One would think that the endless "Religion-of-Peace-hijacked-by-a-Tiny-Minority-of-Extremists" drumbeat would have headed off all such concern, but apparently Canadians still have eyes and the capacity for independent thought. "Canadians fear Muslim, Christian tensions: survey," by Randy Boswell for CanWest News Service (thanks to Twostellas):
Canadians believe that the country's traditional French-English tensions will be overshadowed by friction between Christians and Muslims when Canada celebrates its 150th anniversary a decade from now, according to a survey of attitudes on intercultural and interfaith relations by the Association for Canadian Studies.Of the 1,500 people polled, 34% said they were pessimistic about the future of Christian-Muslim relations and another 29% expected tense interaction between aboriginal Canadians and non-aboriginals by the year 2017.
Respondents were much more optimistic that white Canadians and visible minorities, as well and Christians and Jews, would enjoy good relations in 10 years. Only 16% and 14% respectively were pessimistic about those relationships, similar to the 19% who predicted troublesome French-English relations by the time Canada reaches the sesquicentennial of Confederation.
Twenty-three per cent said they were pessimistic about the relationship between religious and secular Canadians, and 22% were pessimistic about immigrant-non-immigrant relations.
"For the most part, the results reflect a fair degree of optimism," said Jack Jedwab, executive director of the Montreal-based research association. "They do, however, suggest a shift in concerns away from language and inter-racial tensions to concerns over aboriginal-non-aboriginal and interfaith relations --in particular relations between Christians and Muslims."
He noted the Christian-Muslim relationship is a complex dynamic involving religious and cultural differences, highlighted by such flashpoint controversies as the debate over Sharia law and the expulsion of a female soccer player for wearing a hijab.
It is good to see that "Little Mosque on the Prairie", I think the highest rated show on CBC (the government channel), hasn't totally quashed people's doubts.
A little fluff piece that CAIR would love to have.
Stay strong Canada!
Why just a hijab?
It would have been hilarious to see some girl trying to play soccer in one of those head-to-toe bodybag outfits with the mesh covered eye-slit.
Mohammedan vaudeville slapstick!
I wasn't one of the Canadians polled, but personally I believe our worst enemies are already here.
We Canadians pride ourselves on our accepting, multicultural country, but muslims are demanding too much. They have already tried to have sharia law introduced into this country. Due mostly to protests from muslim women, the plan fizzled, but we all know they will keep trying to cram their beliefs and way of life down our throats.
"Canadians believe tensions with Muslim population will grow"
Gee, ya think? What was their first clue?
joeblough: "It would have been hilarious to see some girl trying to play soccer in one of those head-to-toe bodybag outfits with the mesh covered eye-slit."
Watch out! BMO!
(Black Moving Object)
ImNoDhimmi, they will try every single day until your country, our country, any country will be some more pig stys.
This is why they don't eat pig - it is cannibalism for them.
"He noted the Christian-Muslim relationship is a complex dynamic involving religious and cultural differences"
Complex? What's so complex about it? Canadians want to live in a free, democratic society, where the political and religious rights of others are respected and protected by law. Muslims don't! They want to transform Canada into xeroxed copy of Saudi Arabia, where any normal understanding of religious and political rights is unknown, and the idea of democracy is considered blasphemy.
Canadians aren't stupid, even if many of their political and cultural leaders are.
The same can be said for America.
Here is my response to the "debate" about sharia..
um, no, not interested
there, that's about all the debate that's needed IMO
Islam immigration needs to be stopped in Canada as well. They just rob, rape, and destroy. Why would anyone want them. Look at Europe, they are destroying it. Its an ugly, dark religion which has nothing positive to offer any country. They don't add anything to society, they just want to stone, mutilate, and rape women here (losers). They're really disgusting. Wake up Canada, kick them out and don't let anymore in.
I am Canadian, mulsims are nothing.
I was not one of the Canadians pooled either, but one has to be blind not to see the bigger cities invaded by burkas and mosques. Some smaller Western towns are still with relatively low numbers of the black/green plaque, but the prognosis is not good for any place. Maybe only the far North is immune so far (too different from desert?). In any case Canada is wonderfull and accepting country, and it is a pity that this is used against her. However people are not stupid, and they see that islam is clearly hostile to most Canadian values. Anybody, who moves here and does not abandon islam and it's violent socio-political doctrine is clearly a cause for concern. It is good that people see the conflict with islam as a leading one, compared to all tensions between any other groups. May be we have hope for switching from total acceptance to selective acceptance - a positive trait in context of survival. BTW devout, radical etc. muslims DO NOT like "Little Mosque on the Prairie". It is way too un-islamic for them. Truth is if it reflects truthfully all that is said and done in a mosque, way too many people will become "islamophobic".
What about Muslim-secularist tentions? Being a slave to Alla is not consist with a free society.
We are the product of a long societal development. The womans rights and civil rights movements of the 20th century enlarged greatly the realm of freedom, compementing the 17th century progress of the "rights of man". Are we to through this all away for the teaching of a 7th century warlord. Hell no.
Canadians for the most part understand the dangers of islam and unless you read this site, you just know islam stinks, just dont know why, that was me before 9-11 and before JW.
Do any of the Canadian posters know where most of the Muslims are coming from? What was Canada's rationale for accepting them? Unlike countries in Europe, Canada wasn't a colonial power in the Middle East.
Do you have the same problem we have in the US vis a vis immigration: the elites vs the people?
How much should we worry about Muslims coming across from Canada to attack places like Chicago? Everyone here focuses on the possibility of them crossing over from Mexico.
Thanks.
There is little difference between US muslim's, and Canadian muslims other than a few mile's.
Muslim's have caused tension's everywhere they have 'moved into'. The ammount of tension is directly proportionate to their number's, and strength. Once in sufficient number's they ask. The numbers get better, they demand, bigger yet, they take.
The best thing to do is to not let that get started in the first place. If we help them out a little they will kill us last. Aint that sweet of them???
"It would have been hilarious to see some girl trying to play soccer in one of those head-to-toe bodybag outfits with the mesh covered eye-slit."
-- joeblough
Unlike these racy islamic sport suits:
http://www.danielpipes.org/pics/large/art_2696_1.jpg
Let me reassure everyone that Canada will not submit.
I talk to regular Canadians in person, including "liberal" ones, and find that the majority of folks are concerned with the threat posed to Canada by Islamic jihadists.
I also find that folks are more open and candid away from the MSM and pollsters.
I strongly doubt that most people really believe that Islam is about "peace". We're not imbeciles, for heaven's sake!
We can see what's what.
It's just the radical left, the leftist politicians and the MSM who appear to have their heads firmly planted inside a dark place.
How about a prediction that any nation with islamic presence will have "tension".Christian or not.
I wonder has the thought ever crossed the muslim mind that those FORCED to pray to allah are not really praying to allah but thier own diety?
I doubt it as thier arrogance and shiny daggers give them thier false confidence.
Of course, I doubt if it were only “Christian-Muslim” tension, or non-immigrant-versus-immigrant tension. I don’t see any uproar over Chinese in Canada wanting to impose their own law, or Christians demanding special accomodation for their religious rituals.
It just always has to be that one group of worshippers that makes the news (and not in any positive way). And it’s certainly not the Christians, atheists, Hindus or Buddhists.
PMK:
The to-Canada Muslim immigrants and refugees, including fake ones, come from all over the Islamic World. I'm unsure as to the proportions by country of origin.
Yes, the elites vs. people problem exists up here as it does in the US. The leftist-dominated state apparatus tends towards the extreme in terms of political correctness in all sorts of matters, including immigration. The people aren't really invited to air their real viewpoints in public, nor are elected officials, unless they're prepared to toe the leftist line.
In fact, we now see the public service refusing to follow government policy in many areas, including Foreign Affairs. It's a serious concern- the public service ignoring directives from the elected government.
As for jihadists coming from Canada, I'm afraid it's a reality. Remember "Millennium Bomber" Ahmed Ressam? Attempted to enter US from Canada with explosives destined for LAX. He should've been deported for all sorts of reasons, but never was. Got away with everything and plotted to bomb LAX.
And "American Hiroshima" lieutenant of bin Laden, Adnan El Shukrijuma ("Jaffer the Pilot") has been linked to a plot at McMaster University where radioactive material was stolen from a research reactor.
And FYI, Montreal has the most sleeper-cell agents of any North American city, in absolute numbers.
But we're really, really now working on identifying them, surveilling them and apprehending them before they can carry out any terror plots. We're taking it no less seriously than is the US, you can be sure!
Interesting you mention Mexico. They're coming via that border as well. If the Amnesty bill is forced through against the will of Americans, you can very well expect jihadists to use this to get "amnesty" and a quick path to citizenship. I hope the amnesty bill dies forever. It's totally wrong.
One muslim family in Canada can take over the whole damn country. Canadians don't breed enough. They are skeeeeeeeered to be outnumbered.
Well, history is going to repeat itself only this time democratically. The Whites in Canada suppressed the Indians and committed genocide against them. It's time to turn the tables, NOW.
Oh, PMK... almost forgot about the Al Qaeda-member family, the Khadrs...
Imagine that... openly-admitted to be AQ, walking amongst us...
A religion of 'submission' that subjugates its members to ancient Arabian moon-god superstitions ruled with fear and threats, dishonoring women's role in society by subjugation, death threats to any who criticize its old superstitious founder, and who exemplify daily their violent barbarity; what's to like? Of course Canadians will reject Islam's advances no matter how well packaged it may be by MSM. Intelligent human beings are not taken by this takkiya shell game of a "religion of peace" where its every manifestation is violent and hostile to our human freedoms. In case they had not noticed, slavery is no longer an acceptable form of 'submission'. In the Arab religio-politico belief system of Islam, it still not only exists, but is its central tenet. The other central tenet is deceit. How noble is that?
Is there anything about Islam that had proved itself attractive to normal and intelligent human beings? Is it its peacefulness? No, since most of the world conflicts today involve Islam, from suicide bombers to horrible tortures and burnings of their captives. Is it its love of beauty and art? No, since these are forbidden by their mentally dysfunctional founder. Is it its goals of raising humanity up to loftier goals? No, since its goal is to keep humanity rooted in the crude Arabian tribal desert culture of the 7th century. Is it its contribution to science and innovation? No, since where we built airplanes, they blow them up; where we invented telephone communications, they use cell phones to detonate bombs; where we build up infrastructure, they tear it down. So not there either. Then what? Is it the delight of being an oppressor against the weak? Probably, since they view all who are not part of their cult as fair targets, regardless of age, race, or gender. Is the appeal of Islam its sense of justice? Well, if you like beheadings, stonings, crude amputations, 'honor' killings of women, child slavery, human trafficking... well, maybe that is 'justice' in some multi-cultural views. But for most of us, who are intelligent and mature human beings, these are all barbaric primitive practices. So what does Islam offer to our way of life? Not much of worth, nothing to be proud of, and rather it drags down humanity to its lowest dregs. If for no other reasons than those listed above, never mind freedom of religion, tolerance of others, freedom of thought, etc., Islam is to be rejected. The Canadians are right to be concerned. We should be too, no matter what part of the world we are in. Islam as a regressive political force of enslavement and violence, the war cult of Islam, is the enemy.
We value life, human life, human rights, human freedoms, but they trample all of these with their diabolical violence, their hates, their death threats, their riots and looting, and rapes. They claim, as any self deserving death cult would, that they love death. Why should anyone honor Islam with the status of being called a "religion", when it is in fact an evil cult? Canadians, and all humanity, better be afraid. We empowered them with oil money, and this is our pay back.
PMK,
Stats Canada has some figures published (on the Internet) as to country of origin for immigrants to Canada. But, you have to infer as to the immigrants' religion. For example, a large number of Muslim immigrants have come from Lebanon (not all Arab Lebanese are Muslim), and settled in Quebec (that's because many Lebanese speak French). (Quebec has very real problems -- not all of it has to do with Muslim discrimination -- there are problems, for example, between some Quebecois and Jews...(antisemitic cartoons are published in "mainstream" press, etc...) I fear for Quebec -- I think that Muslims and some non-immigrant Quebecois could team up, if you understand what I'm saying (?). Not a healthy combo. (There's going to be a "study" published about Quebec and its "accommodating" "minorities." I have read texts by one of the profs -- Taylor -- who has been one of those selected to write-up a portion of the study -- and I don't trust his judgment...but, have to wait to see what that study says...it could be that Sharia law is wonderful, and certain other non-Muslim communities must develop "tolerance" -- or "let's all become Dhimmis.")
Very funny and very serious, both at the same time.
British authorities should ban the niqab and return to a celebration of the miniskirt
"London is all jitters about a new craze in woman's fashion, the niqab. It is a black gown that covers the ladies from head to toe. Even their arms are covered. Two slits, somewhat reminiscent of the slits in armored personnel carriers, allow the ladies to see out. There are no openings for the nostrils. How the ladies breath is a mystery. Perhaps they carry oxygen packs.
If all this sounds faintly absurd, it is meant to. The response of Western democracies to the excesses of fundamentalist Islam is approaching the absurd. There is, in our free societies, abundant precedent for limiting provocative behavior. Unfortunately, many of our liberals are susceptible to the complaints of those who hate us. They were susceptible to communists and in the 1930s they were even susceptible to Nazis. It is my hope that the British authorities will ban the niqab and return to a celebration of the miniskirt. I personally admire a woman who has nothing to hide."
For those interested, here's a bio of Charles Taylor (selected to do the study of accommodating minorities in Quebec.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taylor_(philosopher)
One muslim family in Canada can take over the whole damn country. Canadians don't breed enough. They are skeeeeeeeered to be outnumbered.
Well, history is going to repeat itself only this time democratically. The Whites in Canada suppressed the Indians and committed genocide against them. It's time to turn the tables, NOW.
Posted by: progressive
How "progressive" of you, scumbag.
We WILL fight the moslems by any means necessary, including the use of Superior Weaponry if they leave us no other choice, scumbag.
And let's not forget the moslems would love to 'convert' the Indians as much as anyone else.
To cast moslems as dispensers of justice is a real big joke!
Canadians better keep mind of history. After 1400 years of Islamic Jihad imperialist conquests, 20% of the world's population is now subjugated to this evil cult. Canadians are not that numerous, and as 'progressive' points out, Muslims breed like rats. The same applies to Australia. Notice how eager Muslims are to mirgrate to these underpopulated countries so they can do their 'bedroom jihad' and multiply. Shoot, why stop at four wives, when you can have a dozen, all on the dole, making babies for you? Sounds like a deal! Right 'progressive'?
Canadians fear Muslim, Christian tensions: survey
Phrasing such as this make it seem as if the survey projects equal culpability in the coming tensions. The implication is that guilt will be equally shared. The "it's gotta be equal" thinking that pervades our public discourse is one of the key cogs in the Islam Fictive Reality game.
The headline shoulda read like this:
Canadians fear that the Muslim "fake Moslem victim" troublemaking already well underway against the JudeoChristian traditions here will greatly increase
Canadian Sentinel,
Well we have some good news here in America. The immigration bill was quashed by a majority vote. They needed sixty votes to end debate and actually pass the bill and they couldn't muster even fifty. The feeling here is that it's dead till at least 2009, but I don't take anything for granted. Our problem is that no matter how upset people would have been at the passage of this bill would it have been enough to vote for someone else? Many senators were betting it wouldn't. They may yet be proved right.
Are Canadians concerned enough about Muslim jihadists to actually vote for people/parties who would fight them? The parliamentary system must make it easier for such movements to gather steam.
In case you haven't yet viewed these remarkably brave, lucid monologues from the Commonwealth, treat yourself!
"The Trouble With Islam" Video Blog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhN6CG1zCRc
"The Myth of Islamophobia"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR9LVf_KMO0
PMK, I can't answer for other parts of Canada, but I can give you a brief demographic for the Vancouver area.
The majority of Muslim's living out west appear to be Iranian, North Vancouver has a huge Iranian community and has been like that for some time now. The first time in my life that I saw a full burqa was in North Van. In the east side of Vancouver we have a significant Somalian contingent, Pakistanis are numerous in the City of Surrey, and Iranian, and Iraqi's seem numerous in Coquitlam.
I personally am seeing a bit of an awakening of some of my fellow Canadians, but it has been slow. When I brought the fact that one of Osama Bin Laden's highest ranking officers lived in Richmond, B.C., most of my friends and colleagues refused to believe it. Apparently this guy was the guy responsible for acquiring any type of weapon required for terrorist actions.
Irshad Manji the Muslim woman that has been featured on Glenn Beck that was responsible for that Islam reform in Florida earlier in the year is also from Richmond, and many here were surprised to hear her talk about madrasas in Canada.
Unfortunately I believe it will take something catastrophic before Canadians sign on wholesale to what Islam is about. I've personally had many bouts with some relatives that quote every myth about these guys including, "Well Islam is the religion of peace." crap. I hope I'm wrong and that people truly are aware of the dangers Islam poses, I'm unfortunately hearing more about fundamental Christians than I am about Muslims here.
I've been to Quebec, years ago. But I understand Toronto is the real Muslim infestation?
I hope Canada can save itself. Why did they ever let the Barbarians and their black sheets in? They don't have to. CANADA - STOP! STOP LETTING THEM IN NOW!
J.S.,
What's with Quebec? Have they decided once and for all that they will not secede?
The Arab Christian community in Lebanon was once the majority (or close to it) and it has been decimated since the civil war started by the PLO. France is Roman Catholic, so I would think most Lebanese immigrants in Canada must be Christians.
Are the Quebecois so suicidal? Wasn't the Bloc Quebecois behind the independence/secession movement? Maybe they think joining with the "minority" parties is the short route to independence?
I just checked the link on Taylor. A communitarian? Sounds like a perfect fit with Islam. The malaise of modernity? Muslims must love him!
He thinks the liberal concept of "individual identity is too abstract, instrumentalist, and one dimensional." He sounds more like a socialist, again a perfect fit with Islam.
Thanks for the info.
PMK
"Are Canadians concerned enough about Muslim jihadists to actually vote for people/parties who would fight them?"
There's an Islamist who heads up the largest Muslim organization. He tells Muslims how to vote (who to vote for) -- usually it's based on the degree of antisemitism, anti-Israel, anti-Americanism. (It's not called "identity politics" here, it's called something else, which I've forgotten).
They've been able to elect people (both Muslims and Dhimmis) who support their Islamist policies. (Really scary is the NDP. They appear to support Hamas.)
The Ottawa area is filled...and is as problematic as Toronto.
J.S. the NDP is the scariest party in Canada. Leader Jack Layton is completely out of touch with reality on pretty much everything you can think of. I personally refer to him as a political whore, he'll jump into bed with anyone if he thinks he can gain a vote out of it.
If anyone is interested in the Osama Bin Laden connection to Richmond, BC the link below is from the jihadwatch archives on that subject.
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/009202.php
"What's with Quebec? Have they decided once and for all that they will not secede?"
The sovereignty movement is pretty much dead (although one never knows...) The 'study" on Quebec's accommodation of minorities is headed up by 2 people -- Charles Taylor, the Federalist, that means he's opposed to a separate Quebec -- and an avowed Separatist (the brother of Bouchard). They are going to have a website operational in August, along with hearings scheduled for Sept. (the report will be tabled in the Quebec parliament around March (?) 2008).
Yes, the Bloc Quebecois was the Federal Separatist party (in Ottawa). But The Bloc is all but defunct. Yes, Taylor actually sounds the more troublesome -- ironically, potentially more troublesome than his Separatist co-chair! (The Separatists sound as if they are far less likely to willingly accommodate Muslims/Sharia, etc., they have a strong French identity. It's the leftist - Liberal -- Taylor types who sound like the willing Dhimmis...the cultural suiciders.)
Fanatic,
I've never been to Vancouver, but I love BC and Alberta. I think a lot of Iranians fled when the shah fell and they're probably not that devout, but that takes more research.
I worry that some Canadians think they're immune to terrorism because the big guns are focused on the US. I hope you're wrong, that it won't take a massive attack for people to admit the danger they face. Unfortunately, I think we have the same problem here. As 9/11 fades into memory and Iraq gets worse, more and more people will say the threat is exaggerated and that they're just like us and only want to live in peace.
How many people think OBL's operatives are buying weapons to attack in other places than Canada and that it's nothing they need to worry about?
Big ships turn slowly in the wind. It's a slow process but maybe all of the non-Muslim communities are awakening to the danger that they face, that it's not just the US.
We must all hang together or assuredly, we shall all hang separately.
Thanks
Fanatic,
Amazing. The man is an Iraqi.
How many people told us that Saddam was a secularist and would not deal with al qaeda?
Saddam said he knew nothing about him, but given his meticulous records on friend and foe, we're expected to believe he never heard of this guy.
How convenient.
I believe I have just solved the conflict in the Middle East.
Since there is a lot space in Canaka, why don't they settle the Judeo-Nazis in a land that is more European-like since that's where they came from. Canaka will do the world a huge favor by finally granting the Zionists a land and therefore the West will redeem itself of all the guilt it feels from the crimes their brother Hitler(the civilized Westerner)committed in Europe.
But wait, Judeo-Nazis loathe muslims too, never mind.
Whichever scout works nights at JW, Khomenied the following post from a Canadian Arab Shiite.
http://www.abdiel.ca/node/105
Was it because Spencer-Fitz weren't mentioned? I won't risk posting other links, but the Shiite posts a dhimmi report on a camp where Islamofems between 8 and 12 learn how to be an Aisha.
progressive, why should Israel have to give up the land they have lived in for 4,000 years? A tiny strip of land, the only free country in the middle-east...the moslems have all the rest. And what have the Israelis done with the tiny strip of land? It blooms like a rose for them.
You can fight the God of Israel if you choose, but you will lose.
That's not true, the Judeo-Nazis have European backgrounds;they don't look like the original israelites. These are professional land robbers with Western support.
The Jews can trace their bloodlines back to Adam and Eve. The Israelis are Jews. Jews have had a presence in the land for 4000 years. The Temple Mount is there, the evidence of their presence is in and under the soil of Israel, the "paleos" try to destroy all evidence, but they can't hide it all.
The last few times I have been in downtown Toronto, I have seen at least two women wearing the full niqab (sp?) with only a slit for their eyes.
It is common now to see women and girls wearing the hijab in Toronto.
Someone please ban "progressive". The term "Judeo-Nazis" is highly offensive.
progressive, you need to watch this..
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
A statement put up frequently at Jihad Watch:
"The large-scale presence of Muslims in the countries of Western Europe has created a situation that for the indigenous Infidels, and other Infidels among recent immigrants, is far more unpleasant, expensive, and physically dangerous than would be the case without such a large-scale presence."
Few intelligent and aware Infidels will disagree with that statement; and none can disagree with that convincingly.
And the only modification to that statement that might now be required is to add, after "of Western Europe" the phrase "and North America."
Despite every conceivable kind of propaganda designed to make Infidels unwary, to stifle discussion and to censor critical scrutiny of Islam, despite this at every level among those who presume to decide what others "should" think and "should" feel, and there is plenty of that in Canada, despite that, more than a third -- without any prompting, and despite all the propaganda inflicted on them to prevent them from coming to such a conclusion -- believe that Christian (really: non-Muslim) relations with Muslims will worsen.
In fact, they cannot be good, because of what the texts of Islam so clearly inculcate, and what every apostate from Islam, every defector from the Camp of Islam, has so frighteningly described to us.
In Western Europe many wish they had known thirty years ago what they know now, despite their elites and their rulers who have trifled so cruelly with their safety and wellbeing in letting in, without much or any thought, so many Muslims, allowed to settle deep behind what Muslims themselves are taught to regard as enemy lines. In Canada and the United States there is still time to learn from the unhappy experience of the Netherlands, Great Britain, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Italy, France, Spain, Germany. Still time.
And whether or not there is agreement on what should now be done, what makes the best and most obvioius sense, whether or not one is offended by, or finds justified and unremarkable the measures undertaken by the wise, advanced, tolerant statesmen of tolerant and peaceful Czechoslovakia in 1946, in dealing with another perceived threat (that of the Sudeten Germans) -- one can hardly disagree with that initial statement.
"Really scary is the NDP. They appear to support Hamas"
Posted by J.S.
Also worthy of "honorable mention" is the fact that one of that snake oil salesman Jack Layton's star candidates was a Muslim woman sporting the hijab and that it was the former Ontario NDP attorney general, Marion Boyd, who lead the effort to have Shari'a law brought into the Ontario family courts.
progressive your comments sound racists to me. Jews migrated over the world for the last two thousand years and have intermarried with other people where they lived. So you will see differences among them. About have of the present Israeli now living in Israel are from other middle East countries where they were kicked out with nothing but the clothes on their backs. If you look at the history of the ME you will note that the Arab have taken over and pillaged all of the ME from where they orginally came from the Saudia Arabia. So if you are looking at lang grabers perhaps you should take a gander at the pious arab muslim.
Here is yet another CAIR scripted "report" on the need for affirmative action for Muslims. CAIR is allied with home groups that oppress non-Muslim minorities in the Islamic gutters. Yet, here they are able to pose as civil rights champions.
http://www.thechicagocouncil.org/taskforce_details.php?taskforce_id=8
I am convinced that there is resistance - even here - to comprehend the depth of gullibility that would be required to believe CAIR garbage. If this was the Soviet Union, they would be in the Politburo.
Here is a catchy tune, progressive. Enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8epm1aRAHFk
Someone please ban "progressive". The term "Judeo-Nazis" is highly offensive.
Posted by: Josephine
I am not in favor of banning people simply because their idiocy is showing. 'Progressive' obviously has a hard time expressing himself. His vocablary is limited, he is straining hard to say what he mean's. The word's just dont come to him as well as some other's. That's why he sound's illogical and stupid...It's not his fault, he probably went to school in Pakistan, with Barak H Obama. So let's give him a break, maybe if he hang's around long enough, he will learn enough to contribute something meaningful, or even want to apostate himself from Islam. If he did that, it would be a good deed...
I also recall the first time I encountered the Black Bag (slit only for eyes) -- bumped into said critter as she/he was exiting from a bank. And this was late 90s? 1997? Then I began to notice all the Hijab wearers...and this is in Alberta.
You see them everywhere (I spotted one the other day trying to adjust its/hers/his veil -- making a pathetic attempt to peer at a product in a store -- I guess the critter was half-blinded, and was frantically/furtively attempting to adjust the veil so as to be able to see...and hoping no one noticed.)
Anyway, the males are much more aggressive and openly antisemitic (they just blurt out who it they despise -- they're flat-out racists -- it's quite shocking listening to some of them...If they figure you're non-Jewish, they let everything out...they're not what you'd call "assimilated" to Canadian "values." many, not all, are basically KKKers.)
But Hassan's father, Ibrahim Hirsi, and several Somali elders questioned the Police Department's investigation. Hirsi said his son has denied making the threat even though police claimed to have a confession.
"He said, 'I didn't do it,' " Hirsi said. "He had no lawyer. He was in the room alone with him (the detective)."
Young Mr. Hassan just got off the hook tonight because of procedural problems with the police. He’ll be back at school soon and is probably enjoying a frosted doughnut tonight, having a good laugh. Bet you didn’t even know that a young Muslim male had confessed to threatening to blow up a school in Maine. It didn’t make the local news. The last thing we need is the proles getting nervous.
http://www.somalilandtimes.net/sl/2005/205/23.shtml
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knight a sweater. Good night.
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knit a sweater. Good night.
And so, wheedle cry-baby toddles off to knight a sweater...ah...how sweet.
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knit a sweater. Good night.
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knit a sweater. Good night.
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knit a sweater. Good night.
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knit a sweater. Good night.
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knit a sweater. Good night.
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knit a sweater. Good night.
There are a lot of sissies on this blog. You people want to ban because my comments are mean, you cry babies, take it like a man and stop sobbing. If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knit a sweater. Good night.
oops did not mean to do that
Yeah, yeah, go knight your Salman Rushdie sweater...
Hey progressive!
Tell ya what; I have an even better solution to the problem of "Palestine". The Arabian peninsula has lots of open space, its just covered with sand instead of snow. Take all the Arabs out of "Palestine" and move them back to where they came from!
I'll betcha that in less than 200 years, you won't be able to tell the difference between them and the local Arabs...wait, we can't tell the diff now! They speak the same language, practice the same religion, even the same culture. Yet their Arab "brothers" have kept them cooped up in refugee camps for 60 years!
Look at some history progressive...there was no such thing as a "Palestinian people" until recently, never so much as a coin or a stamp. There was never a move towards an independent "Palestine" when Jordan and Egypt occupied Judea, Samaria, and Gaza from 1948-1967. Wonder why? The "Palestinians" are an artificial construct created solely to deny the Jews the right to their own homeland. The very notion that there is such a thing as "Palestinians" is therefore racist and anti-Semitic. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
The Jews have maintained a separate unique identity through 2000 years in diaspora. That's a hell of a lot more important than what color their eyes are. I'll make you a deal, if the "Palestinians" can maintain their identity in diaspora, they can come back after only 1000 years.
Oh, and one last point. Nearly half the Jewish population of Israel has their origins in the Muslim world,including countries like Iraq, Egypt, and Syria, where their presence antedates the arrival of the Arabs by 1000 years. This of course includes the indigenous Jews of "Palestine" whose presence in the land has been unbroken for over 3000 years.
then you can pretend to be "Queen of the World"!!
oops did not mean to do that
These words will be repeated by a certain demographic in probably around ten years. Maybe fewer.
In Canada and the United States there is still time to learn from the unhappy experience of the Netherlands, Great Britain, Belgium, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Italy, France, Spain, Germany. Still time.
Posted by: Hugh at June 28, 2007 10:18 PM
*****
As an American, my greatest hope is that Americans learn from the European experience. If the situation in Europe deteriorates enough, it may actually wake up a enough of our Paris-Hilton-American-Idol imbibing citizens that something proactive gets done here. (To our European cousins, it's not that we wish you ill, it's just that we know it will take something drastic to get people's attention.)
As a realist, however, my biggest fear is that our leaders and blissfully ignorant masses will read the wrong reason into what is happening in Europe. Should a backlash erupt, we will hear much wailing and compassion for the hapless, persecuted minorities. And what did we really expect from those Europeans anyway? Yes, they could smugly criticize racial divisions in the US while their little countries remained racially, religiously, and culturally monolithic, but in the end, what did they really know about multiculturalism? Unlike we Americans, of course, who have been struggling to find humane, workable solutions to these issues for 400 years. And oh, what is to be done with all those poor refugees of a resurgent Euro-centrism/fascism?
Anyone wanna bet on whether or not there will be calls (from within the US) for the US to take them in?
hmmm...."oops did not mean to do that.." You know, that sounds "progressive" -- doesn't it? I mean at least it's a recognition of having committed an error...that's a start. (Actually, I'm willing to bet that this is a Canadian...it's like that joke of a Canadian who's riding on a crowded, standing-room only bus, and another passenger steps on his foot, and the Canadian responds: "Oops, sorry!")
Hugh spoke of the Danish, so time for some humor. I hope this link works.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6254/1580/1600/117169.0.jpg
Taken from: http://cowtwngrl.blogspot.com/
PMK in regards to the large Iranian population in North Van, you are right that many were arrivals after the Shah fell. But in the Lower Mainland as we call the entire Vancouver area, there has been a steady influx of Muslim's from all over, and it doesn't seem to be a match made in heaven.
I have told this story a couple times on this site, a couple of years ago a friend of mine and I took our kids to a local indoor kids playground. When we entered we looked around and noticed approximately 150-200 Muslims, men, women and children. Many of the woman were in burqas and many of the girls refused to go near my two boys. The looks we received in there were of disgust by many, and the men all sat together at a few tables looking at us like crap.
Women took over a couple areas of the playground and turned it into a prayer space, and they took turns rotating through prayer.
My buddy and I were both laughing about the absurdity of the spectacle, but also were pissed as this is what is happening to almost every country on this planet. We are giving away our cultures to appease the Borg.
One last thing, I looked at my buddy and told him "This is all Harry Potters fault." He looked at me like I was crazy and asked why? I replied, "I don't know anyone at work besides myself that hasn't read Harry Potter, and yet almost everybody that has read about him has never read a history book."
Hum, funny how the ACLU goes after Christianity in schools but remains silent when islam is installed into schools.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50846
During the interview, Hassan repeatedly denied calling the school but later said he was afraid to admit he did. When Hassan finally indicated he made the call, the detective asked him if he anything to do with bomb threats to other schools, and Hassan answered, "no."
The detective asked him if it was a one-time stupid thing, Hassan answered, "yeah, man."
From a story tonight covering the Maine Supreme Court’s overturning of a bomb threat conviction.
http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/013365.html
I have often asked this question of other "progessives",,,
How come the al Aqsa mosque is built ON TOP of the Temple of Solomon? Who was there first?
They hate that,lol!
Hope the link works.
http://eloivsdiablo.blogspot.com/
Why muslims are Afraid of History.
"That's not true, the Judeo-Nazis have European backgrounds;they don't look like the original israelites. These are professional land robbers with Western support." - 'progressive'
This, along with his 'regressive' repeat posts, is suitable for BANNING. Childishly so Muslim. No further comment.
OT and FYI
for what it is worth sites for contacting elected representatives:
In America, to find your representative, go to
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
In Australia,
http://www.aph.gov.au/Senate/senators/index.htm
In Canada http://www.canada.gc.ca/main_e.html
Canadian Sentinel, templar and J.S....
I would just like to point out to you that you make a negative and divisive assumption when you state that "The NDP" are a Dhimmi Party. There are Dhimmis in all Parties. Please try to understand that those of us on the left ( I'm an NDP member) don't follow in lock-step with the pronouncements of the leadership, and many of us working class people are aware of the dangerous threat of Islam here in our Canada, loved by all on the political spectrum. It would be wiser to reach out to the Left as allies, and for the Left to do the same. It's useless to waste energy attacking each other. Only a fool fights in a burning building! Happy Canada Day to all fellow Canucks, and peace and freedom to all the other Nations represented by the contributors to JW!
progressive --
Please check out this website on the history Palestine and Israel:
http://www.masada2000.org/historical.html
OT
Breaking the BBC are reporting that a car bomb was found and defused in the Haymarket district of London.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6252276.stm
One more little tid-bit for those that might not know, Haymarket is a traditionaly Jewish area.
km
surprise, surprise - NOT!
Just watch the authorities do abolutley nothing for their Jewish citizens, while they bend over backwards for their muslims.
>>It's useless to waste energy attacking each other. Only a fool fights in a burning building! Happy Canada Day to all fellow Canucks, and peace and freedom to all the other Nations represented by the contributors to JW!
Posted by: centerist
Actually Gramfan I have misread the initial report, it appears the attack was in the West end of London in the Haymarket near Picadilliy.
I had confused the names with the Haymarket district in the East of London.
My apologies for the inacuracy.
Posted by: km
thanks for the correction.
Oh well,,,,I guess in any case it was just a matter of time.
But I agree that we should expect the worse when it comes to any response from the government.
Al Bebeceera Reports: London “Bomb” made safe by police
* Nothing to worry about, right? The police made it ’safe’…
* It was a just a ‘peaceful bomb’ planted by the RoP because of their grievances. Because of the misguided policies of Britain in the Middle East. Lets blame the Joozzz and get on with it, right?
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/29/al-bebeceera-reports-london-bomb-made-safe-by-police/
Assalamau Laikum Gramfram,
You ask "How come the al Aqsa mosque is built ON TOP of the Temple of Solomon"? Who was there first?
It does not matter who was there first?
The point is who will be there forever? Muhd PBUH did his journey to Allah SWT (during office hours) from there....Never can the Al-Aqsa be replaced by anything thing else...it symbolises Islam's dominance and keeps in place that Muhd PBUH was the last prophet...And THAT my friend is the real point.
As to muslims/wuslims in Canada ...they are there to stay. Your grandchildrens will buy homes using Islamic Bank Mortgage packs while sealing the deal drinking halal coke ...always not forgetting the manager popping out for prayers during the meeting.
It sort of reminds me of when I was growing up in the UK (before emigrating to Lahore) and the explosion of Indian corner shops.
On our road we had a couple of English "corner shops too". Mr Smith and Mr Holmes both opened at 9am and shut shop at 5pm. They didn't really want to compete with each other so an example Mr. Smith agreed not to sell toothbrushes and Mr. Holmes agreed not to sell newspapers.
Mr Patel...on the other hand sold both and opened at 6am and shut at 10pm.
The English pair joined forces and tried to talk to Mr. Patel about not "rocking the boat". Ofcourse Mr. Patel didn't speak a lot of English and so the 1st meeting didn't go well.
Subsequent meetings didn't take place as Mr. Patel was too busy opening a 2nd shop.
Eventually, Mr.Smith and Mr. Holmes sold their shops to relatives of Mr. Patel...who he'd sponsered to come over from India. I think both Mr.Smith & Holmes retired to old folks homes by the seaside.
I can see similar opportunities by the Canadian seaside for the Canadian "English and French" population.
Even though you used an Islamic bank to buy that condo by the seaside...it was a good buy wasn't it....!
Naseems you are still in your "twilight zone" there is no futur for islam it cannot assimulate with modern people who are forward thinking and have fought and cherish freedom. you have to look at rhe cesspoolstan you live in and understand that islam created it. you paks want to leave in droves because of the mess islam had created. you need not worry about French Canadian family, as mine has thrived and survived almost 400 hundred years in Canada. you should be ashamed of only producing two children when you say we do not have enough children. We do not feed your allah with our children but cherish them, and that is why islam does not have a futur.
ps that little mosque al Aqsa will be torn down and replaced that is just the way life will be for muslims as they have no futur. Have you wondered by in Star Trek that are no muslims? Star Trek is our futur and islam does not exist in the futur.
". If you don't have the guts to be here then go help grandma knight a sweater. Good night.
Posted by: progressive"
....I am helping grandma clean her shotgun...grandma says to tell you she appreciates your recognition of her knitting abilites, but she will be ready for things that go bump in the night.....
...Islam is for losers...
Sorry Zena:
In the episode 'conspiracy' Picard discovers that parasitic aliens have invaded Starfleet headquarters on Earth. (24th century)
Naseem:
Why ask Granfam what the importance is of establishing who came before whom (to consider Jerusalem a holy place)? Better you should go ask your fellow Islamists who churn out the wildest "research" denying there was ever a Jewish temple in the first place or any Jewish connection to Israel whatsoever and doing their level best to destroy non-Muslim antiquities.
"How come the al Aqsa mosque is built ON TOP of the Temple of Solomon"? Who was there first?"
-- from a posting above
As a display -- a flaunting -- of the power, and triumph of Islam, the Umayyad Caliph Abd al-Malik b. Marwan, in Damascus, deliberately chose the Temple Mount as the place Believers were to place or fix, that "al-masjid al-aksa" ("the furthest mosque") mentioned in the Qur'an as the place from which Muhammad went on his Night Journey ("miraj") on his fabulous winged steed Al-Buraq, all the way to the Seventh Heaven.
The phrase, some thought at the time, did not have a fixed worldly address and one way for Muslim "Reformers" to lessen Islam-prompted tensions is for them to look again at that phrase "al-masjid al-aksa" and give it a mystical, out-of-this-world, interpretation. But they can't and won't do that, because Islam is deeply of this world, it is all about this world, and the power in this world, of Muslims to lord it over non-Muslims, as it is, at the same time, about the need for Muslims to be unquestioning and submissive "slaves of Allah." Dominance, over non-Muslims, slavish obedience to what Allah has set down in Qur'an, as glossed, for some, by the Sunnah (roughly, what is in the Hadith and Sira).
Quite a blend.
For more on early Islam, and the choice of the Temple Mount as the site of "al-masjid al-aksa," and on the Dome of the Rock and its curious inscriptions (Arabic, yes, but Islamic?) see the article on this by Louis De Premare (now only in French, soon to be published in English).
"How much should we worry about Muslims coming across from Canada to attack places like Chicago? Everyone here focuses on the possibility of them crossing over from Mexico."
PMK
About as much as we should worry about muslims coming across from the US to attack places like Toronto.
We celebrate our county's 140th birthday this weekend. Happy Canada Day to all my fellow Canadian posters !
Rabbi Kahane was a visionary. His prescription was not just for Jewish people. They must go!
Assalama Laikum all,
Hugh the "al-masjid al-aksa" ("the furthest mosque") is also important in another regard.
It highlights that Muhd PBUH on his way up to see Allah SWT met other (past & more minor) muslim prophets such as Jesus PBUh and Moses pbuh.
Muhd PBUH was not afraid to take advice of their experience from the more minor prophets ... between the (agreement of all) 3 them essentially, do we have the 5 times a day prayer ritual that we see today.
BUT... Allah SWT emphasised of Muhd's prominence related to other prophets.
So, please...let's have no more discussion on whether Muhd is top Prophet or not... HE IS.
Allah SWT oversees all prophets and he has chosen.
It is little wonder that the Al-Aquisa is so important...in some ways it the seat of power of Islam..the gateway to heaven ...NEVER...NEVER, NEVER can any thing be allowed to happen to this wonderous gateway....it is the miracle of Islam.
"So, please...let's have no more discussion on whether Muhd is top Prophet or not... HE IS"
Bhains ne poonch uthayee.
Oh, that's so funny!
Muhammed is not a "prophet" at all. He never prophesied! Muhammed is a male human monster who has brought only "things evil and inhuman to the world, such as spreading his faith by the sword." Yep, that's Mo, the false prophet, and his "god" "allah," the Arabian pagan Moon god that doesn't exist.
It's so sad and pathetic that here are so many utterly duped Muslims worshipping a "god" that doesn't exist, and paying homage to a human man who was a Terrorist, Warlord, Murdering Monster.
From Matthew: "Beware of false prophets that come after me. You shall know them by their fruits."
Thank You, Jesus, for warning us about Muhammed/Islam. The 21st century Barbarians are attempting to annihilate us now, just as their Hate Manual, the Koran, commands. But, they won't win. As You know.
Islam is not a "miracle." It's a horror and of Satan, bringing only oppression, subjugation, hate, death, intolerance and destruction.
Why are Islamic countries the dungheaps of the World? Answer: Islam.
About "The NDP are a Dhimmi Party." Actually, I would say that the NDP are a Hamas sympathetic party, or a pro-terrorist party. And, I think it's very obvious that Dhimmis exist in all political parties in Canada. The unique distinction with the NDP is that the LEADERS (and former leaders) of the NDP speak out in support of Hamas.
Dr. Wafa Sultan's book, "When God is A Monster," should be out this autumn, I believe. I can't wait to read it.
I'm so disappointed that Ali Sina's book is no longer available - a psychological evaluation of the psychopath Muhammed - called "Understanding Muhammed." Still can't get it???
Assalamau Laikum Darcy,
What would you do if you didn't have Islam to read about?
You'd be dead bored wouldn't you!
"Actually, I would say that the NDP are a Hamas sympathetic party, or a pro-terrorist party."
I agree with J.S.
Naseem: "As to muslims/wuslims in Canada ...they are there to stay. Your grandchildrens will buy homes using Islamic Bank Mortgage packs while sealing the deal drinking halal coke ...always not forgetting the manager popping out for prayers during the meeting."
You're so wrong. I prophesy by your prophet's beard (your idol worship) that Islam will be declared a hate cult in the West, that your jihad ambitions will be outlawed everywhere, including (secular) Muslim countries, that all Muslims sympathetic to Islamic jihad will be rounded up and deported to Porkystan or whatever country from where came your violently suicidal religious cult of 'hate the infidels', and there in isolation from the free world you will fight each other to the death. Your Sharia will be held up as the constitution of the damned.
Write it down on a piece of bark, or what will you.
ZenaWarriorPrincess,
Back here for the first time since I was away on a Catholic Christian silent direct retreat for about a week, it looks like things have gotten quite a bit interesting here at JW/DW.
As far as the temple mount is concerned in Jerusalem, in historic truth, the temple mount does belong to the Jewish people because the two main temples were there. The two moques are there because of some dream that Muhammed had. But in the end the mount is really Jewish terroritory.
It would be wiser to reach out to the Left as allies, and for the Left to do the same.
Posted by Centerist
I appreciate your reassurance about the Left, Centerist, so I say "Thanks - but no thanks!" It may interest you to know that I used to be a strong supporter of the NDP as well until it became clear to me just what the world is facing in the unfolding of the current global Jihad, the roots of this menace in the last 14 violent centuries of Islamic supremacist imperialism, and the role that the Left has played in bringing about the current ruin in the present era. Yes, there are dhimmis and collaborators all across the spectrum, but the policies and mentalities that have brought us to this are those that emerged from the Left - multiculturalism, the overly generous welfare state, political correctness, reflexive anti-Americanism and anti-establishmentism, mistrust of wealth and development, a tendency toward conspiracy theorism, and a general affinity between hardened Socialism (which Social Democratic parties like the NDP have not sufficiently expunged from their policy manuals and political cultures) and the collectivist tribal ethos of the Arabian dessert which Islam canonizes and which evidently makes it easy for Leftists to forgive Islam's repression of women (not to mention that its electorally convenient to overlook this and other antiprogressive aspects of Islam in the interest of gaining a huge block of votes). Many of these have been made obligatory across the spectrum but this is under the sponsorship and agitating influence of the Left over many years.
Not only is J.S. quite correct in pointing out that "the unique distinction with the NDP is that the LEADERS (and former leaders) of the NDP speak out in support of Hamas", but he could have gone further and pointed out the despicable appeasement policies of the NDP on Afghanistan where they would rather see our troops winning the hearts and minds of the Taliban brutes who murder schoolgirls and their teachers with tea and cookies rather than kill them mercilessly like they should. I've spent years within the NDP trying to overcome the influence of its far left wing and to no avail (I even allowed my name to stand in two provincial elections just to allow the party to pull in its share of the popular vote). In fact, its gotten even worse under the influence of that despicable little weasel, Jack Layton and with little or no success and I'm fed up with banging my head against a brick wall. That party can not continue to ride on the coattails of the personal image of Tommy Douglas the way it has shamelessly done for years while it continues to be the incubator for such corrosive policies. There comes a time when political leaders must be accountable for the evil that they do, and no amount of excuse-making can get them off the hook. If faithful voters like me (or you) continue to stand by such people at the ballot box and reward their stinking corruption with our votes neither they, nor their organizations, will ever be brought to account or forced to change. I'm ditching the NDP for the Conservatives (the Liberals are scarecely any better than the NDP) because even though the Conservatives have plenty of their own politically correct dhimmis and other idiots, at least Conservatives historically have held the kind of values from which can emerge the kind of toughness that it takes to win a major war. I'll consider supporting the NDP, or a party like it, when it has shaken off Jack Layton and come up with a whole new set of policies that don't threaten to bring about the ruin of civilization as we know it. What kind of policies? How about, for starters, ceasing the kind of shameless pandering to aggressive minorities featured here:
http://www.cbc.ca/national/blog/video/politicseconomy/samosa_politics.html
How about demanding the exclusion of "cultural considerations" from consideration in murder trials where it provides cover for Muslim "honor killings", and legislation aimed at demanding Islamic assimilation to western values such as women's rights, secularity and the rule of secular law, and the banning of forms of dress like the burqa, the chador, the hijab and the niqab, that provide anonymity for the commission of crimes and terrorist violence (rather than wearing thier ridiculous uniforms to suck up to them for their votes). This is going to happen here just as it does in Israel and throughout the Middle East. If you doubt that take a look at this:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/014134.php
If we, as Social Democrats, really uphold women's rights surely we should be able to see the necesity of such policies to put a stop to cultural practices that clearly oppress women and serve no purpose here other than as a political provocation - unless we're so blinded by politically correct multicultural "sensitivity" that we think we owe it to these "poor, oppressed third world people" to turn a blind eye to the murder of women and children because "its not up to us to judge them". It appears to me that if there's any hope that the achievements and values of the Left in domains such as women's rights and social equality are going to be preserved, their only hope is on the Right, because the Left is self-dissolving into a mass of contradictions and rottenness, and I'm no longer willing to waste any time on Jack Layton's NDP. You can be my messenger to that flimflam man if you want to. You can tell him that my message to Stephen Harper will be "Stay the course in Afghanistan!" When will it be time for the mission to end? When one of two things happen: when the Taliban, and the related riffraff like al Qaeda and Hamas, either disslove, or when, after the war widens to include Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and maybe some of the other cesspools created by 14 centuries of Islamic repression and backwardness, these countries lie in ruins and the victorious armies of the west and other allies deal with them as we dealt with Japan and Germany after World War II by imposing constitutions that put an end to political Islam once and for all and destroy everything else that has made Islam the ruin of these countries.
If the Left has to take its lumps in order for us to arrive at that end that's an acceptable price in my opinion. But that's something that its up to the Left and its followers to figure out. So don't waste time trying to convert me to the Left - I've already "been there, done that!" Instead, tell your left wing friends to get their heads out of their butts and their minds sorted out.
Naseem
It matters who was there first because you lot always claim the Pallies are "occupied" which is total bull***.
I suggest it is the pallies who should get out of the Jewish lands they are occupying!
But of course legitimate history is not a strong point for any muslims, anywhere.
They make it up as they go along to suit themselves.
I don't fear Muslims, I am beginning to hate them as much as they obviously hate us.
Lefty
On the same page as this article appeared in the National Post was this disgusting advertisement;
How to convert to a muslim;
http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/204/
It is disturbing how the polsters framed the questions. The questions assumed that the group the Muslims would be clashing with was "Christians" and not people generally in favor of a secular government depite their religious beliefs.
It is like they use 'Christian' as a cover-word for all non-Muslims when talking about clashes with Muslims, and then go back to using it to mean a religion when talking about other sorts of clashes.
This, I think, reflects an adoption of the divide-and-conquer method being used currently by Islamic propogandists. Reporting of skewed polls like this get non-religious people thinking of it as a religious conflict, and not a conflict between supporters of theocracy and supporters of religiously-tolerant secular government.
Shame.
o, please...let's have no more discussion on whether Muhd is top Prophet or not... HE IS.
Allah SWT oversees all prophets and he has chosen.
Naseems we will cease to discuss your allah when islamist stops murdering people. since your cult of death will eventually be defeated as it cannot even live peacefully with other cultures it seems we will need to discuss islam and its best course of desctruction. Educations first priority for all non muslims to learn the truth about islam.
islam equals death!
LOL! Nope, if I want to read something really exciting, I read Shakespeare. Islam doesn't have a Shakespeare, does it? Nope. In fact, Islam has no literature but the Koran. A War Manual.
But, since I, like many others, are trying to save Western civilization from the Islamic Barbarians, I do read about Islam. That's the only reason. Otherwise, I wouldn't touch such ignorance and such evil. I wouldn't even think about it.
Centerist, J.S., templar,
Granted, there are dhimmis in every party, and also nice people, such as you Centerist in the NDP. I have many friends who vote NDP, and am myself member of the Canadian Green Party (although of center-right persuasion).
That a party like the NDP promotes left-wing ideas is alright, and certainly worth debating. However, like J.S. and Templar, I am simply appalled by all their pro-jihad, pro-sharia, pro massive third world immigration, anti-American, anti-Israel positions, and the enthusiasm with which they promote them.
If anything, they seem to be spending more time and energy on various anti-Israel and pro-terrorist demos than on debating taxation policy or universal healthcare or what have you. And certainly more than on women's rights, gay rights, secularism, and all other progressive causes.
Because of Islamic entryism in politics, and useful idiots such as those leading the NDP, I believe this party is a lost cause, at least for now. I hope I'm wrong, and I wish you much luck if you stay on board and try to bring back some common sense into the party.
As for me, I don't know anymore. If an election were held today, I'd probably vote for Stephen Harper's Conservative Party. Ever since his unequivocal statement of support for Israel against Hizballah in the summer 2006, he gained my respect.
Happy Canada Day!
Happy Canada Day!
This was an interesting thread. I learned about Vancouver. I live in Calgary, and I think most muslims here are from Egypt or have connections.
Centrist:
In typically polite Canadian fashion, I'm here now to issue an apology for the brusqueness of my earlier comments. Like Martin, I appreciate the magnanimous tone of your comments.
In writing as I did I just wanted to make it clear why, in conscience, I can no longer support the NDP. This came as an extremely hard decision for me, indeed a painful one, because I was raised in a family with deep roots in the Saskatchewan of T.C. Douglas, "the flagship of social change in North America" (as it was once eulogized) and had, consequently, been a lifelong supporter of the NDP. Nonetheless, it was one which, as I became more aware over the last couple or three years of the broader context of historical development globally and the place of global Jihad within it, was inevitable.
Like Martin, however, I hope that you are able to make a difference for the better within that party if you decide to maintain your present affiliation.
And so, like so many other posters, I want to wish you a very happy, and safe, Canada Day. Cheers! :-)
Centerist:
I can't spell late at night, but as one proud Canadian to another, I hope you read my last comment just the same. Take care.
Templar, J.S., Martin
Thank-you for your input on my comments.
Templar, thanks for your typically Canadian polite reply and Canada Day wishes :). Actually, I don't try to convert anyone(that's why I am so concerned about the future risk because I don't like anyone trying to convert me either!)and I'm suprised that you would interpret any of my statements as attempt at conversion. I respect and will at least consider the ideas and opinions of left and right equally. I'm also appalled at the culturally-suicidal and Islamic-radical ( by Islamics in Canada party workers) influenced policies of Mr. Layton. Its a general malaise amongst the Left's leadership, but does not necessarly reflect the views of the working class who still support the NDP as a legitimate voice for the workers. We who are not in the Ivory towers or slaves to P/C see the menace to a decent and free way of life.
I think its clear that the NDP and the bourgeois mainstream parties are not capable of perceiving the risks and dangers that our country faces, or of mounting any kind of effective opposition to Islam here in Canada. I don't support the Afhgan mission because our forces are needed here for internal security. Why waste our youth on such a futile gesture? There will never be peace in Islam lands and frankly, who cares? I don't buy into the "fight them there so we don't fight them here" paradigm. I'm sure you all realize that the time to fight them here is already now.
Therefore, we should let go of differences in politics at this time and concentrate energy on waking people to the need for resistance here. I would work for and support any new Party that rejects the paralytic or actively traitorous policies of existing parties and has the will to do the hard tasks ahead that will become necessary.
As for multiculturalism, I believe it still works well and makes us a strong and vibrant land, with the one huge exception of the incompatables. We must work to be inclusive of decent law abiding immigrants, workers, farmers, business, unaffected intellectuals and students. We need to convince them to stand together even if there are some ideological differences. We must stay hopeful and positive, a new and vibrant resistance will come.
Once again I appreciate hearing input from fellow Canucks. With respect to all other nations posting here, there's no place like Canada!