Temporary marriages, also known as "mutah," are nothing new; they are a long-standing practice of Shi'ite Islam, justified by the Shi'ite reading of Qur'an 4:24:
And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.
Even among consenting adults, mutah falls well short of Western expectations of marriage -- including civil marriages, but especially religiously sanctioned marriage. But since the legal age of marriage for girls is nine according to Islamic law, nothing prevents the practice from being an appalling means of exploitation.
"Iranian official backs temporary marriage," by Ali Akbar Dareini for the Associated Press:
TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's hard-line interior minister is encouraging temporary marriages as a way to avoid extramarital sex, a stance many in this conservative country fear would instead encourage prostitution.
A temporary marriage, or "sigheh," refers to a Shiite Muslim tradition under which a man and a woman sign a contract that allows them to be "married" for any length of time, even a few hours. An exchange of money, as a sort of dowry, is often involved.
Although the practice exists, it's not very common in Iran, a Shiite majority nation where many consider it a license for prostitution. Others, however, have advocated institutionalizing the tradition, saying it would help fight "illicit" sex in a country where sexual relations outside marriage are banned under Islamic law.
"Temporary marriage is God's rule. We must aggressively encourage that," state-run television quoted Interior Minister Mostafa Pourmohammadi as saying.
The minister, who made his comments Thursday, was the first Iranian official to support the disputed practice in more than a decade. Former Iranian President Hashemi Rafsanjani raised the issue in the early 1990s but was opposed by the country's hard-line clerics.
"We have to find a solution to meet the sexual desire of the youth who have no possibility of marriage," Pourmohammadi was quoted as saying by local newspapers.
Half of Iran's population of 70 million is under 30. Taxi driver Reza Sarabi, 23, expressed the frustration of many young Iranian men who can't afford to buy a house and get married.
"I have no money to set up a matrimonial life. I don't want prostitutes. What should I do with my sexual needs?" he said.
The "sigheh" is banned in Sunni Islam, but similar practices can be found in Sunni countries. One such practice is the "urfi" marriage, an unofficial arrangement that is often kept secret. Although an urfi marriage involves signing a document in front of witnesses, the marriage can be broken by destroying the paper.
In addition, temporary marriage -- misyar, or "traveler's" marriage -- is gaining popularity in, for example, Saudi Arabia.
In Iran, temporary marriage has been reported as a way some widows and poor women help support themselves. But critics of the practice believe such arrangements only exacerbate the country's prostitution problem and undermine Iran's values.
"It will damage the foundation of the family," said lawyer Nemat Ahmadi, who argues it gives wealthy men religious cover to have affairs. "This will only promote prostitution."
Prostitution was banned in Iran after the 1979 Islamic revolution but has increased in recent years. There are no official statistics available in Iran on the number of prostitutes, but unofficial figures published by some media outlets put the number at several hundred thousand.
The biggest pimp in iran is their president
Religion always trys to control human nature, and always fails. That's why they are so outraged all the time, it's not about what's actually going on, but about what's perceived to be going on.
Calling prostitution something else makes it ok, well fair enough.
Hotels that rent their rooms by the hour, did I say rooms, I meant Honeymoon Suites.
Islam is a "religion" made by a man for the pleasure of men at the expense of women. A temporary marriage, consummated in the No-tell Motel. The dowery becomes the payment, the marraige ends when the man leaves the room.
Islamic wedding vows:
Do you, Ahmed, take this woman to be your wife until death do you part or you loose interest?
Do you Abdulette take this man to be your master in all things and to be discarded like an old pair of shoes when he gets tired of you?
Imagine the hours of meditation, searching of the scriptures, and fervent prayer it must have taken to arrive at this conclusion. The piety is really touching, overwhelming at times.
Well it's no different from prostitution, or casual sex, or any of the other things that go on in all societies. Affairs, etc etc etc.
As evolved beings we're designed to fuck a lot, in any society, whatever the rules, people will do that, it's all about dna, in many senses we're not really here, just convinced that we should be.
It's the hypocrisy that gets on my nerves, not just Islam either.
Can anyone confirm the rumor that the average temporary marraige in Iran lasts thirteen minutes?
For the sheer sexual insecurity, paranoia and sexual panic displayed by Muslim men, I imagine it's a lot shorter time than that.
Just like "MO"...
Temporary marriages to skirt around the illiciticity of prostitution. Sure sounds like the divine will of Allah to me! Where do I sign up?! :D
I saw a documentary a couple of years ago on this issue. It was brutal to say the least at how insideous this culture can be.
Women that were mostly single mothers (widowed) in most cases were open to this predatory behaviour. These women are so desperate that they would temporarily marry different guys a day at a time to make ends meet. If this isn't organized prostitution I don't know what is.
The most tragic case was of a young single mom who married a guy in his 60's, for six months. They spoke to an imam who laid out the rules, she was to be paid and she under Islamic law was to be his subordinate in every way he deemed neccessary.
This guy ordered her to have no contact with her family in those 6 months and one day sold the womans 7 year old daughter to some unknown buyer.
The woman was insane with panic, but this arrangement gives her no recourse. Nice religion and culture, gee I think we shouldn't impose our values on these people or make judgement.
Pardon my crudeness, but wouldn't other methods be safer, more simple, and quicker? Temporary marriage must be holier than manually solving the problem to the rigid Muslim brain. Isn't it obvious that all of these rules and regulations are just a contrivance used to dehumanize people? When will mankind cleanse itself of this nonsense? It is enough to make one despair for the whole species. What is it that makes people that stupid and blind?
This shows how much respect islam and the ayatollahs have for the institution of marriage. I guess "till death do us part" is not a vow muslims exchange. Of course, in some islamic wedding ceremonies, the bride doesn't even participate, her owner/slavemaster/keeper takes care of the legalities and transfers ownership of the bride to her husband. Very romantic.
The purpose of islamic marriage is to guarantee the continued enslavement of the women, to produce offspring for the umma, holy warriors for the jihad, and to provide sex slaves for the husbands. There is nothing in it for the women except room and board, if they are lucky. Temporary marriages are the same as prostitution; money is exchanged for sex with the blessings of a demonic mullah.
If there was ever greater example of the difference between reason and rationalization...I don't want to know about it.
There must be something in the minds of clerics that tells them: "If I'm not in complete control of who gets laid and when, I won't."
This could be why so many young men are encouraged to blow themselves to smithereens in pursuit of mythical virgins by clerics who show no such inclination.
Killing innocent men and then raping their wives and daughters isn't "illicit" if you have a right hand to "possess" them. As the 'prophet' did, may he continue to putrify in hell forever. Perhaps it's appropriate to separate mahometan males from their right hands.
Where I come from, this is called "shacking up", and the only one who really benefits from this type of arrangement is the guy.
Trying on a pair of jeans is one thing, but trying on a marriage is another.
Where there is legalized prostitution, two parties benefit from the transaction. I think that a good place for a clinical study of the effect on the service provider would be the counties in Nevada where it is legal.
How's that for a PC name for a prostitute? Intimate relationship service provider, it gives them the respectability of an IT contractor or a dentist.
Pardon my crudeness, but wouldn't other methods be safer, more simple, and quicker? Temporary marriage must be holier than manually solving the problem to the rigid Muslim brain. Isn't it obvious that all of these rules and regulations are just a contrivance used to dehumanize people? When will mankind cleanse itself of this nonsense? It is enough to make one despair for the whole species. What is it that makes people that stupid and blind?
Posted by: f.g. [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2007 8:30 PM
>> Some key words have been scrubbed from the orignal post.
What's going on here? Is the Dhimmi in charge of Dhimmi Watch?
Please explain why my post was removed! Is this not an open forum?
It is indeed an open forum, boneshack, but just like anywhere else, it has its limits. I believe that Mr. Spencer has addressed this issue elsewhere.
It is indeed an open forum, boneshack, but just like anywhere else, it has its limits. I believe that Mr. Spencer has addressed this issue elsewhere.
Posted by: ThinkForYourself [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2007 11:46 PM
Really? I posted a statement nothing more offensive that what "f.g" said, and I had my whole post deleted, and his/her post was "sanitized".
I know how to contain my tongue, ThinkForYourself, but this is pure PC going on here.
This is the normal crap.
Anything goes, as long as the preachers get to control the scene.
Murder? No problem. Go kill some Jews or pagans.
Theft? No problem. Go pick up a little "tax" money from the infidels.
Prostitution? No problem. Set up a proper "temporary marriage" and leave your tip on the night-table.
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These people literally don't know the difference between authority and morality.
The next time I hear anybody pontificate about the high-minded morality of the mohhamedans, and their alleged problems with our slutty pop-singers, I swear I'm going to pelt them with garbage.
Dhimmi Watch!
You have just lost all credibility as "Dhimmi Watch" because you deleted all of the orignal references to "m-----------" from all of my posts.
They were legitimate statements with regards to Islam. Now you how have shown your true colors.
It appears that that the general public (who may have intelligent answers/discussion) to this forum are now subject to some "vetting" in which they have to pass in order to have something posted.
Do you have the courage to let this remain on the site (as a warning to all others) that their opinions are are carefully watched and vetted?
Do have have that courage? May the TRUE GOD save use all.
Allah is obviously very wise and compassionate, he realizes that men are always horny and need to bust a nut, that all we think about is sex and how to get it. He made sure that, after a long hard day of killing non-Muslims to please Allah, there was a way for believers to get some action. By paying for it.
What a deep religion.
By the way, what is Dinesh D'Souza's take on this? Another fine example of the high moral standard that Islam sets, compared to the West's obvious moral depravity.
Pity the lonely Iranian goats!
From what I've been told, Muslim marriage is simply a contract for the male's exclusive use of a woman's vagina. There is no idea of loyalty, tenacity, or love in the least. It should be no surprise to us, given the Muslim's idea of heaven as a whorehouse, that "marriage" is as depraved as the rest of their lives.
It's not only Muslims though, India's just as bad. Although I suppose it's government doesn't actually support it, on the surface anyway. China, the whole Middle East, with the exception of Israel.
Do you notice the correlation between highly religious societies and backwardness, illiteracy, and treating women like just another article of lifestock.
It's a shame the left think it's so cute.
Muslims fear the power of women...
Hypocrites, the lot of them.
Question - what happens to the babies, if any, born as a result of these temporary marriages ? Is the man under any obligation to support his offspring ?
Hey, if we say this prostitute is your wife... for a day... just shut up and enjoy the only religion that knows what men really want.
The Las Vegas of faiths.
A crapshoot, with a God.
A comic book version of a religion.
(Holy hookers, Freakin' Batman!)
Their new slogan of Mohammedism:
Islam: what happens in Mecca strays from Mecca.
(I guess imam is just archaic Arabic for pimp?)
It is very interesting that a belief system that spends so much of it's time legislating "morality", specifically in terms of sex, and punishing adherents to that belief system with public lashings and stonings for any real or preceived transgression, has become so clever with it's ever changing innovations to help Muslim guys get laid.
The first and most important step in this process was the dehumanization of women. And to keep this system in fine working order it must perpetually relegate women to the role of non-person, because if Muslim women were ever allowed to truly think for themselves and seek retribution for the abuse heaped on them by 1400 years of forced rape, loss of human rights and separation from their children, there would be holy hell to pay. That is why Imams are so determined to teach hate, intimidation and cruelty as the basis for a good marriage inside the confines of Islam. And think about how brilliant that really is; tell the men "no sex" outside of marriage. Tell them they will be publicly lashed if they trangress that law. Tell them that once inside marriage they can do pretty much whatever they want as a motivator to git her done. Tell the men they can have several wives and they are expected to have a lot of kids to fill up the ummah. Tell the men that if their wives balk at anything they can take the kids away from them. (That should keep the women in line.) Tell young men who can't afford to get married that if they blow themselves up for allah they don't have to worry because they will get laid a plenty later on in heaven.
This has nothing to do with morality or keeping the populace pure. It has everything to do with creating enough people with this diabolical mentality so that they can complete their mission of taking over the world. Just like we in the west are constantly lied to about how peaceful Muslims are, we're being lied to here about how chaste and sexually restrained Islam is. While our fearless leaders go on and on about the peacefulness of Islam, the Muslim leaders are exploiting their own people in dehumanizing ways to force us all into their version of an Islamic paradise, which will be no more than Communism but with Hefty bags, loud speakers and blood dripping swords.
isabellethecrusader-
"Communism -with hefty bags, loud speakers, and blood-dripping swords."
Would make a good, oblique bumper sticker.
(Nothing Islamophobic, because only Commies are mentioned.)
Just print it white on green, and smile.
One of Islam's biggest and still unsolved problem is sex, the sheer sex issue, point. Do any of you folks know that Ayatollah Khomeini, while he was residing in Turkey, specifically in the Marmara region town of Bursa, was a frequent bordello visitor?
Yes, the holy imam used to visit prostitutes in the bordellos during his exile days.
The news came out in a local paper in Turkey, but quickly was silenced by the officials for fear of irritating Iranians.
Do any Christian know the practice of Hull-ah?
When a man gets angry with his wife, he could have yelled at her three times "be divorced!" and when it is over the women was automatically divorced even if against her will..
And supposing that the man felt sorry immediately afterwards and wanted to make it up with the wife....
No way !
The only way was that the woman was supposed to be married temporarily with another guy and spend a night with him.
And afterwards, the new recruited husband, would in his turn divorce the woman so that she could remarry his old previous husband.
Nice practices, nice customs..
Of course the cherry may have been (re) broken in the meantime..
But that was a small price to pay to be reunited with the loved one..
Pelayo wrote:
"Can anyone confirm the rumor that the average temporary marraige in Iran lasts thirteen minutes?"
I would hope for the sake of those "wives" that these marriages only last two minutes.
What a revolting culture...now someone tell me how many more have entered the US today?
Profitsbeard,
Yeah, that would make a great bumpersticker, but I would be concerned about putting it on my bumper because Muslims are soooooooo sensitive when it comes to the things they do. I would expect some "tire jihad" since these people can't take a joke, even though they are one.
No, the whole sexual thing is just another form of bondage and that seems to be the main purpose of Islam, to enslave people. But as a free woman I find it particularly appalling that Muslim women, and captured non-Muslim woman, have no say in whether they will or whether they won't have sex. It's much more despicable than what appears to be on the surface. Our rights to be sexual or non-sexual are a very deep part of who we are. To have that decision made FOR one without any consultation with the person involved is a crime that cries out to heaven for vengeance.
To listen to these misogynists legislate on and on in an attempt to provide perpetual sexual satisfaction for men, while not even throwing any crumbs to women, as evidenced by the removal of female arousal apparatus, (scar 'em young and show 'em whose boss so they'll lay down and take it when they're older,) makes me spittin' bullets mad. God gave me my sexuality and he gave me the freedom to choose how I will use it. To have Muslim men make that choice for the rest of us is entirely unacceptable, not to mention repugnant. It seeks to remove the human need to love and be loved, and it reduces the marital act to a commodity.
How's this for a bumpersticker:
Muslim Love: providing people and pleasure, or else.
Iran official encourages temporary marriages to fight "illicit" sex
Illicit sex, is illicit sex. Whether by a 10 minute marriage or any other made up rule.
A rose is a rose, and sh*t still stinks.
how 'bout this one:
Islamic marriage: A contract to f*ck for a term of years . . . or days . . . (or minutes!)
Epiphyte - the term 'nikha' basically means 'f*cking contract'
A-Plague:
Thanks for the tip. I had heard Islamic marriage referred to as a 'contract,' but I actually did not know that 'Nikha' could be translated in this manner. (Although it's fairly easy to extrapolate the meaning from the practice itself :)
Just adding a little more about Muslim cultural customs vs those of others: at the time of the Israel-Hezbollah war last year I was a. reading Israeli blogs and b. reading the sickening propaganda of the 'Ecumenical Accompaniers for Peace in Palestine and Israel' on the World Council of Churches site. In the latter, one of the Useful Idiots described a Palestinian Muslim wedding. I'm not sure the bride and groom actually even met face to face. There were two separate receptions on two separate days - the first (with the groom) for all the men; the second, a day later (with the bride) for the women - total segregation. No wine, of course. No dancing. Much firing of shotguns into the air to 'celebrate'.
In one of the Israeli blogs a Jewish war wedding was described. Unlike a Muslim couple who don't even have to meet on their wedding day! - the Jewish couple stood together under the chuppah that symbolises the cloud of the Divine glory at Sinai, and presided together over the mixed party afterward. Men and women of the two families, and male and female friends of bride and groom, mingled. Soldiers all cleaned up and spiffy; soldiers partly cleaned up; and exhausted punch-drunk soldiers in 'dirty green pyjamas and beard stubble' straight off the front, made up most of the male guests. Women, the writer observed, were clinging to their men, devouring them with their eyes. And then the wine flowed and the music played and the men and the women danced, danced in circles, danced TOGETHER - and no shotguns were fired in the air, either, the Israelis being far too sensible to waste ammunition and endanger others that way.
I think I know which wedding I'd much rather have attended. I know which society I'm cheering for...