Fatah al-Islam Update. "Lebanese army battles militants in camp," by Bassem Mroue for the Associated Press:
TRIPOLI, Lebanon - Lebanese tanks and armored vehicles battled their way into the outer neighborhoods of a Palestinian refugee camp Friday in some of the heaviest fighting since violence broke out between the military and al-Qaida-inspired militants nearly two weeks ago.
The military demanded the Fatah Islam fighters holed up in the Nahr el-Bared camp in northern Lebanon surrender and promised to pursue them if they didn't.
Two Lebanese soldiers were killed and 10 wounded in Friday's fighting, according to security officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to address the media. They said a unit of Fatah Islam militants was destroyed, but gave no casualty count.
Friday's deaths raised to 34 the number of soldiers killed since fighting between the army and militants began on May 20. At least 20 civilians and about 60 militants also have been killed in the 13 days of fighting, but it was unclear whether there were any civilian casualties Friday.
Most of the camp's 31,000 refugees have fled, many to the nearby Beddawi refugee camp.
The army appeared to have limited Friday's advance to neighborhoods on the outer ring of the camp, which militants use for sniper fire against army positions. Nahr el-Bared, like the other 11 Palestinian camps in Lebanon, has been off-limits to Lebanese authorities under a nearly 40-year-old agreement that allowed Palestinians to run their own affairs.
The Palestinian representative to Lebanon, Abbas Zaki, said the army would not storm into the camp, where several thousand civilians remain trapped and militants are barricaded in residential neighborhoods of narrow, winding streets and apartment buildings.
A soldier at the scene said troops were fighting from building to building. A resident of the camp, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of militant reprisals, said some Fatah Islam positions were overrun or destroyed.
The army later issued a statement saying it destroyed positions from which the militants attacked troops and civilians, and "tightened the ring" around them, causing many casualties. The statement said other militants had fled deeper inside the camp, taking civilians as "human shields."
"What we have decided is to deal with Fatah Islam as a group, a terrorist group taking hostages who are left in the camp," said Telecommunications Minister Marwan Hamadeh. He told AP Television News in Beirut that the army may be seeking to isolate the militants.
Cabinet Minister Ahmed Fatfat told Al-Arabiya television the army came under sniper fire early Friday and decided to respond. "It seems they have destroyed those positions."
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...[Limiting] the military operation to the camp's perimeter could be an effort to avoid — at least for now — enraging Palestinians in other refugee camps across the country.
Fatah Islam is an offshoot of the pro-Syrian Fatah Uprising, which broke from the mainstream Fatah movement in the early 1980s, Lebanese officials say.
Some Lebanese security officials consider Fatah Islam a radical Sunni Muslim group with ties to al-Qaida or at least al-Qaida-style militancy and doctrine. Others say it is a front for Syrian military intelligence aimed at destabilizing Lebanon.
Many Palestinian refugees support the army's moves against the militants, whom they consider alien to the camp's population. Zaki, the Palestinian representative, said after meeting with Prime Minister Fuad Saniora that he hoped the militants would "surrender to justice."
In the Beddawi camp, about 500 Palestinians demonstrated after Friday noon prayers, demanding an end to the fighting. A group of mothers staged a sit-in outside a school that has been turned into a refugee center and stopped trucks from delivering relief.
Sounds like the trucks carrying logical reasoning were turned back, too.
"other militants had fled deeper inside the camp, taking civilians as "human shields."
Entirely predictable... Cowards.
"The statement said other militants had fled deeper inside the camp, taking civilians as "human shields."
....the "human shields" probably carried weapons too...
Palestinian human shields. That sure would stop me from blowing them away.
Message for Lebanese Troops:
The most lofty aspiration of these Palestinian Jihadis is: "Death for the sake of Allah."
Don't let them wait!
Tell me when I can start handing out the candy.
wait, why aren't the 'human shields' from ISM there already????
oh right, they're protecting terrorists from the evil Israelis...
"A group of mothers staged a sit-in outside a school that has been turned into a refugee center and stopped trucks from delivering relief."
I think this explains the Palestinian story in microcosm.
This is why the "Road Map to Peace" (aka the Highway to Hell) must be scraped.
where are the American volunteer human shields?
It's only a matter of time before the Palestnian-Islamonazi-leftist-Eurotrash lie machine.....er... media start telling us about the Tripoli Holocaust.....Uh, oh...never mind; the perpetrators are other Arabs and thus no one will care.
exsgtbrown, that's why i mentioned ISM...
remember that girl run over by the bulldozer in '03?
she was a member of ISM...the Int'l Solidarity Movement.
you & i - same wavelength, man! scary...
Dear Mr. Spencer:
I have been unable to find any contact information for you anywhere on the internet, so I am posting a comment here in the hopes that you see it.
I am writing to you because I believe that you can help me and the group I am in the process of forming fight Islamic terror and its supporters here in America and across the globe. I have some information I would like to send you about the group and its goals on defeating Islamofascism and ensuring American national security. I would greatly appreciate it if you could provide me with a post office or street address to which I could send this information. I will be sending solely information, not an appeal for funds.
If you would like to learn more before the "snail mail" information arrives, please visit the group's website, www.victoryparty.us.
Thank you very much for your time.
you can e-mail me too any time. I am sure you know it!
He had hoped the militants would have surrendered!? huhhn,,, knowing they all have the same religion why would they? Surrender to the more powerful allah!!? 2-they had to sacrifice to make it look good! huhhnn,, maybe I am being sinicul. There is a new blue moon. It is out! I have seen some pictures! Amazing!!!!! Just like in my dream! I couldn't believe it. It was a sure sign we are near the end. First meteors! oh ya, it's just a dream! I have never believed these people yet! roll over play dead red rover! give us more money! we want mo mo mo''''
Bassem Mroue was the subject of some controversy during the fighting between Israel and Hizballah last summer. His reporting was notably one sided - and his blog was much worse.
It looks like he can do some decent reporting after all - so long as Israel isn't involved.
It looks like they use the same old tactics with each other, take cover under women's skirts and children's bodies. yeah such brave men these islmaist.. any muslims reading this hang your head low as you have nothing to live for if you remain a muslim. such morality escapes my Western mind at how these losers ever get jizya from the West, need to stop all monies going to feed these creatures of hell.
On a different note - imagine being a refugee for 40 years ("Nahr el-Bared, like the other 11 Palestinian camps in Lebanon, has been off-limits to Lebanese authorities under a nearly 40-year-old agreement that allowed Palestinians to run their own affairs.") And, related to that, after 40 years you'd know who your neighbors were; you'd also know when a bunch of new guys showed up one day with lots of guns.
Now......Call me a little paranoid if you will, but how is it that the poster 'zarxos' above seems to require a postal address with which to supply Robert with information about a little shindig he has going? As we well know, there's a mail address for Robert right here on this site, so why not use that?.
As I said, I may seem a little paranoid. I wouldn't presume to know Robert's thinking on this, but were I in such a prominent position as he, within this particular field of studies and expertise, I'd be thinking something along the lines of 'Nice try sunshine, now bugger off and find a real mug'.
Wishbone l cant seem to visit the website of this 'zarxos' and would be suspicious of anything of that poster has said.
OT:
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There is a school inside a refugee camp that was turned into a refugee center for the refugees from another refugee camp? OK, but who's on first?
Seriously, can someone tell me why the Lebanese army will fight the Fatah Islam terrorists, but not Hizballah terrorists?
That was my question, exactly! Isn't that just a little quaint? They would not fight the Israeli army, remember? Hezballah fought Israel! Mthrs!
They still cried. Used all kinds of propaganda and it was working for the pinheads here too. Hezballah said don't worry Lebanon, Iran will give you money! Then Condi ran right there gave them millions. It saved Hezballah and Iran lots of money!!!?!""" I don't get it!
AND WE NEVER GOT THE SOLDIERS BACK!!
A world gone mad -- what else can I say. When will this maddness stop?
How and why was a terrorist group allowed to establish itself in a UN-run refugee camp?
The U.N. agency that oversees the Nahr el-Bared refugee camp in northern Lebanon, the scene of three days of battles between Lebanese troops and Muslim militants, said yesterday it had been aware for months that heavily armed foreigners were moving into the Palestinian enclave but were helpless to stop them.
The extremists of Fatah Islam, who local reports say hail from Syria, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Bangladesh, apparently entered the camp, just north of Tripoli, several months ago. They are thought to have arrived in a group, not individually.
Officials of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) could not say how a large band of foreigners carrying what has been described as mortars, rockets, explosive belts and other heavy weapons were able get past the Lebanese army soldiers stationed outside the camp.
They also could not explain why militias of young Palestinian men who provide security and gather intelligence throughout Nahr el-Bared and other Palestinian areas allowed foreign fighters to settle there.
Condi ran right there gave them millions. It saved Hezballah and Iran lots of money!!!?!""" I don't get it!
Posted by: MZ
Neither do I.. all I can say is.. be VERY *creative* whenever you file your taxes.
Knowing that your very own money will be used to finance enemy operations is positively galling!
I'd rather send money privately to pay for our soldiers' body armor and whatever other combat needs thay may have than stupidly sending loads of cash to Washington.. where people like Hakeem Ellison - and Ted 'The Red' Kenndey - have control over how my money is spent.
I want America to stay ***AMERICA***. And I am not even a citizen. I am only a ***legal*** Green Card holder.
If Germany keeps sliding down the multikulti abyss I may well have to apply for US Citizqenship.
For now I keep hoping that the rational forces in my country and in all Europe will STAND UP and take control of the situation.
So I have to stay a German citizen for now.. the balance is tilting toward our enemies way too much as I can see..
If I give up my German citizenship I am relinquishing what little say I have left in Germany and **EU**rope..
I must retain some voice as regards our **EU**ropean future.
They are handing out passports like candy at a 'palestinian' jihad celebration party and my resistance can only be manifest as long as I swallow my rising disgust and as long as I refuse to clear the field by removing myself as a citizen of the country I am heir to - for better and for worse.
I am a native autochtonous German and I refuse to allow these cheap interlopers to dictate our national agenda and culture and our politics.
I am a friend of the courageous Danes who dared use our innate - self-immanent, as Immanuel Kant would have defined it - rights of FREE and SELF-expression such as these brave Danish Cartoonists did..
I am a friend of all our European Nations - most of whom were at War so many times with my own.. I am a friend with those who were our half-hearted allies as well..
I am even a friend with our fatally blind Left who still don't realize the danger they are putting all of us in.
I strongly support the God-given Rights of the English to remain just THAT - ENGLISH.. not only by their culture and their language, but by their customs and their National borders as well..
Any Nation's borders are maintained not only by the vigilant protection of such by military might as seen in World Wars 1 and 2... but equally so by an equally patriotic and therefore vigilant control of the pattern of immigration by outsiders who seek to resettle in these very same lands.
What harms England these days - harms Germany - as much as it harms all of Free Europe. What harms any One of Us - harms all of us.
We are no longer enemies, my dear friends..
We MUST let go of past inter-necicine in-fighting and the patterns of politically harming one another arising thereof..
Our mutual enemies are living and well-established whithin all of our lands by now.
We are not only bound by our self-interest of our National and cultural survival to stand fast in mutual aid to one another.
We are bound by our common opposition to those who seek to undermine our very societies and by our common will to defend our hard-won and by now commonly-held ideals against those who seek to destroy them.
I, for one, understand the fates of Britain and France.. and those of Poland, and Serbia and Spain.. and all those whom I fail to mention by name right now.. to be intrinsically intertwined and of mutual dependance and importance just as those of my native country of Germany.
I vow to lay my very own life down in the defense of any of your Holy Western Lands just as my very own.
Our enemies see only the 'umma'.. the paranational Community of islam.
I see the Community of Free and Independent Nations who are respectful of each others' rights and interests as even more worthy of Defense than the desire of our common enemies to destroy us all and to tear us all down.
The irony of it all is that these enemies of ours are forging an enlightened understanding and mutual appreciation among all of us.. many of us who formerly have been at war with one another for Centuries... many of us who have thought each other to be eternally irreconcilable enemies..
The irony of their jihad against us is that they have made us talk to one another.. to understand and appreciate one another.. not the politicians, of course.. but the people.. the "subjects".
I've met sympathetic Russians [and you'd think they'd HATE a German].. and I've met Israeli Mossad agents.. and even dated an Israeli girl who fought in the IDF..
I've met Frenchmen who are tired of being put down for simply being French..
I've met Poles who were delighted that I - a German - knew about the heroics of Jan Sobieski.
I could go on.. but I think you all get the idea.. We Europeans are learning about one anohter in ways we never learned in school..
This should include the USA and AUS and CDN as well.
I always hate to see internecine breakouts of stupid arguments between Brits and Americans [for the most part] on this forum whenever one of our guvmints does something particularly stupid in our COMMON FIGHT AGAINST ISLAM/FASCISM!!
Let us STAND TOGTHER. Lasses and Lads!!!
Garçons te Filles.. Fräuleins und Männer!!
Ragazzi e ragazze..
..and so on!!
We are all friends and - more importantly - ALLIES in our common War for Our Very Survival.
I hate to sound so dire, my dear Friends but I do think that all our backs are AGAINST THE WALL!!
We are facing enemies within our very own lands.. enemies of our very own cultures and upbringing.. enemies who for whatever reason just didn't get it..
I've lost dear family members for my outspokenness but if I truly care for them - as much as they may despise me at this time - I have to do what I am doing.
What I do now - at the risk of life and family.. of dear friends and career..
..I can only hope that these things that I do now will be effort enough to save them - or at least their descendants - from a fate of living either as humiliated slaves [dhimmis] or as collaborators to a victorious creed drunk not on alcohol but on the gain of their power.
The defense we muster at this time may seem more doomed to failure than righteous in the ideals of both Mankind and God...
But I know that there are others besides myself - borne of many cultures and Nations - who would rather die a painful death than confess to a lie.
You are the ones who give me both faith and comfort.
I know none of You in person but I read your statements and comments on this and a few other lists and forums.
I've been at one demonstration against the islamo-fascist menace so far and I was glad to see even less than 50 stand up and be counted in OPPOSITION!
I simply cannot accept the idea that all Mankind will fall to a fascist and unthinking creed..
As bleak as things may appear at this time.. the Pro-'palestinian' Hitlery Rotten poised to assume power.. backed by a resurgent 'democrat' Congress and House...
We MUST hold fast to the KNOWLEDGE that Evil can never overcome GOOD - unless GOOD refuses to believe in itself.
That is the lesson that I - a German - take from the life and passion of purpose from one Winston Churchill.
He NEVER refused to believe that GOOD would ultimately win in the face of absolute Evil.
He NEVER was afraid to say what he KNEW to be right in the face of vociferous opposition.
Winston Churchill knew there are certain Absolutes to which all Mankind is bound by some Law.. call it Divine or call it Humanist.. we all are bound by certain unalterable standards of Human Dignity and therefore of conduct..
His uncompromising spirit to hold all of us to these in his vew immutable and unalterable standards is what gave him the guts and the balls to rally his Nation to their unwavering and uncompromising resistance to German fascism.
One Man can indeed make a huge difference.. Next time this could be a Woman..
In the Western World we have both individuals and the masses exerting themselves for the Common Good.
Let us NOT throw all of these hard-won achievements away in our accomodationanist desire to crawl under the 'universalist' mantle of islam.
We MUST remember that our present societies are not established in the face of German Nazism and Japanese Imperialism.. as much as all our media desire to establish our intrinsically entertwined Histories of internecine warfare as such.
As the universalist progressive societies which all of us - both victors and formerly vanquished - claim our mutual roots from.. we have to own up to the uncomfortable fact that the noise created by the settlement of our former differences has only temporarily drowned out the never-ending, never-subsiding shouts of Global Jihad.
I do not choose this irreconcilable dichotomy world-wide.
In fact I truly wish this weren't so. I wish my logic would just stop shouting in the face of my
desire that everything will just be alright...
But how can I hide my intellect in the face of insurgent violence against Buddhist elders in Thailand.. as has become known just today?
How can I pretend that there is nothing wrong in the Wonderful World of Islam?
How can I continue to pretend all of these things just so that I can retain friendships with the Unthinking?
Why am I beginning to feel like a German during the Third Reich all over again??
Not that my being a German should make the difference right here and right now...
... after all.. don't 'the Jooz' have their own State by now?
Krauters please...
None of us should ever feel morally enabled to unthinkingly pass judgement on the State of Israel.
We Germans should at the very least lay **very low** on judging the very State whose existence we have been most responsible to create the Rationale for.
Let's be honest.. we EU**ropeans have way much more in common with the Jews we drove from our lands than wih anyone else.
Let us not think we can make common cause with their historic enemies in some vain attempt of absolving ourselves of our common Historic Guilt.
Anyone who feels resentment as regards Jewish claims for post-Holocaust restitution or similar claims should be advised to discuss their feelings with the claimants in a non-threatening atmosphrere - before they unthinkingly take up the positions of our mutual enemies.
I remind my dear countrymen that National Pride leads to nothing but death and defeat for us all.
Europe must understand that National Pride can from now on only be asserted in the Sporting arena.
We are way too inter-dependent for anything else if we don't wish to become easy prey to the expansionist Imperialism of islam.
This is NO JOKE!
Italy may beat Germany in the semi-Final of the World Cup in our very own Home.. [and yes treacherous the Italians are known to be].. they may even win their Fourth Cup on the back of the hapless French in Berlin..
..However.. WHEN THE CHIPS ARE DOWN... The Italians MUST KNOW that both the Germans and the French will be at their backs to defend thir country against islam!
We MUST be willing to defend SPAIN against any idea that Andalucia belongs to anyone but SPAIN!!
This affects all of us!
By the way.. this includes you Americans!!
The Left fought for the Spanish Republic!!
Now it is ***WE*** who may have to fight for whatever republic is under Threat in Europe!!
WHY can only the LEFT muster a force to help their allies..? And I actually think they did the right thing to support the Spanish Republic..
Are we really "the Right" simply because we refuse to compromise our Freedoms?
Sounds way simplistic to me...
Anyway.. We must become ready to support ANY European Nation under threat of islam.. even by pledging our very own lives..
This is worse than German Naziism..
The Nazis were well-opposed by popular sentiment and media..
Can we say the same about islam at this time?
It is up to YOU and I and ALL of US to do our part and STAND OUR GROUND!
Speak UP in the face of your Liberal Friends.. and Family..
The lives you save will be not only your own.
I'd be So glad if History turned out to reveal me as a small-minded racist and a bigot.. I will gladly bear that Cross.. for all of those of you who were right and who courageously called me out as the small-minded bigot and racist that you know me to be.
You know what? I ***WISH***.. I really do wish I am that small-minded bigoted racist who's got islam all wrong....
How many friends have I lost so far?
Family members too? I know not to expect an inheritance even from my closests..
Yet.. I am proud to speak out. Say what I believe to be true.. I know I might be wrong. And guess what? I **WISH** **I** **WAS**!!!
Damn.. do I ***EVER*** hope I am wrong about my thoughts regarding islam!
Call me every name in the [PC] book.. what do I care.. as long as my worst nightmares never come to pass!
I'll gladly take the abuse for having been one of the 'doubters of the religion of peace'.
I would gladly give my life to be wrong.
But I will FIGHT like a BITCH if I ever meet one of these nihilists on a flight I happen to be on. You better believe.. alla will NOT be happy u met me should we be on a flight u intend to screw with. I LOVE my life.. and I LOVE the lives of those around me... because I KNOW that the REAL GOD of the Universe expects us all to safeguard and preserve all of Her/His Creatures...
..SO opposite to the dictates of islam..
I am a coward just so you all know.. but I could never live with myself if i saw anyone in danger.. even if it were a cat or a dog or another animal.
I know we are mandated to preserve one another and keep each other 'Safe from Harm'.
To know ths requires no particular religion nor a God/dess nor a creed..
I declare that it is self-evident that any conscious being should know that it is morally mandated to come to the assistance of any other being whose peril or suffering it is conscious of and capable of coming to aid of.
I also declare that I have yet to see evidence of such thought or action from within the Culture of Islam.
I am waiting for contradictory evidence.
I am waiting for the people of islam to go beyond themselves and that which is expected from you within your narrow cultural and social circles..
I am calling on you to cast aside your shackles.. see how others have selflessly come to yor aid in the past..
You must be willng to do what I cannot offer at this time myself..
You must be willing to offer your very own life in order to come to the rescue of someone who your very own religious leaders have cast as a 'worthless infidel'. You must be able to cast aside all restraints if you will treat a fellow Human Being as just such..
Think them Rich.. Think them American.. do they now have the very same and unalterable Right to Live which You have?
How do you explain not saving them?
Whom do you explain this to?
Are *YOU* worthy to determine that they aren't worthy to be saved?
Are *YOU* God?
Let these simple thoughts guide your treatment of others.
I am not a religious person. I try to break everything down to logical thought.
How do I know that my moral conduct is predicated on anything but "do unto them as you'd have them do unto you"?
Simply because.. I have ***NO*** desire at all to hurt anyone nor do them harm..
WHAT the F*** for? WHY would I want to?
Leave me and mine alone and I will leave you and yours alone..
THEY, on the other hand, can never be happy until they see us "subdued".
Our Higher Moral Ground looks like something weaker in their eyes..
WE do not seek to conquer their territories and lands.. we merely seek to continue OUR way of life ***FREE OF ISLAM***
Yet we are cast as invadors and as conquistadors.
Including our very own News Media.
So who and what are we? Are we a bunch of blood-thirsty Vikings..? Are we renascent Goth-Nazis building on permanent enmity with oyur neighbors to Our East and to Our West?
Are we really so stupid to believe that the French to our West and the Poles to our East.. the Germanic and the European peoples to our Europan South aren't our Natural Allies and Friends??
Do you really think you can call us Nazis when we have German-born children of Nigerian Fathers who are perhaps of darker skin than most of us are.. but not ONE BIT LESS PISSED OFF!!??!!!
HOW does a Claudia Roth or some other Na.. er.. Sozi... explain that a German-born man who happens to have dark skin would be ROYALLY PISSED-OFF about foreigners born in German treating German Women with completely unacceptable verbal abuse?
Not.. as I've been informed.. on a rare basis.. but rather on a daily.. a casual basis!!!
Is this something that any of us... white skin.. or darker skin.. want ***OUR*** own.. - OR to that matter ****ANY**** women of any background to be exposed to??!!
WE as Germans are responsible for the well-treatement of all who come to our Holy German Druid Lands..
Which means NO woman - or man - shall be allowed by us to be subject to inhuman or degrading treatment.
This includes islamos in our Lands desiring to mistreat their womenfolk. This is simply UNACCEPTABLE!!
We have to stand up to them even for their treatment of their own islamic women.
If they choose to bring their women to our lands we are responsible for the dignity and the well-being of the women they bring to us.
They do not own these women.
These women are endowed with inalienable rights which we all hold dear.
We must be prepared to not only defend "our own women" as bearers of these very rights..
We declare that ALL women and men are endowed with certain inaliable rights.
Something worth fighting for..
Do I make any sense at all?
Something worth fighting for..
Do I make any sense at all?
Posted by: Allahfanculo [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 2, 2007 6:04 AM
>> Absoulute, 100%, perfect sense. Well stated!
However, nothing will be done in Eurabia until those magnificent monuments to the TRUE GOD are converted to mosques..
Let see, that list would include...
1. Cologne Cathedral
2. St Peters' Basillica
3. Ulm Cathedral
4. St Pauls' Cathedral
5. Notre' Dam
Need I continue?
Pigslam already stole the Haggia Sophia; they won't stop with this.
Keep up the good fight! And fight for your beloved Deutschland! I will be right beside you!
Let us NOT forget the immutable motto of the German Nation:
"Einigkeit und Recht und Freiheit"
A concept that, sadly, has long faded in the minds of people in most Western Nations.