"Obviously, you don't want to tip off every suspect that they are being monitored. On the other hand, we are not going to wait until the fuse is lit."
By Toby Harnden in the Telegraph, with thanks to Sr. Soph:
The alleged conspiracy to blow up John F Kennedy airport, in New York, and a recent plot to kill soldiers at a nearby United States Army base represent only the "tip of the iceberg" of terrorist plots against America, according to US officials."There's a lot of activity out there," a counter-terrorism official said yesterday.
"Obviously, you don't want to tip off every suspect that they are being monitored. On the other hand, we are not going to wait until the fuse is lit."
He said that the airport plot, which sparked a lengthy FBI sting operation, was first detected by CIA operatives in the Caribbean and South America nearly 18 months ago.
"Our intelligence agencies pay careful attention to what goes on there," the official told The Daily Telegraph.
"Although a lot of the public focus is on Europe, we're also looking closely at the home-grown threat and what's going on in our own back yard."
He indicated that dozens of other plots were being monitored but that improved co-operation between the CIA and FBI - the patchy nature of which was a major criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report - was bearing fruit....
Then there is more information on the JFK plot:
According to the FBI, Defreitas linked up with Kareem Ibrahim, a Trinidanian connected to the Jamaat Al-Muslimeen, an extremist Black Muslim group that attempted to overthrow the government of Trinidad in 1990, and two Guyanans, Abdul Kadir and Abdel Nur.Nur, of Pakistani origin, is still at large. Kadir, an imam and former member of the Guyanese parliament, was arrested after a plane on which he was flying to Venezuela was turned back to Trinidad. His wife said he was heading to Iran for a "religious conference".
Oh, that's sure to be peaceful.
The smiling acceptance of Muslims immigration is self-destructive, and we know from the Europeans not to accept it. And yet, the new immigration bill continues chain immigration for at least 8 years, with the main benefiaries being the most tribal.
Dear reader, Islam is not primarily a religion, but an ideology. Would we accept chain migration of white supremists? No, but we are accepting chain migration of people whose ideology is this-worldly supremicism.
From article: He indicated that dozens of other plots were being monitored...
What does that mean...if they are monitoring all these plots, why are no arrests being made?
The FBI will probably monitor plots until they are far enough along, with enough evidence accumulated, to get convictions. I am truly stunned that we are still accepting Muslim immigration. Even after the last 8 years of chain migration, does anyone know what effect the proposed immigration bill will have on immigration from particular countries? Will a shred of sanity be introduced? For every one of these Jihad maniacs, I'll take 10 immigrants from Mexico, China, the Philippenes, or wherever - as long as they are Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jewish, atheist, pagan...
I agree with you, Quijybo, compared to the Islamists, the Mohammedans, I love the Mexicans and all the others you mentioned.
It really is "truly stunning" that we are still open to Muslim immigration. My God, we (not us here at JW) are willing participants in our own demise...
This morning on "The Early Show" Julie Chen and CBS "Terrorism Consultant" Paul Kurtz managed to talk about the Kennedy plot ans Terrorism in general without ever saying the word "Muslim." Kurtz distinguished the Kennedy group as "non-Arabs," in contrast to the Arab al-Qaeda. But, he never says what these two groups have in common which is they are all MUSLIMS and all follow ISLAM.
It makes me so mad. And CBS makes it difficult for you to comment on their comment form. I pressed the "submit" button and I don't even know if my complaint ("they didn't say "Muslims") even went.
"Come on now! The war on terrorism is just a bumper sticker. George Bush is just trying to create fear in this country."
If you are so naieve to believe that, then I have a bridge for sale.
Sure it’s the tip of the iceberg, geez where have these guys been? But I’m not surprised, from what I hear about the kindergarten debate last night many potential presidents cant make up their minds between killing bin laden or giving him and his family z visa’s. I kept waiting for the moderator to ask, raise your hand if you need to go potty. Unbelievable, these people tell us they are smart but that is just a bumper sticker, a slogan, empty political rhetoric.
The effort of the msm to whitewash islam is absolutely maddening Darcy, you're not alone.
As reported by Debbie Schlussel:
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Mackie
How much for that bridge ?
Need one to go with the soft sharia I got from someone on this site.
We learn from the FBI that...
Great. I wonder if they're monitoring the White House plot to leave our borders undefended.Not an American Citizen? Conducting acts of war against the United States? Why not simply terminate with extreme prejudice? If enemy combattants simply begin to disappear off of the radar screen, that would be a good thing.
The FBI is monitoring what? Terror plots by terrorists? Oh that's right, jihadists. Since we are at war with 'terror', any plots being 'monitored', are terrorist plot's. Since these jihadists are un-uniformed combatants, they should be arrested and turned over to the US military. 'Monitoring' them to get enough evidence for conviction, is the Clintonian way of dealing with it. 'They are criminals, have right's, and are guaranteed their day in court'. Horse pucky on that...this is the enemy...Stop 'monitoring' them. Arrest them instead, and fly em to Club Gitmo.
The FBI is monitoring what? Terror plots by terrorists? Oh that's right, jihadists. Since we are at war with 'terror', any plots being 'monitored', are terrorist plot's. Since these jihadists are un-uniformed combatants, they should be arrested and turned over to the US military. 'Monitoring' them to get enough evidence for conviction, is the Clintonian way of dealing with it. 'They are criminals, have right's, and are guaranteed their day in court'. Horse pucky on that...this is the enemy...Stop 'monitoring' them. Arrest them instead, and fly em to Club Gitmo.
The FBI is monitoring what? Terror plots by terrorists? Oh that's right, jihadists. Since we are at war with 'terror', any plots being 'monitored', are terrorist plot's. Since these jihadists are un-uniformed combatants, they should be arrested and turned over to the US military. 'Monitoring' them to get enough evidence for conviction, is the Clintonian way of dealing with it. 'They are criminals, have right's, and are guaranteed their day in court'. Horse pucky on that...this is the enemy...Stop 'monitoring' them. Arrest them instead, and fly em to Club Gitmo.
The FBI is monitoring what? Terror plots by terrorists? Oh that's right, jihadists. Since we are at war with 'terror', any plots being 'monitored', are terrorist plot's. Since these jihadists are un-uniformed combatants, they should be arrested and turned over to the US military. 'Monitoring' them to get enough evidence for conviction, is the Clintonian way of dealing with it. 'They are criminals, have right's, and are guaranteed their day in court'. Horse pucky on that...this is the enemy...Stop 'monitoring' them. Arrest them instead, and fly em to Club Gitmo.
Sorry for the multiple posts, Allah put a curse on this computer...
justamomof4 quoted Debbie Schlussel
I heard this too. Our national security is in the hands of Walmart clerks, video-copying clerks, truck-driving teachers, and drug dealers hoping for a better deal. Meanwhile our government is inviting more Muslims to come here and enjoy/destroy our "heretical" and "blasphemous" society.
What will it take for our "leaders" to, as Hugh put it, act as if the attack (take your pick) was successful? When will they begin to take this seriously?
“What will it take” by: special_guest
These east coast liberals are in total denial. Eventually we will see the east coast turn into a ball of fire. These deniers will be homeless and very predictably beg other areas to take them in. Do not do it, they will bring the same to your state! It is time that individual states prepare themselves independently for a catrostrophe. We must prepare for these people to bring a devastating attack upon themselves and make arrangements to go on w/o them. They asked for it and it appears they are going to get it, sad, but there is nothing I can do they have pretty much sealed their fate through absolute denial.
An email I received from a family member tells a story of the other America the real one, here it is minus the photos,
"I'm back, it was certainly a quick trip, but I have to also say it was one of the most amazing experiences of my life. There is a lot to be said for growing up in a small town in Texas. The service itself was impressive with wonderful flowers and sprays, a portrait of James, his uniform and boots, his awards and ribbons. There was lots of military brass and an eloquent (though inappropriately longwinded) Baptist preacher. There were easily 1000 people at the service, filling the church sanctuary as well as the fellowship hall and spilling out into the parking lot.
However, the most incredible thing was what happened following the service on the way to the cemetery. We went to our cars and drove to the cemetery escorted by at least 10 police cars with lights flashing and some other emergency vehicles, with Texas Rangers handling traffic. Everyone on the road who was not in the procession, pulled over, got out of their cars, and stood silently and respectfully, some put their hands over their hearts.
When we turned off the highway suddenly there were teenage boys along both sides of the street about every 20 feet or so, all holding large American flags on long flag poles, and again with their hands on their hearts. We thought at first it was the Boy Scouts or 4H club or something, but it continued for two and a half miles. Hundreds of young people standing silently on the side of the road with flags. At one point we passed an elementary school, and all the children were outside, shoulder to shoulder holding flags kindergartners, handicapped, teachers, staff, everyone. Some held signs of love and support. Then came teenage girls and younger boys, all holding flags, then adults, then families all standing silently on the side of the road. No one spoke, not even the very young children.
The military presence, at least two generals, a fist full of colonels, and representatives from every branch of the service, plus the color guard who attended James, and some who served with him was very impressive and respectful, but the love and pride from this community who had lost one of their own was the most amazing thing I've ever been privileged to witness.”
Two Americas, how different they are. I know which one I am a member of and I hope you do too.
And yet amazingly, many in the Bush admin continue to think that the purpose of the war in Iraq is "to fight terrorists there so we don't have to fight them here".
If only Bush could work through the cognitive dissonance of this to understand the real ties that bind Iraqi, Iranian, Saudi, Pakistani, Guyanese, Trinidadian, Jamaican, Indonesian, and Yugoslavian terrorists, instead of blindly thinking that a forlorn war in Iraq is the way to deal with it.
Why do you want to allow immigration from Latin America when so many of them are LEAVING the Catholic Church for Islam?
Be careful what you wish for...
That isn't very democratic is it, Duh swami? The whole point of democracy is that the government CANNOT imprison people without trial, or torture them AT ALL.
I wonder if you would be so keen to advocate torture without trial if it was YOU who was seized because someone had a nameless suspicion, or had uttered YOUR name under torture?
Jihadwatch seems to be for the enemies of peace and freedom to advocate cruelty and injustice, then congratulate eachother on their clemency and righteousness!
http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa06.html
This is the place to start some interesting research if any of you have a conscience left!
If America had been run under correct Islamic rule, there'd be 100% less torture and aggression in your country's shameful history. Wake up America: YOU are the bad guys!
Get lost freak! Don’t these female islamists understand that they are supposed to stfu and breed or become homocide bombers? Why do they post here they have no voice in the islamist world as a matter of fact she could be stoned for even knowing how to read and write.
"Nur, of Pakistani origin, is still at large."
...yet again, we see a Pakistan connection....
yadayada, turn off CNN for a minute. There are no Yugoslavian terrorists. That country hasn't existed for a while now. Those are Bosnian Muslims and Kosovo Albanians (US "allies", with them, Saudis and a few others, who needs enemies...) you're thinking of.
Why does everyone assume US government doesn't know what they're doing with regards to Muslim immigration? Can someone clue me in? I can see Amnesty International being blind to that kind of stuff but not the US government.
Don't these American "champions of freedom" realise they are supposed to BELIEVE in reasoned debate and civilised exchange of views, not "Get lost freak!"
In Sharia law you can be stoned to death for adultery after 4 witnesses have TESTIFIED in a fair TRIAL. It's a quick death, much quicker than American executions, and can be avoided by not commiting adultery.
However, in under 'Ultra-free America' they can seize you without reason, imprison you indefinitely without trial, torture you for many years, and murder you without having to explain their actions. What's more, being innocent of any crime is no guarantee you'll avoid this fate.
Get your facts straight.
Muslim women ARE educated in Islam, which advocates a lifetime of seeking knowledge for men and women alike.
In Sharia law you can be stoned to death for adultery after 4 witnesses have TESTIFIED in a fair TRIAL.
Tell that to the 16 year old Iranian girl hung from a crane fro being raped by a cab driver. after a fair trial and appeal all the way to the Iranian Supreme Court.
Such fairness, compassion that can be avoided by not committing adultry.
Maryam...I said nothing of torture...You brought that up because you associate Club Gitmo with torture, That is your problem...I said enemy soldiers are not entitled to the 'democracy', you speak of. The US is their battlefield, and they are engaging in battle on our soil, not your's or Allah's.. This is a war, not a crime, although laws are violated in persuit of victory. We cannot defeat Islamic jihad in court.
War belongs to the military first, and law enforcement second. Captured enemy soldiers, such as the JFK3, un-uniformed, and un-regulated, do not even qualify for Geoneva convention protections, much less a civilian court trial...
The "iceberg" is made of semtex, and worse, and is being invited to drift into our country, unchallenged.
It would be rude to ask if they want to kill us.
Or aim to undermine our Civilization.
Kumbayah! Sounds a lot like an explosive epitaph in Arabic.
Maryam wrote:
"If America had been run under correct Islamic rule, there'd be 100% less torture and aggression in your country's shameful history. Wake up America: YOU are the bad guys!"
That is, without a doubt, the most absurd posting I have ever encountered on this site. It was obviously intended as troll-bait, for no one, and I mean no one, could take that ludicrous statement seriously.
Since the revelation of the JFK plot by, what else...Islamists...things seemed to be a bit quieter around here, a welcome respite from the usual rants of our Islamic "brethren" who regularly post here.
After reading Maryam's initial offering on this thread, I must make a suggestion that following the documentation of each subsequent example of Islamic agression, that Muslims be forced to wait a mandatory 72-hour period before continuing their baseless claims that the occurences have nothing to do with Islam and of course, it is all America's fault, as the master of tu quoque, Maryam, aptly provided here for our collective entertainment. Let's call it a petition, if you will. I'll start.
/signed.
maryam has a point. And it's at the top of his/her head.
With the splendor of sharia and the horrors of "Ultra-free America", I'm sure we will soon see a flood of U.S. citizens emigrating to Dar Al-Islam. Who could resist? I know I'll be on the next flight to Kabul.
But if it's so horrible here, and if sharia is so wonderful, why do Muslims keep coming here to suffer under our "blasphemy" and "immorality"? And why do they then try to blow up our airports etc.? Just curious.
Oh please, you post anti American screeds and then complain about the response, typical I’m the victim mentality we see all the time. Jefferson believed but Greene, Jackson, Sherman, Patton, LeMay and many others didn’t.
Get your facts straight, she doesn’t do anything w/o hubby’s approval. I don’t know what you have been told or how in the past you have been treated but times are a changing, and they aren’t moving forward. http://www.uri.edu/artsci/wms/hughes/mhviran.htm
As I have said before, if we offered scholarships from Gitmo to prisoners around the world the response would be overwhelming. We would have to open up a whole new agency to deal with the applications. I hear the fudgesickles they serve there are out of this world! http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/illustrating_absurdity/clubgitmo.guest.html
Her posts do illustrate islamist retardation though, we are ultra free yet cruelly indiscriminate executioners of random nobodys, stoning is quick any easy lethal injections are cruel and unusual, panties on the head or Britney Spears over the intercom is torture, not eye gouging, electrical stimulation of the genitals or power drills to the body. BTW panties on the head is humiliation, oh sure we know it is torture to them but what isnt, even our existence is torture to them.
'Everybody must get stoned...'
I saw a pamphlet from Iran describing what size stone to throw during stoning. Big stones are discouraged because they get it over with to quickly, and small sones dont do enough damage/ The stones recommended were slightly bigger than golf balls, and preferably angular. These stones do a lot of damage while allowing the victim to stay alive a long time...Iran's and Maryams idea of a mercy killing...
There is a point to ponder. The appearant ease catching some terrorist before the act might be nothing but a diversion, to tie down the resources of the law enfocement agencies, while something big and evil is brewing in the background.
you're getting very warm there, hemo...
and "the tip of the iceberg" is the understatement of the year. This is merely one of many in the works...not "was", IS...