Bush to name envoy to Islamic Conference

Will someone please slam that man upside the head with a copy of the book called "The Truth About Mohammed". Or, rig a van full of 1000 watt speakers and set up outside of his bedroom window at 3.am blasting the audio version of same.

First degree ignorance.

Bush, like virtually everyone else, continues to ignore political Islam and to pretend that by ignoring it, it will disappear.

Not the United Nations. They are on the problem.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8Q176SO0&show_article=1

The solution is simple and elegant, move the masses to smaller cities and direct these cities to provide public housing and welfare. If these cities fail to provide food and housing, stand by for ‘religious extremism’. Never mind that the budgets of all governments are already pretty much shot.

If these smaller cities fail to meet the needs of migrant populations, they could face social unrest, including religious extremism, she said.

"Extremism is often a reaction to rapid and sudden change or to a feeling of exclusion and injustice, and the cities can be a basis for that if they are not well managed," Obaid said. "It's very much an urban phenomenon."

And the dependency bubble grows.

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"This is an opportunity for Americans to demonstrate to Muslim communities our interest in respectful dialogue and continued friendship," Bush said.

How many demonstrations of respect must we make before it is reciprocated?

"President Bush announced Wednesday he will establish an envoy to a coalition of Muslim countries, with hopes of bolstering ties to the Islamic world and improving the image of the United States."

Sometimes I think our Western leaders suffer from Massive inferiority complexes about our Judeo/Christian morality, and Jeffersonian ideals of freedom and liberty.

The very idea that they think we have to worry about improving our image in the eyes of socities that are barely one step ahead of pure barbarism, is obcene.

If many of these Muslims envoys lived in the United States, they'd be sitting on death row.

And we're worried about image problems.

"This is an opportunity for Americans to demonstrate to Muslim communities our interest in respectful dialogue and continued friendship," Bush said.

Are we truly still interested in these things at this time? To what end? What will this "respectful dialog" look like?

Isn't this all a big stinking pile of Horseshyte?

"President Bush announced Wednesday he will establish an envoy to a coalition of Muslim countries, with hopes of bolstering ties to the Islamic world and improving the image of the United States."

Sometimes I think our Western leaders suffer from Massive inferiority complexes about our Judeo/Christian morality, and Jeffersonian ideals of freedom and liberty.

The very idea that they think we have to worry about improving our image in the eyes of socities that are barely one step ahead of pure barbarism, is obcene.

If many of these Muslims envoys lived in the United States, they'd be sitting on death row for premediated murder.

And we're worried about image problems.

"Bush to name envoy to Islamic Conference," And it should be the 3rd armoured devision

I believe he meant a spy to the condference. I will be very suspicious as to reason behind such a move, because it is certainly not dialogue. Just like Bush in the past encourgaed Americans to learn Arabic, Farsi, Mandarin, all he left out was North Korean so you mean to tell he urged you people(because when he speaks he speaks to intellectually retarded people) to speak those languages to have a dialogue. He wants to make a spy out of you.

Bush singled out Iran and Syria and accused them of religious and political repression.

Also, there's no way that

'This Muslim center sits quietly down the road from a synagogue, a Lutheran church, a Catholic parish, a Greek Orthodox chapel, a Buddhist temple — each with faithful followers who practice their deeply held beliefs and live side by side in peace'

As for the envoy, I have some suggestions. Grover Norquest. Bob Crane. Manzoor Ijaz. Stephen Solarz. Farah Pandith (let her discover the jilbab).

Maybe even someone from CAIR. Point here - send only Muslims. So if an Iran hostage crisis happens again, just bomb the place. And it's the last time it will happen.

Ah yes, the OIC (stealing quotes from LGF):

"...one of the world’s most implacable hate-filled groups, the Organization of the Islamic Conference."

"...and what they’re all about is blind, virulent hatred of the West, open antisemitism, and enabling of jihad."

bush al-saud is the greatest enemy this country has ever known. The satatnic cult of death wouldn't have a chance without his endless promotion. The same is true of "palestine."

There is a good deal to say about this. It perfectly illustrates the misunderstanding of Islam, or rather of Muslims. In Bush's shallow calculation, and that of Rice, sending an envoy to the "Islamic Conference" (the O.I.C., which has 57 "Muslim countries" as members), this will be an intelligent way to "engage" the world's Muslims. It will help to win those hearts and those minds that seem always to need winning, no matter how many Muslims are rescued, as in Bosnia or Kosovo, or given huge sums of money, as with ungrateful Egypt, meretricious Pakistan, and the ungrateful, meretricious, corrupt, and completely transparet "Palestinians," or both rescued from a tyrant, and been given all kinds of aid, with the whole enterprise costing more than all the wars, save World War II, the United States has ever fought -- as in Iraq.

This sending of an envoy will be taken as a signo of appeasement and desperation. Given that the Americans are going to have to withdraw from Iraq, and to do within the next year or two, at the very most, now is not the time to have that withdrawal be misinterpreted. Now is exactly the time to signal, in every possible way -- in Darfur, and in energy policy, and in public attitudes toward the Saudis and their still-unhalted expenditures in the Westeern world -- that the mixture as before will not do, and that the withdrawal from Iraq is a sign not of appeasement at all, but part of a larger strategy that will have no place for sentimentalism and bringing "freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads" in the Middle East, but will be about one thing and one thing only: weakening the Camp of Islam.

Weakening the Camp of Islam can happen only when Islam is identified as the threat. If the fiction is maintained that the threat is not from Muslims who take to heart what Islam inculcates, but rather from Muslims who are in some unspecified way being "untrue" to Islam -- as Bush dreamily believes, and so does Blair, and Rice, and any number of policy-makers who have shown themselves perversely, deliberately unwilling to study Islam and the history of Islamic conquest. Either Bush and Rice have it right, or Winston Churchill, and John Quincy Adams, and Tocqueville, and every serious Western scholar of Islam, up to the past forty years, when it became much more difficult to tell home truths, and a kind of Islamintern International carefully, step by step, took over many of the academic departments devoted to the study of Islam (google "MESA Nostra" and "Jihad Watch").

This sending of an envoy will prolong the misunderstanding on our side, and will allow Muslim hearts and minds not to be wooed and won, but rather, to swell with a sense of triumph: America is on the run, even the United States must eventually yield. It will dishearten people in Western Europe who, rightly deploring the squandering of resources in Iraq, nonethelss are ready to re-unite with the United States, if it can put the Iraq nonsense behind it, or exploit the situation there in order to divide and demoralize Islam.

No good can come of this. Or rather, the only good is that those who have continued to be Bush loyalists, continued to think that somehow he, and his Adminstration, must "know what they are doing" in Iraq and with Islam, will finally and totally give up on this captain of the S.S. Narrenschiff, who has been exactly the wrong man at the wrong time in the wrong place.

A hideous situation. An intolerable waste.

Go Karen Hughes!

C'mon, people. Give Georgie boy a break. He's just looking for someone who'll like him. Now that conservatives hate his guts, he's finding friends among albanians & muzzies. Every man, including the president, has to make friends where he can. Let the U.S. & the American citizens go screw themselves.

But if an envoy is to be sent, and since it cannot be an apostate -- Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali --- then at least let it be, not a phony "moderate," but an articulate Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslim, who will make the point that political, economic and social woes in states and societies suffused with Islam are to be traced to Islam itself.

Possible candidates:

Kanan Makiya, Fouad Ajami.

The first no doubt is enjoying his total autonomy as the Hassenfeld Professor at Brandeis (but how naive the students are! how innocent of history!), and his Cambridge apartment and that "Iraq Project"; still, he may by now have reflected on the failure of Iraq and Iraqis, and finally begun to stop being defensive about Islam and his pious Shi'a grandmother, and come to his senses. He might enjoy the challenge.

As for Fouad Ajami, he's carefully avoided for decades the subject of Islam, and his verbal ticks are getting to be most annoying, of the easily parodied kind -- "in that cruel summer of 2003, in that cruel land to which the farmboys came, so totally innocent of the Arab wiles, and the Arab torment, and the Arab predicament, and the Arab sense of destiniy, and the Arab decline, and the Arab fall, which American farmboys could hardly be expected to understand..." -- and maybe, having been one of the enablers of the Iraq fiasco, he'd like to do the handsome thing and help out with the O.I.C.

I doubt that either would do it. They're not that willing to make the kind of sacrifices for the United States that hundreds of thousands of American soldiers were asked to make by spending a year or two or three in Iraq. They have academic positions, one with real, the other with effective tenure, and access to all the largesse that foundations have made available to the "good" Muslims, not to mention the odd Bradley Prize or two. But who knows -- perhaps one of them will see the need.

And if both were to turn it down, there is always the fetching author of "Reading 'Lolita' in Teheran."

Hugh

Why not send them a phony moderate, or better still, a radical US Muslim - someone from CAIR? Maybe Farah Pandith? Stephen Schwartz? Someone who'll tell them nothing about US policy, but simply tell them whatever they want to hear? Sort of like April Glaspie? So that instead of these Muslim spokespeople trying to fool Americans into believing that everything is hunky dory with the ummah, instead go to the OIC and give them the 'we are Muslims too' spiel. And study the treatment they receive.

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Will someone please slam that man upside the head with a copy of the book called "The Truth About Mohammed". Or, rig a van full of 1000 watt speakers and set up outside of his bedroom window at 3.am blasting the audio version of same.

I suggest blasting out the call to morning prayers at 4,30 AM

I am beginning to find Bush as being a loatsome reptile, if he can stand in an islamic strong hold and give his usual BS that Islam is peace ful and cite the U.S. support for Muslims in Kosovo and Bosnia-Herzegovina after the disintegration of Yugoslavia — a reference applauded by his audience — and said Americans offered such support out of "compassion, conviction and conscience."

It reflected the proper course of supporting moderation against extremism, he said.

Well open the link below and see what the proper course of supporting moderation against extremism sicko boy George cited, and see what the audience applauded to

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/01/bombed-wrong-side-pt2.html

I for one would like to see a "Jew for Jesus" be the person the the Presidents askes to go.

I think he should send Lemmy from Motorhead :)

I vote for our representative to be Jackie Mason.

Keith Ellison, who else?

progressive,

"I believe he meant a spy to the condference. I will be very suspicious as to reason behind such a move, because it is certainly not dialogue. Just like Bush in the past encourgaed Americans to learn Arabic, Farsi, Mandarin, all he left out was North Korean so you mean to tell he urged you people(because when he speaks he speaks to intellectually retarded people) to speak those languages to have a dialogue. He wants to make a spy out of you."

lol If only Bush was that smart.

What is a "Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only" exactly?

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A Muslim-for-identificaton-purposes-only Muslim (a useful phrase, first used here, along with "Slow Jihad" and "Fast Jihad" and "islamochristian" and another half-dozen) is one who, because he is born into the Middle East, or into a society suffused with Islam, is keenly aware of, cannot conceive of doing without, some label or "identity" and who, having been born into Islam, continues to call himself a "Muslim" -- or never announces that he is no longer a "Muslim" -- for such reasons as the need to have that label, that identity (for many in the Middle East, it is inconceivable that one could do without, or wish to do without, such labelling, such self-marking) out of

1) fear of openly becoming an apostate
2) a reluctance, out of filial piety, to break with one's Muslim background or even the memory of a particularly pious grandmother or grandfather
3) in some cases, careerism -- it makes more sense to continue to be identified as a "Muslim" so that one can ply one's trade as a "moderate"
4) a variant on the Muslim-for-identification-purposes Muslim is the self-described "cultural Muslim" which is a way to signal to others that I don't believe any of it, and am certainly indifferent to it, but my memories, my past, my affections, the smells of certain foods and the childhood impressions of certain rituals, all stay with me.

Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Wafa Sultan, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and many others are outright apostates. They have left Islam. They don't like Islam.

A few are silent about their relation to Islam. What is Fouad Ajami? I'd call him, and for that matter Kanan Makiya, and Mrs. Nafisi, all Muslim-for-identification-purposes Muslims.

Ajami, though, likes to wax boozily poetic about the great "scholarship" of those whose scholarship is devoted to the aridities of Islam, minds manacled by those isnad-chains, by Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. And Kanan Makiya, when last heard from a few years ago, described himself as a non-believer but also was quick to defend Islam, by reference to a pious Shi'a grandmother, when he sensed it was under attack.

It is up to you to decide, by study: Is you is, or is you ain't?

In any case, a useful and clarifying phrase.

CAIR is pleased with George Bush's, or Condoleezza Rice's, Excellent Idea:

WASHINGTON, June 27—The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) today welcomed an announcement by President Bush that he will name a special envoy to the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), a world body made up of 57 Muslim-majority nations.

President Bush made that announcement at an event marking the 50th anniversary and rededication of the Islamic Center of Washington, D.C., the same mosque he visited after the 9/11 terror attacks.
He said: “Our special envoy will listen to and learn from representatives from Muslim states and will share with them America’s views and values. This is an opportunity for Americans to demonstrate to Muslim communities our interest in respectful dialogue and continued friendship.”

“We welcome the appointment of a special envoy to the OIC as recognition that positive and respectful dialogue is the best way to build bridges of understanding between our nation and the Muslim world,” said CAIR Communications Director Ibrahim Hooper.

Hooper joined the president, foreign diplomats, government officials, and interfaith leaders at today’s even marking the mosque’s anniversary."

Bush sez: "So today in this place of free worship, in a heart of a free nation, we say to those who yearn for freedom from Damascus to Tehran: you are not bound forever by your misery. Plead in silence no longer. The free world hears you. You're not alone. America offers you its hand in friendship. We work for the day when we can welcome you into the family of free nations."

What a patronizing bunch of crap that is. I know muslim's have a hard time comprehending reality, but cant they tell that this is a big song and dance routine , a little soft shoe for the folk's, some fine sounding phrases. If muslim's buy that, they are worse off than I thought.

Thank you Hugh, that helps.

I believe he meant a spy to the condference. I will be very suspicious as to reason behind such a move, because it is certainly not dialogue. Just like Bush in the past encourgaed Americans to learn Arabic, Farsi, Mandarin, all he left out was North Korean so you mean to tell he urged you people(because when he speaks he speaks to intellectually retarded people) to speak those languages to have a dialogue. He wants to make a spy out of you.

Posted by: progressive at June 27, 2007 2:09 PM

You pompous muslim jerk, how dare you call us "intellectually retarded" people! I suppose you're the islamic world's best example of wit and wile! You appear to be a typical muslim conspiracy theorist with a victim complex and delusions of superiority. Your beloved umma needs your amazing intellect and talent back home. Why don't you answer the call like a good zombie by removing your pious, superior self from the immoral Great Satan and its evil temptations.

As for dialogue, dialogue is impossible with muslim megalomaniacs and it shouldn't even be attempted. The West should isolate and ignore the islamic hordes. If they stray from their self-imposed cesspools and provoke the West, their incursions should be met with brute force. That's all you savages understand.

But you're right about one thing: we're all SPIES, not for Bush because he's too dense to realize that islam is our mortal enemy. We're spies for the vast network that runs through America and keeps tabs on muslim traitors with diabolical goals. Remember, there are a lot more of us than you, despite your disgusting breeding habits. We have an ongoing "dialogue" with the FBI, and they're very interested in people like you.

"This Muslim center sits quietly down the road from a synagogue, a Lutheran church, a Catholic parish, a Greek Orthodox chapel, a Buddhist temple — each with faithful followers who practice their deeply held beliefs and live side by side in peace," he said. "

For now, but it may not be so within just a few years, perhaps less.

"Millions seek a path to the future where they can say what they think, travel where they wish and worship as they choose," he said. "They plead in silence for their liberty and they hope someone, somewhere will answer."

I wonder if Bush can visit A catholic church in S.A. and say this, or even walk in Mecca. And I am sure he knows the answer.

WASHINGTON - President Bush announced Wednesday he will establish an envoy to a coalition of Muslim countries, with hopes of bolstering ties to the Islamic world and improving the image of the United States.

I think bush should have personal ties to the islamic world; I say dump him and his whole family in a dark alley somewhere in pakistan. Better yet, turn them all over to hamas and let hamas decide what should be done with him -- that goes for blair too!

I don't want ties to the islamic world, and I don't give a crap how the receive my image.

Send John Bolton.

Dymphna, over at Gates of Vienna, expresses in her usual erudite way, what many of us are feeling.
She also raises the interesting question: what a “special envoy” to the OIC might entail...what is the scope of commitment and involvement — and implicit acceptance of a new identity as a “Muslim state”— as a result of our sending a representative?

Sitting Here in the Wreckage

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/06/sitting-here-in-wreckage.html

Those attending the ceremony, including the president, took off their shoes as they entered.

Holy fetid feet, Batman! Did they realize that the fate of the free world was hanging by a thread? Can you imagine the catastrophe if Bush had failed to remove his shoes before entering the mosque? How many would have died around the world in the resulting firestorm and riots? Or, if Bush had made the sign of the cross while in the mosque. Or, if Bush had mentioned the Holy Trinity, or if he accidentally touched the covered arm of a hijab'ed woman, or looked askance at a Qur'an sitting on a table, or if he didn't bow deeply enough before his Muslim masters? That was a very close call. I'm glad we're still here today.

The right choice of envoy to send is obvious:

Dinesh D'Souza, who is a Republican and a social conservative.

D'Souza believes that American conservatives can make common cause with "moderate" Muslims on important moral issues like fighting pornography and abortion and putting women back in the kitchen and getting women to dress modestly and banning the saying of dirty words on television.

We've discussed his theories on JW and DW many times--search.

"You pompous muslim jerk, how dare you call us "intellectually retarded" people! I suppose you're the islamic world's best example of wit and wile! You appear to be a typical muslim conspiracy theorist with a victim complex and delusions of superiority."

He's just one of Islam's many "envoys" to the non-Muslim world.

3) in some cases, careerism -- it makes more sense to continue to be identified as a "Muslim" so that one can ply one's trade as a "moderate"

This shouldn't fall under the 'Muslims-for-identification-purposes-only' umbrella. Unlike the other items that you listed, where the Muslims in question continue to call themselves Muslims despite having no real allegance to Islamic doctrines, this category of Muslims actually use their identity as Muslims not just to promote themselves as moderates, but worse - make Islam look less virulent than it really is.

Of the other 3 that you listed, #1 can really mean a closet apostate, while #2 & #4, while less damaging in terms of being a promoter of a benign face of Islam, nonetheless delivers a misleading image of Islam as something that is reformable by Muslims themselves by simply not acting out the more virulent decrees of the Quran and Sunnah.

What the...is Bush and Blair on cell phone's all day?...key pasa'

I sure do wish women that raise their children by themselfs would get more phrase then this! MTHRS!

What's that bullshit line? To understand thy enemy is to know them?. . naw,, you don't know any enemies do you?... nooo...to know an enemy is to be one....sht.. keep your enemies close!

The business of "careerism" can be seen, for example, in the example of Fouad Ajami, who has little to gain by coming out, and would likely be far less free to travel to Kuwait (quartier Behbehani) and Lebanon, and elsewhere in Muslim lands, indeed probably such travel would be out of the question, were he to be an open apostate. But behind closed doors, in Washington, with those who think well of him, he should not hesitate to change his tone and his shtick, and instead of talking about the "Arab Dream Palace" and the "Arab Predicament" and the "Arab" this and the "Arab" that in the "cruel summer" of this year, in the "tortured land" under the "cruel sun" (fill up the page with this stuff and you'll get some idea of how his prose --not least in that overstuffed "The Foreigner's Gift" -- begins to pall), but with the problem of Islam, of what Islam teaches about the role of Muslims, about the division between Believers and Infidels, and about the habit of mental submission, and of inshallah-fatalism, both encouraged by Islam. He's got a claque, a fan club, and he ought to start enlightening them, if only behind the scenes. Otherwise, he becomes less and less of value as a guide to anything -- merely an example of the "good Arab" who came out of some goddamn Nasserite hubble-bubble cafe (this personal narrative, as part of the shtick, is also wearing thin), came to America with his head full of anti-American cliches and, because he was very intelligent and hardworking, and also was helped at every level, and had a charmed academic career as that "good Arab," has ended up as he has today. But he should demand more of himself, much more. Seeing through Saddam Hussein, or the crap that passes for political discussion among so-called Arab "intellectuals," just isn't good enough. He can do better. But he calculates, I think, that he has to not come out as an apostate in order to be more effective: a variant on those who wanted their rebellious cake and to eat it too by "working within the system."

Less attractive, and far more deceiving and less intelligent, is the careerist Fareed Zakaria, apparently ensconced permanently at Newsweek. He is not, I think, much of a Believer. He has a wine column, for god's sake. But he is defensive, and also deceptive, about Islam. You decide for yourself why, and whether you think he qualifies to be called a Muslim-for-identification-purposes-only Muslim.

You want me to limit that multi-part Homeric epithet in a way that I am unwilling to; it does cover several possibilities -- those listed, and those I didn't get around to listing, or possibly haven't yet chosen to consider as distinct sub-sets.