"Banaz had made several attempts to warn police that her life was in danger, even naming those she thought would kill her. In footage recorded following an earlier attempt on her life by her father in December 2005, she said she was 'really scared'. However her statement following the assault was allegedly not taken seriously enough by investigating officers." Why not? Were they afraid of being labeled "Islamophobic"?
"'Honour killing' relatives guilty," from the BBC, with thanks to all who sent this in:
A father has been found guilty of killing his daughter in what police have described as an honour killing.The body of Banaz Mahmod, 20, was found in a suitcase buried in a garden in Birmingham last year.
Her father Mahmod Mahmod, 52, and uncle Ari Mahmod, 50, from Mitcham, south London, were both convicted of murder at the Old Bailey.
A third defendant, Darbad Mares-Rasull, was cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
Ari Mahmod was also found guilty of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
Mohamad Hama, 30, of West Norwood, south London, an associate of Ari, has pleaded guilty to the murder.
Miss Mahmod was killed after falling in love with a man her family did not want her to marry.
Her father and uncle ordered the murder because they believed she had shamed the family, the three-month trial heard.
Banaz had made several attempts to warn police that her life was in danger, even naming those she thought would kill her.
In footage recorded following an earlier attempt on her life by her father in December 2005, she said she was "really scared".
However her statement following the assault was allegedly not taken seriously enough by investigating officers.
...how can such cretins sleep at night....
The police who ignored her pleas should be dishonourably discharged from the force. And sent to Pakistan or Iraq as a follow-up action.
Were they afraid of being labeled "Islamophobic"?
Robert, I don't think they would have made the connection between honour killings and Islam: the BBC studiously avoided any mention, and it is of course the "religion of peace". It seems that the family were Kurdish and the impression given in the reports was that this was a quaint Kurdish tradition.
Honour killings are almost never reported in the UK, and they never make reference to Islam. As a reader of your excellent books and this and other web sites, the father's double barreled name would have rung enormous warning bells to me. But, sadly, not to other people.
Greetings:
And why in the name of God are the police descibing it as an "honour" killing as opposed to premeditated murder?
And why is the reporter using that insulting description?
Take a close look and you'll find that Islam, like any cult, is designed to devouver, those who question it, even it's own. Like any cult, Islam lures the gullible, intimidates the weak, and murder the rest. After those dissident voices (aka lives) are taken care of, "Islam is peace" for the dead "Rest in peace". For those who are lured, intimidated and cheated into joining Islam, the door closes behind them faster than they can blink the eye. Now you see, there is no way out except "Rest in peace". Now, Islam coerces the newly converted muslim to "join them." and carry on the dirty work of luring intimidating and cheating other non-muslims. Those who refuse to "obey the will of Allah/Islam", they are quickly made to "Rest in Peace". Isn't Islam peaceful?
11B40-
If the media outlets called every killing simply 'a murder', then it could have any context.
Reported as an 'Honour Killing', there is no doubt whatsoever what the 'sanctioned' motive for the murder was, or the religious leanings of the killer or killers.
Take a look at the mug shot of the murdered girl's father and ask yourself: Could a self-described Christian murder his own daughter and look so goddamned unrepentant? Verily muhammadans are the most vile of creatures who murder their own children for their demon allah.
Naseem:
These are Muslims.
And what this Father and Uncle happens al lthe time in Iran, Pakistan, Iraq, Turkey.
Is this he kind of Islam you have in mind?
Naseem, you avoid hard questions.
You dont ever bother examining what 1000 years of Islam has done in Islamic countries. Name me one Islamic country that functions well.
Worldwide communism has been abandoned (possible exceptions being Cuba and Venezula in a retrograde move). You know why? Communism does not work as a system. Not one country has ever got richer following communism. Russia, China & most of Eastern Europe have all got richer because they have abandoned Communism.
Same is true for Islam. Every Islamic country is a misery for women, all corrupt, all mostly ruled by dictators (because if you had democracy, Muslims would commit violence everywhere - which is why dictators are required).
About five years ago a BBC reporter joined the police with the specific intention of investigating racism. Over a period of 18 months he managed to trap about a dozen of his "colleagues" mostly traffic cops into making remarks which he recorded and filmed with hidden equipment. They were all fired, but under communism the Russians had people doing a similar job in their police and army but then they were called “stool pigeons” and run by the KGB.
OT I thought this was interesting because minorities in general and Muslims in particular are notorious for ignoring traffic law - everything from parking on restricted sections to driving without road tax and insurance. In normal times one might have thought they were targeting a group of known law-breakers.
Consequently the police are even more terrified of Muslims than they were before and so far as anything going on in the “Muslim community” is concerned, they just do not want to know.
Second thoughts, I may have posted this before but it's relevant.
We have a woman in Britain called Yasmin (or Susan) Amali Brown, a pretty decent “Uganda Asian” Muslim married to an Englishman who has integrated well.
In the course of a discussion on BBC Radio 4 about the situation of Muslim women in Britain a police inspector from Yorkshire, a strong Muslim area said “We will act in cases of illegal treatment of women when we have evidence, but there is no evidence”
This was just too much for her, she virtually screamed at him and I mean screamed “No evidence! No evidence! What is happening across the range of Britain's northern cities is unacceptable in any civilised society!
As I said the police know, but they are terrified.
Fred, if the police are terrified, then who will do the job that the police are supposed to do?
Will citizens have to form their own militia?
By the way, how many of those investigating officers were muslim?
Why don't we hear cries of indignation from the feminists and from the Left about this tragedy? The alliance between Islam and the Marxists is strong.
From Infidel Pride:
"The police who ignored her pleas should be dishonourably discharged from the force."
Infidel, police officers in Britain currently find themselves under siege from political correctness. Any officer that is accused of "racism" has that accusation included in his permanent record, even if it turns out to be false. Such an accusation can kill that officer's career stone dead.
At the same time, we have a high profile Muslim officer who refuses to wear uniform, and who, during a corrpution investigation, was captured on tape threatening to kill his girlfriend and her mother. He was found not guilty - even though it was on tape - and received a personal apology from the Met Police Chief, and is in line for a very large payout for "racism" directed towards him.
Britain, these days, feels a very strange country...
These were Kurdish Muslims just following the Islamic traditions of the Kurds. Yep... KURDS!!!
The same Kurds that the US and Israel are supporting in establishing their own little autonomous Kurdish Muslim state at the expense of the Assyrians who actually have the sole rights to that land. But the Assyrians don't have any rights to the territory of their own nation because they are Christians. Except for the Pope and some Russian officials, nobody is speaking up for the Assyrians.
The AP gives a more surprisingly accurate report of this event.
http://www.comcast.net/news/international/europe/index.jsp?cat=EUROPE&fn=/2007/06/11/686955.html&cvqh=itn_honorkilling
Of course CAIR and its ilk will call it a particular cultural interpretation of Islam that does not conform with the mainstream, but as the article states, the numbers are rising as Islamic Fundamentalism sinks its claws deeper into England.
11B40,
Honor killing refers to a type of killing. In the Middle East, a woman can dishonor her family by items such as marring somebody her family doesn't approve of, gets raped, is seen with a man not her husband or as in the article : "Miss Mahmod was killed after falling in love with a man her family did not want her to marry."
The description of honor killing is used to explain why the murder happened.
Good thing England and the EU got rid of the death penalty.
Now these murderous maniacs will get free housing, food (halal, of course), medical care, educational resources, execise equipment, use of a law library, visitors, korans, and the inevitable indoctrination into the violent jihad by fellow Muslims in jail.
Good plan U.K. / EU.
Wasting millions on unrepentent homicidal scum.
Only to have them get out in a few years, renewed, refreshed and ready for more.
"Terroristic murder" should have a death penalty attached.
"Honor" killings are exactly that.
Ideological terrorism.
The voice of the BBC said
That's probably a diplomatic way of saying that her family did not want her to date a filthy kaffir. That is, that their dislike was based soley on his non-Islamic religion, not on whether he would have been a good husband to her.
Voltaire
Forming defence groups, no sane person would even think about it. The authorities have 800 years experience of keeping the natives Brits in line and they take no prisoners.
As the problems are located in compact areas and there is almost total censorship few people are aware of the situation. Like every other nasty problem the British politicians hope that if they leave it long enough it will go away.
I do not think any of the investigating officers would be muslim.
special_guest
I do not think the man she wanted to marry was a kaffir but one report said they had arranged for her to marry another man 3 years ago when she was 16. This suggests the arranged marriage was to an immigrant as she could have married someone in Britain at any time. I wonder if as well as the dishonour of breaking a marriage contract they were due for a big payoff for bringing him into the UK?
According to this morning's copy of The Times. One 'honour killing' takes place in Britain every month.
"According to this morning's copy of The Times. One 'honour killing' takes place in Britain every month.
Posted by: LondonBorn&Bred "
...many more go unreported....from time to time a body is found in a shallow grave, in a suitcase, in a rental storage unit, in a closet and so on .....honour killings happen more often than is reported...the family does not care about the victim and the family surely will not run to the police station to report it...
From London's 'Evening Standard' 12th June 2007
Quote:
The specialist Homicide Prevention Unit whose tasks included stopping honour killing was disbanded by Scotland Yard just months before her killing.
The work of the HPU was passed to another department but insiders say it was severely downgraded, while efforts to establish a system of flagging honour crimes was abandoned.
Sources say that political correctness lay at the heart of the decision to downgrade investigations into honour crime because of the criticism of minority communities.
Evening Standard: 'Two 'honour killing' suspects who boasted about raping victim are on the run in Iraq'
Tue 12th June 2007 page 21
England has a long history of this type of murder. I find it deplorable that the british do not react more.
Here is a case that happened nearly 3o years ago
http://illustratedpig.blogspot.com/2006/06/fatherly-love.html
LondonBorn&Bred
"Sources say that political correctness lay at the heart of the decision to downgrade investigations into honour crime because of the criticism of minority communities"
No question about it! They have been "investigating" them for at least 10 years but the only cases that seem to get to Court are the ones were another muslim pushes it or when the whole street hears the victim’s screams.
shiva:
England has a long history of this type of murder. I find it deplorable that the british do not react more.
England - or the UK - has a long history of all types of murder. So have just about all nations. There have always been evil people in the world and there always will be.
So-called "honour" killings are beyond comprehension to most of us. But so are random unprovoked stranger on stranger murders, baby battering and "road rage" murders. I'm afraid we've become desensitised to it all.
Obviously I'd prefer it if all Muslims left our shores so that if they must persist in their barbaric 7th century practices then perhaps I won't get to hear about them.
The interesting question is: why do evil people exist? Perhaps those of you out there who believe in a divine being can answer that one because I can't.
But everyone in the UK, including the police, knows that 'honour killings' means Islam.
That's Alibhai Brown.
As I understand it, he was a Muslim, just from the 'wrong' clan.
Did anyone else see the Newsnight discussion last night with Ed Husain (author of The Islamist)? He was pointing out that, although the government are always saying that they want moderate Muslims to come forward, be helpful, denounce the jihadis ... if anyone actually does, and their life is subsequently threatened, there is no scheme in place to protect them, give them any sort of help or support. The politicians in the studio were looking most uncomfortable about this.
By the way, for the benefit of non-UK readers ... a policeman was stabbed to death yesterday morning in the uninteresting town of Luton, having gone to the aid of a window-cleaner who had been attacked by a total stranger. Five news described it as 'a mugging', but what caught my attention was that the window-cleaner was working at the local Marks & Spencer. A Jewish-owned store.
Now the papers are saying the attacker was 'an illegal immigrant'.
I have a bad feeling about this ...
WSW
I had a similar feeling when they said "Luton" in a guarded sort of way knowing the high muslim population of the town. But did you get the report that the two Somali "Refugees" who killed the Policewoman in Bradford were on bail for firearms offences at the time?!
BBC Radio 4's 6.00pm news 11 June said they had both pleaded guilty to illegal possession of firearms. According to the report they threw a "bag" of weapons out of their car when they were being chased by Police A YEAR before the fatal robbery!
“Refugees” caught with weapons and let out on bail! How crazy can you get and how typical of the MSM to make just one brief mention of such a politically explosive item.
Has anyone kept a body count of police and public killed by asylum seekers so far?
Fred:
Has anyone kept a body count of police and public killed by asylum seekers so far?
Yes. If you have several hours to spare and are not prone to depression go to:
http://www.iamanenglishman.com
... and click the Murder in Britain link on the left.
Warning: you might get angry and experience rising blood pressure. Definitely not for those with a heart condition.
Watling -
Evil exists when good people do nothing.
Ah, it turns out the guy in Luton was called Tennyson Obih. Pretty sure that's not a Muslim name.
I hope the guy who set the woman on fire in St Helen's doesn't turn out to be a Muslim either ...
WSW
tanstaafl:
Evil exists when good people do nothing
No. Evil people exist and operate regardless of what good people do. The policeman who was killed yesterday in Luton by a homicidal maniac was by all accounts a good person. He tried to perform a good deed - i.e. prevent the madman from inflicting further injuries - but died for his trouble. What more could he have done?
That murderer existed and strove to maim and kill regardless of the existence of good people.
People are murdered, maimed, mugged, spat at and abused every day. How can we stop that? There are certainly plenty of violent, deranged maniacs in the world but short of locking them all up before they get a chance to show us all how evil they are (assuming we can even identify them), there is nothing we can do to prevent them committing evil acts.
I could walk down my local high street and pick out several people who I thought had the potential to commit evil acts, but if I complained to the police it would be me that got arrested. I reckon I can spot a weirdo at 50 paces but the police don't act on hunches. They have to wait for the evil to occur.
I'm afraid some people are evil and there is apparently nothing we can do about it. Although, as I mentioned, a step in the right direction would be to remove all Muslims from non-Muslim lands. Then they could commit their horrendous crimes well away from the rest of us.