Death to Israel! But, since you're not dead yet... Save us, Israel!
"Scared Gazans clamoring to enter Israel," by Sarah El Deeb for the Associated Press:
EREZ CROSSING, Gaza Strip - Trapped by Israeli tanks and Hamas gunmen, hundreds of terrified Palestinians holed up in a stench-filled concrete tunnel at a border crossing Tuesday, desperate to flee the Islamic militants now ruling the Gaza Strip.
Israel took in two people hit by Hamas gunfire, 24 hours after they were wounded in an assault on the tunnel, but officials remained steadfast in rejecting pleas to throw open the border. Three people wounded in the Gaza fighting last week also were allowed into Israel.
Israeli officials permitted a food shipment into Gaza for the first time since Hamas seized control in five days of fighting with the Fatah movement of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. That eased concerns about a humanitarian crisis in the impoverished coastal territory.
The crowd at the Erez crossing included dozens of Fatah fighters, who Israeli officials feared could destabilize the West Bank, which is separated from Gaza by about 30 miles of Israeli territory. Officials said most of those seeking to cross were not in danger.
As the standoff stretched on, the scene inside the tunnel grew increasingly desperate.
Women, children and young men sat between two high concrete walls about 10 yards apart, looking tired and grimy. Suitcases and trash were strewn on the ground. Some people sat on mats, others on bare asphalt, including several men with bloody bandages on their legs.
A breeze barely stirred between the walls. The tunnel, which has no toilets, reeked of urine and sweat.
"It's disgusting. People are using the walls as toilets. The women are suffering," said one man, refusing to be identified out of fear for his safety. He said people were on edge and fighting over food.
In one instance, a crowd attacked a food cart, "and only the strong got the food," the man said. Later, Israel sent in five cartons of food, he said. "There was order because they made everybody sit down," he said.
The man said some in the tunnel feared Hamas members had infiltrated the crowd to spy on them.
Late Monday, gunmen from a small Hamas-allied group, disguised as civilians, pulled guns and grenades out of their luggage and killed the nephew of a notorious Fatah militia leader who had been slain by a Hamas mob last week, witnesses said. Fifteen people were wounded.
Nearly 24 hours after the attack in the tunnel, Israel allowed in two of the wounded Tuesday, army and medical officials said. Three other Gazans wounded last week also were let in. The army did not identify the wounded, who were taken to Israeli hospitals.
An Israeli activist group, Physicians for Human Rights, said Israel's Supreme Court scheduled a hearing Wednesday to hear its petition seeking to force Israeli authorities to offer immediate medical treatment to anyone needing it at Erez.
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Witnesses estimated 600 people were huddled in the long concrete passage that leads to the Israeli side of the crossing. About 100 were believed to be fleeing Fatah security men, with the others civilians seeking a better life in the West Bank.
Israel, which has sophisticated weapons screening equipment at Erez, said it was letting only the staff of international organizations, people with special permission and humanitarian cases to cross.
"We don't think that all of them there are threatened," Nir Peres, a military liaison officer, told Israel Radio.
They voted for these Hamas s###s.
Toss them back to Gaza.
Make them understand that because they are Muslim they are as infected by the same virus as Hamas Muslims.
The only people I feel sympathy for is non-Muslims caught up in Gaza, that is all.
Nearly all Palestinians are Muslim. 99.99%
So Gazian Muslims ought to feel comfortable in the presence of Hamas Muslims. I have zero sympathy.
Where, oh, WHERE is the outcry against terrible treatment of Palestinians (...which is done by....well, OTHER Palestinians!)?? Why are our American universities not filled with weeping sympathizers with their b.o. and blowhorns decrying this outrageous treatment of Palestinians? Most certainly there are refugees because the muslims are doing to each other things that are indeed acts of war (and are FAR worse than anything Israel has done to a Palestinian!) Why doesn't some shaggy, dred-locked student, say from, oh, UC-Santa Cruz, get over to Gaza and stand in front of the Hamas militia as they do the Israeli tanks? Come on, WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? If you don't holler at these acts of atrocity, quite obvious to those who huddle near the border, you show yourselves to be the weak and cowardly snivellers that we all knew you were anyway. Your duplicity shines brightly today, American Palestini-ats!
I covered this too the other day. At first, I was aghast at the naked hypocrisy at work here - but then I realised that there may also something positive we can take away here - in that it tells us that there may be many more ordinary 'citizens' of the Gazan thugocracy than we think, that just aren't buying what either Death Cult faction has to offer.
After all, why else would the 'Grand Mufti' of Al Quds issue a fatwa ordering that no-one attempt to leave? And, since we all now how serious the consequences of breaking a fatwa can be for the continued health of the individual concerned; why so many would be prepared to defy it.
My point? I think this society (if it can be called that) is far more riven than we think - and I don't mean between Hamass and Fatah.
Inshallah
This flight into Israel by those dedicated to eliminating the Jewish state, and who spend their time trying to kill Israelis and demonizing them, though they know, in the end, that the Israelis are not the demons they paint them but far milder -- always and everywhere -- than their fellow Muslim Arabs -- also took place more than 30 years ago, during the fighting between Black September and the Jordanian army.
Here is an in-medias-res excerpt:
"The fighting began the following day, with the Jordanians laying down an artillery barrage against the PLO stronghold of Zarqa. Within hours similar attacks were taking place throughout Amman, at the strategic Jabal Al Hussein, and against refugee camps such as Al Wahdat (which had been the first to raise the flag of the Republic of Palestine). Arafat used the word 'genocide' to describe what was happening to the Palestinians, while urging his fighters to resist. The Palestinians fought well, but there were already discouraging events in the works. Iraqi army units which Arafat had counted on refused to come to his aid and were seen retreating to a distant safe area.
On September 18th, Arafat's men were still holding out, and the Jordanian army was failing to make any progress at all, let alone the easy victory that was expected. The Arab League issued appeals for a cease to the fighting, but little real action was taken. By the end of the day, poor logistics and disorganization among the Palestinians began to take a toll, and several units were running out of ammunition. By early morning on the 19th of September, armored units from the Palestinian Liberation Army and and regular units from Syria invaded northern Jordan, driving towards Amman. Arafat's propensity for propaganda was put to use as he declared northern Jordan a liberated area.
The fighting in the streets of Amman was bloody. Neither side took any prisoners, many innocents were raped and killed, and much of the city was set ablaze. Following this battle, there were several meetings to attempt to bring an end to the violence between the sides. Despite ever-rising animosity between Arafat and Hussein, a truce was hammered out between the sides by Sharif Nasser. However, immediately after this truce was set, Nasser died suddenly, and the agreement was never observed.
Arafat returned to Jordan after the negotiations and set up headquarters in Ajlun, a city in the north. He sent repeated messages to Hussein professing moderation and promoting a policy of live and let live, but the atmosphere had already become too poisoned for any amicable settlement. The final Jordanian move to liquidate the Palestinian resistance took place in July 1971. The Jordanian army pushed the Palestinian forces to a corner of the country, bordering Israel and Syria, and crushed them there. Arafat's screams of genocide drew Arab protests and led to the closure of the Iraqi and Syrian borders with Jordan and suspension of Kuwaiti aid, but these measures could not alter the fate of the Palestinian fighters. Another three thousand Palestinians died in the next two weeks of fighting. The ferocity of the onslaught forced many of the Palestinian fighters to flee across the Jordan River to seek asylum in Israel. After hiding in a cave for some time, Arafat managed to call in a favor from Munib Masri, a member of the Jordanian Cabinet, and escaped into Lebanon with two thousand of his fighters."
Please note that penultimate sentence: "The ferocity of the onslaught forced many of the Palestinian fighers to flee across the Jordan River to seek asylum in Israel." And so they threw away their guns, waded across the river, into the comparatively benign, and certainly mercifully non-Muslim arms, of the waiting Israelis.
A moment to ponder.
And so is the one right now, the sight of those Fatah-men, trying to escape into Israel.
We have a whole series of paintings called "The Flight Into Egypt."
Who will produce for these kraussian last-days-of-mankind times, paintings called "The Flight Into Israel"?
Just like the Gazan villagers who stole truckloads of dirt from their own dam at night and sold them till finally, of course, the dam broke and they drowned in their own shit, Islam MUST be allowed to drown in its own 'waste products'. This is the only lesson they need. If you are a tender hearted liberal think of it as 'tough love'.
How do you call to uprising of Palestinians agains Palestinians?
In-tifada.
Poetic justice.
Pretty funny...those eeeeeevil JOOOZ treat them better than their own people they voted for, and trying to head for Israel since it's SAFER.
Still...I wouldn't let them in, it's a guarantee that terrorists will use them to infiltrate into Israel proper, and the poor folks have nobody to blame for this hellhole but themselves.
Don't let 'em in...it's a blatant trojan horse.
"Come on, Israel, be a pal. We didn't realize that when we elected (in a landslide) genocidal terrorists that they'd commit acts of terror and genocide against US! We just thought they were going to kill the evil Jews, you see. Easy mistake."
The irony is too much to even comment...lol.
Once again, I'm reminded of the story about Himmler in the waning days of the Reich, as he scrambled like a rat in the ruins to keep himself alive. In an example of Teutonic Chutspah, the Reichsfuher, suggested to a (swedish?) diplomat that the time was at hand for the Jews and the National Socialists to "bury the hatchet."
Excellent historical correlation MP. I was thinking the exact same thing.
I'm afraid if I really wrote what I thought about this topic that I'd be banned from the internet
. . . the irony is suffocatingly delicious
oops, me wrote !
shit !
A Question: Aside from this latest mess, does anyone know how the Gaza was to be connected to the West Bank if ever they had a country? Would Israel be expected to give up more land in the south center of their country to provide a highway/walkway or something between these two territories? I have never heard that discussed.
Oh the ironies! And Hugh's post with historical precedent is also most instructive - the PLO on Black September fleeing their Jordanian Muslim 'brothers', to fling themselves on the mercy of ...the Jews.
I understand, from another news item concerning those who are trying to flee Gaza, that the Israeli soldiers threw BOTTLES OF WATER out of their tanks to the Gazans nearby. You see, they take their Scripture seriously, too. NOT 'kill the Unbelievers wherever you find them', BUT "if thine enemy be hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he be thirsty, give him water to drink; for thou shalt heap coals of fire upon his head, and the LORD shall reward thee" (Proverbs 25: 21-22).
I recommend a reading of the Book of Proverbs. There is much that sheds a searing light upon the murderous Quranic goings-on in Gaza. For example, 6: 16 - "These six things doth the LORD hate, yea, seven are an abomination unto him: a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood. An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren" (let us recall that Dante placed Mohammed among the Sowers of Discord). We may profitably reflect upon 26:17 - "he that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is as one who taketh a dog by the ears" (now do we understand Israel's prudent reluctance to wade into the bloody swamp of Gaza where Muslim preys upon Muslim?). Note that little throwaway line in the article under discussion - "a crowd attacked a food cart, 'AND ONLY THE STRONG GOT THE FOOD' the man said. Later, Israel sent in five cartons of food, he said. 'There was order because they [the Israelis - soldiers? those young IDF soldiers whom the anti-Zionist "peace activists" in the West love to hate?] made everybody sit down,' he said."
Fools may claim that Quran and Bible are 'the same'. They are not. The Book of Proverbs alone is packed with many more sober, down-to-earth and universal moral and spiritual counsels and arresting epigrams than can be found in the whole of the Quran. We may see the difference between Jewish and Muslim cultures, informed by their two so very different Books, as we observe the contrast between Sderot and Gaza, or between those young IDF soldiers giving food and water to people who hate them, and the gunmen of Hamas and Fatah murdering one another in the streets.
As for the slanderers of Israel, the propagandists for 'Palestine', there's a proverb that fits them like a glove: "He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are an abomination to the LORD" (Proverbs 17: 15).
There is a border to the southwest. Where are the crowds lining up to get into Egypt? Guess they know which direction they would be better off.
And how many of these fatah goons will this fool of a President Bush and his sidekick Condhimmieza Rice allow to emigrate to the States?
I love watching these jackasses kick the crap out of each other! How can this facilitated even more? What an advertisement for the ROP
dumbledoresarmy,
Those are all great proverbs, but right about now I'm leaning (and it's a near horizontal lean) toward "As ye reap, so shall ye sow" with regards to Muslims generally.
Seal off the border and let them go at it.
In a sane, just world, Israel and the rest of the civilized world would isolate Gaza and cut off all food, fuel, water and electricity until Hamas collapses under civll war and the ensuing, enduring chaos that would inevitably result. While the embargo is in place, a plan should be drawn up for Jordan (or anywhere else in Islam - not, thank you, in any Western or infidel lands) to absorb all of Gaza's inhabitants, who should be transferred out, en masse, forthwith. If necessary, Israel and its allies should hold their noses collectively and offer cash to Jordan as a sop to start -and finish - the transfer. Once completed, Israel should retake Gaza for itself.
Under no circumstances should Abbas be considered a negotiating partner, nor should Fatah, as an entity, receive any recognition in this or any other matters.
The above being accomplished, the next phase should be undertaken, which would consist of more of the same, i.e. the transfer of West Bank Palestinian Arabs into Jordan or other places in dar ul-Islam, infidel lands being off-limits. Most, if not all, of the West Bank should, as before, become part of Israel in perpetuity. For defense purposes, a no-man's land along the Israel-Jordan border may be necessary, mined and policed by the IDF to keep out Arab infiltrators.
U.N. resolution 242 cannot be implemented. There never will be a peaceful resolution of the border issue, as a result of Arab/Muslim irredentism and implacability. So Israel must do what it must to survive, and defend itself. To allow a vast, growing hostile populace in its midst cannot continue. The Palestinian Arabs must be expelled. It is particularly urgent that Gaza be subdued, and its population transferred. It is a permanent menace.
Let them go to Egypt.
maryrose, it would cut Israel in half.
http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html
Palestinians have been treated like children, given all aid in food, money, shelter, they never were expected to do for themselves, and when the world watched the Palestinians vote in Hammas in disgust, now like spoiled children they cannot stand up for themselves. At least in the West we fought for our freedoms, and earned our freedoms.
Freedom is not free and has a very high price, its time the Palestinians stood up like adults throw the bastards out. To the credit of the regular Italians they hung mulsolini when they got fed up with such a dictatorship. so dont feel sorry for these childish Palestinians, stand back and let them find their way.
Fatah will do just fine with the 86 million Rice want's to give Abbas. While at the same time, Hamas is thanking the US for all the weapon's they took away from Fatah. And all the new one's they will get from the west bank Fatah when they crumble.
Yes, let Bush/Rice give um more of our money. What do we care, we got lot's of it. Abbas need's numerous million's for his 'get away'. His staff a few million more. Maybe Abbas will pass a few buck's to the 'tunnel people', so they can get out of there or at least buy some deoderant...
As they have sown, so shall they reap. The Gazans have made their bed by electing Hamas to government, and they should be forced to lie in it. Let them earn a living off the land instead of off everyone else in the world.
They all embraced Hamas, and the viper nurtured on their collective bosom......bit them.
How ironic. Just push them back to Gaza and seal the crossings.
dumbledoresarmy
very good! I'm going to keep that:)
It is disappointing that the Israelis voted in the moronic Olmert. He, Bush and Blair have exacerbated the whole thing.
The muslims sense weakness and that spurs them on. If there were a Dayan or a Meir things would be different.
These people should not be allowed into Israel; no way. Let the medicins sans frontiers go to the tunnel with a few fire hoses and port-a-loos while they are at it.Feed them if necessary.That's it.
It is time the west learned that money can't buy you friends. Look at Pakistan and Egypt.
Stop paying them anything. Any one who gives them weapons is an accessory after the fact, and making things worse,just MHO.
Religion of Peace cannabilises itself
According to the BBC world, They reported it was mainly young men who where trapped at the EREZ CROSSING, stating they where officals from Fatah,and they where fleeing from Hamas because they feared for their lives, despite assurances from Hamas that they had nothing to fear in Gaza.
BBC unlike Associated Press are closer to the truth on this one
Any-Way
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/06/same-as-it-ever-was.html
Hunger. Food. Grimy. Suffering. Attacked. fatah. Men. Children. Women. Problems.
Tunnel. Pineapples. Solution. Nourishing. Effective. jihad. 72.
...both Hamas and Fatah have received arms shipments for decades through Egypt and Egypt never denied the cries from Hamas and Fatah for more weapons....Now their brothers in arms wish to leave Gaza, through Israel, not through Egypt...Egypt should open its borders to the Palestinians...Why is it so difficult for Palestinians to leave Gaza via Egypt?.....OH, Wait a Minute!, Egypt and Jordan orginally kicked these Muslims now called Palestinians out of Egypt and Jordan because they were too violent!!...If the Palestinians must flee, they should flee towards Egypt, clogging Egypts roads, filling Egypts land with Muslims more vile than the Muslims in Egypt....Let Egyptians, who have not so secretly encouraged Palestinians to attack Israel now step up and embrace the Palestinians who have been Egypts lackeys for decades....let Egypt now feed and cloth them, let Egypt shelter the Palestinians from the ...ooops..other Palestinians....
It would appear to me that a Muslims worst enemy are indeed....the other Muslims....ironically ... for many Muslims...they saviors are Christians...not Muslims....Maybe the Muslims will begin to recognize that Islam is for losers....
Pali vandals, looters and terrorists (all male) are stuck in a tunnel, trying to escape from themselves...
Israel has refused to allow them passage to the West Bank, saying that some of them are wanted terrorists, including, for example, one who was involved in 2002’s standoff with the IDF at the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.
The irony is perverse. Get a cement pump and fill the tunnel!
No, can't do that:
Israeli High Court Requires Israel to Help Palestinian Refugees from Hamas
What are we to do? Who is going to save us from ourselves?
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1181813073418&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
"'In one instance, a crowd attacked a food cart, 'and only the strong got the food,' the man said. Later, Israel sent in five cartons of food, he said. 'There was order because they [Israelis] made everybody [Gazans] sit down,' he said."
Let's give the Palestinians their own state.
"... Get a cement pump and fill the tunnel!..."
....second choice...fill tunnel with explosives and light her up.....
from above: "Where, oh, WHERE is the outcry against terrible treatment of Palestinians"
Doing what they do best blaming it all on Pres. Bush or "The West" or Israel.
I sometimes wonder where the perseption of reality has gone....
Those Palestinians should stop being so Islamophobic. Don't they know that Islam is peaceful? Hamas just wants to create an environment where their religious liberty is respected.
Time for another Jimmy Carter lecture to set them straight.
Thanks for mentioning Jimmy Carter. Down here in Katrinaland ole Jimmy's Habitat for Humanity is building a tract of about a dozen houses. The sign out front of the development boasts that they are being funded by the Saudi Arabian government. Hmmm. Is that why Jimmy hates the Joooos so much? I'd love to dig into their banking records. Besides maybe he'd like to relocate some of those poor desperate Palestinians to those new homes.
Where is Rachel Corrie when you need her?