"They believe they have been forced into something against their faith, something against their religion." Ultimately that is going to have to be sorted out, and not just for Minneapolis cabbies. Is the U.S. going to accept Sharia provisions, or reject them? We cannot ignore the problem forever.
"Minnesota Muslims in culture clash at airport," by Todd Melby for Reuters, with thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist:
MINNEAPOLIS (Reuters) - For Mahamed Jama, a Minnesota taxi driver, the Islamic restriction on drinking alcohol is a seamless rule for life."He who carries alcohol, he who drinks and he who sells it are the same thing," he says.
That belief could affect his livelihood.
The commission that runs the Minneapolis airports in May began enforcing a new policy allowing it to revoke the licenses of drivers who refuse to ferry passengers carrying alcohol -- something that has happened to 4,854 travelers trying to get a cab at Minneapolis International Airport in the last five years.
"The increased penalties appear to have brought drivers into compliance," airport spokesman Patrick Hogan said of the policy -- a 30-day license suspension for a first infraction and a two-year license revocation for a second.
Although Hogan said the measure was implemented without incident, it has provoked outrage among some of the 900 cab drivers who work the airport. About three quarters of them are Somali, most of whom are Muslim.
"A few of them are really, really upset about it," said Omar Jamal, executive director of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center in neighboring St. Paul. "They believe they have been forced into something against their faith, something against their religion."...
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
Theodore Roosevelt 1907
Words these Somalis should take to heart or leave.
The cabbie is upset because he isn't free to discriminate.
Is it discrimination to prohibit discrimination? :)) Institutionalized discrimination based on gender and beliefs lies at the very heart of Islamic Law. This fact will be known by all eventually.
Muslims don't have to be cab drivers, instead they could chose lines of work that would avoid all contact with alcohol, pork, uncovered wild slutty womens, western TV, representational art, music, western discourse, non-muslim religious symbols such as the Magen David and the Cross, gays on The View or other media pipes and other such corrupting influences.
If the land of the infidels is so objectionable, one always has the choice to leave and go to any number of Islamic countries.
If one assumes that the Western nations should change to accommodate any and all beliefs of guests and immigrants, then they are deluded and will be disappointed. People will protect and defend Western Civilization in the end.
"A few of them are really, really upset about it," said Omar Jamal, executive director of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center in neighboring St. Paul. "They believe they have been forced into something against their faith, something against their religion."...
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Nobody has stuck a gun to their head and told them that they have to be a Cabbie. If you are unwilling to transport alcohol or dogs then DO NOT take a job that requires you to do so.
As a Christian I don't believe in abortion, but I don't take a job at a clinic and then sue them for forcing me to do something against my faith. That's crazy, but that is exactly what these Muslims Taxi Drivers are doing.
"They believe they have been forced into something against their faith, something against their religion."...
--From the article
They could always switch professions and weave prayer rugs for a living, keeping in line with their religion.
While they are at it, attempting to "force" their religious beliefs onto a secular society, why don't they just leave this country and avoid all the religious persecution that they are obviously being "forced" to endure.
Certainly, no one is "forcing" them to stay, now are they?
Note the obligatory Reuters take on the Pew poll (page 2):
A recent Pew Research Center study estimated there were about 1.4 million U.S. Muslims age 18 and over, though this figure is debated. The same report also found Muslims were "largely assimilated (and) happy with their lives."
And they can get a different job if they don't like it.
I am outraged at their behavior, especially with the blind and seeing eye dogs.
They will never learn or win, we should be thankful for their stupidity...
The real story here is HOW the Somalis for all practical purposes took over the cab business in Twin Cities. I smell discrimination, coercion and corruption. Maybe someone there can tell us.
Muslims in whatever profession in the West from cabbies to Drs in hospitals 'cover each other's asses' and promote each other and lie and bribe and wheedle on behalf of 'fellow conquerors'.
Nobody has stuck a gun to their head and told them that they have to be a Cabbie. If you are unwilling to transport alcohol or dogs then DO NOT take a job that requires you to do so.
As a Christian I don't believe in abortion, but I don't take a job at a clinic and then sue them for forcing me to do something against my faith. That's crazy, but that is exactly what these Muslims Taxi Drivers are doing.
Posted by: Monkeywho at June 13, 2007 10:53 AM
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Surely you aren't suggesting I can't take that mail carrier job with the USPS -- then claim that since my faith teaches Islam is a dangerous cult, I cannot deliver/pick up mail at mosques. I mean, "forcing" me to partake in actions I deem objectionable to my faith is unAmerican. If the mosque leaders have a problem with not getting their mail delivered/picked up, they can make other arrangements because I have a right to that job!
I think there is a federal law, in the 'Brown Act', maybe, that sez, an employer cannot force an employee to do anything considered immoral by the employee. The employee, get's to define that moral stand, not the employer. Probably there is a clause in the employment contract that say's the employer can terminate the employee for any reason or no reason. There is no 'right' to driving a cab.
Not only that, but if the public was awake to Islam, they would not want to ride in a cab where they know the driver hate's them.
but muzlims don't mind growing or selling drugs, which is also haram...
hmm, anyone else see the irony and humor in this?
I have no tolerance for intolerant people.
If these false zealots want to keep their cabs "pure" they will find a much easier time of it back in Qandahar, or Baidoa, or somewhere in Baluchistan I'm sure.
In other words, I will always profile my cabbie and reject him before he has an opportunity to exercise his fascism on me.
-XRDC
"They believe they have been forced into something against their faith, something against their religion."..."
Presumably this is based on the fact that
"Last year, the MAC received a fatwa, or religious edict, from the Minnesota chapter of the Muslim American Society. The fatwa said that "Islamic jurisprudence" prohibits taxi drivers from carrying passengers with alcohol "because it involves cooperating in sin according to Islam.""
http://www.startribune.com/462/story/1029753.html
So somewhere in the Koran or the hadith or in traditional Islamic jurisprudence it says something about cabdrivers transporting passengers with alcohol? They're making this stuff up! Even if they were merely extrapolating from the Islamic prohibition against drinking alcohol to this imagined prohibition against "carrying" alcohol - they aren't the ones who are carrying the alcohol - the passenger is carrying it. Is the extrapolation then to the fact that they are carrying the passenger and thus cooperating in sin? Well then what about selling alcohol to customers in convenience stores? Thousands of Muslims must work in convenience stores selling beer and wine to customers. They should all quit their jobs then. If they can't be near even bottles of alcohol because that is coooperating in sin, then they should avoid being pilots or flying on airplanes (where alcohol is served), or eating in restaurants or even walking or driving past liquor stores. In this article James Arlandson discusses some of the verses in the Koran and the hadiths related to alcohol but none of them have anything to do with carrying alcohol:
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Authors/Arlandson/drinking.htm
If there is some basis in the texts to prohibit carrying or being around alcohol (as opposed to drinking it), these Muslim cabbies should be required to produce the Islamic evidence. Or rather the Minnesota MAS who issued this fatwa should be required to produce the evidence.
Good one Plague!
I assume when you say "uncovered wild slutty womens", you are referring to the uncovered wild slutty womens from the land of the pure who frequently troll here. lol
Shoeless Joe - I always enjoy references to Wild Slutty Womens in the Postings of the Pure. I liked it so much that I began using the term myself.
I also like to think of Muslimahs who troll and post for da'wa in the most positive ways. In fact, when I read and write to Naseem I like to think of her as looking like this lovely lady - of mixed Paki and German heritage:
Yasmeen Ghauri
http://www.webwombat.com.au/lifestyle/fashion_beauty/images/ghauri3.JPG
Truly anyone that beautiful can't be bad, right? At least not all that bad. It helps me keep right-minded when reading Naseem's posts.
From the article:
"...drivers who refuse to ferry passengers carrying alcohol -- something that has happened to 4,854 travelers trying to get a cab at Minneapolis International Airport in the last five years."
But, from the same article:
"But Stephen Cooper, former commissioner of the Minnesota Department of Human Rights, said the change from the previous policy, in which drivers refusing a fare went to the back of the line, is unwarranted.
"Five or six times a month, somebody will get the second or third cab, rather than the first cab," Cooper said. "That seems pretty minor."
Well, Stephen, my math shows that happening almost 81 times a month.
In truth, once a month is once too many.
And I have yet to hear or read of individual or group PROVING that carrying alcohol in a cab or on a camel is an Islamic no-no.
CAIR says it's due to a 'strict and rigid interpretation of Islamic law'.
So, do the cabbies believe that Islamic law should control the way I live my life, too?
Note, too: this isn't about denying a cab driver's license. It's about denying permission to operate on airport property.
"CAIR says it's due to a 'strict and rigid interpretation of Islamic law'."
Well if that strict interpretation has to do with merely cooperating in sin, as the Minnesota MAS fatwa implies, then since much of what we infidels do daily in our lives is sinful, according to a strict interpretation of Islamic law, Muslims are "cooperating in sin" by merely living here among us. When a cabbie transports an unveiled woman, that is cooperating in sin. When a Muslim boards a bus with an unveiled female driver that is cooperating in sin. When a Muslim walks through a store with music playing on the speakers that is cooperating in sin. When he walks down a street that has billboards of half-clothed women, that is cooperating in sin. So the bottom line is that the Muslims who issued this fatwa as well as the cabbies adhering to it need to be shown the door out of the country. We certainly wouldn't want them to have to coooperate in sin in so many little ways every single day of their lives.
I'm just wondering what the grain alcohol content is of the gas that they are putting in their cabs. . .
Sharia is for cavemen. If these idiots don't like America's laws and guidelines, they are welcome to go back to the hole they oozed out of. They are not necessary.
"They believe they have been forced into something against their faith, something against their religion."...
Fine. Just get another job then and dont be a cab driver. No reason why everyone else has to accomodate you when your religion is so restrictive.
On another note, with American increasingly getting into biofuels, I can see this conversation:
DRIVER: Is that a crate of Jim Beam I see?
PASSENGER: Yes
DRIVER: Well then I cannot carry you as my Islamic convictions prohibit me from carrying passengers who drink alcohol.
PASSENGER: But this isnt for drinking. This is fuel for my car.
DRIVER : Well I guess that is okay then... Hop in.
STOP IT! STOP IT, STOP IT, STOP IT!
Let the cabbies (and Target-clerks-who-refuse-to-check-out-the-bacon, etc., etc.) find another way to make a living, just as anyone else does who's private (yes, PRIVATE) religious beliefs prevent them from working on Saturdays, Sundays, etc., etc.
I hope most Americans get as tired of this whiny B.S. as I am.
"Although Hogan said the measure was implemented without incident, it has provoked outrage among some of the 900 cab drivers who work the airport."
Were we expecting any other response? Vee, I'm sick to death of it.
MmmmmHmmmm - Wild slutty womens. Thanks, Plague. Now I've got to get the coffee off of the screen. It's been a while since I heard that one.
Muslims won't stop wtih their Shariah push....even though I've heard many Muslims including last week on a radio show state the it's absurd what these Muslim cab drivers are doing.......get this...in Toronto...the Muslim community is trying to ban dogs off the leash there ...not for fear of them biting anyone....but for fear of them licking people ! It was toooooo funny but so typical....it's endless but again.....we put up with them...we let them in....we appease them so it always does come back to us. Of course they will take what we give them....why not?
"They believe they have been forced into something against their faith, something against their religion."...
Duh! Find a job where your delicate sensibilities are not offended. Go sell pencils on a corner. Work construction. Open a falafel shop. Be a garbage collector. Sell suits. Go do something useful and stop whining.
"People will protect and defend Western Civilization in the end."
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
It needs to start happening. Now.
It seems everything is against islam according to those muslims. When are they going to outlaw farting?
Callmeinfidel - farting was outlawed circa 640 AD:
Allah won't listen to or forgive a farting muslim:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/008.sbt.html#001.008.466
Angels won't help someone if they fart:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/008.sbt.html#001.008.436
but if they pass wind that resembles a tune, is that DOUBLE the punishment???
Well if Muslims pass wind during prayer they're supposed to at least redo their wudu before proceeding but the dilemma of what the imam leading prayer is supposed to do if he passes wind is reflected upon here:
http://www.islamicanews.com/displayarticle30.html
BITCH, BITCH, BITCH. Ever since the dog ate the baby, it's "Sell the dog! Sell the dog!".
yikes, you mean MORE WASHING? that'd NEVER happen...
This reminds me of a fatwa issued by His Most Esteemed Flatulence, Mufti Ibrahim Desai, where he advised the questioner whose job sometimes caused him to sell liquor and nekked women magazines. The advice was to not work there.
My advice is the same. only different. Make like horse manure and hit the trail. Leave the Western Hemisphere. Amscray. Skedaddle. Vamoos.
In Britain many muslim shop owners sell alcohol and soft porn magazines. You see as they are only for kaffir use its OK......
But there is something JW posters might find interesting on the subject of muslims and alcohol. Hotels close to muslim areas have a problem with young muslims. One guy will take a room for the night and up to a dozen friends will join him so they can all drink themselves into a stupor. The problem for the hotels is they dare not refuse (that’s racism) but the room is wrecked and the cost of the clean up is several times the rent they get.
My religion encourages the drinking of alcohol (with moderation) as one of the right pleasures given by my God. By not allowing me to transport my wine, Muslims are denying me the right exercising of my religion. I am not being glib here. The sin of drunkenness aside, Christians and Jews generally see alcohol as a divine blessing. We Christians also use alcohol in our religious rituals. Consider the widespread references to the blessing of moderate alcohol use in our holy scriptures. Muslims who will not transport me with my wine are offending the right exercising of my religion.
1 Tim. 5:23 - Paul tells Timothy to drink not just water, but a little wine for the sake of his stomach and frequent ailments. If Paul under divine inspiration encourages the drinking of wine, why do some Protestant churches prohibit it?
Gen. 14:18 - Melchizedek offers a bread and wine sacrifice, and Jesus is the Priest in the same manner. Heb. 5:6,10; 6:20; 7:15,17.
Gen. 27:25 - Isaac brought Jacob wine, and he drank, with God's favor.
Neh. 8:10 - Nehemiah commands the faithful to drink sweet wine to celebrate the Lord and His holy day.
Psalm 104:15 - the Psalmist writes that "wine gladdens the heart of a man." God gave us the fruit of the vine to enjoy.
Ecclesiastes 9:7 - "drink your wine with a merry heart, for God approves what you do."
Wisdom 2:7 - "Let us take our fill of costly wine and perfumes!"
Sir. 31:25-28 - "Wine is like life if drunk in moderation." God created wine to make us glad, so we rejoice in heart, and have gladness of soul.
Sir. 40:20 - "Wine gladdens the heart."
Isaiah 25:6 - God will provide a feast of rich foods and choice wines.
Amos 9:14 - God declares that His people shall plant their vineyards and drink their wine.
Zech. 10:7 - God says that when He saves His people, their hearts shall be glad as with wine.
James-
That has to be the first time I've seen anyone quote the apocrypha.
Don't forget what Jesus turned water into.
-XRDC
Time to import non-Moslem cab drivers from non-Islamic countries. If we cannot find Americans to do that work, give visas to non-sharia-demanding taxi drivers from such places as the west Indies or India.
James Martel, If you had ever been around any Christian fundamentalists, you would be extremely bewildered. I had some neighbors who firmly believed that Jesus drank non-alcoholic wine. Alcohol was a sin, sin, sin. According to them, we were sinners for going on picnics on Sunday and to the public swiming pool where my sister wore a swimsuit. Hell and damnation awaited us for having beer in the house. Needless to say, we never socialized with them.
Where I live, the back door to a liquor store is called the Baptist Door.
Christian Bible thumpers were responsible for the stupidest era in American history, Prohibition.
Why do some churches prohibit alcohol? It's all about control and has nothing to do with genuine religious interpretation. They believe that Paul was speaking about wine as medicine and nothing more. Jesus spoke only of drunkeness.
If I had the power to put together another New Testament, Paul would not be in it.
Time for them to return to their Islamic hellholes and rejoice.
Aloha a-holes!
"They believe they have been forced into something against their faith, something against their religion."...
Perhaps they should be forced into ‘something’ because of their fate, as a direct result of their religion like a cattle transport to the nearest cargo ship and sent back to the hole they came from.
Anyhow enough of this nonsense, surely some bright spark can open up a taxi business that caters for the crazed alcohol drinker/carrier and promotes itself by displaying a logo of a sozzled pig. What we need is a visionary from Korea or some such place, I can see it now emblazoned on every taxi “Al Ha’s cabs”!
That’ll do it.
Get another job!
Language grows and changes. I looked up the word 'bigot' and found---'one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance'.
I was taught not to be a bigot, and I don't want to be one. Perhaps there is another word that better explains my position. I do, however, feel that islam is like a fatally flawed operating system for the computer that crashes all other systems it interacts with.
I do believe that enough time could remedy the social disaster that is islam. I do not believe that will happen in my lifetime. So, for my life, I will concede bigotry on this specific subject and consciously avoid people of islamic practice. Call me a bigot, but I want to live and I want to do so away from the threat of this destructive diseased mindset. Oh yeah, mohammad was a pedophile. Maybe he was gay too.
Language grows and changes. I looked up the word 'bigot' and found---'one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance'.
I was taught not to be a bigot, and I don't want to be one. Perhaps there is another word that better explains my position. I do, however, feel that islam is like a fatally flawed operating system for the computer that crashes all other systems it interacts with.
I do believe that enough time could remedy the social disaster that is islam. I do not believe that will happen in my lifetime. So, for my life, I will concede bigotry on this specific subject and consciously avoid people of islamic practice. Call me a bigot, but I want to live and I want to do so away from the threat of this destructive diseased mindset. Oh yeah, mohammad was a pedophile. Maybe he was gay too.
Well, it's actually quite simple. As a mentor of mine was fond to say: tough shit, either accept the conditions that come with the job or quit.
If Islam forbids muslims from coming in contact with people carrying alcohol or people with dogs, then those muslims are in the wrong profession. Get a different job.
couldn't agree moree with Pelayo - it's about control and so is Islam. Regarding Paul being excluded from Christian scripture...which Paul? Scholars think there were at least two and maybe more whose writings were included as "Paul".
Regarding immigration (as an immigrant myself) I believe that
1. the government and people get to decide who comes here.
2. the job of the immigrant is to integrate into american society. The old country is the old country, the old ways are the old ways
3. if you don't like it go back where you came from
4. nobody likes a whiny immigrant - so shut up.
couldn't agree moree with Pelayo - it's about control and so is Islam. Regarding Paul being excluded from Christian scripture...which Paul? Scholars think there were at least two and maybe more whose writings were included as "Paul".
Regarding immigration (as an immigrant myself) I believe that
1. the government and people get to decide who comes here.
2. the job of the immigrant is to integrate into american society. The old country is the old country, the old ways are the old ways
3. if you don't like it go back where you came from
4. nobody likes a whiny immigrant - so shut up.