“We are Muslim and Kurdish. We are not like the English where you can be boyfriend and girlfriend.”
This article from the Times Online (thanks to Sr. Soph) tells the whole tragic story of Banaz Mahmod, an honor killing victim in Britain. Here is the chronology of events:
Dec 4, 2005 Banaz Mahmod tells police of her uncle’s threats to killDec 5 Police visit her home. She asks them to leave, adding she does not want to pursue allegations
Dec 12 She gives police a letter naming potential killers
Dec 31 Her father tries to kill her but she flees. WPC Angela Cornes attends. Rahmat Sulemani records Miss Mahmod’s allegations. She returns to his home
Jan 2, 2006 She meets her sisters and mother and is persuaded to return home
Jan 22 A Kurdish gang threatens Mr Sulemani
Jan 23 He reports incident to Kennington police. Miss Mahmod tells Mitcham police of death threats. She refuses a place in a women’s hostel
6.30pm The couple speak secretly on mobile phone
Jan 24 Miss Mahmod is murdered. Police call at the family home. Her father says she is out
Jan 25 Police visit her parents who say they do not want to report her missing
Jan 26 Police class her as a high-risk missing person
Jan 27 Full-scale investigation is launched
April 28 Her body is found in a suitcase in Birmingham
I'm not even going to begin to understand these vile creatures that would do that to their own child, but how could she go back? How could she not know? When will they wake up?
So, is this the Sharia Lite Naseem's been peddling to us for months?
Naseem, care to comment on the subject? Or are you going to remain silent on this horrific act like every other 'moderate' muzlim?
"Allah is oft-forgiving, most merciful"
Unfortunately Islamists, like Mahmoud Mahmoud are not.
Sheer horror, immeasurable heartbreak. The venality of the deliberate abandonment of duty by Ms. Cornes makes me teeth-gnashingly angry.
A question for the editors: Do you think there is any serious merit in examining honour killings as a phenomenon arising from many non-Western cultures, as opposed to just from Islam? Or is the incidence in Islamic families, with Islamic perpetrators, so much higher that it's worth focusing on as a strictly Muslim issue? I understand there is some Islamic traditional and scriptural support for the twisted conception of 'honour' and the dehumanization of women that leads to such crimes, but they have also occurred (albeit much more sporadically) among Druze and Yezidis, and as by-products of class or caste enmity between Hindus and Sikhs.
The reason I bring the question up is that focusing on honour killing only as it arises from Islamic culture and peoples probably won't help us explain or reduce incidences that occur in non-Muslim contexts.
..A KISS is just a kiss as the song goes...unless you are a Muslim and then it is a death sentence....
yeah, but what kind of punishment for things like petting? can't go further than killing, unless it's the method that changes...hmmmmmm (thoughtful pause).
might as well go all the way, then pack heat afterwards just in case to take a couple with you to Hell.
I can't quite understand..just who is getting honoured, the killer or the killed?
Good news and bad news:
Bad news: Her body was found in a suitcase in Birmingham.
Good news: One less Muslim female to produce young trainee terrorists.
Yes, it's it's an ugly, vulgar comment. I admit it. I am ready to retire and move to a dark secluded hollow deep in the nether reaches of Appalachia. I long for the good old days like 1955, when all we had to worry about was communism and what the 1956 model cars would look like. Jihad makes the Cold War seem like a casual game of checkers.
Question: How did her body get to Alabama?
A kiss is just a kiss, sounds just like the Mafia. Oops, here we go again:
' All religions are equal...' right?!
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/12/separating-facts-from-fiction-the-terror-of-female-circumcision-in-islam/
The kurds, surely not, they're our allies, aren't they?
Miss_Anthrope wrote: ".......pack heat.......to take a couple with you to Hell."
Right on, Miss_Anthrope, RIGHT ON.
If you ever need to make a liberal understand, just ask them why the whackos from other faiths are marginal losers like Tim McVeigh and yet the bombers and beheaders in Islam are very often educated, prosperous and rather normative.
Funky Child
When was the last time you read about Hindu or Sikh honor killings?
The father mimicks Mohammad and Mohammad (thought he) mimicked Allah.
Intolerant, tyrannical, misogynistic, dictatorial, violent, cruel, bloodthirsty and inarguably irrational.
A nice litany for decribing a deathcamp kapo.
And an apt sign to hang over the door of every mosque:
Islam Macht Frei
Funky Child said
That's funny, I am also angry, but at the Muslim father who killed her, not the infidels who didn't stop him in time. But hey, if blaming the infidels for the actions of Muslims floats your boat, go with it. Everybody's doing it.
Talk about the kiss-of-death!
This is murder, plain and simple. The daughter didn't dishonor ANYONE -- but the father dishonored his family by murdering his own daughter and then stuffing her in a suitcase.
Islam is backwards, evil & produces murdering monsters like this man.
I'm most disturbed by her willingess to return home and refusal of a refuge place. The combination of saccharine ties and murderous violence that binds and then kills these women is the worst.
If they were able to see their dear papas and brothers for the violent islamists they are, and forget any misleading kindnesses of the past, the women would escape more thoroughly and be safer.
Simply disgusting. Murder is murder and should be tried as such.
Good that Islam is a religion of peace. I feel much better knowing this.
"Question: How did her body get to Alabama?
Posted by: Pelayo "
...they transported the body to Cairo, Illinois, then covertly traveled through Lebanon, Pennsyvania, then onwardward to Alabama....probably in a vehicle authorized and provided for, by the US Immigrations Department...
Funky Child -
You have much to learn about islam. And don't blame the police officer ! The victim was offered refuge and refused it. She returned to her home, as I understand it, because she felt her mother would protect her. What a joke. The man's word is law, she ought to have known that.
When I worked in corporate security for a major Canadian bank, I got a call from a Toronto detective who was trying to determine if a young Pakistani woman had accessed her bank account. She had run away from an arranged marriage and concerned friends had reported her missing.
She hadn't used her account. But the police eventually did find her, amazingly, still alive. She was returned to her family and I never did know what happened to her. She's probably a good muslima now, pregnant and imprisoned in her home.
Honour killings are almost exclusively a muslim phenomenon. No other group or "religion" is so obsessed with a woman's virtue and how it reflects, always, on the men of the family.
Pelayo,
Would that be Arab, Alabama? Near Huntsville.
Infidel Pride:
Funky Child : When was the last time you read about Hindu or Sikh honor killings?
I have. Honor killings are prevalent in Muslim, Hindu and Sikh cultures. Basically anywhere where there is arranged marriage as a concept.
I have the recent book "Shame" by Jasvinda Sanghera - a UK Sikh rejected by her family for refusing to get married. One of her sisters is dead - burnt herself alive - because her arranged marriage husband was systematically violent towards her. She runs a women protection unit in the UK called "Karma Nivana". Not quite honor killing but she make it clear that it goes on.
See
http://www.stophonourkillings.com/News/article/sid=1147.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/eastmidlands/series6/forced_marriages.shtml
Funky Child is right in that honor killing does occur in faith other than Islam.
But yes, honor killing is definitely yet another flaw with Islam.