Allah to music, to be intoned over an hour and a half with choir, full orchestra and Tibetan gongs.
The same blog points out that the same Cathedral played host to another form of Islamic expression not too long ago, as we noted here at the time:
The 99 Names of Allah (intone at your own risk):
1)al-Nutjob.
2)Beelzebubba.
3)Camelrumpfever.
4)Faux-Yaweh.
5)MakesDevilFartInFear.
6)SnakeOilApotheosis.
7)ClamsCasinoRoyalePainInTheAss.
8)ScaredofPigsDogsMusicandPictures.
9)IsaAin'tMyKid.
10)HeadHeadhunter.
11)MolochRedux.
12)BrainEaterInChief.
13)Pazuzu,II.
14)72VirginsToGo-Go.
15)Moned,Backwards.
(and 84 more just as ad absurdum....)
Pazuzu, LOL. I head that the good Prince of Walles is a secret Muslim so this really isn't a surprise. When (if) he becomes king, wouldn't he head the Church of England as well? How's that going to work?
Uhm, Tibetan gongs? Am I the only one who kind of sees a problem with that?
What the Hell. Really, what the Hell.
A musical based on the Qur'an.
What is that? One thousand years of silence?
There is no joy in Islam.
I cant think of a more worth while effort for the Prince of Wales or a better use for Westminster Cathedral.With the exceprtion of going on a hajji to Mecca and being a mosque.
Westiminster Cathedral, or The True-Born Londoner's Lament (to the tune made famous by Petula Clark):
Westminster Cathedral, you're bringing us down
You stood and you watched as they took over our town
You could have done something but you just didn't try
You didn't do nothing, while they just multiply
And so on.
"It is based on the Koran and sets the 99 names of Allah to music, to be intoned over an hour and a half with choir, full orchestra and Tibetan gongs."
All set to the tune '99 Bottles of Beer on the Wall'
I think, from a muslim point of view, this will turn Westminster Cathedral into a mosque, since it has been used to praise the Koran and Islam.
Muslims will just take this cathedral over as a mosque from now on.
Also, this is complete proof that Prince Charles really IS a muslim.
Prince Charles, becoming King of England, you have got to be joking. The female Queens of the Windsors Kings tend to live very long indeed. The age at which the last four Queens died was Queen Alexandra 91 Queen Mary 89 Queen consort Wallace Simpson 90, the much loved Queen Mum or to give here her proper title Queen Elisabeth 101. Do you think that the present day Queen is stupid she doesn't smoke drink, unlike her Mother who lived to 101, and she has got her mothers genes. She is highly respected, there has never been one hint of scandal during her reign, which is more than can be said for Queen Victoria. The only scandals that have arisen have been from the males of her line and that includes her husband. You might not agree with the monarchy but on has to respect her sense of duty. She certainly takes her Coronation oath seriously, she will reign until she dies. She also understands the problems that were caused when her Uncle abdicated in 1936 and her father who didn't want to reign was forced to take on the office of King. The sense of duty that she inherited from her father and the long life that she has inherited from her mother, will mean that she will out live her progeny by a good no. of years. If Prince Charles by some unlucky quirk of fate does ascend to the throne as King Charles III and declares himself defender of ALL the faiths, then the shit will hit the fan, he will have broken his Coronation oath and that will be grounds for removing him from the throne. I will certain not recognized him as my King. If he continues in this way he will alienate the majority of the indigenous population. He is doing it now with this farce in Westminster Cathedral. Present day Kings should follow not lead.
Wonder how prince charlie's missus feels about mohammedanism? In particular, wonder how she feels about allah's eternal, perfect declaration in the koran that's it's okay for men to beat their wives?
The prince is certainly a useful fool. Bad luck he wasn't born in the mideast as a mohammedan. And its the Brits bad luck the Prince of Wales has no b***s.
ah yes, another version of making a "silk purse from a sow's ear"
I shouldn't have been so hard on the prince. After all, he's been a terrible victim of circumstances, deprived of his human rights as a royal, forced to be rich, well educated, widely travelled, with a beautiful wife, a loving mistress and two adorable boys. Of course, he'd turn to mohammedanism as a cure for the terrible hardships he's endured.
What does the endless parade of Christians genuflecting before the altar of Aisha's Hubby signify, what may be the implications a century or so into the future?
Guilt and self hatred are the standard reasons given as to why there seems to be less and less assertiveness on behalf of Christian churches when challenged by Mohammedanism; while concluding anything definitive about such a collective phenomenon is impossible, it may be easier to deduct at least one possible road where this may land Christianity in the future.
So, extrapolating the demographic trends as well as the often cited fact of Islam being the fastest growing religion/belief system, is it inconceivable that we are witnessing the first steps of a mutiny on the ship of Christ - i.e., sections of Christianity segregating from, well, Christocentricity, in a vain hope of being admitted into the "church" of Mohammed, thus salvaging at least portions of Christian doctrines?
Given the fact that untold numbers of Christian clergymen (and this certainly applies here in Denmark as well) "respect" Mohammed in a grovelling fashion, could a vain hope of forging a syncretistic new religion/belief system be what motivates these dhimmis?
Full orchestra? How Islamophobic.
Or, maybe it's ok for dawah. It'll attract the types who uncritically embrace anything non-Western as purer and more fundamental to the human spirit, in a manner at once self-despising, and yet with patronizing, primitivist undertones.
Then when Sharia is in place, the dawah peddlers and their converts will have a bonfire with the oboes, clarinets, bassoons, English horns, piano, and stringed instruments.
~with choir, full orchestra and Tibetan gongs.
Wouldn't RPG and IED explosions, the rumble of buildings crumbling, glass breaking, women ululating and mothers wailing be more artistic, if not realistic?
Why can't Chucky be more like Edward VII? All he fiddled with was women.
Now I thought Tibetans were 100 %
BUDDHISTS...Realise this 'Prince of Sardines'[referring to his brain size not his ancestor Edward V111's,Duke of Windsor,'s puny member] is Dim as a burnt out light bulb but he really ought to have known Music is HARAM not to mention using 'IDOLATER'S' accompaniement could
lead to SJS-SUDDEN JIHAD SYNDROME!!
A DEAFENING GONG FROM A PRINCELY NONG
What blasphemy this is that a noble place such as Westminster should be sullied with things islamic. Several years ago when I walked upon Westminster Abby’s venerable stones, I was utterly awe struck by over 1000 years of English Greatness. And then to consider the hallowed burials contained therein by Western giants such as Sir Winston Churchill, Isaac Newton, and Henry Purcell – all to be blasphemed with such filth! Those notables will surely all be turning in their graves at the awful derges of ‘99 names of Allah’ while the Prince of Wales can content himself with the possibility a prayer rug in return for his shameful commission from some appreciative Saudi prince.
This is going to suck, big time. Apart from the fact that they're singing Allah's 99 names, this is also going to be quite boring, so this probably won't get any converts over. Because we know how bright a lot of Muslim converts are.
Sounds like the performance good day to protest outside/inside the cathedral expressing one's displeasure
Prince Charles will not change the wording of the oath. He will continue to be “Defender of the faith”. The oath was not changed when Britain stopped being catholic. There is no stipulation which faith king should defend. Legally it is still the catholic faith.
Charles can take the oath without hesitation even if he is a muslim.
As for the church, I hate to tell you “I told you so”, but I did. Many times on this blog I was telling that that fighting jihad from a religious position is wrong. Religions have too much in common and there is a certain solidarity between most of the members of clergy of all religions. There is not one original thought in Koran, everything can be found in Jewish and Christian texts including jazia, status of a non-believer, women issues and so on. Sometimes taken a bit further (for the reason of circumstances) but still in the same line.
Maybe they should call it "Springtime for Mohammed and Mecca"!
PONG...Religions have much in common and there is a certain solidarity between most of the members of clergy of all religions.
That is true to some extent, but it is not an absolute. I dont think Hindu priests are especially fond of Imams, as an example. There are many Christian clergy who are on to Islam, or getting there. We all know Imams ect, are supremists, and you cant have solidarity, or brotherhood, when one is supreme and the other is not.
Pong: There is not one original thought in Koran, everything can be found in Jewish and Christian texts including jazia, status of a non-believer, women issues and so on.
This is not exactly true,(except about no originality), while Mohammad stole all the Bibical references, and put them in Quran, no one stole anything Islamic and put it in the Bible. If the Bible and the Quran are similar, then why not translate the Bible into Arabic, and all muslims can become Jews or Christians...
BTW, did you notice the 'Jesus is the slave of Allah' sign? No Christian is going for that, which is exactly why that muslim carries that sign. It's rubbing it in Christian faces. Not because it is true, but because it is such a damned lie.
Not only that but those signs were not made by the idiots carrying them...
"there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. (Bukhari 7.69.494v)"
-- from the article above
Note to self: Must try all of these just as soon as I can.
In this same lofty spirit of interfaith ecumenicalism we can surely expect reciprical events singing the praises of Jesus and Christianity inside London's largest mosque, right?
Bloody hell.
The house of Windsor too ?!?!?!?
Guess I saw it coming, but still ...
It is based on the Koran and sets the 99 names of Allah to music, to be intoned over an hour and a half with choir, full orchestra and Tibetan gongs.
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This is ironic, considering music, especially vocal music, is considered Harem in the Hadith.
It is even sadder, that John, an Orthodox Christian, would choose such text.
This is most likely being done in a another Christian attempt at "religious dicussion" and "mutual understanding."
Whee!
Dear Holger Dansker,
Yes, I've also heard talk that Charles will also want to be known as 'The Defender of Faiths' not just of the faith. On our coins there are the two initials F.D., which stand for Fidei Defensor, meaning the Defender of the Faith in Latin. I presume that the plural has the same two initials.
By the way, Charles doesn't want to be known as Charles III, but as something else. Much like how his great-uncle, whom he resembles even in posture and gait, was known as David before he became Edward VIII.
The composer's name is in fact Tavener, not Taverner.
John Taverner was another English composer born around 1490.
Sorry to sound petty, but I didn't want anyone to confuse them.
IF this story is true...(how reliable is the source? Has anyone checked with Tavener himself?)
Yes - Tavener is a convert to Eastern Orthodoxy. Given the sufferings of Eastern Orthodox (Greek, Russian, Bulgarian, Serb, etc) under Muslim domination, I am flabbergasted that Tavener would lend himself to this hideous piece of dhimmitude.
Someone needs to send him Bat Ye'or's two books - The Dhimmi, and The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam - and tell him to go talk to her. Someone needs to remind him about the sack of Constantinople in 1453, and the massacre of the worshippers in Hagia Sophia.
I will write to Tavener, I think. I will tell him how much I have enjoyed some of his other work; and I will send him a copy of the 'Tears of Jihad' article, as found on the website of the Centre for the Study of Political Islam, and an account of the martyrdom of those three Christians (one German, two Turkish converts) in Turkey just this month. I will beg and implore him to screw up his courage, say his prayers, and write us a requiem (or whatever the Orthodox equivalent is) for all the victims of jihad. For all those Muslims who became Christians - or some other faith - and were promptly murdered, even by their nearest and dearest. For all those Jews, and Christians, and Hindus, and Buddhists, who were and are being mercilessly slaughtered, or raped, or enslaved, or kidnapped, or tortured.
A further note - when is this event going to come off, IF indeed it is going to happen? Once the date and time are known, surely some kind of silent protest should be in order. A group of UK jihadwatchers - including, perhaps, Jews, Orthodox, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, Pakistani Christians, and others - might sit outside in traditional mourning garb as culturally appropriate, with large placards stating the estimated numbers of people directly killed by the ROP since its inception, along with estimated numbers raped and/ or enslaved.
Dear descendantofacrusader,
I am sorry to tell you that Churchill is not buried in Westminster. We Brits would have willing buried him with our kings, but being the great commoner that he was he refused, he is buried among the common people in the beautiful village churchyard at Bladon Oxfordshire. Check these two links out and you can see for yourself.
http://www.cotswolds-calling.com/woodstock/Blenheim-6.jpg
http://www.cotswolds-calling.com/woodstock/Blenheim-7.jpg
Is this Westminster Abbey OR Westminster Cathedral? The Cathedral is the Catholic cathedral in London, and the Abbey, is well, the Abbey, or Her Majesty's chapel. There is a difference. If it's the Cathedral, now that is funny because Charles as future head of the Anglican (Church of England), is running around in both Catholic buildings and sporting a definite moonbat belief. Can't bode well for Merrie Olde England!
Holger Dansker:
I stand corrected as Winston Churchill is not actually buried in Westminster but is, however, officially ‘commemorated’ as is William Shakespeare,Oscar Wild, and even Martin Luther King Jr. Small distinction but true none the less and my original point still stands. Suffice to say that Westminster is a litany of greatness regarding English history. Thank you for your correction.
I cannot find any evidence for this story. Prince Charles as an (nominal) Anglican would normally have nothing to do with the Catholic Westminster Cathedral. And the link here http://www.westminstercathedral.org.uk/music/music_diary.html shows nothing upcoming by John Taverner.
I have also googled John Taverner and Westminster Abbey and found nothing.
I stand Corrected:
http://angelqueen.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14406
THIS IS A FANTASTIC OPPORTUNITY FOR RESISTANCE.
I hope that the jihadwatchers in London will out there distributing suitable literature to the idiots paying up to £24 to watch this rubbish.
I also found this Cathedral blog http://westminstercathedral.blogspot.com/
The performance will be by the (who else) BBC Symphony Chorus.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/orchestras/symphonyorchestra/concert_diary/index.shtml?2007_06
Tuesday 19 June 2007, 7.30pm
Ticket prices: £24; £20; £16; £12; £8
Westminster Cathedral, , London
Programme includes:
TAVENER The Beautiful Names (world premiere)
Jiri Belohlavek conductor
John Mark Ainsley tenor
BBC Symphony Chorus
The Choristers of Westminster Cathedral
The new-Byzantine glories, visual and aural, of John Francis Bentley's Westminster Cathedral have often played host to the music of John Tavener. Any Tavener premiere is an event. The world premiere of his large-scale choral work, The Beautiful Names, demands red-letter attention. This is the latest in a growing series of compositions influenced by the 'universalist' philosophy of the Swiss mystic and poet Fritjhof Schuon. The work’s title refers to the 99 Names of Allah as culled from the Qur'an and uses adult and boys's voices, celestial trumpets, gongs, drums and Tibetan temple bells to create a unique musical world.
chuck; future king of England: YOU SUCK!
britishoppression.com
a massive demo is being planned for june by islamic extremists. check out their web site. they praise the muslim "Conquerors" of spain yet denounce the war on terror.
if this demo is allowed to happen then the only good news will be a swing to the right by the british voters.
the organisers have called for muslims to "rise up". this is an open call for militancy, a revolt, these people do not want democracy but isalmic rule in the UK.
Hugh-
Can't picture you in silk, somehow.
(Seeing something more like Ernest Hemingway ...without the monosyllables.)
I see, Sebastien, that you have the same idea I do - this sickening piece of spiritual grovelling to Islam is potentially a terrific opportunity for resistance and public education. Someone posting in response to the notice about it on angelqueen was suggesting the following: "I wish a group of Catholic Londoners, would gather outside the Cathedral during the concert to sing the Litany of the Holy Name and the Credo, then recite some prayers of reparation."
It isn't on until June 19. That means that UK anti-dhimmis have three weeks to organise a really, really good civil protest, centred on the Cathedral and environs, running all day and right up to and during the time of the concert. Get cracking, please!
Something peaceful and civilised and creative and really attractive, and as you say, Sebastien, with suitable well-researched handouts. A book table? Testimonies from jihad refugees? Bp Patrick Sookhdeo might be able to find such people.
I had initially thought of silent mourners. But the idea of a group of Catholics chanting the Litany of the Holy Name is excellent. Maybe, too, the redoubtable Melanie Phillips, author of 'Londonistan', might be able to round up a minyan of Jewish guys complete with a really good cantor, to sing the Mourners' Kaddish. The families of those who were slaughtered in the London jihad bombing could, perhaps, be contacted and invited to take part if they felt able.
Look, I'm on the other side of the world. All I can contribute is ideas, and prayers.
Charles and Mr Tavener - and the Cathedral - HAVE to be called out' on this one. They're insulting the memory of all those Londoners who were slaughtered by the train and bus bombings so very, very recently.
Hi Dumbledoresarmy
I am in Paris and do what I can when there is a similar event here. Its difficult to get more than 3 or 4 people involved in such a thing, but even this few makes a real difference.
We have in French, a double sided sheet of A4 with the truth about Islam, Mohammed and Koran. It has been handed out at many events and we tell the people to leave them in public places once they have read them.
We get a lot of angry dhimmis of course but many people who are grateful for what we have done and even join us in our quest.
Can this abomination be stopped? Is there a petition somewhere?
Reading this item made me feel physically ill. Born in England, I still feel strong ties to my English and Scottish roots, and mourn what Great Britain is becoming.
Ninty Nine names for Allah, is a very easy song.
Ninty nine names of Allah on the wall, ninty nine names if Allah, take one down and pass it around, ninty eight names of Allah of Allah on the wall.
Ninty eight names of Allah on the wall, ninty eight banes of Allah, take one down and pass it around, ninty seven names of Allah on the wall.
Soon it will get down to one and blip out. Who cares, they will all get drunk singing it...
I have sent an email to
Abhreception@rcdow.org.uk
Sirs,
I was upset to read that you are allowing a musical performance based on the Koran, that sets the 99 names of Allah to music (by the bbc symphony orchestra) to be intoned over an hour and a half with choir, full orchestra and Tibetan gongs.
It shows an amazing ignorance of the koran and its teachings--To think that these are the people not so long ago standing outside with placards "islam will conquer Rome" and "Jesus is the slave of allah"
>QUOTE...... "It will be a respectful, reverent event and we're not anticipating problems,"......UNQUOTE said a spokesman.
It is certainly not showing respect, and what message is it sending, to the many Christians(who are strong in their faith) and peoples of different beliefs being harassed and murdered throughout the world in the name of islam-what comfort could the bible publishers in Turkey take from this--What message is this sending to those who are persecuted and trying to maintain their faith in adversity--Shame on you
Consider :- Jesus threw the usurers and moneylenders out of the temple--- and here you are allowing the proven antithesis of Christianity access to God's house calling it a respectful and reverent event,
It seems that you have lost your way and possibly your religion.
Yours in disgust
The logical response seems to me to be to organize a concert of Christian music inside a mosque. Surely most of London's peaceful, open-minded Muslim community would be in favour of this? (I'm holding my breath...)
Great work, Sebastien.
And angloirishslav - yep, good point.
Great work, Sebastien.
And angloirishslav - yep, good point.
But if one should happen to fall. . . .we can call him ..allah! no mo-allah no mohallah-,no MOHAMMED and that is how he got his name. . . .they are one in the S s ame'. . . .
"if this demo is allowed to happen then the only good news will be a swing to the right by the british voters."
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer
...it will also give the security forces excellant video of the participants (who, no doubt, have the death of UK on their minds), and these individuals can then be marked for more extreme undercover surveillance....then, again, we probably already know most of them....and from which mosque they operate from....
...mosques are nothing more that military operations centers...
Don't you all realise that Charles will NEVER be King. England will be Islamic before his turn comes.