"Top Australian cleric says he backs Hizbollah," from Reuters:
SYDNEY - Australia’s top Shia Muslim cleric has said he supports the Hizbollah militant group and attacked the Australian government for “defending terrorism” because of its support for Israel.
Hooray, a top cleric condemns "terrorism!" But who are the "terrorists," according to this cleric?
Kamal Mousselmani, head of the Supreme Islamic Shia Council of Australia, told the Weekend Australian newspaper in an interview published on Saturday that Australia was encouraging people to “kill our people daily”.
“If Australia supports Israel, they are defending terrorism. Because we believe terrorists come from Israel — not from our people. I support Hizbollah,” Mousselmani said in the interview, which the paper said was conducted in Arabic.
The comments come after a series of controversies involving Australian Muslim clerics.
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Australia has about 280,000 Muslims, of whom about 30,000 are Shia.
Mousselmani said Australia’s Shia community avidly supported Hizbollah and hated Israel, but insisted neither he nor Hizbollah condoned suicide bombings.
“We are against the suicide bombings going on around the world. And Hizbollah is against it. Our opinion is that Hizbollah is not a terrorist group.”
Of course not, since he believes "terrorists come from Israel." Then, if Hizballah isn't Israeli, well, there you go.
The newspaper said that the comments came as Australian security authorities were looking into transactions between the Shia community and groups overseas.
Mousselmani said the community had sent money to victims of last year’s fighting between Hizbollah and Israel, but none of the money had gone to militants.
He said the Shia community would oppose any attack on Australia.
America's top evangelical leader supports the Judeo-Nazi state. So what's new? That's what bretherns are supposed to do.
and running naked thorugh the streets singing "MY Ding Dong"........... wont get you arrested either........
If Kamal like's Hezbollah so much the Aussies should deport him to Lebanon so he can be close to his buddie's...
Muslim, go home. Perhaps, you are really are a progressive. We don't need you, unless you can logically explain your logic. If not, go away.
Perhaps, you don't understand how many godless people populate this site.
Prediction: Australia will be the first Western nation to declare an end to religion status for Islam.
1. 280,000 people works out to around 500 plane trips. The airlift for those electing to reject apostasy could be over within 24 hours.
2. These Australian Imams seem ‘emboldened’ with a poor sense of situational awareness.
3. The Australian’s I’ve run across don’t seem to be bashful.
Go Australia. Lead the way.
I, hope you are right, pez.
What's new . The Jews are the fallguy once again. It's the Jew who is responsible for all the Muslims woes. boo hoo !
funny how it's the Jew that keeps extending it's hand in Peace and it is the Muslim that keeps biting it, isn't it?
Muslims have nothing to truly be proud of in their culture whatsoever so they despise all other success stories . I mean the Jews were near exterminated and they made the biggest comeback to prosperity in History and without hate for REAL oppressors and without VIOLENCE , and they are still somehow this villain . If it was not the Jew it would be the Christian. if it was'nt the Christian it would be the Jew and when there is noone else close by to take out all this pent up Muhammadian Evil and hate on the Muslim will serve as a suitable victim for Muslim Justice too. they love killing each other as much as they hate us .It's clear that the problem IS Islam.it should be painfully obvious. we know it and it shines through in their hate filled hearts and in their deeds .
Islam is beyond saving and beyond all redemption. It should be outlawed in the West and left to destroy itself in it's native lands. we owe them nothing!
Yes, the Israelis are the terrorists. Wanting to stop rocket attacks from a bordering nation state and trying to retrieve kidnapped soldiers is terrorism, at least to the muslim mind. I think this cleric, and anyone else who is supporting hezbollah should be deported immediately, or tried for treason. When hezbollah starts the next war with Israel, we'll see Israel being taken to task in the UN. I hope that next time Israel makes sure that hezbollah ceases to exist as an organized force.
America's top evangelical leader supports the Judeo-Nazi state. So what's new? That's what bretherns are supposed to do.
And what's wrong with supporting Hizballah? The thing is when in a free country, if a person is allowed to express his support for the Israeli defence forces then another person has every single right to support Hizballah. Hizballah are not "terrorists" like mass media in the west likes to portray them. Yes, you can make a case about Hamas being terrorists (although they're nothing but local) and banning support for them but you most definitely can't compare Hizballah to Hamas. Hizballah are not the ones sending prepubescent kids to blow themselves up in a Jerusalem restraunt. Never have, never will. That's why they're listed on the "terrorist list" in only 5 countries (pro-Israeli stooges). Not to mention the massive support they have throughout the world and Lebanon. Last year's poll during the Hizballah-Israeli war showed that 80% of Lebanese christians supported Hizballah against Israel. Are you going to tell me that even these leb christians are "terrorist sympathizers"?
WAY OT, but very disturbing ...
I had to take web based training in "Workplace Harassment" for the job I am in. Most of the course was PC tinged bullcrap, but the following module from the course really got my attention:
(The hypothetical setting is your neighbor is talking to you, and you both work for the same company.)
Workplace Harassment
Module 5: Mohammad (Employee) – Situation
I’m sorry if I seem upset, and I know you’re not my manager or anything, but as my neighbor I figured you know me pretty well. You know that I’m a good person, and, well, here we are at the same company, right?
Since I started here, almost everyone has been very respectful of my beliefs – of the fact that I don’t eat pork, that I use my work breaks for daily prayers … that sort of thing..
But yesterday I found a stick figure with a turban holding a bomb carved into my locker. My name was scratched into the paint underneath. I think my stand on terrorism is pretty clear – I don’t agree with that sort of behavior at all and find it contrary to the teachings and spirit of Islam.
Well, I went to Ralph, my team leader, and he arranged to get my locker repaired right away, which I appreciate, but he also said it’d be very difficult to find out who’d done the graffiti. He said whoever did it was probably just “blowing off steam” and didn’t realize how offensive it might be. While I appreciate his candor, and the new paint job. I feel like he just doesn’t understand how difficult my position has become here, and how upset I am because of this. I’m wondering if I should start looking around for another job. What do you think I should do?
The course stated that the following responses are correct:
Assure your neighbor that this kind of conduct is absolutely prohibited, and that the organization will treat it very seriously
Immediately report to HR or senior management that Mohammad is so offended, he is considering resigning.
A few thoughts occurred to me.
If you wanted to give an example of religious discrimination in the U.S., why not use a Christian sect or Judaism as an example? Muslims are a tiny minority here, why would this be such a "typical" case?
Notice the tepid response to terrorism, not "I abhor terrorism." or "I condemn terrorism." but just, "I don’t agree with that sort of behavior at all." Like he is thinking to himself, "mmmm, let me see now, terrorism, ... do I agree or not agree?"
... and the rest of the answer, "and find it contrary to the teachings and spirit of Islam." ... oh really? and what kind of directed to Dhimmis ROP propaganda is that crap? ... and what is this kind of stuff doing imbedded in a course on "Workplace Harassment?"
Another thought I had was could this be part of the silent Jihad being waged by the Saudi Wahhabi moneyed interests? I just think our system is under attack by these Jihadists on so many levels, and this all struck me as quite sinister.
Hizballah_Supporter , so Hizbullah are just MODERATE Jew Haters ? not actual Terrorists? ....
Whatever. I make no distinctions when dealing with Islamists . Terrorist is as Terrorist does.
"...we believe terrorists come from Israel — not from our people."
They also believe the Earth is flat and held down by mountains and that the sun sets in a muddy pool because the Qur'an says so.
Highlights from the Hezbollah Charter:
And when it becomes necessary to carry out the Holy War, each of us takes up his assignment in the fight in accordance with the injunctions of the Law, and that in the framework of the mission carried out under the tutelage of the Commanding Jurist.
For the uninitiated, that means killing, subjugating, or converting non-Muslims (you).
…our determination to fight the US is solid.
Team players.
If you, Christians, cannot tolerate that Muslims share with you certain domains of government, Allah has also made it intolerable for Muslims to participate in an unjust regime, unjust for you and for us, in a regime which is not predicated upon the prescriptions (ahkam) of religion and upon the basis of the Law (the Shari’a) as laid down by Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets.
…
We call upon you to embrace Islam so that you can be happy in this world and the next.
Tolerant guys.
We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine.
I’ll bring the beer.
http://www.eyeonislam.com/the-hezbollah-charter/
Paleologos,
They do that to us, too. "Harrasment in the Workplace", and "Ethics Training". They force-feed it to us, every single year.
The fun part about the Harassment course is that we are told that the "perception" of the "victim" is the deciding factor as to whether or not an act of harassment has taken place!
There's no defense. You'll be heard, supposedly, when you explain your side of the story, then you'll be punished.
And, you're right. Why not use a Christain sect, or Judaisim as an example? Beats me.
We had to strip any bumper stickers and the like off all of our lockers, lest someone who has no authorization to be in the area anyway, is offended by something he sees. The 'offended' party's feelings trump any explanations offered by the so-called offender.
I guess they figure we can still be indoctrinated, infected with the PC lunacy, if they keep at it, long enough.
On the upside, I have a lot of fun with the instructors, when the Q and A session begins!
From Faithfreedom.org. The first two pictures are of Hizbollah mujahideen.
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/ffi_gallery/naziism/?g2_GALLERYSID=51ad5eed4d7e71d9a071d62aea7f01b6
From Faithfreedom.org. The first two pictures are of Hizbollah mujahideen.
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Gee , why does that look Oddly familiar?
This qualifies for First Amendment protections:
1. Invite another group to convert to your religion. (9:6)
2. If they don’t convert to your religion, fight them. (9:5)
3. If you refuse to fight for the religion, you will be punished. (9:39)
4. If you are too weak to initially win physically, avoid contact with them, be bad neighbors in an effort to reduce their numbers, and grow your own. Kill their leadership if you get a chance. (5:51, 8:66, 9:107)
5. Go physical when you have the strength. (8:65)
6. When fighting them, cut off their heads. As an alternative, cut off their hands and feet and leave them to die. (8:12, 5:33)
7. After the defeat; kill, subjugate, or convert the men. Take the women. (9:29)
8. Take their stuff. (8:41)
9. Repeat until the entire world has been killed, subjugated, or converted. (2:193)
Islam is not a religion, it is a pattern of racketeering activity.
Hizba --
Israel is here to stay. It is the Jewish homeland, not the Palestinian homeland. So get over it.
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
Even if this current conflict with Israel/Palestine were resolved and the fighting ended tomorrow, you and all your jihad-junkie "brethren" will find another group of people to hate.
Eventually, you will take issue with the rest of the world, until everything and everyone is filled with the same hatred that fills you -- the same hatred that leaves you empty.
Hatred is the driving force behind Islam, and this is why it must be stopped & destroyed.
Well, the only Australian Shia whom I personally know detests, not only Hezbollah, but Ahmedinajad as well, whom she calls a dangerous lunatic. So he is wrong about at least one of his 30,000 Shias - and I doubt he can speak for all the rest either. My friend also has Israeli friends, detests Hamas, couldn't care less about Israel going on existing - and is on her way to a first-class degree after lots and lots of hard work. Just to remind the racists on this blog (and yes, I know that Islam is not a race, but that does not prevent the haters from hating every single Muslim as if it were) that not all Muslims follow this sort of trash,
[continued], that group hatred is always unjust, and, incidentally, anyone who wants to make trouble for my hard-working, inoffensive, kindly little Shia friend will have me to reckon with. I do think she is better than her faith; I would much rather she were a Catholic; but until and unless she converts, one of the best people I know is a Shia Muslim in Australia. End of story.
Well, we’ve got one character reference for 0.0000000067% of the Muslim population, story’s over, sleep well.
The Qu’ran calls for the impure to be killed. The followers profess allegiance to the Arab race and call for the impure to be killed. But there is this girl who talks to me at school and she’s nice. Therefore, those who oppose Islam are racists.
If you’re paying for it, it doesn’t count.
From Faithfreedom.org. The first two pictures are of Hizbollah mujahideen.
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/ffi_gallery/naziism/?g2_GALLERYSID=51ad5eed4d7e71d9a071d62aea7f01b6
Posted by: JTF at June 23, 2007 2:11 AM
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Hey moron, that called the "ROMAN SALUTE"! Hitler did not invent it, and they're most definitely not copying Hitlers SS.
From Faithfreedom.org. The first two pictures are of Hizbollah mujahideen.
http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/gallery2/v/ffi_gallery/naziism/?g2_GALLERYSID=51ad5eed4d7e71d9a071d62aea7f01b6
Posted by: JTF at June 23, 2007 2:11 AM
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Hey moron, that called the "ROMAN SALUTE"! Hitler did not invent it, and they're most definitely not copying Hitler's SS.
Abscedere,
Yes the PC mindset is despicable, and greatly impedes our war with the Jihadists.
But what bothered me most is how does ROP propaganda get inserted into a Workplace Harassment course? I can guess the answer, and I consider this insidious. We are being attacked on many levels ... reminds me of the John Carpenter movie, "They Live." The masses are being lulled into a deadly sleep.
Here comes Shredder; Another whore for the Arabs:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/22/peanut-khadr-is-not-alone-here-comes-shredder/
hahaha!!! a Hizballah_supporter who dares call someone else a moron. How funny!! With the inbreeding so common with your kind I would guess that moron is a common word in Arabic.
I suppose that you too believe in the coming mahdi? Do you wear the loose trousers for his arrival? You you beat yrself to bleeding to celebrate like the rest of the fools?
Or the 70 foot camel? or that jews came from pigs and monkeys? Give us a break!! Thank any God that you lot are so naive!! If you actually looked at your beliefs without the brainwashed stance you would die laughing.
Any group who has stockpiled 40K katyushas plus numerous other missiles and all aimed at the sovereign state of Israel IS a terrorist group and if I were in charge of Israel it would be a deceased group including ALL of its leaders.
I think that you take the veneer of multiculturalism inflicted upon the west as typical of all of us. That will prove to be a grave mistake. We too read your koranic rubbish and the commentaries and the crimes of your epileptic warlord. So make no mistake, you time on this plane is limited. Give up the expansionism or accept the coming fate.
I think this Australian Shite Cleric (did I spell that right? Cleric I mean LOL) needs to be introduced to the Austaralian Navy guys that met the Iranians I am sure they would have some good advice for him in language he would have no difficulty in understanding.
Hey moron, that called the "ROMAN SALUTE"! Hitler did not invent it, and they're most definitely not copying Hitlers SS.
Posted by: Hizballah_Supporter
So they stole the salute from the Romans? What does the false profit think of that? I mean, it wasnt decreed by the Big Terrorist in the sky, so is the salute kosher? If they didnt steal it from the Nazies, but the Ceasers that makes it ALLLLLL better, right?
Your a PUTZ!!!
Paolo! Paolo! Paolo! got over your rant do you feel better now? Good then let me tell you what people really hate its not Muslims its ISLAM. Now I know this is a difficult concept to get through your obviously thick skull. But let me explain, there are many many NICE Muslims hell I know lots and have married a couple. But the problem is not them its their CULT its Islam thats evil and they are good people IN SPITE of being Muslims not BECAUSE they are Muslims. There got it??
Ya know, despite the fact it's alarming, at least he's honest...that's the best part of letting such lunatics speak-that way, you can easily identify the enemy so you know who to watch out for.
Realist...you are of course correct but until they actually do something besides state their supposed position then differentiation matters not. Far too much is made of the "eversilent neverpresent islamic majority".
Like the german antiNazi resistance it is barely symbolic let alone useful and when they start to campaign against or riot against the islamic violence all across the world then most of us will recognise them. But until then they are the supposed silent majority and their effect is almost zero. Note that I do not include apostates here.
However if you want a true litmus test for the "good" muslims, then find out(note: NOT ask as that just begs taqqiya) what is their true stand upon israel. When you do this you will find very few "good" Muslims. 1400 yrs of indoctrination is very effective.
Is it "TROLL day" today?
Poor trolls. We are on to them, and they now know it,,boohoo!
Pathetic creatures who need the crutch of some murdering, raping, thieving warlord.
Hey trolls,,in your next life you may get lucky and not be born into to the death cult of pislam!
Paolo,
The women folk of the muslim creed are at the back of the mosque and not 'privileged' to hear the hate sermons that follow when the allahu ackbar routine is done, so most women of the muslim creed are somewhat nice folk that are ignorant of the quest for the 'outward' jihad. And any protest about Hezballah and or Ahmedinajad from the women folk is treated with contempt as it is coming from those whose testimony is worth half that of men folk...
Is that a TROLL as in those fools with a preference for green who put a tax on the bridge between life and death and who try to make damn sure that theirs is the only bridge left by eliminating all others?
eloivsdiablo....I do not agree with what you posted above. I think that you underestimate the effect of 1400 yrs of indoctrination upon Islamic women who seem to see their third class status as something to be proud of and who actually revel in the violent achievements of their menfolk.
Even before their children enter a madrassa they are indonctrinated into the "islamic way" by their mothers.
You can always blame the testosterone for male behaviour but when women make the same threats you just have to accept the indoctrinated malevolence of islam which diffuses down via madrassas into even children. In the Iran Iraq war there was NO shortage of child volunteers for the drawing of fire and the clearing of minefields. Their families were PROUD of their children for dying for Islam. That amount of indoctrination beggars belief.
An indoctrinated enemy of even third class status can fire a weapon, remove a head from a bound kaffir or explode a suicide belt as well as any one. They also do not see themselves as maltreated so don't underestimate their role in jihad. In jihad as in war an armed enemy approaching is a legal target, whether man, woman or even child.
Misislamist,
I don't blame it on testosterone. The ideology feeds the jihad, the rivers of honey, milk and wine and all that jazz in paradise denying the pleasures and realities of life puts 'this' life into the insignificant basket. The majority of muslim women don't know any better and are very much kept in the dark but like anyone, power absolutely corrupts. They're submissive in every way and the hardcore ones are doing somersaults to please their men folk. There's nothing in the islamic paradise for women so what other reason is there for them to follow the prophet? The women don't indoctrinate the children as they lose 'possession' when the little darlings are 3 years old. Apostates of notoriety are women who should be supported and empowered to break the bonds of this insidious ideology that has inflicted untold mental torture on its hapless victims...
Stick a short-beaked Echidna down the intolerant imam's pants and ship him back to Mecca ASAP.
Start the Mohammedans-Back-To-Mecca ball rolling Oz!
PEZ
Excellent retort. Excellent!
PAOLO,
I think a good way to test the veracity and sincerity of "good muslim friends" is to ask them a few pointed questions. Tell your friend that you see too much muslim bashing online and in the media and you'd like to tell people how wrong they are. Then, ask him to look at this St. Petersburg Declaration and follow up to see whether if your friend agrees with the entirety of this declaration and would he, if he/she needed to, sign it, to affirm his allegiance to his country.
http://secularislam.org/blog/post/SI_Blog/21/The-St-Petersburg-Declaration
We are secular Muslims, and secular persons of Muslim societies. We are believers, doubters, and unbelievers, brought together by a great struggle, not between the West and Islam, but between the free and the unfree.
We affirm the inviolable freedom of the individual conscience. We believe in the equality of all human persons.
We insist upon the separation of religion from state and the observance of universal human rights.
We find traditions of liberty, rationality, and tolerance in the rich histories of pre-Islamic and Islamic societies. These values do not belong to the West or the East; they are the common moral heritage of humankind.
We see no colonialism, racism, or so-called “Islamaphobia” in submitting Islamic practices to criticism or condemnation when they violate human reason or rights.
We call on the governments of the world to
reject Sharia law, fatwa courts, clerical rule, and state-sanctioned religion in all their forms; oppose all penalties for blasphemy and apostacy, in accordance with Article 18 of the Universal Declaration of Human rights;
eliminate practices, such as female circumcision, honor killing, forced veiling, and forced marriage, that further the oppression of women; protect sexual and gender minorities from persecution and violence;
reform sectarian education that teaches intolerance and bigotry towards non-Muslims;
and foster an open public sphere in which all matters may be discussed without coercion or intimidation.
We demand the release of Islam from its captivity to the totalitarian ambitions of power-hungry men and the rigid strictures of orthodoxy.
We enjoin academics and thinkers everywhere to embark on a fearless examination of the origins and sources of Islam, and to promulgate the ideals of free scientific and spiritual inquiry through cross-cultural translation, publishing, and the mass media.
We say to Muslim believers: there is a noble future for Islam as a personal faith, not a political doctrine;
to Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Baha’is, and all members of non-Muslim faith communities: we stand with you as free and equal citizens;
and to nonbelievers: we defend your unqualified liberty to question and dissent.
Before any of us is a member of the Umma, the Body of Christ, or the Chosen People, we are all members of the community of conscience, the people who must chose for themselves.
Ih he agrees with these principles, then, I would, with you, defend him as my "good friend".
PROGHRESSIVE REGRESSIVE WROTE "Judeo-Nazi "
sounds a lot like saying AFRO-AMERICAN KKK.
LUMPING TWO GROUPS WHO HATE EACH OTHER IS VERY 5 YEAR OLDISH. thats about the level of maturity with most muslims.
TO all the fools who presumed, from their narrow experience and narrower mind, to understand anything about me, my friends, and my attitudes. I am an aggressive and outspoken supporter of Israel, to the point where a troll on another blog has tried to claim that I was not Italian and Catholic, as I am, but Jewish. I know my friend and what she thinks. We have talked about these matters for years. I keep her name and place to myself because there are some fanatics among her cousins (one of whom she has refused to marry). I repeat: I think she is better than her faith; I think she misunderstands her religion; and I wish she were Catholic. But she is a wonderful person, and the lynch-mob language on this blog makes me deeply uneasy for her. You may state that you hate Islam rather than Muslims; I certainly do. But too many of you use insulting language, not to the doctrine, but to the people. You may have never met a decent Muslim, but considering your attitudes, I doubt you would recognize one if you met them.
As the Emperor quoted by Pope Benedict pointed out, pretty much everything that is individual to Islam is vicious. All the things about the religion which are defensible are imitated - and not well, in my view - from older religions. I pointed out elsewhere that Islam is a nearly perfect summary of every Christian heresy that the Catholic Church ever refused; there was something like a perverse kind of genius about Mohammed, in selecting not only teachings the Christians had rejected, but teachings they were still to reject (such as Calvinist double predestination, which would not become an issue for another millennium) and attitudes that the Jewish bodies had rejected (such as the military prophecies of the Qumran Community and of Bar Kochba, who were out to conquer the world by force). Nonetheless, there are enough teachings in ordinary Islam that echo the natural decency of man, for naturally decent people to pay no attention - even to unconsciously reject - to all the aspects that make it, overall, a disastrous influence. And I prefer to treat people as I find them, rather than indulge in group hatred and in group superiority complex.
Paolo...I'm surprised, you sound like an Islamic apologist. Maybe you are in love...will you convert to Islam soon?
TO all the fools who presumed, from their narrow experience and narrower mind, to understand anything about me, my friends, and my attitudes. I am an aggressive and outspoken supporter of Israel, to the point where a troll on another blog has tried to claim that I was not Italian and Catholic, as I am, but Jewish. I know my friend and what she thinks. We have talked about these matters for years. I keep her name and place to myself because there are some fanatics among her cousins (one of whom she has refused to marry). I repeat: I think she is better than her faith; I think she misunderstands her religion; and I wish she were Catholic. But she is a wonderful person, and the lynch-mob language on this blog makes me deeply uneasy for her. You may state that you hate Islam rather than Muslims; I certainly do. But too many of you use insulting language, not to the doctrine, but to the people. You may have never met a decent Muslim, but considering your attitudes, I doubt you would recognize one if you met them.
As the Emperor quoted by Pope Benedict pointed out, pretty much everything that is individual to Islam is vicious. All the things about the religion which are defensible are imitated - and not well, in my view - from older religions. I pointed out elsewhere that Islam is a nearly perfect summary of every Christian heresy that the Catholic Church ever refused; there was something like a perverse kind of genius about Mohammed, in selecting not only teachings the Christians had rejected, but teachings they were still to reject (such as Calvinist double predestination, which would not become an issue for another millennium) and attitudes that the Jewish bodies had rejected (such as the military prophecies of the Qumran Community and of Bar Kochba, who were out to conquer the world by force). Nonetheless, there are enough teachings in ordinary Islam that echo the natural decency of man, for naturally decent people to pay no attention - even to unconsciously reject - to all the aspects that make it, overall, a disastrous influence. And I prefer to treat people as I find them, rather than indulge in group hatred and in group superiority complex.
TO all the fools who presumed, from their narrow experience and narrower mind, to understand anything about me, my friends, and my attitudes. I am an aggressive and outspoken supporter of Israel, to the point where a troll on another blog has tried to claim that I was not Italian and Catholic, as I am, but Jewish. I know my friend and what she thinks. We have talked about these matters for years. I keep her name and place to myself because there are some fanatics among her cousins (one of whom she has refused to marry). I repeat: I think she is better than her faith; I think she misunderstands her religion; and I wish she were Catholic. But she is a wonderful person, and the lynch-mob language on this blog makes me deeply uneasy for her. You may state that you hate Islam rather than Muslims; I certainly do. But too many of you use insulting language, not to the doctrine, but to the people. You may have never met a decent Muslim, but considering your attitudes, I doubt you would recognize one if you met them.
As the Emperor quoted by Pope Benedict pointed out, pretty much everything that is individual to Islam is vicious. All the things about the religion which are defensible are imitated - and not well, in my view - from older religions. I pointed out elsewhere that Islam is a nearly perfect summary of every Christian heresy that the Catholic Church ever refused; there was something like a perverse kind of genius about Mohammed, in selecting not only teachings the Christians had rejected, but teachings they were still to reject (such as Calvinist double predestination, which would not become an issue for another millennium) and attitudes that the Jewish bodies had rejected (such as the military prophecies of the Qumran Community and of Bar Kochba, who were out to conquer the world by force). Nonetheless, there are enough teachings in ordinary Islam that echo the natural decency of man, for naturally decent people to pay no attention - even to unconsciously reject - to all the aspects that make it, overall, a disastrous influence. And I prefer to treat people as I find them, rather than indulge in group hatred and in group superiority complex.
Whooops, sorry for the triple post. Malfunctioning computer is to blame.
And Duh_Swami, if you were within reach, I would ask you to step out and repeat it. Tell me, were you born a shit, or did you have to work at it?
Threat's Paolo??? Are you losing it? I must be right you just have to be in love...If I were in your reach, you would keep your mouth shut... You are not the only 'tough' guy around...
To Hizballah_Supporter,
Islam is a terrorist organization.
PSA:
Tonight at 9pm (to 10:30) on FOX NEWS is a program titled "Banned By PBS; Muslims Against Jihad."
This is NOT the same film as "Islam vs. The Islamists" which FOX also plans to show eventually. I don't know anything about this one except that it is by the same outfit (represented by Frank Gaffney last night) that produced Islam vs. the Islamists.
It promises to be of interest to JW readers (and hopefully well beyond).
More Islamic, 'Roman' salutes.
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/recruited.html
this scumbag is doing us all a huge favour. he has forgotten to use taqiyya when talking to the infidels and is telling us what is ussually only spoken between muslims. they all support terorrism ....ISLAM IS A TERORRIST ORGANISATION. keep talking scumbag you are educating the people
Paolo, you are defending the indefensible . In the end ALL muslims are BOUND by their doctrine to convert or destroy ALL infidels. Your muslim friends will turn against you if given the choice no matter how strong their convictions are. They will throw you to the wolves.
I am sick of these morons who came to my beutiful country and trying to screw it up.
I say send them back NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hizballah Supporter suggests it's "a free country" and "what's wrong with supporting Hizballah?...they are not 'terrorists'."
Like it or not, Hizballah is a designated terrorist entity by the U.S. State Department.
Do you understand that? Do you understand why
it is considered a terrorist entity?
Besides it's own operations (and it introduced suicide bombing long before it taught it to the Palestinians) Hizballah has trained and armed Hamas and Islamic Jihad; trained Egyptian Jihad and Algerian GIA in Lebanon and trained with Al Qaeda in the Sudan in the early 90s. The cooperation with Al Qaeda is long-standing. It is implicated in the Al Qaeda-US Embassy bombings in East Africa and in Khobar Towers.
According to the trial testimony of Ali Mohammad
"Hizballah provided explosives training for Al Qaeda and Al Jihad." Ali Mohammad also facilitated the meeting between Osama bin Laden and Hizballah's arch-terrorist Imad Mugniya. These are all terrorist entities, they target civilians, they all wage Jihad terrorism and Hizballah has directly aided and abetted them. This fact alone would make make Hizballah "terrorists".
Hizballah announced itself with the suicide truck bombing of the US Embassy in Beirut, killing 63
(1983), the first of many. It taught suicide bombing to the Palestinians and helped construct 'megabombs' to inflict maximum casualties. It is not simply local to Lebanon, it is a global network involved in smuggling, drugs, diamonds, credit card fraud from America to Singapore to Canada to South America. DEA officials busted a multi-city meth drug ring and found the money being funneled to Hizballah. 136 were arrested, most Middle Eastern. Hizballah has bombed the Amia Jewish Center in Beunos Aries killing 86--most of them Argentine nationals and suicide truck bombings were averted in both Bangkok and Singapore.
Hizballah is ruled by a 7 member Shura Council, all but one of whom are religious clerics--he being Mugniya, head of Jihad operations. This religious council runs all Hizballah operations political, social and military. It's terror operations and it's building schools and hospitals are inseparable parts of one entity.
It has one leadership and one goal, the same as it's "parent" the Islamic Republic of Iran, thus:
"Death to America was, is, and will stay our sloagn."
"Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan (America) is absolute."
--Hassan Nasrallah, Hizballah Sec. General
Paolo: : "But she is a wonderful person, and the lynch-mob language on this blog makes me deeply uneasy for her. You may state that you hate Islam rather than Muslims; I certainly do. But too many of you use insulting language, not to the doctrine, but to the people.”
Fair enough. We should all obviously be concerned for the genuinely decent and moderate Muslims among us who truly ignore or reject the violent doctrines in their religion for the main reason that when the sh*t really hits the fan, they are going to be the biggest victims of an indiscriminate backlash.
But then you state, “And I prefer to treat people as I find them, rather than indulge in group hatred and in group superiority complex.”
Well you may prefer that but I don’t think you can have your cake and eat it too. The fact is that treating people as we find them – on a purely individual basis, is what has gotten us into this mess in the first place. Because modern liberalism believes that so strongly, it refuses to make any kind of group discriminations whatsoever that will inevitably hurt some innocents within the group – say by banning all further Muslim immigration into the west. That’s not exactly “group hatred” but it certainly is “group rejection” and it is a stance that says that we don’t have the resources to ascertain whether each and every Muslim seeking exodus to our shores is, as an individual, a really nice person – like your Shia friend. That is precisely what we have been doing for some 30 or 40 years and look where its gotten us. It’s quite often the children of these really nice and decent individuals, who are now native born citizens of our countries, who are on the front lines of the global jihad.
So so sorry about your nice Shia friend but to judge and discriminate against Muslims as a group is PRECISELY what we’re going to have to do to save our civilization. And you know what? I happen to like my friends and family and neighbors as well. They are some of the finest people I know. Your unwillingness to make group distinctions will not be reciprocated by Muslims should they assume enough power in the west, at which point all of MY friends and family will be regarded as nothing but infidels – utterly worthless.
So its your Shia friend vs my family and friends. What’s your solution there?
Moreover, if your Shia friend is as nice and kind as you say, then her life would be endangered the more Muslims we admit into the west. Because the moderates don’t stand a better chance than we infidels do as Islam gains power. So your friend ought to be really grateful for the posters here who, although their language goes over the top sometimes, are actually trying to sound the alarm bells against further islamization of the west and doing that – horror of horrors! - actually requires DESCRIMINATING AGAINST MUSLIMS AS A GROUP, rather than treating them as individuals on a case by case basis.
Capisci?
From Ayan Hirsi Ali's address to the National Press Club (Washington)
That said it is worth bearing in mind that all the Germans in Dresden were not necessarily Nazis, or even bad people. But war is hell. And the death of unoffending "innocents" is a large part of what makes that so.
And don't get me started on Hiroshima.
The patience of the free world is not necessarily infinite and the people of the free world are not brain surgeons and angels, they're people -- fallible, cruel and emotional like any other people anywhere.
And this is something that the mohammedans of this world and those who care about the better people among them (in which number I count myself), had better reflect on and act upon.
The good old US of A has MONDO weapons of mass destruction, (real ones that work), and if finally pushed to using them can easily incinerate every square inch of land from the eastern tip of north Africa to the western end of Malaysia and Indonesia.
Hirsi Ali (via joeblough) "cultures and religions are not equal"
Hmmm - would that assertion qualify per Paolo as an illustration of "group superiority complex"?
"Australia's top Shi'ite cleric says he supports Hizballah"
Should be grounds for deportation.
And I adress this to our site trolls:
The mohammedans of this world have collectively become a serious quality of life problem for everyone else around, most particularly for the people living near large concentrations of mohammedans.
The fact is that if all the mohammedans magically disappeared, the world would immediately become a safer, better more livable place. Whole populations would be able to put their arms down, heave a sigh of relief and go back to working on their private lives.
Not to mention the vast fortunes the rest of us have to spend defending ourselves from hostile mohammedans! All that money could be turned to productive, positive purposes.
In your arrogance you forget which side of the cost-benefit ratio you are on.
At some point the cost of tolerating your impudent cruelty and imperialistic arrogance will exceed the cost of destoying cities and killing countless thousands.
And at that point all the Buddhist patience and Christian forebearance in the world won't save you.
Paulo you are a PRATT no more needs to be said.
How do you tell a racist? The real thing, the group hater who really builds up his or her own self-respect on hating someone else? Easy. Just take a different view, and the real racist will not bother to argue; instead, s/he will overflow with poisonous hatred, suggestions that you are a nigger/kike/raghead-lover (Hey, Duh_Swami, recognize yourself?) and social-darwinist views that, whatever poor dreamers like me might think, one less of them means one more of you. From that point of view, my defence of my friend seems to have unearthed quite a vast amount of group haters on this blog. Never mind how often Robert warns against it, it seems that the warning against the danger of Islam seems to draw an awful lot of freaks whose main itch is not to oppose a bad ideology but to hurt people.
Islam remains dangerous. But so, Duh_Swami, are nasty hate-filled pus boils like yourself. You will not chase me from this site, and you will be told when you are being a prick. Which in the case of a few morons here, is most of the time.
Paolo I think you miss the point a little: what most of us mean is that any muslim who happens to be a decent person (as we see define this) and yet still remains a Muslim under the control of Muhammad really has their foot in two camps. When it comes to the crunch which camp do you think that she will choose?
I have known many idealists who had very defined views as youths but very few of them maintained these views into middle age when placed under economic pressure. The "good" Muslims who may be very decent people are also marked by their total lack of impact upon the horror that is jihad and by their silent support of the supposed "heroes" of jihad. Most islamic heroes were warlords and the main index of one seems to be kaffir body count.
If she prays at a mosque there is quite a good chance that she subsidises terrorism throught he mosque(that is if she works).
Many of us would jump at the opportunity to support "Muslims for a 21st century islam" but there is NO such organisation, just a few petrified voices in the desert which is Islam and so far of negligible effect.
The apostates of islam although far less in number than the supposed "moderates" have had a much greater effect as shown by their constant targeting by the jihadists.
So your friend may well be a very decent person but like a decent Nazi she may, one day, be defined as enemy unless she actually does something about those around her.
Paolo: "From that point of view, my defence of my friend seems to have unearthed quite a vast amount of group haters on this blog. Never mind how often Robert warns against it, it seems that the warning against the danger of Islam seems to draw an awful lot of freaks whose main itch is not to oppose a bad ideology but to hurt people."
There was nothing in my post about hating people as a group. I was explaining, from a rational POV, why it may be necessary to DISCRIMINATE against people as a group, rather than treating each and every Muslim on a case by case individual basis, which is what we have always done, in accordance with the tenets of modern liberalism. Profiling, e.g. entails group discrimination. Altering immigration policy requires group discrimination. Innocent people end up getting discriminated against. (Never mind that the same thing happens anyway - i.e. the hurting of innocent people when you end up profiling EVERYONE or when you end up exposing all the innocents in the host society to the consequences of a non-dicriminatory immigration policy).
Apparently you would like to take the moral high ground by merely opposing an abstract ideology but ideologies actually exist in the heads of individual people. So how does one oppose an ideology without ever opposing any human beings in the concrete? Unless you have viable solutions to that dilemma, all your talk about opposing an ideology while not hurting individual people is just a bunch of empty rhetoric that makes you feel good about yourself.
It is interesting how Imams are so eager to get useful idots to blow people up but never strap on the six-pack themselves to show us how it's done. Perhaps they don't really believe the 76 virgin nonsense afterall. The best these vermin can expect is perhaps a couple of hookers and a goat.
"couple of hookers and a goat"
Hmm now I know why Muhammad disliked pigs as they are more fussy about their mates than are sheep or goats and a lot more intelligent also
( No Muhammad I will NOT look at yr etchings)