House votes to ban aid to Saudi Arabia, White House not cooperating with efforts

"The US House of Representatives voted on Friday to prohibit any aid to Saudi Arabia as lawmakers accused the close ally of religious intolerance and bankrolling terrorist organizations"

Really? I thought the ban on all religions other than Islam was all about tolerance. What I do find sickening here is that Mr. With us or against us is the the one stonewalling this.

This alone makes George Bush a bigger traitor to the western world than even Michael Moore. Now that's sick.

Evil flows from Mecca and Medina like the stench from a rotting corpse.

2008 cannot come quick enough for GW...

Once his term is over, extradite him and Carter to Mecca, and let the Saudi benefactors thank them in the only way they know... ;-)

Evidence once again, that Fourth Runner-Up was not accolades enough for GWB in the 2005 JW/DW Dhimmi of the Year Contest.

What were voters thinking?

"The money has been used to train Saudis in counter-terrorism and border security and to pay for Saudi military officers to attend U.S. military school.

One wonders how they manage to keep their sanity over here without taxpayer funded foot baths in their barracks and other facilities.

Even worse; maybe they're already installed and we did pay for them.

And by the way, the $2.5 million is peanuts compared to the revenue garnered by the Saudis in Iraq reconstruction contracts (approved by you-know-who) and the windfall economic benefits associated with their recent admission into the WTO (championed by you-know-who), the terms to which they violate every day that they maintain their boycott against another WTO member -- Israel.

Just saturate the whole area with neutron bombs, walk in and take over.

I think we just need honest acceptance that the Saudis are the number one funder of terrorism in the world, next to Iran, that is. Where's Steve Emerson when you need him..
We need to stop giving them free money, and stop buying their oil, terrorism will soon decline, when we do this.

The only "aid" we should sent to Saudi Arabia are free Bibles.

Printed on asbestos.

The Bushes and their Carlyle Group cronies have been in bed with the Saudis for years. Why would they want to stop the gravy train ?

In my opinon, there should be no aid whatsoever sent to any muslim country. Let their filthy rich Saudi brethren support them.

At $2.5M, the aid is more symbolic than anything else. To GWB, the aid is a symbol towards SA that the U.S. will fight the WOT together. He knows not the symbolism to those who aware of the real goals of SA. He has no idea of the support he loses due to his defense of this synbolic act.

GWB:

Aid to SA.
Reachout to Muslim Brotherhood.
US finanaced super madrassas in Afghanistan.
Democracy in Iraq.
Ambassador to the world for the "Religion of Peace".

An embarassment.

By cutting off aid and closing the loophole we send a clear message to the Saudi Arabian government that they must be a true ally in advancing peace in the Middle East," said Rep. Anthony Weiner, a New York Democrat.

You notice the word....Democrat! You know Georgie sucks when even the liberal dems are learning faster then him...the canaries are screaming about Islam....get out of the "Georgie Coal Mine" now!

Ohhhhh the irony!

If Georgie keeps this up he will eclipse Jimmy Carter (if not already). God did anyone ever think that was possible? I mean that is like breaking the unbreakable record of stupidity.

Oh by the way Georgie made a deal with North Korea yesterday also. Even though it is not releated to jihad it is important in one sense...Iran. My bet is Georgie's last act as president will be to make a deal with Iran. Going out with a bang that will cement him as America's worst president ever!

Just wait and see! Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in Washington! In the Rose Garden! Hugging King George! Don't laugh.....

Anything is possible with Mad King George!

The rich saudie royalty take a dump on gilded toilet seats. I am not kidding. Meanwhile, the commoner has to struggle to feed their family. And our government pays them? That's mental.

The body snatchers got George Bush.

A little poem:

They say that it's a little wierd,
But when I gaze into his eyes,
And touch his pointy little beard,
My heart is filled with sighs...

Those inky eyes, deep limpid wells,
They feed the arid prairie
At Crawford Ranch, mixed with the smells
Of offal (dromedary).

I held his hand! I kissed his cheeks!
Swept up in Crawford's heady reeks...
I could have stayed with him for weeks!
(If not for those damn press pool leaks!)

How long has this 'jizya' being paid to oil-rich wahhabbis?

Rogster, even though I'm sure we would agree on most things, I have to say I completely disagree with you on Iran being worse than Saudi Arabia.

The Saudi's are responsible for this religion first and foremost, the 911 bombers were all of Saudi and Pakistani decent. They had all been trained in Pakistan and basically the majority of atrocities in Iraq are by Sunni terrorists, though the Shiite are no picnic.

Saudi's and Pakistani's are the ones that fund every major international terrorist organization right down to the political lobbies of CAIR everywhere. The Pakistan regime is already nuclear enabled, and Saudi's are responsible for the atrocities in Darfur and Somalia.

If we were to do an honest ranking it would be Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran in a distant third place. Having said that, I'm not inferring that Iran is a picnic or fun place, I'm just saying at this point they don't even rate.

That's the main reason I've been so pissed at this administration, it's criminally involved with all the wrong people.

How could it be seen by the Sauds and Wahhabis as anything but jizya?

I suppose the question then becomes: Does the US government feel sufficiently 'subdued'?

They are.
They should.

In the past, whenever Liberals would accuse Bush of robbing the poor to enrich the rich, it was a ridiculous charge deserving of the due scorn. However, this time, were that charge to be made, it would fit like a jigsaw.

Count the days to January 19, 2009...

After all these years I can finally agree with Democrats on something.

Everyone, if you want to hit Iran, Syria, Sudan, North Korea and other terrorist dictatorships hard, check out disinvestterror.org. California, Florida, and Ohio, among other states, are passing laws to get their pension funds, which control huge amounts of money, to stop investing in the companies doing business in terrorist nations.

Www.disinvestterror.org has, among other things, a PDF file that shows where the 50 U.S. states are currently doing business with terror and dictatorship. Check it out, find out which of your state's funds are invested with which guilty companies, then call your senators and representatives (get their numbers here: Call Congress). Tell your reps at the national and state levels about www.disinvestterror.org, the companies, your state's pension funds involved, and that you want your state to divest those funds from the guilty companies until such time as those companies stop supporting the nations that are trying to kill us.

Iran could be shut down by this method taken far enough. Without these companies, Iran couldn't do much with its oil or produce gasoline for its vehicles. And don't let me hear the cynics saying how nothing will work. Every little bit makes a difference, mountains sometimes turn on pebbles, and a straw can sometimes break a camel's back.

How on Earth can the low paid, over-taxed, over-worked stiffs of the United States be sending financial aid to one of the wealthiest bone idle feudal kingdoms in the world, where the occupants can't pull their own knickers up without assistance from the household staff?

Do you remember sending aid to the South Africans when they were treating their black population in a similar way? If not, why not? At least they didn't aspire to kill Americans.

But it is still gong to sustain a feudal monarchy which deliberately uses that cash to finance hostility, terrorism, and islamic fundamentalism all over the free world?

It almost makes me retch.

So some of the money that was taken from the taxpayers who bailed out of the World Trade Centre to escape the flames, has been given to rich saudis by their own government.

And the money of their bereft taxpaying families continues to line the stinking pocket of jihad.

And then they had the cheek to try and buy off NYC with a $10M cheque?

I have followed this site since shortly after its inception. But for some reason never commented until now. But this is just too outrageous, too nauseating, to pass on.

Monty

I suppose the question then becomes: Does the US government feel sufficiently 'subdued'?

They are.
They should.

Posted by: ThomasD at June 23, 2007 3:02 PM

Oh.. didn't you see dubya dance around right the day after he called it 'islamic- terrorism'? You can tell he got a curt call from Riyadh the same night. It would be funny if it wasn;t so dangerous to see the leader-of-the-free-world grovel in front of his masters and leader-of-international-terror, the wahhabbis in Riyadh.

So, to answer your question, yes, 'They are'!.

PSA:

Tonight at 9pm (to 10:30) on FOX NEWS is a program titled "Banned By PBS; Muslims Against Jihad."

This is NOT the same film as "Islam vs. The Islamists" which FOX also plans to show eventually. I don't know anything about this one except that it is by the same outfit (represented by Frank Gaffney last night) that produced Islam vs. the Islamists.

It promises to be of interest to JW readers (and hopefully well beyond).

" If we were to do an honest ranking it would be Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Iran in a distant third place. Having said that, I'm not inferring that Iran is a picnic or fun place, I'm just saying at this point they don't even rate. " The Fanatic.

Other than reversing Pakistan and Saudi I have to go along with Fanatic on that. Of course, the Pakistan/Saudi reversal in my opinion may just be because we have so many of them here in the UK, and they behave so damned arrogantly.

BTW, I've started posting again on Reconquista (I've had ... difficulties ... these past few months). It's specifically about the UK, but I imagine if someone was to carry out a similar exercise anywhere in the Western World you would have similar results.
It isn't categorically about Islam, but you can all read into a text what is a major part of the sub-text, I should imagine (not allof the sub-text, but a major part).

Leon the pig farmer (or was it Concerned pig farmer?) - I absolutely loved your comment the other day re targets on the backsides of nine-year-old boys. Almost seized my lungs up. Are you from the UK? If so, how come we never see you on Up Pompeii? If not, how come we don't see more of you all over there anyway. A bit of regular solidarity would be most welcome. We're all in this together.

http://gandalf-reconquista.blogspot.com/

And here's an interesting blog from the opposition. Top post tells us all about how it's better to be a Muzbot than a Christian or a Jew (I made a couple of comments on that one - wonder how long he'll leave them up?).

Next post down confirms, from a Muzbot, something we all already know - that there is no such thing as moderate Islam. As far as he's concerned, all moderate Muzbots are in reality Kuffar.

Go read: very interesting perspective. Good to know your enemy. Sun Tzu would agree with that. Indeed did.

http://sami-zaatari.blogspot.com/index.html

Make some comments. Try not to be abusive (yes, I know, it's awfully difficult ... but I managed it and I have a notoriously short fuse. Well, I think I managed it :).) Let's see how long our comments stay up.

I don't have time to read every comment.

Damn, damn, damn! The Saudis are cute aren't they? Of all the countries that do not need aid, they are on the top. They need aid like Bill Gates needs Social Security.

We desperately need to know how much the Bush family (Bonnano?) is receiving from the Saudis.
Bribery?

"the close ally..."
-- from a description of Saudi Arabia, in the article above

Saudi Arabia is not and never has been, and never could be, a "close ally" or an "ally" or a "friend" or anything at all except a mortal enemy, of the United States, as the most powerful of Infidel countries. Occasionally the Saudis find that their interests, and those of the Americans, may overlap -- the Saudis wanted the Red Army defeated in Afghanistan, because it was an army of Infidels suppressing Muslims, and the Americans wanted the Red Army defeated in Afghanistan because it wanted the Soviet Union defeated everywhere it chose to project its military power. The Americans wanted to push Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait because they feared the aggressive nature of his regime and his pretense of becoming King of the Arabs; the Saudis wanted to push Saddam Hussei out of Kuwait because they feared his designs on Saudi Arabia and the appeal of any rhetoricla attacks by his regime on the corrupt Al-Saud.

Saudi Arabia has spent nearly $100 billion over the past three decades on the Jihad to spread Islam. That money has paid for mosques, both buildings and maintenance, and madrasas, and propaganda disseminated in those mosques and madrasas that preach hatred and violence toward all Infidels; that money has paid for a vast army of Western hirelings, deployed in the capitals of the West to present Saudi Arabia as, precisely, a "close ally," with the real Saudi Arabia, the one described by J. B. Kelly in his essay "Of Valuable Oil and Worthless Policies," hidden from view -- as for decades it was hidden from American view by incessant Aramco propaganda. That money has alo been used to buy influence to prevent any sensible energy plan that might diminish reliance on oil from being adopted by the government.

Saudi Arabia (and Kuwait and the Emirates as well) needs to be read the riot act. Its rulers should be told they can no longer send money to this country to spread hatred through the kind of propaganda disseminated in the mosques it pays for -- or at least, not without severe consequences. They can no longer longer be allowed to send money to pay for campaigns of Da'wa, targetted at the most vulnerable citizens in this country (if Muslims want to conduct missionary work, local Muslims will have to do it, not as part of a geopolitical campaign by Saudi or other rich Arabs). Any monies that come from Saudi Arabia should be carefully monitored, and those who receive those monies publicized -- so that all those influence-peddlers, those writers of Op/Ed articles and delivers of lectures about "our friends the Saudis" and "America's real interests in the Middle East" -- given by those who cash their Saudi-generated checks even as they mutter darkly about "the Israeli lobby" -- and of course those who pay, directly or indirectly, for such groups as the Council on the "National Interest" -- which "National Interest" seems to be defined in one way only: in taking the and any such monies will be monitored, and the sums given public attention, or if a way can be found to do it, seized. There is no sense in regarding Saudi Arabia as anything other than an enemy, the chief provider of the Money Weapon for the world-wide Jihad. pay for these mosques, madrasas, or to such group, There is nothing that the Saudis can do to us. But the Al-Saud depend on us, in the end, for their own family's security. They depend on the West for petroleum engineers, and doctors, and every sort of expert to run their country. They depend on the West for medical care, education or at least the receipt of plausible-sounding degrees (a different thing), for the children of the ruling family's princes and princelings and even, here and there, possibly a princelette or two, and also for the children of the courtiers and middlemen and fixers who have made money from their connections to the Al-Saud, all essentially creatures of the oil bonanza, that is to say, of unstoppable torrents of money, where once there were only seasonal rivulets from wadis, that are the result only of an accident of geology.

Saudi Arabia depends entirely on the Western world for that medical care, that access to education, that fun-fair-cum-brothel-cum-gambling-den that Monte Carlo, and Las Vegas, and Marbella, and London, and even McLean, Virginia, and Aspen, Colorado (see that conduit for BAE bribes, Prince Bandar). The Al-Saud think they are above the law, and the British government, in choosing not to follow through on the BAE investigation’s results, has shown that at least they are above British law. Now we shall see if the scandal of the 66 suitcases, stuffed with heroin (or was it cocaine?) and brought into France, on a plane owned by a Saudi prince who now claims diplomatic immunity, will be dropped, which means that the Al-Saud would also be above French law.

And the final question remains: will the Al-Saud continue to get away with murder, that is to say with funding those who are hostile to, and who wish to undermine in every way, our own legal and politicial institutions because these institutions flatly contradict both the letter and spirit of Islam?

When will Saudi Arabia be re-dimensioned? When it will be seen as the primitive kingdom, ruled by Johnny-jump-ups who happen to have driven out the Hashemites, and to have defeated the Shammar tribe, and rule because they stand by the mutawwa, stand by the worst Wahhabis who, in turn, provide them, despite their enormous corruption and theft of national wealth, with the legitimacy that so far has allowed them not only to stay in power, but also not merely to dare to bully, but also to hire Western hirelings who help mislead the American public as to the supposed power of Saudi Arabia.

Cut it down to size, but begin by calling in Adel Jubeir and telling him not only that the “ally” business is long over, but the Saudi Arabian rulers, and Saudi “stability,” are dispensable as far as the American government and people are concerned. After all, in the end, if the oil wells of al-Hasa were to fall to those who are even worse, even more open, about their Islam-inculcated hatred of Infidels, we can – and would – seize those oilwells. And if the Saudis reply, as they will, with some blague about how they have “mined” the oilfields, don’t believe it. And if they further allude to all the money they can pull out of the American market, then they can be told that a great deal of Saudi wealth, especially of individuals, can be located and seized; that the corrupt behavior of Saudi princes can be easily tracked, filmed, and put on the Internet which would not make the lives of those princes any easier at home, and that there is a great deal more that can be done –unless they stop funding campaigns of Da’wa, not only here but elsewhere.

So much for my PSA re: Muslims Against Jihad on Fox News earlier tonight. Fox pre-empted it for wall-to-wall coverage of the pregnant woman who was killed by her policeman boyfriend and found dumped in a cuyahoga OH park.

Reminds of late Summer 2001 when the media was in a feeding frenzy of coverage about Chandra Levy, the missing girl who had the affair with Congressman Condit of California. That frenzy lasted up to and no further than September 11th when something else happened to distract them.

Sad. Soon enough the jihad will win back attention from the media powers that be, but it may take another horrific massacre first.

Alexon - yes I saw that - the preemption of the show in favor of coverage over this missing woman. There are no words to describe the sheer idiocy of use of prime time cable news for one after another of these missing (usually white females stories). I really have no explanation for it.

Leave Iraq Now: "At $2.5M, the aid is more symbolic than anything else. To GWB, the aid is a symbol towards SA that the U.S. will fight the WOT together."

That does indeed appear to be the likely explanation. It's not like 2.5 million is actually all that much money compared to the bucks we have spent in Iraq. But instead of as Hugh suggests - demanding a stop to funding of the global jihad - which is a bit in your face and goes against the grain of what LIN suggests is the purpose of the payout - I think it would be more clever to make a symbolic and very public demand in exchange for that payment - namely the demand for religious reciprocity - churches allowed to be built in Saudi Arabia as a good faith symbol of "interfaith dialogue" - which is what all those funds pouring into the US from SA are ostensibly meant to promote in the first place, as in Institution for Muslim-Christian understanding blah blah blah.

It wouldn't be terribly outrageous or confrontational (as compared to demanding that SA stop funding the global jihad) to merely publicly state the expectation that we are giving this money on behalf of this sort of "interfaith reciprocity" along with the publicly stating the expectation that SA - having funded so many similar institutions in the west would surely accept this gesture of interfaith goodwill by permitting the building of the first church in SA on receipt of these funds, blah blah blah. Moreover, spring it on them unexpectedly, in some very public venue, when there's lots of press coverage and there's no way for them to avoid being in the public spotlight as they are enjoined to accept this heartfelt gift.

Afterwards, it should go without saying that the American public will be closely following this much anticipated construction of the first church on Saudi soil. And when it fails to materialize, their press will begin asking some hard questions of prominent Saudi spokesmen. THEN - when enough Americans have followed all this in the press and have caught on to what's going on - we proceed to step it up a notch and read them the riot act.

From the article:

In the past three years, Congress has passed bills to stop the relatively small amount of U.S. aid to Saudi Arabia, only to see the Bush administration circumvent the prohibitions.

A few million here and there is a relatively small amount, compared to the trillions we have given them for the privilege of pumping out their oil for them, doing the geological research to find new supplies, and refining it ourselves.

A few million here and there is a trifle. A piddling smidgen. And yet it could be used for an educational campaign to begin to teach us infidels about the basic tenets of Islam. It could be, I'm sure, quite useful to the staff of JW/DW, and it would do far more to benefit the citizens of the Western world than giving it to the Saudi Royal Family.

All those Brits out there, who were so sensitive to criticism, here is your chance to give it back to us in spades. We Yanks deserve it.

Here I thought my opinion of El Presidenta Bush could fall no lower then over his Shamisty, no terrorist left behind bill.

How soon till we get him out again and can we survive any more attacks on our security from him. Who needs Al Qeada ... the Sauds will use Bush instead.

I shall be giving money to Jeb Bush's opponent for what ever he runs for.

It,s odds on Saudia is fighting a proxy war, and bin laden is their military wing, no matter how much the Saudia,s deny it

An interesting read

http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2007/05/what-losing-really-means.html

Arab Oil????, they did not discover it, they had not a clue how to recover it, they did not pay for the geological surveys nor for it to be drilled for and no Arab or Muslim ever invented anything except maybe a lamp that you could use it for and they had no clue or technological knowhow to refine it.

The US constitution doe's not provide for 'Foreign Aid'. A citizen here need's aid, and they have a hard time getting it. Rich Saudi's and other enemy's dont seem to have the same problem. Not only that, but the gov, Bush/Rice, give away 'huge' chunks of money that doe's not belong to them.
$2.5 million seem's small to the big minded, but it's a lot of money to a US citizen on welfare.
Personally I dont like to see people on welfare, but I detest our money going to welfare payment's to the rich, here or anywhere. Bush is bankrupting this country in addition to ruining it...

Congress should use the $2.5. million to buy copies of anti-jihadist books and distribute them to libraries around the U.S. and miltary bases throughout the world.

Education about the enemy is more important than symbolic gestures of submission to the central terror bank/violent fundamentalist "religious" source of that same enemy.

Knowledge is power.

Jizyah is madness.

Shiva...thank's for posting that link...I have read that before, but reading it again, is like a tune-up. Everyone should read this from Dr Chong. I especially like this:

And finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one single way that contributes to the good of the world.

thank's again...

What is it that we have to continue appeasing these guys. I'm sure that the $2 million won't set them back much...............steve

"According to supporters of the legislation, the United States provided $2.5 million to Riyadh in 2005 and 2006.
The money has been used to train Saudis in counter-terrorism and border security and to pay for Saudi military officers to attend U.S. military school."

.....excuse me....but if you provide a service or an education .... shouldn't the recepient pay you....

....most of the schools in the U.S. require you you pay them in order for you to receive the training...

...nothing like paying your executioners, i guess...