An update on the Glasgow attack. "Flaming SUV Rams U.K. Airport; 2 Arrests," by Ian Stewart for the Associated Press:
A Jeep Cherokee trailing a cascade of flames rammed into Glasgow airport on Saturday, shattering glass doors just yards from passengers lined up at the check-in counters. Police said they believed the attack was linked to two car bombs found in London the day before.
Britain raised its terror alert to "critical" the highest possible level and the Bush administration announced plans to increase security at airports and on mass transit.
One of the men in the car was in critical condition at a hospital with severe burns, while the other was in police custody, said Scottish Police Chief Constable Willie Rae. He said a "suspect device" was found on the man at the hospital and it was taken to a safe location where it was being investigated.
Rae would not say whether the device was a suicide belt. British security officials said evidence pointed toward the Glasgow attack being a suicide mission.
"I can confirm that we believe the incident at Glasgow airport is linked to the events in London yesterday," Rae said. "There are clearly similarities and we can confirm that this is being treated as a terrorist incident."
[...]
A British government security official said the methods used in the airport attack and Friday's thwarted plots were similar, with all three vehicles carrying large quantities of flammable liquid.
Police Chief Constable said, "...we can confirm that this is being treated as a terrorist incident."
Probably more of those militant Christians. Since it does not specify what kind of terrorists, I can only assume so.
but of where they are those fellows? methodist,budist or....ups!
I ask our western governments. Why are we allowing our Democracies to be dragged into the Islamic world? Name one bennifit we non-Muslims gain by allowing Islam into the west. What possible good can come from it? Why are our governments allowing murderers and murderous theologis free and unfettered access to our societies? Why why why? My final question is ... are our leaders insane or just stupid?
What is lamentable is the BBC coverage of these recent events. Particularly on the Have Your Say forum on the BBC website. For a UK based website of a UK media outlet, trhere is not a chance to discuss these events. Howver, there are several threads going at the moment to bash the US over immigration and prevailing anti-Americanism. The UK is blowing up from Londonn to Glasgow and the best the BBC can do is to offer yet another on-going forum to bash the USA. And the BBC fancies itself the premier news service of the world. How are we to deal with this??
I've got a good idea. If we want to do societal experimentation with Islam maybe we should have them open up the middle east to Christian, Hindu, Bhudist, Atheist, Satanic, and Wiccan immigration. Oh that wouldn't work? What the barbarians of the east would murder them? You don't say!
Ameriki: "Why are our governments allowing murderers and murderous theologis free and unfettered access to our societies?"
It's due to a little something called "modern liberalism" (not to be confused with the older, classical meaning of the term).
Oh Caroline you must mean the "Progressives" not to be confused with progress.
A prowlin’ stranger can cause a shootin’
’Cause enough of a thing is enough.
That's What I Like About the West / Tex Williams & the Western Caravan
I will not bother to ask if there is one, just one, Muslim religious leader who will condemn this latest evil done in the name of the god of their prophet Mohammad, and do so publicly, unconditionally and in terms of Islamic theology. The deafening silence of Muslims that live amongst us cries out that there cannot be condemnation of these evil deeds based on the central tenets of Islam.
Why do we as a people not demand that the Muslims who live amongst repudiate those tenets of Islam that kindles the terror that engulfs us? Want to quote odds that any of the 08 presidential contenders will make such demands of the Muslims in America? Could it be that the only commandment of the post-Christian, multicultural, welfare state is that thou shall not be mean to preferred minorities. A people so rotted from within by political correctness that we lack the courage to name the enemy cannot survive much less remain free.
How many Muslims with valid British passports do you think entered America in the last 24 hours?
How’s the weather down on the Rio Grande? Don’t know how much good rags are at keeping heads dry.
What I like about the West is that it remains us that once we knew how to deal with savages. And yes I’m being deliberately, militantly politically incorrect.
What city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?
I checked on the BBC articles http://news.bbc.co.uk/ with word search for "Islam" or "islamic" all three articles. Never showed up anywhere. Isn't that strange? This is a COVER UP by the BBC. Now will go and check other sources. Their silence is deafening. At least ABC is more forthright: http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=3329695&page=1 "Authorities suspect "Terror Plot Involving Islamic Extremists." Naturally, they have to throw in that 'extremist' crap. It's in their war manual! 9:05 & 9:29. When will they understand?
Well now if the international terriorists were to really get ahold of a nuke or two, wonder what London would look like now? What a religion of Peace.
Ameriki - if moral relativism is "progress", then who am I to say that they aren't "progressive?
Ameriki the problem is that progressives never say what they are progressing towards.
Fox had many specialists on and they were all pooh-poohing the Glasgow attack.
Not that it wasn't terrorism, just that it may have been a copycat who was "inspired" by what happened in London. They were saying the bombs weren't seriously made, that they WERE jury-rigged and so definitely an amateur job.
Isn't it more likely that they took note of the fact that the detonators didn't go off in London and decided to take no chances and carry out a suicide attack if that's what it was going to take? Maybe they expected a crash to trigger the detonator? At the very least, they'd set the place on fire.
They were saying al Qaeda was too vain to try anything that couldn't at least match 9/11. Excuses, excuses.
more The Emperor's New Clothes affliction
Ameriki: "Why are our governments allowing murderers and murderous theologis free and unfettered access to our societies?"
Maybe they were bored with how peaceful the west has been lately and wanted to mix things up a bit?
Our leaders have this bizarre multi-cultural fetish that trumps everything else. Too many elected officals see themselves has citizens of the world.
First they stop an islamist attack when the bonehead crashes into some ash cans and staggers away. Now we see this vehicle, already on fire before it was on the target. What is this, attack of the stupid islamists? Will they find a bottle of booze in this vehicle as well? Whatever it is we are catching the stupid islamists or they are catching themselves I’m not sure which, but the smarter ones are out there plotting and planning even as the police are busy hunting down more stupid islamists.
progressives think they are sneaky. They are liberals who think changing their name changes what they stand for, and sounds more enlighting.
RE: Glasgow attack believed linked to London plot; suspicious "device" found on attacker taken to hospital
It's only a matter of time before these demented people do this type of thing here. My hunch is that Muslims will try to attack a school and take hostages. But what has happened in London is also a possibility. Finally (as a friend noted) the recent pet food and human food problems may be probes of the food supply. Unfortunately, all this kind of sick Muslim nonsense will only end after a catastrophic attack and a very ruthless response to the attack.
Greetings:
And everyone else is either a nongressive or a regressive?
Don’t think Al Bbcerra is so benign. My dad managed to get to seventy six before he died and managed a years worth of free TV in exchange for a lifetime of taxation.
I won’t go into the fact that he would still be here if he hadn’t been called into hospital were he caught C Diff.
Within a month of his passing the BBC sent a threatening letter to me has his son and carer. The gist was you’d be better getting a licence now or prison for you. So I rang them and said I would like a licence.
I was told I should turn off all my TV’s until I had paid for a licence (or organized payment) and if I didn’t comply or want a licence they would send out an inspector to check if I was complying.
When they mentioned the inspector I got militant. They use detector vans and you can go to prison, so my plan is to bin the TV’s and when the they arrive to inspect my home for offending TV’s I’m going to let my Doberman bark loudly at the window while I tell them to F__K Off.
They will enter my house when I’m under duress.
I wouldn’t mind but the house is sold and in three months I’ll be living on a boat and then I won’t be paying the bastards a penny because I’m no fixed address.
Just to clarify, its a sixty foot boat and in Britain boat owners have no address. Boats are considered chattels.
I'm not a tramp!
Remember that article written by Adam Curtis 'The
Power of Nightmares' which appeared on Beeb a few years ago rubbishing Terrorist fears.Well, looks like these have come back to roost along with 'Tiny Minority of Extremists.'
Was amused to read in Daily Mail that Helen Boaden one of BBC's bigwigs was actually at Glasgow Airport during the attack-and Terrorist Attack it certainly was despite whatever lies &
obsfucations Authorities put out to 'keep Masses
calm.' This is verified by eye witnesses at the
scene including a taxi driver & holiday makers.
When 6ft 5 " Asian man fought with a security guard [who was mistakenly trying to help him]
he shouted "There's a bomb!" This fellow,flames bursting out of clothing was taken to hospital
where it was discovered he was wearing some kind
of 'device." Another Asian man, unharmed was taken into Police custody-it is thought there may
have been a third man in the back who died in flames...
As Benjamin Franklin left the Convention, a group of Citizens ask what kind of government was voted into power. He said:
“A Republic, if you can keep it.”
Islamic societies become purer over time until they eventually can’t feed themselves and collapse into dictatorship.
Democracies become socialistic over time as those Citizens who excel will always be outvoted by those who don’t. They eventually collapse into dictatorship as the tax base is chased out and the economy collapses.
Plato preferred rule by philosophers. If that wasn’t possible, he preferred a military government. In his opinion, the only thing worse than democracy was dictatorship (in large part because democracy leads to dictatorship).
New members to the gun club this month: (2) Medical Doctors; (2) Senior Engineers; (1) University Student; (1) Military Retiree / homebuilder. All very articulate.
I wonder if the obvious connection between London and Glasgow will be relegated to the back pages by the NYT, dismissing them as rank amateurs and probably without even mentioning their subscription Islam at all.
When will the governments realize that the attacks will never stop as long as Islam is present in our countries. If they are muslims, we can't trust them. I don't care if a few condemn these attacks, kick them all out.
They are all terrorist. Islam = Terrorism. No more trying to be nice, something needs to be done.
OT: The Anvil may have been hacked. I'm investigating. The last 11 referrals originated with sadlyno.com I'm looking into the matter, but at this time I'm unsure what is causing the problem, what originated it and how long it will be until I have the site back online. I also am unsure as to how long it has been offline. It may have been on a few minutes since I arrived back at my office, or it could have been 3 hours.
Don't forget Iraq, and the critical role the war there plays, in bringing democracy to "ordinary moms and dads," and thereby naturally, logically -- so logically and naturally that it need never be explained -- lessening the threat of Jihad in the West.
"We are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here at home."
In these fast moving events, here's the last from Reuters news:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL2919779720070701
From the article: Police arrest 2 after London, Glasgow incidents - in northern England.
"The man, named as Peter Whitehead, said he saw a woman in what he called Muslim dress and two men in suits step out of a car which had pulled to the side of the motorway."
I guess they're not Buddhists after all.
The Anvil was up less than an hour ago, probably those darn haters again, you know, the progressives[.?.].
As for this case, I’m holding out until the authorities give me the all clear, the no islamonazis here so move along people. What can I say they have me conditioned.
CNN and FOX have given this full coeverage. Both outlets are definately not trying to gloss over the Islam connection.
Speaking of CNN, I have discovered Lou Dobbs; his coverage of the immigration debacle is refreshing. Dobbs on CNN and Beck on Headline News. Who wudda thunk it.
Nutroots: ‘We’ll report it when it happens’-
‘Unless it really happens no need to report it…’
‘Nothing happened because we didn’t report it’ -
‘ Why create a panic? No mushroom cloud has gone up yet…’
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/01/nutroots-well-report-it-when-it-happens/
The upside to the story is they failed to harm anyone and if any of the creatures did die it was for nothing.
There can be an even bigger upside if what took place opened the eyes of yet more of those who continue to sleep.
Though i do recall a customer at a nearby eatery sitting outside being asked what he thought about what happened and he said he just doesn't think about it much.
Too bad the jeep wasn't crammed with the entire umma as it burned then we could have all joined hands and had Robert and Hugh and a host of "others" leading us in a song of Koombya (sp).
I wonder if coward smells like chicken when it's burning?
A "progressive" Muslim is still backward, even retarded when compared to the West. In 1400 years they have regressed back to a 7t century A.D. mindset and call it "progress".
As the bible says "like a dog returning to lick up its' own vomit...", Muslims return to the Qur'an.
Your liberal policies finally kicking you in the teeth. You gave refuge to these scum and see what you get. Is it hard to absorb that where Islam go terror will follow.
You got it? This is all your doing, jus gotta get used to it being a dhimmi. Good luck citizens of UK.
"One of the men in the car was in critical condition at a hospital with severe burns."
I just don't understand why security officials won't use the most effective deterent against Muslim suicide bombers possible, unless it's a politically correct fear of offending the religious sentitivities of "moderate Muslims" in the Islamic world.
We spend billions on high-tech detection devices and thousands of police officers to monitor and guard airports, government buildings and military installations, when all it would take would be a few strategically placed barrels of pigs fat at threatened locations.
Suicide bombers don't mind being shot to death on a suicide mission -- that's why they're called suicide bombers -- but they do mind being splattered with a substance that would make them ineligible for their expected rewards in paradise.
To hell with any offense this might give Muslims. If they're peaceful Muslims, they don't have anything to worry about, and they certainly don't have any right to expect others to be placed in danger because of their religious objections to pork, and no secular Western nation has any right to consider their objections in formulating ways to protect it's citizens from Muslim terrorists.
It could be that so-called "moderate Muslims contemplating the possibility that they or their grandmother might go up in a ball of fire mingled with a high dose of pigs grease, might inspire them to start turning in their uncles, brothers and nephews.
Hey maybe they were Bob Dylan or "The Band" fans?
I can't get this out of my head today.
Still when I heard the idiot Jihadi jumped out on fire and some said he was enjoying being a human torch ...maybe he was singing...
If your mem'ry serves you well,
We were goin' to meet again and wait,
So I'm goin' to unpack all my things
And sit before it gets too late.
No man alive will come to you
With another tale to tell,
But you know that we shall meet again
If your mem'ry serves you well.
This wheel's on fire,
Rolling down the road,
Best notify my next of kin,
This wheel shall explode!
If this Reuters article http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSL3042197320070630 is correct, "Al Qaeda's Iraq tactics now in UK: terror adviser", Britain has just been elevated to a primary 'Iraq styled' attack zone. The jihadis are probably hoping to pull a Spain like coup, where they influenced Spain's foreign policy with one bombed train, expecting Gordon Brown to capitulate to their demands as quickly. Knowing the Brits I know, those Anglo-Saxon-Celt English, I am quite confident they are in for a rude surprise. This whole affair will blow up on the Islamists, wait and see. The PC crowd can't help them here.
The Clarkson crowd http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257292.stm is made of sterner stuff than these cowardly idiot Islamic jihadis.
Ameriki - "My final question is ... are our leaders insane or just stupid?"
That and more.
Hugh - "We are fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here at home."
They must have stowed away in the gear of some of the British troops returning from Iraq.
That must be it.
Pelayo:
It's not so much the Islamic connection as the terrorist connection. I haven't watched Fox for several hours but sometimes they give the impression that if it's not an established group then it's not terrorism. Tonight they're running a special on moderate Muslims vs Islamists.
The people I saw this afternoon were fixated on whether or not it was al Qaeda. They appeared ready to dismiss Glasgow as a copycat attack. The car was stopped by vehicle barriers and the fire was out in four minutes, so there was never any real danger, etc. If the attacker seems to be an amateur, they act like it's no big deal and give us the "don't judge all Muslims by this man" sermon.
I see the amateurs as more of a threat. There are more of them than there are of al Qaeda. Some are clumsy and get caught but you can't take for granted that they all will.
Hugh-
You have a cool head. I would really like to know why you are an "atheist" and what you mean by that term. Of course, this is not the site to have such a conversation, but I do wonder about that.
I am not an atheist. I believe there is a Supreme Being. (However, I think most of the stuff of organized religion is infantile nonsense. This Muslim stuff is absurd and one day will be a source of shame to Muslims.)
But I have personally confronted things I cannot explain, intuitive events in my life that are beyond the physical world. Such ESP style things are rare, but I've experienced a few in my life. One actually saved the life my brother. There is something more here, Hugh. I think there is a Governance and Providence that can be appealed to. I think you can ask directly-and sometimes the SOB actually answers directly.
BTW, I don't like any dogma. It leaves me feeling cold. But Almighty God is something other than this nonsense of dogmas and covers for Imperialism.
Serendipity.
I see. A cat's a cat and that's that.
"Your liberal policies finally kicking you in the teeth. You gave refuge to these scum and see what you get. Is it hard to absorb that where Islam go terror will follow.
You got it? This is all your doing, jus gotta get used to it being a dhimmi. Good luck citizens of UK. Posted by: hemoglobin"
By all that is Holy. We were forced to abandon our control over the mohammedan States in our Empire by the the 'good old US of A' after WWII because your government didn't like it that we were in control of so much of this planet. As you sowed then, so shall you reap now - regretably, we are part of the bitter harvest of your own imperialist, blatantly anti-UK policies, also. Had you left the management of these things to we who knew what we were doing, by virtue of having managed these issues for several hundreds of years and thereby gained the necessary expertise, then perhaps these petty-minded and primitive peoples would today still have been subject populations of an Empire which knew then, and still knows if it were to be allowed to resume its role, how to keep them under control.
The native peoples of Britain still know how to control the situation but because of your unwarranted, politically correct, and often heavy-handed, interference, we are repeatedly denied the right to protect ourselves. How about telling your President, his Administration and Ambassador Robert Holmes Tuttle just to back off and let us get on with it, and, while you're at it, tell Captain Randy S. Duhrkopf, USN and covert CIA Operative, to get the hell out of things he plainly doesn't understand.
Franck,
The only ruthless response that will come after a devastating islamic attack against us,will be the government bringing in the National Guard with orders to protect mosques and muslim communities against a backlash and to shoot to kill local population if things get out of hand...
God save us from another attack,but if it happens,our government will protect the muslims and silence any opposition to them.
Our government is not capable,nor willing to protect the people from illegal aliens who drink and drive,killing american people on a daily basis,they are not willing to protect us from illegal aliens who rape,murder and rob,and they are not willing to protect us from islamic murderers...we will have to protect ourselves and eventually to vote all of the current politicos out of the office.
Any Brits who happen to read at this website can make their displeasure about the role of the current USA presence in the UK known by writing to the:
US Embassy
24 Grosvenor Square
London W1A 1AE
or 'phoning:
[44] (0) 20 7894-0745
or faxing:
[44] (0) 20 7894-0726
or emailing:
DAOLondon@state.gov
and telling Captain Randy S. Duhrkopf, USN., exactly what you think of him and his President's interference in our efforts to protect ourselves. It would be really nice if he would share intelligence - something he, and His Excellency Robert Holmes Tuttle, U.S. Ambassador to the Court of St. James', have both repeatedly refused to do - citing instructions from Washington, many times in the last eighteen months, as their primary reason for not doing so. Apparently, and so we are now informed, Captain Duhrkopf and the Grosvenor Square Intelligence Staff knew several days ago that the UK was a likely target this week-end. Well, thanks a lot for the 'heads up' guys, I don't think!
Frank:
The brain is a mysterious thing. To this day, experts can not adequately explain the brain. With all our bio-electro-chemical templates, we can not explain it. The brain is one of the last great mysteries of the bio-centric world. Remember that.
I'm not an expert, but I have had experiences that you have described. I knew that my mother was having an affair with someone other than my father. I sat in the back seat of our car while my father, mother and other talked in the front seat...we were going bowling in Goose Bay, Labrador. An isolated spot
if ever there was one. Watching my mother and the other talk, I knew. It was obvious. I was barely 13.
Later problems, proved my conviction.
So, here is my problem. I did not feel that it was god that guided me or any other "Power". I felt...and to this day...that it was pure human reasoning and nothing else. Actually, human perception. Is that so wrong? Are Humans that bad without god?
But then, I don't suppose it matters that British Troops are losing their lives alongside American Servicemen in Iraq and Afghanistan. It doesn't matter that we have supported your current administration time after time on the ground and in the councils at the UN and elsewhere. All that matters, it seems, is that that the USA emerges supreme and damn the cost.
There seems to me to be no sense of solidarity here, no sense that we are both fighting a common enemy, no sense that we are both defending a common cultural and religious heritage, no sense that democracies (and I find this most damning) should stand together and defend freedom. There is only the self-interest of the USA to be considered, it appears.
Well, I'll stand by you - foolish though that makes me look! Will you stand by us? At this moment in time, I doubt it - after all, you didn't stand by us in the past until your physical reality was threatened - the great principles of Western human existence didn't mean much to you, did they? - so why should I trust you now.
Truth be told, we don't trust you now - we never did! We hope, but we don't trust. Given that your current administration appoints people like His Excellency Robert Holmes Tuttle and Defense Attache (Head of CIA, London) Captain Randy S. Duhrkopf, USN., you don't exactly give us any reason to trust you, do you?
Sorry Jonathan, I have no control over that. The powers to be have decided that we(the legit voters) don't mean anything. We are clueless. We don't understand the great picture. The plan. Short of revolution, I have no plan to counterattack such idiocy. I have no power. I am godless. So, I am really powerless. Perhaps, I'll dwindle into the landscape.
Bye.
Frank- "I see. A cat's a cat and that's that."
Who could ask for anything more than PURRfection.
The brain is a mysterious thing. To this day, experts can not adequately explain the brain.
There are two very distict conclusions that one could draw from that.
There are two very distinct, and very different, conclusions that one could draw from that.
PS
Thank you for your support. I know we are fighting a common enemy. I see what you mean. I, myself feel that there is no real support for our struggle against islamic extremism...I will not capitalize...
Foolishness aside, I will stand with you.
Solidarity.
There are three things wrong with Americans.
They are over paid, they are over sexed and they are over here.
- Joe Bloggs
Dear breezy55,
I'm not damning the American people - nor am I damning you. Stupidly, I am giving vent to my anger and hurt at once more being the target of mohammedan extremism and intolerance and I am lashing out in any direction that feels right.
What really hurts me, and many other Brits, tonight, is the (alleged) knowledge that the USA Embassy in Grosvenor Square, London, UK knew that we were about to be attacked and didn't pass on that intelligence to us on the grounds that it would compromise USA security sources in the future.
In other words, it was alright for thousands of Brits to be murdered by islamic extremists just so long as the 'sources' were protected so that they could give information that might, at some point in the future (perhaps, maybe), stop an equivalent number of Americans being murdered.
That this decision - not to pass on the information - was taken at the highest level (Ambassadorial and Defense Attache, the CIA Station Chief) - sticks in the craw. Are we in this together? It seems not! Brits can be killed and your administration can pretend that it never knew. Now, at least, we know what we are worth to your government - precisely, nothing. But you'll still expect us to support you, won't you?
It was plain and simple good luck that none of us were killed, wasn't it?
You knew! But you did nothing!
THANKS!
Of course there is. But which side do you subscribe?
Either side, could be right or could be wrong. Or maybe not. Perhaps, it isn't something we can prove or disprove. Reason on one side or faith on another. They are both very powerful concepts. And who is to say both are not controlled by bio-electic-chemical responses dictated by the bio-genetic makeup of said individual...Sorry, I forgot environment...that's so damn important!!!...poverty, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, suffice it to say, what Hugh and I say about reality conception, is not relevant. We both oppose islamic domination.
Jonathan Ralbrooke,
I for one, am perfectly aware thar Britain has been a good and faithful ally to America for many generations now, and is probably the only truly trustworthy ally we have in Europe.
I also think I can say with some confidence that the U.S. hasn't done a bad job being a faithful ally to Britain.
If it appears to you that some people on this site are hostile to Britain, I really think it's just their frustration at not hearing that the British government hasn't taken a harder line in dealing with the Islamic community in the U.K.
But if those critical of British policies towards Muslims in the U.K were really honest with themselves, they'd realize that we're not doing a much better job. Our screwball leaders are still importing Muslims into this country on a grand scale, and are still repeating the politically correct mantra that Islam is a peaceful religion. We're going to pay a terrible price for the stupidity of our leaders, just as the British people will pay a terrible price for the stupidity of their leaders -- and several other European nations are going to pay a worse price because their leaders don't seem to have clue as to what they're dealing with.
As for American attitudes towards Britain, there're few contries in the world more admired by Americans than Britain. Anything you see on this site that appears to be negative attitudes towards the U.K. is most likely frustration.
"There are three things wrong with Americans.
They are over paid, they are over sexed and they are over here.
- Joe Bloggs
Posted by: feralcat9
Neat, but the old Britworld WWII insult just doesn't have any resonance today. The three things which are wrong with Americans today are the same three things that are wrong with all of us - complacency, stupidity and political correctness - in no particular order.
You could add a fourth and a fifth, if you like, greed and ignorance - but because of the very systems in which we live I doubt that anyone reading here could possibly understand what I am driving at!
JR
I, too, have seen the three signs you mentioned here in America. I have been assaulted by it. Vilified by it. Just down right confounded by it. At the moment, I have no idea how to confront and assail it. When I do, I am confronted by the three distinctions that you raise. The problem is that nobody thinks about it...or anything. They just react. Against this, rationality has no recourse when irrationality rears its ugly head and lashes back with attacks of pc stupidity and angry irrationality. To lash back only foments greater tirades and aggressive behavior. They attempt to drown out the dissenting voice or say they don't care even though at one time it may really effect their life. It is frustrating, no doubt. As I always say to myself, perhaps, reason will win out..and than a shudder down my spine, paralyzes me.
JR
I, too, have seen the three signs you mentioned here in America. I have been assaulted by it. Vilified by it. Just down right confounded by it. At the moment, I have no idea how to confront and assail it. When I do, I am confronted by the three distinctions that you raise. The problem is that nobody thinks about it...or anything. They just react. Against this, rationality has no recourse when irrationality rears its ugly head and lashes back with attacks of pc stupidity and angry irrationality. To lash back only foments greater tirades and aggressive behavior. They attempt to drown out the dissenting voice or say they don't care even though at one time it may really effect their life. It is frustrating, no doubt. As I always say to myself, perhaps, reason will win out..and than a shudder down my spine, paralyzes me.
Dear 'rational',
I couldn't agree more if I tried.
We, the peoples (note the plural) have everything in common. It is to be lamented that our leaders do not fully appreciate Mr. Spencer's cogent analyses of the various positions adopted by mohammedan theologians, nor do they seem to appreciate the hard academic graft that he puts into researching the mohammedan position on a variety of issues.
Simply put, they seem unable to grasp the one simple fact - that mohammedanism (islam) as expressed today (and probably throughout the ages) - is inimicable to Western thought patterns and Western morality and should, as a consequence, be resisted. Instead, they are obviously intent on adopting a method of thought, a pattern of thought, reliant upon their own experiences of growing up in a liberal (with a small 'l') democracy which assumes that others, no matter what their religious beliefs might be, will share their values. Our current political leaders are at best naive and, at worst, fools or charlatans.
Since it is obvious that our political leaders are not charlatans then it must be obvious that they are fools - and under-educated, willing dupes and fools, at that. Strangely, they are both the product, and the creators, of the very system which we all denigrate and they, and we, by our inaction, helped to create.
They do not betray us wilfully - they betray through ignorance. The very ignorance which we were complicit in creating in the first place - the ignorance which we, today, call 'human rights' without having any understanding of what that phrase human rights actually means. Under that umbrella of human rights we grant so much, and much correctly and much we would not dream of challenging, but much, so very much, which is no more than a licence to destroy our cherished and hard-won freedoms.
It is our conscience that the islamist, the believer in islam, the mohammedan attacks. It is our sense of what is right, what is fair, what is correct which they seek to undermine - radical or moderate, they seek to tell us that we have no worth, that OUR spiritual treasure chest is empty or, worse, non-existent. And in our massive movement towards creating a fair and just society, rightly, we have let them in - they who do not seek a fair nor a just society, damnit we have let them in, and they are piggybacking on our desires for such a society in order to create their society which is neither fair nor just. They are skilled operators but we should recognise them for what they are - duplicitous merchants of an arrogant devil which seeks only the subjugation of our free spirits.
Of all the peoples on this Earth, surely Americans can recognise this con-job for what it is! I live in hope!
Dear breezy55,
Reason will always win out. Just so long as you and I and everyone else here remembers who and what we are. Your great nation - the US of A - and mine - the United Kingdom of GB & NI - are creations of the enlightenment. We, both of us - and many of the others who post here - are children of the enlightenment; we belong to the age of reason.
For us, for all of us, Berkely, Paine, Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Hume, Spinoza, Newton, Galileo, Copernicus, Montesquieu, Jefferson, Locke, von Herder, Herschel, Halley, Bossuet, Hobbes and Lavoisier and all the others - countless names many of whom I cannot call to mind quickly enough to list here (there must be many thousands) - aren't just names, aren't just obscure annotations in the Encyc. Brit., but the real living foundations upon which we build our world(s).
It is our job to remember the values, to express and assert these self same values stridently in the face of the gathering darkness that is islam today, which we grew up with - to continue to remind our peoples of the great heritage which they are heirs to and the great future of freedom which they can secure if they hold true to the values and beliefs which their ancestors won for them. In short, it is our job, whether we like it or not, to be that 'small pinpoint of light in the gloom', that glow of 'the fires of reason', around which they can gather.
Today it may seem that the 'fires of reason' are banked and do 'but glow with a dying, dull redness'. So much more important, surely, are we, and therefore so much more important the learning and wisdom which we carry. It falls to us the sad task of fanning the flames. But what flames we have to fan. What fires lie banked beneath our red-hot intellects! Islam! Phaw! A mere nithing compared to that which we have had to fight!
We have the tools - as Mr. Spencer has amply demonstrated. To the fray, brother! To the fight which we can, and will, win!
How can this silly little cult stand against us? It can't, for reason and science are on our side. Freedom is a clarion call - a call whi
Dear breezy55,
Reason will always win out. Just so long as you and I and everyone else here remembers who and what we are. Your great nation - the US of A - and mine - the United Kingdom of GB & NI - are creations of the enlightenment. We, both of us - and many of the others who post here - are children of the enlightenment; we belong to the age of reason.
For us, for all of us, Berkely, Paine, Voltaire, Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Hume, Spinoza, Newton, Galileo, Copernicus, Montesquieu, Jefferson, Locke, von Herder, Herschel, Halley, Bossuet, Hobbes and Lavoisier and all the others - countless names many of whom I cannot call to mind quickly enough to list here (there must be many thousands) - aren't just names, aren't just obscure annotations in the Encyc. Brit., but the real living foundations upon which we build our world(s).
It is our job to remember the values, to express and assert these self same values stridently in the face of the gathering darkness that is islam today, which we grew up with - to continue to remind our peoples of the great heritage which they are heirs to and the great future of freedom which they can secure if they hold true to the values and beliefs which their ancestors won for them. In short, it is our job, whether we like it or not, to be that 'small pinpoint of light in the gloom', that glow of 'the fires of reason', around which they can gather.
Today it may seem that the 'fires of reason' are banked and do 'but glow with a dying, dull redness'. So much more important, surely, are we, and therefore so much more important the learning and wisdom which we carry. It falls to us the sad task of fanning the flames. But what flames we have to fan. What fires lie banked beneath our red-hot intellects! Islam! Phaw! A mere nithing compared to that which we have had to fight!
We have the tools - as Mr. Spencer has amply demonstrated. To the fray, brother! To the fight which we can, and will, win!
How can this silly little cult stand against us? It can't, for reason and science are on our side. Freedom is a clarion call - a call which we, and we alone can hear.
Amen and amen again Brother Ralbrooke.
I will just add that those who are frustrated at Bush’s genuflections at the altar of the false gods of political correctness be aware. Her Hillary is the high priestess of PC and she will permit you to acknowledge no god but the false gods of PC. There is no natural law that guarantees that conditions today will not get worse tomorrow. And Clintons in the White House, even with zippers zipped, guarantees that our tomorrows will be worse.
Hugh, when we are forced out of Iraq how do we deny our enemies the wealth that accrues from their oil reserves? I know of only one way to do so. Deny them the ability to exploit their oil reserves.
What city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?
"How can this silly little cult stand against us? It can't, for reason and science are on our side. Freedom is a clarion call - a call which we, and we alone can hear.
Posted by: Jonathan Ralbrooke "
Sir, I do not mean to be rude or offending but I would just like to point out that while reason and science might be on your side but oil money, barbarism, persistance, cunning, ruthlessness and sheer savagery are on their side. We simply cannot be as demonic as they are, and this is the sole reason that we lost, are losing, and will continue to lose. Never, never, underestimate islam by calling it a silly little cult. It has a formidable, bloody history. Of conquest.
http://www.historyofjihad.org
"Simply put, they seem unable to grasp the one simple fact - that mohammedanism (islam) as expressed today (and probably throughout the ages) - is inimicable to Western thought patterns and Western morality and should, as a consequence, be resisted."
Jonathan Ralbrooke ,
Amen. The Muslims know all the right buzzwords that appeal to Western intellectuals, politicians and even religious leaders -- words like freedom, justice, fairness, liberty, self determination.
What these Westerners can't seem to grasp is that the words are turned inside out and upside down in their Muslim definition. They all add up to Muslim domination of the world, and the imposition of a barbaric system of religions laws on all others, like it or not.
It's incredible to me that Westerners could live in a world with so much educational and intellectual fire-power, and still allow themselves to be taken in like this. Maybe Hitler's theory of the "big lie" is more truer and effective than we realize.
There is an excuse for Muslims, they're born into, and live their whole lives, in darkness, shielded from any light penerating the darkness they're raised in, but there's no excuse for Westerners: They're raised in a world where light is everywhere, and still, many, they seem to prefer the darkness.
The bible says "They learn and they learn, but they never learn."
Well, if they don't start learning soon, we're all going to pay a steep price for their willful ignorance.
rational: "Maybe Hitler's theory of the "big lie" is more truer and effective than we realize."
When we see the shocking number of people who believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by our own government, one has to wonder. It's mind boggling all the little things one would have to believe to believe that Big Lie - that literally thousands of people were in on it and yet not one has ever come forward to blow the whistle, despite the fact that the Bush Administration has been plagued for 7 years by whistle-blowers, the idea that somehow 19 Muslim Saudi's who professed hatred for the US collaborated to commit suicide to aid the US's war on terror against Muslims, what happened to all the people who have gone missing in the various planes that presumably never actually crashed into the pentagon or the PA field, etc etc. Is it the sheer absurdity of the "Big 9/11 conspiracy Lie" that makes so many people believe it?
Ali Sina’s new book has a chapter on the “Big Lie”. His explanation for people believing it seems to be that the while the average person is quite familiar with the little lie that he might tell, “ The big lies are so outlandish that they often startle the listener. Most people are not equipped to process them adequately…The big lie often offsets the scale of our commonsense”. (p171) I’m not sure how effective an explanation that is but there may be something to the idea that the sheer boldness of the “Big Lie”, as long as it remains within some remotely plausible realm, might indeed overpower common sense by its sheer audacity.
It just makes one realize how fragile the whole democratic system is because we assume that our fellow democrats are fundamentally rational. Then it turns out that so very many aren't and are instead completely susceptible to the "Big Lie". And frankly, the fact that the standards in our education system continue to decline so as to promote equality of outcome for the lowest common denominator, doesn't encourage an optimistic attitude for the future of our democracy.