"They aren't engaged in retaliation for the real or perceived sins of Israel, the U.S. or the West; they are motivated by their very real belief in their supremacy and their right to rule."
That Israeli withdrawal from Gaza is looking great now, isn't it?
"Hamas Bringing Islamic Rule to Gaza Strip," by Julie Stahl for CNSNews.com, with thanks to Morgaan Sinclair:
Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - "The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived" in Gaza, a spokesman for the Hamas militia was quoted as saying on Thursday.Press reports said Hamas fighters -- Islamic radicals -- are winning their battle with the Fatah faction, which is loyal to Palestinian Authority Chairman Mahmoud Abbas.
[...]
The Washington-based Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs said that Hamas is determined to take over the Palestinian Liberation Organization, with the end goal of destroying Israel. And while that's significant, JINSA said, there are lessons that go beyond the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Hamas, Hizballah, al Qaeda, the Taliban, Ansar al-Islam and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad are among the non-state organizations that seek to acquire territory as a means of spreading their broader agenda. They derive support from states such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and Syria.
Members of such terror groups should not be allowed to run for elective office because it won't make them responsible, JINSA said in a statement.
Don't offer terrorists coalition status because they want everything, JINSA said; don't praise them for social service work because they are training the children to be future bombers; believe them when they say they have an agenda and they'll die and kill you for it, the group said.
"They aren't engaged in retaliation for the real or perceived sins of Israel, the U.S. or the West; they are motivated by their very real belief in their supremacy and their right to rule."
Cut off financial and military support, punish their state sponsors and be ready "to kill as many of them as necessary to accomplish this goal," the group said.
Here is the opinion of one soccer mom, circulating across cyberspace:
Written by a housewife from New Jersey and sounds like it! This is one upset lady.
"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 ? Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't t hey?
And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?...Well, I don't. I don't care at all.
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia .
I'll care when these thugs tell the world they is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion b y hiding in mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, wh o was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and -you guessed it -I don't care ! ! ! ! !
If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!
If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country! And may I add:
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan
I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......I hope you forward all this
"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." also by... Ronald Reagan
One last thought for the day:
In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America , he said:
"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at the numbers; how many want in... And how many want out."Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM. AMEN!
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I say, "Ditto!"
Here is the opinion of one soccer mom, circulating across cyberspace:
Written by a housewife from New Jersey and sounds like it! This is one upset lady.
"Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001 ? Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day, in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac from our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ? Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't t hey?
And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet?...Well, I don't. I don't care at all.
I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11.
I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia .
I'll care when these thugs tell the world they is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.
I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion b y hiding in mosques.
I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.
I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.
In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.
When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care.
When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care.
When I hear that a prisoner, wh o was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed "special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts: I don't care.
And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran." Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and -you guessed it -I don't care ! ! ! ! !
If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later, it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!
If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country! And may I add:
"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem." Ronald Reagan
I have another quote that I would like to add AND.......I hope you forward all this
"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under." also by... Ronald Reagan
One last thought for the day:
In case we find ourselves starting to believe all the anti-American sentiment and negativity, we should remember England 's Prime Minister Tony Blair's words during a recent interview. When asked by one of his Parliament members why he believes so much in America , he said:
"A simple way to take measure of a country is to look at the numbers; how many want in... And how many want out."Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
1. Jesus Christ
2. The American G. I.
One died for your soul, the other for your freedom.
YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET BOTH OF THEM. AMEN!
**********
I say, "Ditto!"
Sorry for the double post, maybe you can fix it?
My favorite line:
Jimmy Crack Corn and -you guessed it -I don't care ! ! ! ! !
Forget the fact they don't know the difference between "justice" and outright revenge, forget the fact that "islamic rule" was a given, not that it's any surprise that "islamic rule" & "justice" in the same sentence is the ultimate contradiction in terms...
He right about one point...it's a new "era" alright, but they shoulda been more careful what he wished for, they're about to get just that.
I copy that one, Kay!! Amen!
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"Hamas: "The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived"....from headline.
Such Dastardly-Dreamers. Israel, I hope your patience is running thin. Go Israel!
Agreed. Apart form the Tony Blair bit. He only appears to support America whilst at the same time turning the UK into a terrorist training/recruitment base for Anti American/Anti-"infidel" freaks. Be aware, Tony Blair is a LIAR. Although the people of the UK support America our media absolutely does not, and guess who has control of the media in the UK? You guessed it, the British Government.
I also loved the Jimmy Crack Corn line. Class.
I think this is out freakin' standing!!! The only criticisism I have is why can't they kill more of each other. I wonder how long before Hamas consolidates and then refocuses on Israel. This time Israel will probably have to clean house in PLO territories and put an end to the effectiveness of Hamas.
Israel -- Iran has been wanting a nuclear bomb for how long? So give them one. Send it via air mail. You can turn this mess into a One-Day War today.
DON'T FIX KAY'S DOUBLE POST!
It bears repeating, and if you don't agree I DON'T CARE!
Hear, Hear Kay...'nuf sed.
Hey Jihadwatch, cut Hamas some slack, at least there was no torture… (sarcasm off)
This is a positive development.
In the absence of a Dictator, Islam becomes a self-purifying form of regression. In the interval between individual freedoms being granted to people in a society with Islamic roots, and the eventual outcome as we’re seeing here, politicians can rationalize negotiating with Islamic leaders.
It becomes nearly impossible for politicians who have to report to an electorate to find excuses to deal with, and give money to, Islamic societies once they have reached a certain point of purity. The line is drawn somewhere between Fatah and Hamas.
Once that line has been crossed, it becomes possible to officially call the society a 'bad guy’. The Gaza strip has now joined the glorious club of Al Qaeda (bad guys), Taliban (bad guys), and Osama Bin Laden (the baddest guy of all).
And we come one step closer to naming the real enemy.
"When the moon is in the seventh house; and Jupiter aligns with Mars;" ... The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived"
Just doesn't have the same ring, but according to CAIR, the number of lawsuits filed against the government by muslims has dramatically increased, because many muslim green card holders face delays in getting their American citizenship because their names are on terrorist watch lists.
Take a good long look at what is going on in Gaza!
Now, fast forward to the future in the US if we keep importing these people and making US citizenship an entitlement.
Can anyone connect the dots? Does anyone other than the soccer mom see a problem looming on the horizen?
Why are muslims coming to America and Europe? Dw we suppose that they will become more Westernized or will the West become more like them?
Give it some thought.
be ready "to kill as many of them as necessary to accomplish this goal," the group said.
Suddenly deportation or the outlawing of Islam seem benign!
from Pez: Hey Jihadwatch, cut Hamas some slack, at least there was no torture… (sarcasm off)
You mean like Here
I fully expect muslim outrage and demonstrations at the atrocities and humiliation of their palestinian (invader) brethren, also while I'm holding my breath I'll wait for a coalition of Saudi, Egyption, Iraqi, Yemeni, UAE, et al troops to come and keep the peace and keep the palestinians from offing each other...
mohammed Cursing Christian
(sarc on) Because this is all the fault of the Jews, (sarc off) I suppose can we expect Hezbullah to attack Israel now in retaliation, as soon as ImANut gives the order.
Finest post of the day:
And we come one step closer to naming the real enemy.
Posted by: pez
That Israeli withdrawal from Gaza is looking great now, isn't it?
Sarcasm noted. But absolutely not.
The Israeli leadership seems weak of late : Olmert, Barack. Bring back Bibi, he is tough enough.
There is no way Israeli should ever hand land, money, guns or anything to Palestinians.
There is no chance they wil lever keep their words.
Freeze them out. Leave them in their hell holes.
"The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived"
Ain't that the truth. Kill, Kill, Kill some more, justice, the Islamic rule way.
Bring back Netanyahu!
Great post Kay. Could not have added much to that post except to add the "first degree murder is what Islam teaches" from a previous post. Thank you Mr. Spencer and Mr. Fitzgerald. Your information helps me make sound choices and continue to be informed.
BTW...I work in Surgical Laser Lithotripsy breaking up kidney stones with fiberoptics made in ISRAEL...don't like Israel....no laser surgery for you! Israel also makes foggers which are extremely effective in hydroponic food production, feeding the root zone with a fine mist, thus saving water and allowing greenhouses to be built in the desert. I understand that the moronic muslim psychopaths destroyed this gear when Gaza was handed over. Ordinarily I am for less suffering instead of more, but in this case, lets starve the hell out of them and then let the Philistines eat each other, all the while strengthening Israel proper. Thank you.
Perhaps Ariel Sharon was craftier than most folks thought when he evacuated Gaza. I think his long range plan was to let the Pals be exposed to the world as they are doing to themselves today. Who could blame the Israelis for dropping a big hammer on these marauding hordes. Too bad he can't appreciate this outcome.
How can anyone equate Islam and justice? Unless you are a Muslim, you can not expect justice. Well only a Muslim male anyway.
"The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived"
Meaning of course, that the mutilations and beheadings cam begin.
http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page66309?oid=107889&sn=Detail
Ismail Haniyeh has been invited to South Africa on an official visit by Ronnie Kasrils.
Perhaps they want him to give his trigger finger a rest before he has another go at Israel.
What South Africa can gain from associating with Hamas, I don't no. It should be a
very embarrassing situation for them. I think they are trying to appease the local Muslims and are afraid of homegrown terrorists
The one positive point about Hammas coming out front, is that it will wake up the Israel gov't and the rest of the West. Hammas is fast jihad, and the EU, UN, US, can withold all monies and make Hammas take it from their lovely brother in terrorists the fat oil rich arabs islamists. The fight will be on and the West will have to identity islamist as the enemy and take them down.
Just out of interest, how long would US society hold up with all economic activity blocked? The borders secured by a foreign power? Foreign aid and assets frozen?
What if for years your police stations had been systematically destroyed by that foreign power? Along with government ministries and security posts?
Seriously - how long before rival factions took to the streets? How long before starving, destitute people decided they had nothing left to lose? Would you take to the streets? Would you sit passively by and watch your children starve? As the affluent foreign nation squeezing the life out of your country blamed you? Implied that you were somehow a deadly threat - whilst proving quite aptly that it could kick your ass any day it chose?
Oh, and by the way - that total blockade? Largely prompted by you democratically electing your own government.
A government who refused to recognise a country which... guess what... refused to recognise them. Whose only offering was "Give us the only card you have left in your hand and we might, maybe, possibly, one day, perhaps, start to consider speculating about the possibility of the chance of discussing some kind of tentative arrangement."
Things do not happen in a vacuum. People with families, livelihoods and houses do not suddenly start tearing themselves apart from nowhere. PLEASE, for god's sake - just THINK about it for a moment. Put yourself in the position of a Palestinian citizen. Just try it for once. Ask yourself how you'd feel.
That man trimmed his beard....Death! That one is wearing shorts! Cut his un-Islamic head off! Ice in your drink? That's a killin' offense. Women going to school and holding jobs? Blow the damn school up and kill the teachers. That kids smoking a cigarette! Burn his ass to death...that'll teach him! My daughter is in love with the wrong man...will someone help me kill her before she brings dishonor to me and my family? Now THAT'S justice under, and I do mean UNDER, Islam.
I'm afraid that quite nearly all Muslims will become Jihadists, and I mean murdering terrorists if their "revered" spiritual leaders command them to do so,it is after all a religious duty to defend Islam, and if you can't trust your spiritual leader to tell you who to kill and for what, who can you trust?
Kieran,
all it would take is for the Pals to stop their terror escapades. Think about it. By the way how bout that Mickey Mouse on PATV..I think the only vacuum may be betwixt your ears, old chap.
They always wanted a Palestinian state - now they have two...
Kieran, you mean like the jews in the Warsaw Ghetto?
TheOmegaMan: Oh right. Yeah, of course. You're correct because 1) All Palestinians are terrorists. 2) It's easy for people without guns to dictate to people WITH guns. 3) Whenever there have been ceasefires in the past, oh let's pluck a figure out of the air, say 60 years... the situation magically resolved itself. Right? Hmm.
morguerat: That's right, because it was Palestinians who were running those ghettos. Or maybe you mean that two wrongs make a right? That one oppressed people gain the right to oppress another? Wait, hold on, that would justify Palestinian terrorist attacks...
To clarify my point. I'm not going to defend Palestinian terrorism - it's indefensible to target civilians. But when you have an entire population wound up so tight, can you be surprised when it snaps? Does it prove that they're all nuts? That there is something fundamentally evil about Islam? Of course not. It would be the same in any other country, with any other religion, put in the same position for the same length of time. Hell, wasn't the US founded by people rising up against their oppressors? Shouldn't Americans know better than anyone that you can't keep people down?
The only way to blame the Palestinians themselves for the current violence is if you pretend that history only started a couple of months ago.
Put yourself in the position of a Palestinian citizen. Just try it for once. Ask yourself how you'd feel.
posted by kieran
Well, kieran, if I were a PALESTINIAN MUSLIM (NOT A Christian Palestinian) I would go to my Koran,Hadith, and Sira for an answer from my beloved Prophet Muhammad.
Muhammad would tell me to: "Kill the Jew wherever you find him until even the tree calls out 'There is a Jew behind me, come kill him."
So I guess I'd have to blow myself up while murdering other people. But what the heck, I go to eternal brothel in Heaven.
It's all good.
It would be the same in any other country, with any other religion,
LOL, on that one
Name me another religion that sacrifices their children to a bloodthirsty cult of hate. Name another religion that says its holy to steal, rape, enslave, murder!!!
NAME ME ONE!!
Ynkedoodl2: Uhuh, whereas if you were a Christian Palestinian you'd go to your Christian Bible, flip it to Deuteronomy 25:11-12 and make sure you cut off the hand of an innocent civilian seeking to stop the violence, right?
Of course that's assuming you weren't busy sleeping with your daughters, or pimping them to the townsfolk (Genesis 19)
Oh, and let's not forget good old peaceloving Deuteronomy 7:
'When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations … then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.'
Holy texts written centuries ago have some crazy stuff in them. Shocker.
Stop press: There are religious nuts in the United States as well. People who advocate all kinds of hateful things against other races/cultures/religions/sexualities - whatever. No-one seriously listens to them in the US because, well, people's lives are pretty easy. Crush people, oppress people, take away everything from their lives BUT their religion, and what do they have to fall back on? Jeez, whodathunkit.
Yes Kieran, and that is why we see Christian militias which operate out of churches and 'youth seminaries' in Kashmir, Thailand, the Philippines, 'Palestine', North Africa, etc, raping, pillaging, pimping, and suicide bombing and using Genesis and Deuteronomy to justify it. Oh wait, no we don't.
Maybe it's possible that there is some good news here. It is possible that the Pals will have to get money from the sheiks, leaving less money to build mosques in the West, and even less funds for CAIR.
We can hope, anyway!
Kieran:
"Stop press: There are religious nuts in the United States as well. People who advocate all kinds of hateful things against other races/cultures/religions/sexualities - whatever."
Care to back that up with some documentation? We need names, we need names. Can you tell me who attacked random Muslims for the killing of 3000 Americans? Names, we need names. Back up your accusations with facts.
"I'm not going to defend Palestinian terrorism - it's indefensible to target civilians. But when you have an entire population wound up so tight, can you be surprised when it snaps?"
And who wound them up so tight? How about Yasser Arafat? (Snaps? This is the eighth (or ninth?) year of snapping. How taut are they?) Not only did Arafat reject peace agreements he followed them up with intifadas where people were blown up at seders, in restaurants and at bus stops. He led Palestinians to believe they really could destroy Israel. Then after blowing up people they complain because they're held up at checkpoints? You're delusional.
Your denials aside, you ARE defending Palestinian terrorism. You're what I call an apologist.
kieran
If I were a Christian Palestinian I would get the hell out of Dodge. I wouldn't need to read my Bible to learn that muslims are murderous blasphemers. I could see it everyday in front of me.
kieran, you quoted only the Old Testament (the verses of which are descriptive and historical not prescriptive like the murderous rants of muhammad.)
Where's your New Testament sources?
The Bible is a historical work created by human beings. As a Christian or Jew, I am not required to delude myself that it is the pristine message of God.
And let's not forget how poor and '3rd world' the sacred Arab Muslim is. If we ignore the largest voluntary transfer of wealth in human history, that being the transfer of petrodollars from non-OPEC to OPEC countries, you can see that the Arab Muslim is the poorest creature that has ever walked the face of the earth or ever will. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain that terrorism is caused by poverty. Its a good thing that Haitians and Sub Saharan Africans aren't as impoverished as those poor starving Muslims, otherwise you would see Haitian global terror networks popping up left and right.
Ynkedoodl2: Uhuh, whereas if you were a Christian Palestinian you'd go to your Christian Bible, flip it to Deuteronomy 25:11-12 and make sure you cut off the hand of an innocent civilian seeking to stop the violence, right?
Of course that's assuming you weren't busy sleeping with your daughters, or pimping them to the townsfolk (Genesis 19)
Oh, and let's not forget good old peaceloving Deuteronomy 7:
'When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations … then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.'
Holy texts written centuries ago have some crazy stuff in them. Shocker.
Stop press: There are religious nuts in the United States as well. People who advocate all kinds of hateful things against other races/cultures/religions/sexualities - whatever. No-one seriously listens to them in the US because, well, people's lives are pretty easy. Crush people, oppress people, take away everything from their lives BUT their religion, and what do they have to fall back on? Jeez, whodathunkit.
Posted by: Kieran at June 14, 2007 5:00 PM
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Kieran, you are mistaken about Christianity. They do not take their morals from the Old Testament. If they did, they would be Jewish. Christians take their edicts from the New Testament, with such admonitions as "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "Forgive our debts as we forgive our debtors" and "Mercy triumphs over judgment" "Love your enemy, bless those who curse you.." "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone." and "what does it gain a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?" These are Christian concepts.
They are from the New Testament, they are the words of Jesus... like this: "You have heard it said, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, but I tell you..." With this type of teaching, Jesus changed the religious concepts forever.
You are getting religions confused. The Old Testament, to a Christian is simply a prequel. It is a historal narrative of a barbaric time, a very long time ago. There is not one Christian who would try to bring back such times. That is nonsense.
top press: There are religious nuts in the United States as well.
hey Kieran now where do you hear of suicide killings in the US? where are the heheadings happening man?
oops they are being perpetuated by islmaist mainly in the ME..oh my
you see Kieran the koran is the military manual for sick perverts who mask around as the rop. we are onto you islamists, and btw the Palestinian voted for Hammas, so they got what they deserve. the Palestinian's hatred for all things Jewish and American has now boomeranged back onto them, its called instant karma.
Muslim Palestinians were Nazis, are Nazis and will be Nazis. Why? Because of Islam.
Here, read this kieran. Source below.
"Operating behind the scenes in Baghdad at the time, and arranging for Nazi weapons and assistance was the notorious pro-Nazi Haj Amin al-Husseini the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. The Mufti had been on the Nazi payroll, according to testimony at the Nuremberg and Eichmann trials, since 1937 when he had met with Adolf Eichmann during Eichmann's brief visit to Palestine. Saddam Hussein was born in 1937.
"The Mufti, after instigating a pogrom against Jews in Palestine in 1920, the first such pogrom against Jews in the Arab world in hundreds of years, went on to inspire the development of pro-Nazi parties throughout the Arab world including Young Egypt, led by Gamal Abdul Nasser, and the Social Nationalist Party of Syria led by Anton Sa'ada.
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6184
Another troll dripping meaningless drivel. Come's here not to learn anything, but to chastise, and preach, from the all to familliar, supremist position. There is nothing superior about Islam, there is nothing superior about Allah...what has he done lately? NOTHING. An what doe's get done is only in his name.
We all know the real history of the 'Palestine' People, and who it is that has in it's charter to do away with Israel. We have watched their behavior , and drawn conclusion's from it. What we have seen, read, and heard, make's liar's out of all troll's who come here to regurgitate worn out value judgement,s distortion's and lie's. There is nothing a troll can teach us except that they are persistant with their BS...
Ynkedoodl2, you don't need to speculate what you would do if you were a 'Palestinian' Christian. 'Getting out of dodge' is exactly what religious minorities have been doing all over the Muslim world for quite some time. And guess where they are going?
'When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations … then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.'
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I think we all agree that Israel would have been better off if they had followed this advice instead of trying to live peacefully with muslims in the land Jehovah promised them.
Kay,
Bravo.
If I may add two more:
When I hear about the "suffering" people of Gaza who are really peaceful people caught in the crossfire of two militias and who only wish Israel or the US would come in and restore order: I don't care. You voted for terrorists to lead your government. You asked for it. You got it.
When I hear the Iranian people don't really believe all this theocratic stuff they are fed by their government and are really pro-American and dearly wish Israel or the US would free them: I don't believe you and I don't care. You worshipped Khomeini. You chanted death to America. You cheered the seizure of American diplomats. You got yourselves into this. You can just get yourselves out. I DON"T CARE.
When I hear that the Iranian people have gotten rid of the mullahs and have withdrawn all support for groups like Hezbollah and have actually put their own lives on the line for freedom, only then will I begin to care.
PMK, I think it was Thomas Jefferson who once said 'People always get the government they deserve.'
Kieran,
It's a no-brainer. Palestinians, and you, should stop the "woe is me" thing and grow up.
There would have been statehood by now if Palestinians would:
Stop all violence, recognize Israel, negotiate in good faith (they have had numerous, numerous opportunities over the years...yet no takers).
They can't have violence and threaten neighbours, for decades, until these things happen. They would have to "help themselves" but apparently that's too much to ask.
Every thing I have suggested above would surely be expected of any other civil nation on earth today.
They cry double standard, but when they are asked to behave civilly and with statesmenship, and to regognize Isreal, for the benefit of themselves, they won't do it, thus, they are ones expecting a double standard, suitable only to them, to hell with Israel and everyone else.
This is ALL THEIR CHOICE, no one can make it happen for them.
In Gaza we can see more 'justice' and 'Islamic rule' every day.
Mass-murder in the street, mass-unemployment and terror, that's what its all about.
We should pull the plug on any Muhammedan whiners:
Internment and deportations!
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/14/the-road-to-where-exactly/
So true, PMK!
This, is the root of what George Bush got so wrong. Until the people themselves care, care enough to revolt, there is NOTHING you can do for them. If it is not worth their own blood, it is not worth anyone else's. If it is not worth their own hard work, their own money, their own sacrifice, they do not want it enough.
On the "drive them out of the land issue with the OT", yes indeed the Jewish/Christian God did drive a people out to make way for God's chosen people the Jews. The land that was taken was about the size of Vancouver Island, Rhode Island, or name your small chunk of land. It is small. The Koran teaches the taking over the world by persuasion and if that does not work, violence. The Jews, a slave people getting a small chunk of land from their God, does not compare with a theology of Islamic global supremacy.
All religions are not created equal nor do they teach the same thing. This is a just plain stupid myth that is spouted by theological illiterates. Do some reading boys and girls, the Christian God is not the same as the Muslim God. One is about love for the sinner/stranger and the other has "mercy" for those who are enslaved by it and hate/death for those who will not embrace it. Islam is a deeply ugly religion that if most Muslims were given the straight goods on it would leave. Consider the guy in Montreal who was murdered by his brother for leaving the religion. It happens all the time among Muslims, but as a Methodist (true), I've never encountered this behaviour.
Islam is a lie and Mohammad one of the many sons of the Father of Lies.
Kieran:
Here are two verses which put Islam and Christianity in stark contrast:
"O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust." Quran 5:51
“Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.” Bible (Matthew 5:44)
One says don't love anyone who doesn't believe as you do. The other says love everyone.
Which one reflects the hate better?
Trollfunery...have fun with your local troll by seing if you can get him off subject, and see jow long you can keep him there. Insulting the Prophet usually work's, insulting Allah is even better.
You will never convince Kiernan of one blessed thing, so you may as well get some entertainment value from him...
Kieran:
..whereas if you were a Christian Palestinian you'd go to your Christian Bible, flip it to Deuteronomy 25:11-12 and make sure you cut off the hand of an innocent civilian seeking to stop the violence, right?
You did read the context, right?
It was, " 11 If two men are fighting and the wife of one of them comes to rescue her husband from his assailant, and she reaches out and seizes him by his private parts, 12 you shall cut off her hand. Show her no pity."
So "innocent civilian" turns out to be "wife" and far from innocent.
Kieran:
Of course that's assuming you weren't busy sleeping with your daughters, or pimping them to the townsfolk (Genesis 19)
Sure. Do you see any approval for these actions?
Neither do I. Just to make sure your on the ball here: I see polygamy practised by Abraham, Jacob, David. Nowhere but nowhere is this ever sanctioned. In fact in every case, polygamy is a personal disaster for all these men.
Kieran:
Oh, and let's not forget good old peaceloving Deuteronomy 7:
Right. But lets not forget about context.
God disliked their practice of child sacrifice.
For that reason, he was scheduling their destruction. And it was not favouritism to Israel, see Deuteronomy 9:4-6.
Also not further forward in the case of Jonah, God wanted to spare the Ninervites but Jonah wanted them judged despite the fact they were not "Jews".
Also note Jeremiah 18 where God explains that he might judge againnst nations that do evil or bless nations that do good. And elsewhere he explains that he is slow to judge.
Who can tell if the Egyptians, Romans and other empires waxed and waned because their practises pleased or offended God? That is justice.
People on this planet are crying out for justice of kinds. If God is real, why should he not dispense it?
I dont find the OT God vengeful. If you look carefully over the OT, and I mean carefully, the context gives a considered picture. Sometimes the justice seems harsh for the Mosaic Jewish society as shown in the OT, but in our modern era, I shudder to think that Europeans are more "enlightened" on the death penalty when paeodophiles, rapists. murderers, arsonists are free to do their vile actions again and again.
And there is no real comparison between the Quran and the OT. Allah is purely despotic, no real morality at all. Yahweh is hard, but fair and surprisingly tender at times. I notice he gives regular warnings to Israel to look after the vulnerable groups: orphans, widows, foreigners within
Right, thanks very much guys. All very entertaining stuff.
I'll stop 'trolling' and leave you to wallow in self-congratulation, rolling around in your echo chamber screaming obscenities at a religion you refuse to engage with, reducing any complex situation (such as the current political situation in the Occupied Territories) to 'those evil Muslims with their wicked faith again'.
Just a couple of final parting shots though:
Kay: Oh I'm sorry, I forget that the second book contradicts the first. I think you'll find that there are plenty of 'christians' in America who do still very much believe the teachings of the Old Testament. Not to mention, as you say, a fair few folk in Israel and the Diaspora.
Zena: Thanks for the heads-up. Didn't realise the Qu'ran, a holy book read by (amongst many) some of the founding fathers of the United States was actually the 'military manual for sick perverts'. Ouch.
duh_swami: Yes, to do away with Israel. A country planted in the Middle East by colonial rulers less than sixty years ago (not God, unless you think he manifests himself through the UN... which I doubt you do). A country which for many years followed a dream of 'Greater Israel', by which they would 'do away' with Palestine, and possibly Lebanon and a few other bits of the region. Finger-pointing or playing the blame game gets you nowhere in this particular bit of history. There's always a tat behind every tit-for.
PMK: If you don't care - then act like it. Ask your government to stop interfering and leave them to their own devices. Seriously. It's your tax dollars they're spending, and the children of Americans that are being sacrificed for this bloodthirsty hate.
And Ynkedoodl2: Way to beat yourself over the head with your own argument. So you oppose those who preach hatred, but think genocide is a good policy? Nice. Oh, and as for Haj Amin al-Husseini. You don't say? Holy crap! That destroys anything I thought! So there was a guy who was a Nazi collaborator who was a Muslim? Well that proves beyond all doubt that ALL Muslims are Nazis! Good thing the same can't be said for Christian collaborators, or Jewish quislings, or indeed for any other political or religious figure who has ever allied themselves to or supported a tyrannical regime for political ends. Phew. Otherwise that would make your point look, well, a bit sad.
Good luck all.
Yep...everyone is wrong except the supremist.
Go away boy, ya bother me...
Kieran said (to paraphrase):
- jihad is motivated by poverty
- jihad is a response to the actions of infidels
- all religions teach the same values
To follow the standard pattern, our new friend will move on to claims of "racism", and then disappear.
This is why I wish JW/DW had an FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) section, or actually, an EFJ (Excuses For Jihad) section, so we could just respond "6, 12, 14b", and be done with it.
The "Palestinian" people voted for the tyrannical Islamist terrorist organization Hamas.
They get what they asked for:
Terrorism.
Islamic tyranny.
The perfect and eternally valid Koran decrees endless violence from its believers against all upon the Earth until they have "submitted" to Allah's unquestionable and undoubtable rules (e.g.: beat women, behead captives, enslave and rape girls- as young as 9 years old if you like-, ad nauseam.)
"Palestinians" are still pissed that their multi-national Arab sneak attack on just U.N.-created Israel, in 1948, was defeated.
It's all about revenge, as Mohammad was all about revenge.
And as Allah is Vendetta apotheosized.
I remember watching the news in a Chinese restaurant at lunchtime and there was a story on the Israeli settlements in Gaza, just prior to the disengagement. The reporter pointed out derisively that the settlers had "taken all the best land in Gaza", ignoring their history of developing wasteland. Then he interviewed various parties, slanting the story in the usual way to imply that the settlers were an obstacle to peace, though he did interview a woman settler who said that she didn't think that removing the settlements would bring peace. How right she was.
These events may infuence public opinion some, but the petro-dollar influence will be much stronger. The Jihad marches on.
And where is the WORLDS condemnation of this............
All I hear is silence............
Oh, wait, I am starting to hear from MSM that this is Israels fault...why of course.
Now what are the goverments and U.N. saying..........more silence.
I anticipate no condemnation, because everyone is going to have to start dealing with Hamas. So don't say anything bad about the people that they are getting ready to deal with. I anticipate everyone getting out their checkbooks and starting to buyoff Hamas officials and start over.
Is it just me, or do these Islamists completely overuse the word "justice"?
Anyway, Nihad Awad over at CAIR ought to be beaming with delight over this news, considering that in his disgraceful past, he's said: "I am in support of the Hamas movement"
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/press_019_03
The world's great Muslim age begins anew.
Apparently, Muslims now view Haj Amin al-Husseini as a quisling. I suppose that no one sent that memo to the Muslim Brotherhood, or the Baath party, or Yassir Arafat for that matter. I also have to wonder why PLO terrorists are given nicknames like 'Hitler' by their colleagues, and why 'Mein Kampf' is such a popular book throughout the Muslim world today. I'm stumped. I suppose it must have something to do with poverty.
Kieran said
Half the world is engaged with Islam on a daily basis. From one continent to another, Islam engages every society it encounters, in accordance with the teachings of Muhammad as written in the Qur'an.
There is no escaping the inevitable coming engagement with Islam. I wish there was.
Over 100 'Palestinians' have been killed. Using the standards to which Israel is held, this is nothing short of genocide. Where is the 'International Community' to stop the genocide?
Too busy screaming about panties worn on the head, waterboarding, and being incompetants calling their political enemeis incompetant.
And now, as in the previous (and soon-to-be-returning) Taliban-era in Afghanistan, we can all behold the awesome wonders of Islamic justice and morality, on display for all to see.
special guest...you got that right, maybe RS should run a contest for each catagory, and give a book away as a prize. Muslim's tend to be a little redundant in their rationalisation's. A referal to FAQ might 'enlighten' them, temporarily, enough to have a short, intelligent, conversation, before Allah grab's them and pull's them under.
Once that happen's, their ear's and eye's shut, and you cant really talk to them anymore...
Abu Allah:
Over 100 'Palestinians' have been killed. Using the standards to which Israel is held, this is nothing short of genocide. Where is the 'International Community' to stop the genocide?
Why should it bother? This is Muslim killing Muslim (which is what they always do when they cannot find any Jews or Infidels to kill).
Hamas has just declared it an Islamic state.
Islamic states are perfect, right?
Just like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Iran, Bahrain.
So we should be seeing the perfection of Hamas rolling out. Islam has been in these countries 1000 years - if Islam is so good, how long do we have to wait until we see the perfect Islamic society with everyone happy? It will never happen - because Islam undermines human fullfillment.
I would like to see a peaceful prosperous Middle East. But it will never happen with Islam present. The religion of Death and Destruction.
Grab your mask
Grab your gun
The Summer of Hate
Has just begun.
Kieran speaks of the:
…starving, destitute people [who] decided they had nothing left to lose?
Speaking of history: In 2005, US charities, primarily Mort Zuckerman, raised $14 million to buy Israeli greenhouses in the Gaza Strip and transfer them to the Palestinian Authority to help them get on their feet. To help establish a new era for the Palestinians.
The greenhouses were quickly looted and destroyed. And now people are hungry. Go figure.
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/2005/09/gaza-greenhouse-looting-continues.html
"They aren't engaged in retaliation for the real or perceived sins of Israel, the U.S. or the West; they are motivated by their very real belief in their supremacy and their right to rule."
Imperialism. Islam is the engine of Arab Imperialism. It's an old story in history (Imperialism is history), practiced by many racial and ethnic groups. The only difference is that these Muslim creeps are unapologetic on the matter. However, it's becoming a wee-bit of a bore. Islam is just another Imperialist-Pig-Rationalization-System.
Know what?
The Palestinians voted Hamas into power, and now they've got Hamas in power. In all ways.
They wanted this, they asked for this, and now they're gonna have to deal with it.
Sucks ass to go electing a band of religious thugs to your government, eh?
*snort*
From this article: http://asia.news.yahoo.com/070614/ap/d8pop46g0.html
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"It's futile to bet on Palestinian unity," Saudi journalist Dawood al-Shirian told The Associated Press. "By fighting among themselves, the Palestinians are making Israeli aggression against them appear marginal."
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And *THAT* is exactly why this little 'civil war' is like turning on a light in the middle of a roach infested kitchen at night.
Someone might want to send out a memo to the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs and remind them to send another reminder to Amos Oz. Has anyone read Oz's little pamphlet entitled: "How to cure a fanatic?" (I think it's selling for 2.50 about now). Oz tried to paint a happy face on having Hamas run for elections. Later, after Hamas was elected Oz had articles (published in the Guardian, of course) along the lines of "The rise of Hamas is a wonderful opportunity!" "This can be a vote for peace!" Another memo is in order, someone, quick, ask Oz if he's cured himself (yet) of his fanaticism.
Personally, I don't see much good coming from Hamas controlling Gaza. (Sure, the "optomists" are going to claim that now, at long last, the west will "wake up." I don't think so.)
I think this is illustrating a complete melt-down of American foreign policy in the Middle East. And it's not good for anyone. Painting happy faces on pigs wouldn't do it -- it still stinks.
But for the future, let's all remember: "Members of such terror groups should not be allowed to run for elective office because it won't make them responsible, [as] JINSA said in a statement." Fine advice. Too bad so few have heeded it.
Today Gaza, tomorrow the whole Dar al-Islam.
That is what the Trueest of True Believers, those of Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hexbollah, Jund al-Sham, Fatah al-Islam, FIS, Jemaa Islamiyaa, Sipaha-e-Sahaba, and a thousand groups, and ten thousand groupuscules, and tens or possibly hundreds of millions of believers all say, and work for.
And so, for entirely different reasons, do we Infidels say the same thing but with a slight addition:
Today Gaza, tomorrow Iraq, the day after tomorrow the whole of Dar al-Islam. Riven by internecine warfare that will only divide and demoralize Islam.
Whoever wishes to see Fast Jihadists fighting Slow Jihadists, or Sunnis against Shia, or Arabs against non-Arab Muslims, or oil-rich Arabs and Muslims against poor Arabs and Muslims who now demand that the manna from Allah be shared equitably, should look today at Gaza. Is the display of mutual venom and aggression between Slow Jihadists and Fast Jihadists instructive for Infidels, and terribly worrisome to the propagandists and apologists for the "Palestinian" cause, or isn't it?
It is.
Learn from Gaza. The right lessons.
"The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived"
Alrighty then ,lets get it on! Summer war anyone?
Kay:
loved that 1st post so much I printed it and gave it to my wife.
What I'm afraid of, Hugh, is that the "right lessons" won't be learned. As another poster as already pointed out some chick-chak country has invited Hamas leader (Yassir'sBottomMan) to their country...to do what? Wine and dine Hamas? (note that this is after Fatah has declared Hamas leadership defunct/dissolved.)
Stop press: There are religious nuts in the United States as well. People who advocate all kinds of hateful things against other races/cultures/religions/sexualities - whatever
Really?
Name one.
Kieran,
I know you're hiding, but you obviously don't get the point. Most of us DON'T support what is being done. The Iraqis have shown me they're not worth American support. Neither are the Iranian people or the Palestinians. You all should have been careful what you wished for.
I let my position be known by my vote and by notifying my representatives of my position. You see, I don't riot in the streets when I don't get my way.
I would just tell Iran do as you please but be prepared to lose your country if you attack the US. I keep hearing from an Iranian-American who has left Islam that most Iranians are secretly pro-Western and want to be free of the mullahs. Well if you want something done right, do it yourself. If you are willing to live in tyranny don't complain that the world doesn't support you. The Palestinians elected a terrorist group. That makes the Palestinian people supporters of terrorism and they will be judged by the company they keep.These policies are the new version of MAD.
In Iran's case make it PAD.
Persia's Assured Destruction
Your destiny is in your hands. The US and the USSR had enough respect for life to keep the Cold War from getting out of hand and resulting in nuclear armageddon. Do the Iranians? Seeing is believing. It's hard to believe they do when the president of Iran says he would be happy to see Tehran destroyed if it would bring forth the mahdi. All we can do is watch what you say and do and act accordingly. Stop being such a baby.
Zena: Thanks for the heads-up. Didn't realise the Qu'ran, a holy book read by (amongst many) some of the founding fathers of the United States was actually the 'military manual for sick perverts'. Ouch.
Yes it was read by a founding father, and he understood the evil in islam, and that is why the Marines were sent to blow up a beach in Tripoli, remeber the Marine Song, yeah back then they understood the evil of islam, and blew up the monster of islam. Keiran read the Koran would you, and you will not Mohummad instructs on how to fight wars, when to make and break treaties, is that not a
'war manual"? we here who read this site are not foold by the plight of the poor Palis, they deserve what they voted in and must take some resposibilty for their actions. like l said its instant karma for the Palis
And we come one step closer to naming the real enemy.
Will that be before or after we institute the first Moslem nation in Europe, the Islamic Republic of Kosovo?
In a sense, every act of aggression can be excused as a reaction to a grievance, most fundamentally the complaint that someone is resisting the aggression. Hamas is part of the global jihad, and wants to impose Islamic rule everywhere. When Israel or anyone else resists, they will be used as the excuse for more aggression. That's why all jihadis must die.
The Islamists tend to say what they mean and mean what they say. The problem is nobody relevant, those who shape legislature seems to be listening.
LOL. My harmless joke got snuffed?
I think I am finally convinced that I'm going to have to start calling Congress and shouting. This is getting to the point of ridiculous
I will NOT get into a love-fest with Islam. Not now, not tomorrow, not ever.
Capice?
PS I'll put it on my own blog.
The absurd part of all of this was that Fatah was too conservative for Hamas!
It seems the west stands to gain by allowing sectarian feuds among in the Islamic world to continue. Sunni vs Shia in Iraq. Fatah vs Hamas in Gaza. And recently Turkey versus the Turks in norther Iraq. Karzai's government vs the Taliban.
It's better that they fight each other than fight us.
Some people don't like jokes about Islam.
There's an article worth reading at RealClearPolitics ("Gaza: U.S. and Israel asleep at the controls"). Apparently, "Pathetic faxes from Gaza are flooding Israeli newspapers, asking Israel to take over Gaza again.."
A Fatah person, pleading for his life, screamed: "We're not Jews!" (Hamas went ahead and murdered the entire family). Others are thrown off the roofs of buildings.
Is the world awake yet? I don't think so.
This does not suprise me because we are seeing the horrible fruits of a man-made religion that really comes from HELL. The violence between Hamas and Fatah is just proof of this.
What we have been seeing in Gaza should serve as a wake-up call bigtime.
Is Islam going into a death spiril? We shall see.
Excuse me, I am so choked up about the Muslims being killed by other Muslims it might be difficult to type......Sarcasm
The religion of peace rears it's ugly head again.
I wonder at what point will leaders of the world realize, that Islam in it's current form is the catalyst for MOST of the death and destruction on earth.
It's not Global Warming
It's not Christians,Hindu's,Jews or Hari-Krishnas It's ISLAM.
Israel leaves Gaza, MORE VIOLENCE in the name of Islam. Good Call!
The US needs to get out of Iraq, let them kill each other. Then if we have to go back we only fight ONE group of radical idiots.
A Fatah person, pleading for his life, screamed: "We're not Jews!" (Hamas went ahead and murdered the entire family). Others are thrown off the roofs of buildings.
Is the world awake yet? I don't think so.
JS people who are honest with themselves are waking up to the fact islam is evil. you have to feel sorry for that Fatah person pleading for his life, now he sees how he treated the Jews, its coming back to him. these islamist are dying from their death cult, its turning on them.
Champ stated:
"Israel -- Iran has been wanting a nuclear bomb for how long? So give them one. Send it via air mail. You can turn this mess into a One-Day War today."
I say AMEN!!!
But the U.S. needs to be told that as well. If we nuked Tehran, Qom (Religios capital of Iran), and Damascus all on the same day, this world would in one day be a much better place for the rest of us. Oh yea and to hell with them.
Where is Harry Truman when we need him???
Where are our General Shermans, Pattons, & McArthurs??? Generals who believed in fighting "hard wars". Generals who believed in carpet bombing and didn't give a damn about the idiots at Amnesty International or the U.N. Who today would probably bomb them as soon as they opened their mouths about "human rights".
Generals who would not apologize for "torture", but boast about it when such "torture" would save American lives. Generals who would not give a damn about what a lawyer at the Pentagon advised for they wouldn't put up with such people other than give them an M-16 and throw them in a Foxhole.
For Kieran's benefit, I would like to compare and contrast the behavior of the Muslims in Palestine with the behavior of the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto during World War II.
During World War II, no people were more oppressed, starved, threatened with death than the Jews were. The Warsaw ghetto was a losing struggle for life. But the Jews never slaughtered EACH OTHER. They continued to live as civilized an existence as possible. Eventually they did rise up--against their German oppressors. Nothing like a civil war among the Jews, though.
If there had been a recent upsurge in anti-Israeli terrorism from the Palestinians, that would be reprehensible too, but at least it would be understandable given the nature of asymmetric warfare--if you push they'll push back hard. But the idea that a people faced with external hardship should start fighting each other is just not how a civilized people, who are proud of their nation, respond. It's irrational and insane.
Twice in the last 15 years, the U.S. was the victim of truly horrific terrorist bloodlettings: Oklahoma City and of course 9-11. Each time, the tragedy drew Americans of all nationalities and political persuasions closer together in shared grief. In neither case was it the trigger for an American civil war, of the type we keep seeing in Iraq or Palestine every time there is terrorism. That's because in America, Jews, Christians, atheists all see themselves as AMERICANS. To the Islamists of HAMAS and the fundamentalists of Iraq, they don't have any loyalty to anything but their religious sect.
The sheer barbarism makes me numb...it sickens me..it's the unrelenting cruelty. gratuitous cruelty.
I recall from the last round of suicide bombers entering Israel (prior to the fence), the horrors which were committed. And they were so numerous. I recall "Nov 10, 2002 - Revital Ohayon, 34, and her two sons, Matan, 05, and Noam, 04, as well as Yitzhak Dori, 44 - all of Kibbutz Metzer - and Tirza Damari, 42, of Elyachin, were killed [murdered] when a terrorist infiltrated the kibbutz, located east of Hadera near the Green Line, and opened fire." The children were buried with their teddy bears and pacifiers. then there was the elderly Jewish man who would go out and deliver blankets to the "Palestinians" -- his son warned him not to do this -- but he did so anyway -- and for this they murdered him -- that was their "thanks."
Even calling them "animals" is somehow too kind. And now the next generation has also grown up imbued in their filthy, hate-mired oscentity they call a "religion" and all they can dream about is murdering more Jews. (And I'm confident the EU will provide them the means and the BBC will give them their "motives" -- as if the Koran were not sufficient.)
They always wanted a Palestinian state - now they have two...
Posted by: BunrattyBill
And with a bit of luck, soon they will have none.
Okay, Condi and "State" we know you read here. I ask you this. What say you?
Megadeath has a new CD out. Here are the lyrics from one of the songs......
AMERIKHASTAN
lyrics by Dave Mustaine
Recruiting the ill-fated for "The War"
A legion of uneducated, bankrupt souls
With a lust for vengeance, answering the call
From New Yorqatar to Califarabia
Desperation provides fertile ground for religious extremism
This glorious brainwashing where prejudice lies
Like a crouching tiger
Tormenting peasants till they erect an army
Under everyone's nose
In the end propaganda destroys their DNA, God help them
Solo
Solo
All that they envisioned of what things would come to be
Turned into a pink mist when they blow to smithereens
We are just a war away from Amerikhastan
When God versus god; the undoing of man
Promising a vapor, in the end they'll become one
Solo
No rules of engagement, this enemy hides
Amongst women and children
And to beat violence, you must ignore the focus groups
You must send in the Mossad, turn off the BBC, CNN
And don't look back
Rest assured there'll be no more Middle Eastern crisis, hell!
There'll be no more Middle East!
These are your people Lady Liberty
Pull up your dress today
And tattoed is "property of the USA
A subsidiary of Haliburton"
Surprise?!
But a roaring lion is about to be unleashed on earth
Hey, Jihad Joe, we're coming to get you!
Solo
Solo
All that you envision of what things will come to be
Turns into a death knell when you look behind the scenes
We are just a war away from Amerikhastan
When God versus god; the undoing of man
Solo
Solo
Solo
Solo
As much as Muslims might want you to believe it this has nothing to do with the Arab/Isreali problem. This is Islam at its finest if they have noone else to fight they fight each other. This is not Sunni/Shia or Arab/Persian this is just Islam. Now will the PC Leftwing treehugging moonbats wake up I dont think so they have been spouting the perpetual 'Israel/USA/UK is to blame' nonsense for so long they are incapable of rational thought or analytic process on the matter.
Megadeth...my error.
Gazans have been whipped up into a religious frenzy, which if you're a snake-handler means you've increased your chances of getting bitten. But, if you're a Muslim, it means you've increased you're chances of murdering or of getting murdered. You will progressively cut yourself off from the outside world and from the domestic world. You'll cut yourself off from music, alcohol, females, art, movies and tv. You will be left with Koran readings at home, at the cafe, over the street loudspeakers and on tv.
But you'll remember the old things and over time, if you don't die, or starve, the old days seem better and better. HAMAS has set impossible to meet expectations. How long will it be before people are sick to death of Hamastan? Then what?
Terror groups start up to attack the fat, corrupt Hamas authorities? Gaza empties by 50%? Hamas builds a 'security barrier' using East German technology to keep people from leaving?
Oh, Hamas is in charge now in Gaza? They've liberated Gaza? Israel now has an addressee for any attacks from Gaza. It's going to be interesting to see, whose predictions are right.
Oh, Iran launches Hizballah, Hamas and possibly Syria against Israel this summer on July 4th, my guess to stick it to Bush.
Isreal should be greatful to hamas now they have painted themselves in to a corner in Gaza they will be so much easier to pick off. Like shooting fish in a barrel. I only hope the next time hamas sends rockets in to Isreal that they oredr a full scale invasion of Gaza , no reason not to now.
I wonder how much of a role in this Iran and Syria played
To think that I actually may have offended someone from a false cult that's bent on world domination.
Excuse me.
Kay: Oh I'm sorry, I forget that the second book contradicts the first. I think you'll find that there are plenty of 'christians' in America who do still very much believe the teachings of the Old Testament. Not to mention, as you say, a fair few folk in Israel and the Diaspora.
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Kieran, again, you are not well enough informed to have this opinion. They do NOT contradict one another. One is the "Old Covenant" and one is the "New Covenant" hence the names, Old Testament, New Testament. The Old Covenant is Jewish and the New Covenant is Christian. That doesn't make a contradiction, it means a change. Much of the Old Testament has a great deal to do with prophecy, with promises of a fulfillment of the ages, of a consummation. There are also Psalms, words of wisdom, etc.
But the LAW, which you quoted in Deuteronomy, was a civil code for a particular country during a particular age, in a particular culture, all of which are long, long gone, which was very backward. It has been gone at least 4,000 years ago, it will never come back. That is the Christian position - it always has been. The apostle Paul declared this Law in Deuteronomy OBSOLETE in the Book of Hebrews, and he wrote that in the first century AD.
Kieran is one of two things either a Muslim troll or a PC Leftwing treehugger. Either way there is no reasoning with him he does not see facts or look at the News disspasionately all he sees is confirmation of his fundamental beliefs, 'Its all the fault of the Jooos and the capitalist sytem and the satanic USA' guys such as him dont respond to reason and do not analyse events thay just make the same kneejerk response every time no matter what.
Kay:
loved that 1st post so much I printed it and gave it to my wife.
Posted by: tscipio
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Oh, I'm glad you liked it! I hope your wife did too. Tell her this for me: Jimmy Cracked Corn!!
The second stage of any Islamic purist or communist takeover: the mass culling of suspected munafiqin or counter-revolutionary/reactionaries. I have to feel for the ordinary Gazans, but if there is a positive maybe the US will start to realize the true nature of the Left's favorite barbarians as Gaza, Lebanon, and Iraq move more and more into the Syrian/Iranian orbit.
Foehammer
I liked your joke, and didn't think it was necessarily genocidal. If there are no Muslims in the era of Star-trek, it could mean, aside from an apocalyptic outcome, that they may have jettisoned Islam for other things. Nonetheless, I wouldn't sweat this one too much - I'd much rather watch the Predator vs Alien entertainment going on in Gaza, and now threatening to spread to Bahrein.
Let the Islamic games begin.
Hamas: "The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived"
And with these words, signal the beginning of the end. Tomorrow brings the same trouble, and worse.
Hamas has taken control, by the end of summer we will see the fruit.
Get the seat belt ready, Islam is at the wheel, and it's happy hour.
Tune in again tomorrow, you do not want to miss anything.
I was trying to offend. That's the point.
We are all to #%&!$ about all of this.
So, to quote a quote that never goes out of fashion on my blog:
"In war you do not have to be nice - you only have to be right."
-Winston Churchill
I intend to make damn sure we win.
(You can quote me on that one in 10 years.)
I am sick of posters like "Kieran" who post some of the violent parts of the Bible, but more specifically the OT.
I have seen many muslim posters on other 'blogs do this. It is disingenuous.
Why? Because no Jew or Christian does this any more and hasn't done it for thousands of years.
Not only that but Jews and Christians do not yell "God is Greater" when they are killing someone, or say, "I am doing this because my holy book says it is ok".
That is my simple reply. I don't need a degree in theology to refute that kind of rubbish.
Foehammer: great quote from Churchill. Shame there are no more politicians like him around now:(
Arafat was really good for the Palestines!not!
Or was it the Palestines who controlled Arafat?
Anytime I have tried to put myself in the Palestinians place I want to back out right away. What a bunch of deception and lies! Not once have they done what they say they would. Instead they continue on. Their seperation for so long and hate! Hate is like a fire, it grows! The fire of Iran will reach where it said it will!
I do not trust Abbas! What has he been up to with Syria, somewhere? Water over the damn! Hamas all these militias in the government, that's smart! Amadmanofjews, said he would do this! People under estimate him! Iyatolya using him, I think! Tomorrow Hamas will take what is left. What an example of, 'you get what you reap!'
"Kieran, you are mistaken about Christianity. They do not take their morals from the Old Testament. If they did, they would be Jewish. Christians take their edicts from the New Testament, with such admonitions as "Love your neighbor as yourself" ...
Sorry Kay, Jesus said this one because he was a nice Jewish boy quoting from from the Old Testament. "Love your neighbour as yourself" is in Leviticus ie 'You shall love your neighbour as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18).
The fighting In the Old Testament may have been barbaric, but the laws as outlined in Leviticus and Deuteronomy supplied an ethical down to earth system good for a whole society, the one Jesus came from.
If, for example, you refer to the "eye for an eye" line as barbarism, you should know that that was not meant literally, it was used as a metaphor for calculating legal compensation in the event of injury to one party by another.
Hamas vs Fatah is just another example of Muslims killing Muslims, with Hamas basically killing Fatah with the accusation : "You ain't Muslim enough," completely disregarding Fatahs past history with involvement with airplane hijackings, terrorist attacks, assassinations, bombings, gun running, extortion, money laundering, slave trade,rapes, honor killings and other nefarious activities...
....Just what does it take "to be Muslim enough?"..
I am sick of posters like "Kieran" who post some of the violent parts of the Bible, but more specifically the OT.
I have seen many muslim posters on other 'blogs do this. It is disingenuous.
Why? Because no Jew or Christian does this any more and hasn't done it for thousands of years.
It is definitely a weak argument. When forced to put numbers to it, the one making it is usually reduced to saying "a lot" or "quite a few".
Well, go to www.thereligionofpeace.com and look at the numbers of incidents there. That's actual empirical evidence of Muslim violence and killing, nearly all of it given religious justification. Then tell me how many Christian and Jewish incidents of that sort occur. Give me a specific number, not some vague BS.
The Keirans of the world need to be taught some intellectual standards if they want to be taken seriously.
GAMES MUSLIMS PLAY...
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages/Games-Muslims-Play.htm
I'm supplying Kay another line, but this one's for you Kieran:
When I hear about the "suffering" people of Gaza who are really peaceful people left without a homeland, I DON'T CARE. Arafat was offered MORE than he demanded in 2000, and TURNED IT DOWN. GET OVER IT - ARAFAT SCREWED YOU, NOT ISRAEL AND NOT US.
Let the good times roll, you mo-foes.
Lassiez les bon temps roulez.
Is Islam going into a death spiril? We shall see.
Posted by: bigcatgirl13106
Well, I don't think so.
The Liberal ruling elites of the West are so addicted to their perverted pleasures of west guilt celebration that they will spend YOUR last dollar to save Islam from drowning in its own gunk. They will keep on pumping aid into that gigantic, voracious maw of Islamic countries and keep on importing millions of ungracious, hostile and parasitic Moslem into the West as long as it cost them personally nothing.
The liberal leaders of the West is Islam’s best guarantee of survival.
When I say “liberal” I don’t mean only European Socialist governments, or American “Democrat Party, but also “Republicans” united behind their leader who after all these years blabbers inanities about “the peaceful, liberty loving Moslem majority”.
Islam is a parasite. It only dies after its host is dead.
So, instead of musing about Islam’s “dying spiral” we should ensure our own survival through a complete disengagement from islam. But that can only happen if we have courage and wits to remove from power the preening, hypocritical, cynical bunch of knaves we elected as our leaders.
We need leaders who will unapologetically speak of a total stop to Moslem immigration, mass deportations of problematic moslems, resolutely promote our Christian ethos and values and just as resolutely reject Islamic ones.
That of course calls for a revolution. But it is better a revolution today than civil war tomorrow. Or dhimmitude a day after tomorrow.
Darn, I'm late to the party again. And Kieran has left.
Kieran posted:
"Just out of interest, how long would US society hold up with all economic activity blocked? The borders secured by a foreign power? Foreign aid and assets frozen?
What if for years your police stations had been systematically destroyed by that foreign power? Along with government ministries and security posts?"
What FOREIGN power occupies that area? The Jews that had been there since time immemorial? That were a majority in Jerusalem for a century or so prior?
Since Israel was a newly created entity in 1948, does that call it's right to be there into question? Syria, Lebanon and Jordan were created then, too.
Jerusalem (CNSNews.com) - "The era of justice and Islamic rule have arrived" in Gaza, a spokesman for the Hamas militia was quoted as saying on Thursday.
That massive gulping sound you hear is every woman in the area swallowing really hard.
venividivici:
I am sick of posters like "Kieran" who post some of the violent parts of the Bible, but more specifically the OT.
I have seen many muslim posters on other 'blogs do this. It is disingenuous.
Why? Because no Jew or Christian does this any more and hasn't done it for thousands of years.
It is definitely a weak argument.
It is not a weak argument. Because in reverse, it is weakness of the Muslim position. I can name Muslim's I personally know who are peace loving and I am sure they are the majority. Nevertheless because of the endemic violence in the Quran, Hadith & Sira, and because Muhammad and the first 4 Caliph's supported Islamic supremacism through violence, the peace loving Muslims do not count. Their views dont reflect real Islam. Their Islam, such as it is, is fake. If they are out of step with their founder (and that is what I claim - their holy books make that quite clear), then they are not real Muslims. And that is why it is so difficult to find a moderate Islamic cleric, they cannot defend their position theologically or intellectually.
Returning to Christianity & Juduism, exactly the same arguments apply. Playing Devils Advocate, perhaps one day Christians & Jews will discover the real meaning of their faith and like the Muslims will go round killing everyone in sight?
That wont happen. But it wont happen because theologically and intellectually, there is no justification from the OT or NT for doing so. That makes the Crusades an anomaly and difficult to defend theologically.
But it is crucial that the OT is examined intellectually and made sense of. You cant apply
one intellectual standard to the Quran and then discard it for the OT - it is dishonest.
When you do so, honestly, you will see that it has nothing in common with the Quran.
In the case of the "violent parts of OT", you have to look closely at the context. And I would suggest reading all of the OT to get a wider context. Muslims love to quote out of context.
The bottom line is
1. Israel was instructed to wipe out the residents of Canaan not because of favouritism by God towards Israel but because God detested child-sacrifice and other practices that went on in Canaan. It was a one-time operation, a limited war instructed by God. That is different from Jihad for Muslims where it is not one-time. God also said that any valuables were to be destroyed (unlike Muslims who take quite a different line on booty).
2. In the OT, in Jeremiah 18, God says something general about nations. He says that if any nation indulges in evil, he reserves the right to destroy that nation. And he also say the reverse, that is if any nation indulges in good,
he reserves the right to bless that nation.
Perhaps the Nazi's, Communism, the Romans, the Greeks and other empires down the ages have
waxed and waned because God has exercised his rights?
3. The Quran, The Hadith, the Sira make it clear that the "jihadic Muslim" is the correct one, the "peaceful Muslim" is not.
And the Bible make it quite clear that the "peaceful Christian" is the correct one, the "jihadic Christian" is not.
I am also disgusted with the 'the Christian's did it too' syndrome. This is a muslim mantra that keep's popping up when they cant defend current Islamic hegemony.
The basic fact: Christian's, by name only, 'have' committed dastardly deed's, but this is 'in spite' of Christianity, NOT 'because' of it.
Muslim's commit dastardly deed's, 'because' of Islam, and NOT 'in spite' of it.
As usual, muslim's have everything backward's...
duh swami-
"Christianity is a problem whem its members DO NOT follow its teachings.
Islam is a problem when its members DO."
profitsbeard...exactly...have a good day...
I wish we could form a university that would be available to all free americans and give professorships to guys like Foehammer, Tgusa, Kay, Zena WP,... I could go on and on . We could even let little Miss Kiernan join us in some heated debates. (I think he's a confused woman.)
This has been one of the most compelling dialogue I seen in a while. Keep up the good work
my fellow patriots of freedom and true justice.
That was excellent, UK Infidel Lover.
Someone said this:
Sorry Kay, Jesus said this one because he was a nice Jewish boy quoting from from the Old Testament. "Love your neighbour as yourself" is in Leviticus ie 'You shall love your neighbour as yourself' (Leviticus 19:18).
The fighting In the Old Testament may have been barbaric, but the laws as outlined in Leviticus and Deuteronomy supplied an ethical down to earth system good for a whole society, the one Jesus came from.
If, for example, you refer to the "eye for an eye" line as barbarism, you should know that that was not meant literally, it was used as a metaphor for calculating legal compensation in the event of injury to one party by another.
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The point I was trying to make is that a) the Jewish law was a civil code created for a specific nation in a specific time period. Yes, of course, Jesus was Jewish, but there is no doubt that he transformed the concepts into something quite deeper. As in his words, "you have heard it said... (as he quoted Old Testament law) but I tell you... (then gave an extended version) don't just love your neighbor, but also your enemy. Don't just give to the poor, do it secretly, until it is painful, give him the shirt off your back. Don't just fast, hide it. Don't just follow the letter of the law, let it root in your heart. As you said, don't take the letter of the law (ie. the eye out of your enemy) but forgive as the Lord forgives you. Remember the scapegoat, Abraham's ram, the Passover Lamb.
Jesus came to preach to the Jews, but afterward, the light was brought to the Gentiles. The messenger for that task was Paul. And as Paul and Peter and the entire church leadership at Jerusalem decreed, the law did not pertain to the Christians. (Acts 15)
In any case, my point to Kieran was that God speaks to us, deals with us where we are at. If that is a "barbaric" time, then He deals with us at that level. If it is "sophisticated", then He comes to us where we are as well. That is why Christianity can work where Islam fails. Like the old hymn says, "Just as I am, without one plea...because Thou biddest me come to thee... O Lamb of God I come, I come..."
No matter the culture, the time period, the social structure, it is 'just as I am'.
Foehammer,
Too bad your joke was deleted. This Trekkie laughed so hard.
Come to think of it, the only major planet in Trek with any religion to speak of was Bajor.
wish we could form a university that would be available to all free americans and give professorships to guys like Foehammer, Tgusa, Kay, Zena WP,... I could go on and on .
Why thanks, but I think Hugh would tell you I'm a little weak on Shakespeare.
wish we could form a university that would be available to all free americans and give professorships to guys like Foehammer, Tgusa, Kay, Zena WP,... I could go on and on .
Why thanks, but I think Hugh would tell you I'm a little weak on Shakespeare for such a post!
UK Infidel Lover,
I think some of the quoting got mixed up there. In any case, my argument against any moral equivalence between current-day Islamic religious violence and current-day Jewish/Christian violence is precisely that A). One is so much more frequent than the other and B). Jewish/Christian violence is contrary to the evolution of both religions while Muslim violence is in keeping with the evolution (or lack thereof) of Islam.
Within Judaism, as I see it, once the Jews accepted the later prophets, with their message of peace, as canonical, they left the earlier parts of the Old Testament behind. This does not mean that I think the older parts of the Old Testament represent something equivalent to Islam (meaning that I agree with your juxtaposition of Canaan vs. Islam), only that the older parts of the Old Testament are closer to the spirit of Islam than the later prophets. In fact, it was upon this slender reed of a similarity that Mohammed based his idea of Islam as the "uncorrupted" version of Judaism, which is a crock historically, but plausible enough that the barbaric peoples that make up the Islamic ummah could believe it, especially since they don't have access to any other, more grounded interpretation of the relationship of Islam and Judaism.
To make a long story short, I completely agree that the "jihadic Muslim" is the authentic Muslim, and I mean jihad in the sense of desiring political and social dominance, not some inner struggle BS.
If you apply Lenin's "two steps forward, one step back" theory of history, Judaism and Christianity were the two steps forward and Islam was the one step back. I, for one, cannot wait for the next two steps forward to make up for the ground lost to the one step back.
Fatah seemed to fall pretty quickly in Gaza.
Now that Hamas sees itself set up as a Nation State. It can be destroyed as such.
Keep the embargo in place at all costs. Both sides.