U.K. Muslim Labour peer on Rushdie Rage: "What would one say if the Saudi or Afghan governments honoured the martyrs of the September 11 attacks on the United States?"

"We have a responsibility to hold the Queen accountable for standing with the people who insult Islam."

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Treading on dangerous ground i think . If the British allow their sovereign Queen to be threatened by Muslims then England is in more trouble than we think.

I mean we know how they punish those who insult Islam and their Supporters don't we?

Does this ass not see that by calling the murderers of 9/11 "martyrs" he has already honored them? Martyrs? Hardly. Murdering scum whose like should be scrubbed from the face of the earth.
It will be interesting to see how the British react to a threat to their Queen.

Alaskan - You pre-empted me by 2 mins

A British Muslim and a member or the House of Lords speaks of “The martyrs of the September 11 attacks”. Not the “Mass murders of September 11 attacks”

To him they are martyrs? Interesting.

Amazing, just one more proof that islam is a cult of zombies. Rushdie killed NO ONE, the "martyrs" better known as the mass murders killed 3000 people.
"We as Muslims should never forget how he insulted the Prophet." Amazing how the moslems revere mohammed a 2nd rate prophet if you can call him a prophet as almost god like. Allah apparently never spoke "directly" to mohammed but through an angel intermediary. Yet, moslems on a daily basis insult christ whom christians believe was the son of god. God spoke directly to christ and he to god, mohammed had to go through an angel, this fact alone makes christ a far more important prophet. Than there is moses, a jew, god spoke directly to him and he to god (the burning bush) that makes moses a far more important prophet than mohammed. When will christian and jews rise up and riot like these moslem zombies when they insult moses or christ? Oh, my bad, christians and jews are not zombies, they are civilized as opposed to the others whom apparently are not.

Typical, more of the same. Sorry I do not have the opportunity to post more often, but my position does not let me coment to blogs on a daily basis.
I personally know of exactly 2 muslims which I can trust, one from Egypt, and the other describing themselves as "Palestinian". The Egyptian does the Haaj thing and visits family, but has been here since the 70's, and would give a Bhuddist the shirt off of his back. The "Palestinian" rejects the LITERAL meaning of the Koran and is totally PO'd at the "Arab" community for all that is happening in the Middle East. Unfortunately, as I told my "Palestinian" friend, his people are being taught that death is better than the life we are enjoying in the West, and they know no different.

Second thoughts.

If he thinks thr 9/11 people are martyrs then the London bombers of 7/7 are.......martyrs?

Will anyone in Britain demand he makes an a apology?

So now the Jooozzz and the CIA guys who did 9/11 are 'martyrs'??? Muhammedan logic at its best....

http://sheikyermami.com/2007/06/23/fisking-the-crookes/

Apparently retracting fair comment on Islam's phony "prophet" is owed to Muslims, because they accept our secular institutions. Please read this:

http://www.kuwaittimes.net/read_news.php?newsid=NzgyMjUwODYw

But is their nominal acceptance of the UN, the ILO, etc merely tactical, until the OIC replaces all international institutions? I see no compelling reason to respect savages who want us to provide surrogate enforcement of their primitive blasphemy laws.

Apparently, only a handful of Kuwaitis feel any gratitude for their liberation. I suspect that they provide massive funding for al-Qaeda. Not that Bush would ever shake his see-no-evil position on Islam, excepting of course the tiny-minority-of-extremists.

What I want to know is why a man whose idea of moral equivalence is to equate the cold blooded murderers of 3000 people with a guy who just wrote a book. Let us please have an urgent investigation as to who nominated and promoted the elevation to the peerage of such an obviously UNQUALIFIED person.

It seems to me that he is giving credence to the fact that 9/11 was committed by islamaniacs.

Could someone email this to O'Donnell and those other sceptics? All those lefty loonies who accuse Bush?

And as others rightly say how many people did Rushdie kill?

Typical muslim logic, or lack thereof.

Realist, he probably simply made a lot of money for himself and his family. Get enough of it and you can almost buy a beatification from the catholic church let alone a English title. A title in the UK now simply means that you have made a lot of political donations and only rarely are they truly deserved.

If you think about it, Muhammad must have died very rich and look at what he bought: " an eternal autocracy". You do not even have to bring God into it. Just allow the workers 80% slaves and booty and they will dream of their 72 lustbots in heaven while they are murdering their way through history.

Hamas founder spills on funding, and other issues:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,490160,00.html

My idea of muslim heaven, 72 virgins, and all the "martyrs" are EUNICS!!!!!

If Britain continues with her immigration policy, it really will become the "Islamic Republic of Britain". What's the point of having troops abroad to fight Islamists if they csn simply move into a country and take it over by their presence? The mainstream parties are abdicating their responsibility in this matter.
Lord Ahmed? Lord!

Obviously this fool isn't even on the same plane of existence, let alone the same planet, as us rational thinkers...
...that is the most non-sequitur, non-correlative "correlation" I've heard in years.

I would laugh at such buffoonery if said clown in question wasn't so "schizo-pathic".

Beyond illucid

Nice one, keep it up and you will polarize the Brits as if they are not polarized enough. You must really be feeling your oats having a go at the Queen that will gain you many friends among the Brits, unfortunately you haven't really started rioting. Most of us Brits still think you are bluffing, braggarts, nothing more than arrogant roosters crowing on a dung heap. We have yet to learn the consequences of that mistake. I really liked the bit about sending Tony Blair back in a bag. Well you know all about that as most of you walk around in bags. Well I have given up, nothing is going to save my country from civil war. With the still massive influx of immigrants continuing and it will increase even more when the Barcelona agreement gets implemented in 2010. This will allow even more of the desert nomads in from even more countries. We in Europe are held fast, enslaved by our need for Arab oil, we are no longer masters of our own house.

An end will of cause come, most likely when Iran gets the bomb and starts to thrown its weight about. Then our politicians will be forced face the facts and do something, not put it off. It is a sad thought to know that the first battle on British soil since Culloden in 1745 will take place sometime in this century most likely in Birmingham Bradford or Blackburn.

With due deference to our American readers, I can just see the headlines of that time. THE BATTLING BASTARDS OF BRADFORD

THE BATTLING BASTARDS OF BRADFORD

Posted by: Holger Dansker

Personally I like,

THE BATTLING INFIDEL BASTARDS OF BRADFORD

Assalamau LAikum WLF,

You say "moslems revere mohammed a 2nd rate prophet if you can call him a prophet as almost god like. Allah apparently never spoke "directly" to mohammed but through an angel intermediary".

What you say is not altogether true is it?

Muhd PBUH spoke to Allah directly when he transcended to his office from Al Aquisa.

On his way up he met the minor prophets like Moses pbuh and Jesus PBUh. Ofcourse Muhd PBUH mindful of his inexperience as a negotiator with the one god Allah SWT took advice from Moses and Jesus as to how much reverence and devotion should be given to Allah on a daily basis.

Initially Allah wanted to be prayed to 50 times a day. Muhd PBUH was told by the minor prophets that there was work to be done, water to be collected, camels to be fed, houses to be built...50 times is simply too much.

Muhd PBUH went back to Allah SAW and after salutations begged (as a slave) that this be reduced....and Allah SWT being ever merciful and all knowing ...reduced it to 25 times a day.

Once again the minor prophets interfered..."it's too much Bro"... there's goats to be killed, food to be prepared, fighting skills to be learned, ...peoples will move away from Allah SWT.

And so Muhd SAW went back and Allah SWT smiled at him...."Moses pbuh and Jesus PBUh...been winding you up eh...they are a naughty lot...so what figure do you have in mind now"?

Bear in mind Allah said "that there will be no further negotiation ...and this legacy will remain in force for ever...kaffur need to move to this too".

So Muhd PBUH on his knees in prayer mode made DUA ..with tears in his eyes looking into that bright light that is Allah SWT .."5 times..if it pleases you..my lord".

Allah SWT was pleased in the manner that Muhd SAW had made the request...and raised his mighty hand and said "So it shall be"....5 times a day....peoples shall pay reverence to me for giving them life, sustaince and the will to live...the oxygen to breathe and goats to eat (something like it probably).

Muhd SAW then promised to spread this practice throughout the world...thanked Jesus PBUh and Moses pbuh for thier advice and came back to the real world.

Now you must bear in mind that peoples didn't pray that much or in a disclipined manner before. Muhd SAW didn't have that much time ....and so he informed his ardent followers to show the rest when to pray, and how to offer salat...and so the religious police was born.

Kaffur please remember....This legacy will be important to your grandaughters.

Somehow, some way, I just knew that sooner or later I'd be looking at the text string Lord Ahmed.

We have now officially hit absolutely rock bottom. As a culture, we can sink no lower than Lord Ahmed. This is the nadir.

Somehow, some way, I just knew that sooner or later I'd be looking at the text string Lord Ahmed.

We have now officially hit absolutely rock bottom. As a culture, we can sink no lower than Lord Ahmed. This is the nadir.

...and so the religious police was born.

Posted by: Naseem

LOL :)

You are a hoot Naseem.
I reckon you are Aisha from LGF..c'mon, own up :)

Woah, look at all those PUBs, SWAts, and MuDs in a typically psychotic babbling posted by Naseem at June 23, 2007 6:32 AM.

Hard to believe so much CrAPs can fit into one tiny little mind...

naseem:

Muhammed was a fraud. The psycho-dynamics of his false claims of prophethood, arise from emasculation. He had married a rich women 15 years his senior, and lost interest in her when she turned 55. Fellow villagers teased him for his human sex toy status, and he retreated to nearby caves. Having heard Christian and Jewish testimony, he used same to concoct a scheme to dupe locals to conduct plunder and murder campaigns on his behalf. When they refused to believe him, he spun for the starving and thirsty savages deceits of heavenly rewards for murder and theft. As his highway robbery escapades led to some success, he was able to attract an enforcement team who would coerce acceptance of his BS.

As soon as Muhammed became wealthy from the "khums" (prophet tax) of 20% of all booty, he devised a legal system that would allow him to live off the labor of others. When his killers had slaughtered so many innocent men, he dealt with the surplus sex booty problem by allowing 4 wives per murderer. As for himself, his self-proclaimed "prophet" status allowed him to seize 13 women in rape-matrimony. One "wife" - or slave by what the "right hand possesses" - was taken in a battlefield rape, after her father and husband were murdered in aggressive war. She was raped, while her father's blood remained on the nabi's clothing.

Muhammed's perverse lusts also led him to force a nephew to divorce an attractive women, who the "prophet" desired for his stable. His personal needs led him to allow male divorce after the simple "talaq" declaration. In addition, he coerced his fellow gangster - Abu Bakr - to deliver up his 6 year old daughter. The pedophile arrangement was consummated when she was 9 and the "prophet" was 55. Bakr's reward for satisfying the perversion was: placement as the first "successor" (caliph) of Muhammed.

The concocter of Muslim dogmas, was: a pedophile, a thief, a murderer, a rapist, a dictator, a fabricator, a parasite, a spouse abandoner, a aggressor, a liar, a fraud, a backstabber, a slacker, a gigilo, a genocidist, an anti-semite, etc. And those were his good points. Muhammed represents the purist form of evil in human form, that ever polluted the planet. As many as half a billion innocents have been slaughtered in his filthy name. Great cultures have been destroyed, in emulation of his revenge scheme against his own family.

The only thing lower than the scumbag who founded Islam, is the believers who eat his vomit. Muslims are to Civilization, as are termites to a wood house. Until the Bush crime family is no longer able to reduce Western Civilization to nation-builders for our mortal enemy, Muslim barbarism will advance.

Supercargo has it exactly right. Mohammad was a bandit prince, and nothing more, who invented a religion to justify his banditry.

I usually wont even bother to reply to Naseem who clearly has her head so far up her islamic fundament that she does not know day from night.
But sometimes she just sickens one too much.

She is a perfect example of islamic indoctrination in that by argument you can prove white to be white and black to be black but it makes not the slightest difference to the islamic vomitus that she spews onto JW as posts.

Naseem your very inflexibility of tone, the evangelical content of yr rants and your smug condescension over your assumed islamic superiority simply proves to most of us that you truly have no idea of the world outside of your poor brainwashed cranium.

Can you not see how limited is your view?
Don't you realise that your very posts tell us so much about you and your limitations. Because you are polite many here just pity you but we still see the islamic sword hidden behind your messages.

I personally would rather roast in any hell free of Muslims than share a heaven with just one of those who cause so much of the world's violence and misery.
Go look at the history of the Indian subcontinent and see what happened to your distant Hindu or Sikh ancestors or does the truth frighten you?

Naseem,

You are correct! Muhammad was certainly not a 2nd class prophet. In fact, he was not a prophet at all, of any 'class'.

Prophets 'prophesy' - that is what they do!

Did the madman of Mecca ever prophesy anything?
And if he did, did it ever come to pass?

Of course not!!

If only Her Majesty could strip this “Lord” Ahmed of his peerage!

Ho, hum. Another day, another instant of good Muslims acting like good Muslims.

I read Diana West’s column this morning while watching a poppa hairy woodpecker feeding his baby from my suet feeder. What started out as a beautiful morning went south with a vengeance.

How would you respond to West’s Live multiculturally or die. I am very much afraid that for us in the post-Christian west it will be live multiculturally AND die.

Do you smell the stench of 70s style stagflation in the air? Take a deep breath because Herr Hillary is the high priestess of multiculturalism, an unswerving socialist and she only wants to help you.

What city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?

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Live multiculturally or die Diana West -

And why is it that all we can hope to get out of our costly, lengthy Middle Eastern war is just another Western-hostile Shariah state? Here comes another difficult realization: It turns out that bringing democracy to Islam just brings democracy to Islam. In other words, ballot booths don't change the illiberal aspects of Islam; they merely provide for them to be voted into office. At the end of the election day, it's still an Islamic culture — whether it's in Iraq, the shrinking Palestinian Authority, Afghanistan or elsewhere. As such, it functions more or less according to guidelines laid out in a supremacist theology that fails to recognize the equality of women and non-Muslims, and, in its political manifestations, is doctrinally ill-suited to Western alliances that are anything but fleetingly expedient.

Of course, this realization is the Big No-No, the stake through the heart of multicultural teachings that give life to platitudes that everyone — every culture, every religion, every people — is the same, or, rather, wants the same things. (How many times have we heard the president or the secretary of state talk specifically about the normalcy of theoretical "Muslim Moms and Dads" even as actual "Muslim Moms and Dads" were celebrating mass murder committed by their suicide-bomber offspring?) For most, if not all, of our leadership, civilian and military alike, this is the blow to be warded off at all costs. As in: Live multiculturally or die.

I'm waiting for Lord (gag) Ahmed to say, "I was misinterpreted.....my comment was taken out of context."

So the murdering thugs of September 11th are martyrs, are they ?
I guess we know which side this "peer of the realm" is on.

Lord 'Ackmed', I thought muslims didn't do 9/11?

Are you listening Charles, defender of the faith? They want to kill your mother.

Live multiculturally or die
Diana West
June 22, 2007
http://washingtontimes.com/article/20070622/EDITORIAL04/106220015/1013

I was amazed to find out there was a "Lord Ahmed." That title is an oxymoron, a redundancy, a contradiction in terms. He called the 9/11 Mass Murderers "Martyrs." Unreal. Sorry, but you ain't no "Lord," Ahmed. Keep dreaming.

And as you said in your fabulous post, supercargo, all of this Muslim cr*p in the name of a phony "prophet" and a god that doesn't exist. I also liked your analogy of "Muslims to Civilization as termites to a wood house."

The "NYT" is still not reporting on the "Kill Rushdie" situation.

"What would one say if the Saudi or Afghan governments honoured the martyrs of the September 11 attacks on the United States?"

Hmmm. Since the only martyrs of September 11 were the ad-hoc citizens militia of Flight 93, I'd have to say, Pinch me. Am I dreaming?

Borg - That was a great comment. After all of the sickening Muslim apologetics we've had to stomach from that idiot, Charles - Hey, Charles, "They want to kill your mother."

Are you getting it now, Charles????

If anyone should lose their title, it's that Lord Ahmed. Why the hell did he get that title anyway? He's obviously of terrorist descent and a closet-jihadi.

Oh this evil Salman Rushdie, always flying planes into muslim high-rises and causing them to collapse.
No wonder the Mohamnazis are so upset. That is the reason, isn't it?

Muslim-'logic':

"Martyr" = someone who mass-murders for Allah.

Writer who questions Mohammad's honesty = worse than mass-murderer for Allah.

Solution: end Muslim immigration and encourage those Mohammedans in the West to return to Mecca and reform their intolerant and violent creed.

A great article by Diana West.

Wow - she actually takes on the Holy Grail of Multiculturalism - that all cultures are the same! Well, NO, they are NOT.

Her "Muslims Moms and Dads celebrating mass murder committed by their suicide-bomber offspring" a particularly cogent example of how DIFFERENT, hello, DIFFERENT, the Islamists are from us and everybody else on the planet.

Also, in discussing the effects of "democracy" in an Islamic country - "At the end of the election day, it's still an Islamic culture." A true democracy recognizes the equality of all of its citizens, and Islam will NEVER, repeat, NEVER recognize either women or non-Muslims as equals.

Never. The Koran doesn't allow it. End of story.

Supercargo - that was an interesting link from the Kuwait Times - almost had me feeling guilty for a minute:

“What is it that gives you delight in humiliating us? I mean you have it all, you have dominated the history of mankind for the last six centuries or so, you have constructed the secular world that is based on your civilization, your culture is dominant and your way of life is the most attractive. We Muslims are nowhere near challenging your cultural, political and economic domination of the world. The days of East-West challenges over who directs and controls the fate of mankind are over. The majority of us have given up the sense of universal obligation to change the world, we have kept our cultural uniqueness to ourselves and we have hidden our identities in our homes. We are merely now trying to find a place in your secular world….We do not discuss labor rights or global warming, you set the standards and we follow them, what else do you want? Do we have to accept daily humiliations and degradation of the most holy symbols and figures of our religion and history to make you happy?Our great prophet died in the seventh century, it is 2007 and you guys continue to offend him, what good can come out of this? Does it give you a sense of superiority to humiliate others? Are you so insecure that you have to spend your time seeking to demonize others so you can look good?”

Wow! I was almost starting to feel sorry for the guy for a minute until it struck me - NOT A WORD from the guy about 9/11, 7/7, Madrid, Bali, Breslan, Mumbai, the jihad in Thailand and the Phillipines, the persecution of Christians throughout the Muslim world, the genocidal intent to exterminate the Jews of israel, the Death to America and to Israel rants of Ahmadinejad - not a word of any of it! It's as though just out of the blue and for no reason at all, the mean infidels decided to start humiliating Muslims for fun while they were just quietly minding their own business trying to accomodate themselves to secularism!

And then comes the by now standard threat:

“By the way, you are talking to a moderate Muslim here. Wait... I no longer know what this means. Does it mean that I shall accept all these insults and sit among my fellow Muslims and defend the guy who offended Muslims and those who honored him? Does this make me a moderate Muslim? If this is what it means, then this is the last thing I want to be.”

I.e. I WAS a moderate Muslim but your insults are forcing me into the extremist camp!

"What would one say if the Saudi or Afghan governments honoured the martyrs of the September 11 attacks on the United States?"

We know by "martyrs" he means the 19 who hijacked and killed 3,000 innocents, so let's not play word games.

The Saudi government has honored them repeatedly.

The Afghan government honored them when it refused to turn over Osama bin Laden.

The very fact that he calls them "martyrs" and not killers is an honor to them. The Saudi government does nothing less. They were honored for their "service" immediately after the attacks.

The question isn't what would one say?
You can say whatever you want. I couldn't care less what the Muslims say. (If only they would give us the same privilege they accord themselves.)

The question is what would one do?
In the West you might see public statements of condemnation.
You will NOT see people going into the streets and killing the first Muslim they see.
You would not see people putting a death sentence on a Muslim who writes that America deserves to die.
You would not see people blowing up mosques because a single Christian converted to Islam. There wouldn't be a mosque standing in the US if that were our policy, as a people or a nation.

The question is: why are threats of random violence the only way the Muslim world knows how to make its unhappiness known?

Jesus PBUh

Small h; big Islam.

When Salman Rushdie kills 3,000 people I will join hands with the Labor peer. Until then the mo-foes of 9/11 are worse.

Ideas and expression is never worse than killing.

"Persecution, tumult and oppression" in the sense that a reactionary, facsist cult is not allow to dominate is never worse than slaughter.

I don't give a shit what Allah says. Allah is not the god known as Yahweh. Yahweh would never tell humans 'persecution is worse than slaughter.'

Go to hell mo-foes and if you don't leave us alone, eventually we'll help you get there. That's not a threat... it's a prediction.

"Salman Rushdie lives in New York. He is controversial man who has insulted Muslim people, Christians and the British. He does not deserve the honour."
Lord Ahmed

Lord Ahmed, clearly the British and the Christians have thicker skins than the Muslims.
We don't consider insults a legitimate reason to carry out a death sentence. Insults are not a declaration of war.
Disagreements are not a reason to shun someone. They are not a valid reason to disregard his many accomplishments. Maybe that's why culture is more advanced in Britain? Maybe that's why Pakistanis make their way there? How did you get there?

Why is it that Muslims seize on anything said by a non-Muslim as a pretext for war? Why is anything that doesn't praise Islam or that even suggests that people who don't believe in Islam are worthy human beings a pretext for violence? Why can nothing roll off Muslims' backs? Are you STILL that insecure in your beliefs?

If he thinks the 9/11 people are martyrs then the London bombers of 7/7 are.......martyrs?
Will anyone in Britain demand he makes an a apology?
Posted by Fred [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 23, 2007 2:57 AM

Lord Ahmed definitely has got some explaining to do. I sure as hell HOPE the British press holds his feet to the fire and demands to know whether he also considers the 7/7 bombers "martyrs". It doesn't matter what he says now though. He's already let the cat out of the bag! One doesn't just accidentally refer to terrorists as "martyrs" unless one is actually on the side of the jihadis.

Hi Caroline. I never felt sorry for that writer for one second. He's playing a game - "Oh, boo-hoo us poor Muslims."

Nope, not buying what he's selling. Not for a second.

Borg - That was a great comment. After all of the sickening Muslim apologetics we've had to stomach from that idiot, Charles - Hey, Charles, "They want to kill your mother."

Darcy,

He'd probably think to himself: finally I'll get to be King! William will have to wait forever, just like I did.

What city do you think good Muslims will nuke first?
from post by Ralph127

That's a tough one. New York City would have to be first. It's the capital of the bankers. After that it's a choice between DC and LA. LA is the home of all those evil movie stars but DC is the seat of government.
I'd have to pick DC.
After seeing the carnage on the right coast, LA will suddenly make movies of the glorious prophet muhammad. They just can't show his face or they'd be blown up, too.
That leaves only the red states to fight back. They'll make us proud.

Well, I hope not, PMK.

Back to the writer of the article "To the people of the West" that supercargo furnished the link to up above - well, the writer's e-mail address is at the bottom of the article.

He's boo-hooing all over the place about how the West is so mean to Muslims! He actually has the temerity to ask: "What is wrong with you people of the West?"

Well, I for one am going to e-mail him and tell him what's wrong with Muslims. I'm going to mention 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, beheadings, genocide in Darfur, mass-murders of Buddhists in Thailand - all of which, somehow, he neglects to mention! I'm also going to mention that the Queen can knight Rushdie and that she doesn't have to give a damn about Muslim "feelings" in doing so! We are not ruled, Thank God, by Muslims.

I urge anyone here to read this article that supercargo provides the link for and e-mail the writer, "Meshary Alruwaih," with a response.

PMK -- Ralph127

Which city first? You mean, which cities, I think.

What they're working towards, IMO, and why it will take so long to pull off, is a simultaneous attack on 10-12 cities with actual nuclear detonations -- not just a dirty bomb or something. This is the Holy Grail of the Islamic terrorist.

They cannot mount a sustained campaign, as you and I (and they) know, they have to put all their eggs in one basket, make it good, and then run and hide and watch the chaos. Terrorism relies on publicity and overreaction from the authorities or it's completely ineffective. (Not to minimize terrorism, but we lose more people in a month to car accidents than we have to terrorism in all of U.S. history... so we could theoretically 'absorb' the loss -- not that I'm willing to do that, just to point out their relative powerlessness to kill Americans.)

I look for this big attack in no less than 5 years. Probably more like 10-12. Very complicated to put together due to the need for total secrecy, and the lack of available nukes in the Islamic world at the moment. It will happen though, sure as day -- the Left will make sure of that by preventing any effective defenses of the country, and I'm not sure there actually IS any defense to it, not given the determination and patience of our Jihadi foe.

The devastation and panic may indeed bring our economy and society down. The world will feel our pain -- they love us only when we're bleeding -- for a day or two and then go back to blaming us for the whole thing.

"What would one say if the Saudi or Afghan governments honoured the martyrs of the September 11 attacks on the United States?"

Suggesting that there's a moral equivalency between the 9/11 murderers and an author that Muslims don't agree with, is obcene.

The man honored the murderers by calling them "martyrs."

When is the West going to figure it out?: Muslims don't belong in our societies.

I thought it was unlawful in Britian to insult the monarch. So why are they making exceptions for Muslims?

What other execeptions is Britain prepared to Make to these people?

Re which cities they would nuke, recall Mueller's recent statements about al Queda wanting to simultaneously nuke 7 cities - New York, Washington, D.C., Las Vegas, Miami, Boston, Houston, and Los Angeles.
http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?p=4172376

NASEEM WROTE "Initially Allah wanted to be prayed to 50 times a day. Muhd PBUH was told by the minor prophets that there was work to be done, water to be collected, camels to be fed, houses to be built...50 times is simply too much. "

Wow!, this makes your allah look like dunce and muhammed more clever than him. you mean to say that Allah, the lord of the universe coulnd't come up with the proper number of prayer times and he had to be helped in this task by clever muhammed? I now visualize allah as a "YODA", from star wars. A TOTAL BUFFOON WITH MAGICAL POWERS.

"I urge anyone here to read this article that supercargo provides the link for and e-mail the writer, "Meshary Alruwaih," with a response"

Darcy,
I already have, and it was a delight. I wonder how many JW posters will do likewise.

supercargo, thanks for the link.
PMK

You are a hoot Naseem.
I reckon you are Aisha from LGF..c'mon, own up :)
Posted by: Mike_W

That's what I have been saying for a while. Naseem is telling us to wake the feck up.

Also, I thought 9-11 was an inside job...moslems didn't do it...?

Goob,
You're right. I hadn't thought about the multiple attacks. There's a belief that they had a dozen or so hijackings planned on 9/11 and only the grounding of the US fleet kept more cities from being bombed. The question is: can a nuclear attack of that size and scope ever be carried out? We don't have direct flights to many of these countries. They would all have to go by way of Europe or Mexico. Their leaders have an interest in not letting material get on Egyptian Air (for example) or any other national airline because the host country would soon be dust. Until Iran has ICBMs that can reach the US won't such an attack remain on the drawing board?

I heard this morning that Iran is trying to get suitcase bombs into the US. The problem is we hear this so many times we get desensitized. We can't spend every minute of every day worrying about what Islamists are doing and so they are able to get around us.
supercargo had another link to derspiegel which did an interview with a leader of HAMAS. He told how he carried several million dollars in a suitcase from Iran to Palestine and how all the funds released by the US government are going to weapons. And how their people CANNOT distinguish between terrorists and resistance fighters. To them, the two are one and the same.

supercargo,
another great link.

Islam. Insulted Islam. Rages. Insulted rages. Enraged Moslems. Insulted enraged Moslems, or enraged insulted Moslems, however you want to play it.

The only thing that distinguishes Islam, and Moslems, from the rest of human history is that it is, and they are, so beneath contempt, so low, so awful, that they stand outside the framework of normal human discourse, and impose such abnormal demands with their misshapen skulls that we too are are by implication required to fulfill the perverted abnormal freak shapes that apply.

Islam has distinguished itself as a perversion with a baby arm protuding from the middle of the back; genatalia hanging from chins.

Yea, I proclaimeth here that Islam is a distinguished religion. Islame is one of the world's great religions. Islam is perversion and Moslems are perverts, and other than that, everything's gonna be ok everything's gonna be alright.

Accept Islam.

Whiner's, crier's, poor little picked on muslim's...
Blindly thrashing about, blaming other's for their own failing's.
And Naseem dear:
Allah should have left the number of daily prayer's at 50. Reducing them to five, was a mistake, showing that Allah is not perfect, and not God. If Mohammad can talk Allah out of a commandment, it mean's that Mohammad is god/Allah, and all those Mohammad worshiper's are doing it right. Mohammad worship is idol worship. Islam is a cult and Mohammad is the dis-embodied leader. A supernatural zombie, possessing the mind's heart's, and soul's of zombied out submitter's. Still crazy after all these year's...

The 'Islamic threat' to the world, particularly the western part of it, is a myth. As a short term close up view, it might look threatening, but this is panic thinking. Yes, there will probably be more terror bombings and maybe another Spectacular like the Twin Towers - but it is Islam itself that is in turmoil as it tries to adapt to an alien environment, but people don't see that, because they are focusing too close.

The western 'virus' of free ideas, liberalism and consumerism has already fatally infected the Muslim world (particularly the Arab part), and there's no antidote. The present turmoil is partly the Islamic immune system's violent reaction to that virus.

Goob,
It may not be the preferred method but wouldn't a nuclear attack on even one American city have the desired effect?

The economy would go into a tailspin and the world economy would be tied up in knots for at least a short time. If it's New York then the UN is destroyed as well and all countries would have to send new representatives to the UN's backup site in Geneva. If Washington is wiped out then so, most likely, are the surrounding counties in Maryland and Virginia, killing most or all members of Congress and their families. They don't need a dozen nuclear weapons to accomplish their aim. Two or three will do nicely.

They can't use them all at once or else there would be nothing with which to threaten Paris or London. A few strategically-sited bombs will be more than enough. The rest of the world would see the penalties of rejecting Islam and would quickly fall into line. Europe can't even stand up for itself. It certainly won't stand up for the US.

Why are we in the West so lacking in confidence?

Our civilization is so superior to the backward, primitive Islamic world that it's mind-boggling.

Have we actually convinced ourselves that the Islamic moral code is so much like our own that the two can co-exist peacefully in the same society? If so, then we must be prepared to accept barbarism as natural and normal in our civilization.

If we had the confidence to defend our own way of life and Judeo/Christian moral values, We wouldn't accept Islamic morality in our midst any more than we would accept the Mafia code of morality.

It's amazing how confident Muslims are in defending a morality that can only be described as evil, and we, who have a far superior moral code, don't have the confidence to defend it.

The present turmoil is partly the Islamic immune system's violent reaction to that virus.

Posted by: Fennec

And there's no reason that the rest of the world should be the object of the Islamic immune system's violent reaction. In order to kill THIS virus, you have to kill the host or else put it in isolation and let it fight the battle.

If the host completely kills the virus and survives, we'll open the isolation doors.

"It's amazing how confident Muslims are in defending a morality that can only be described as evil, and we, who have a far superior moral code, don't have the confidence to defend it."

Rational,

We have been defending our moral code against Communism and socialism and moral relativism and it has been weakened. Islam is an opportunistic infection. Similar to an AIDS patient battling kaposi's sarcoma, we no longer have sufficient antibodies to fight the infection that would once have been defeated almost automatically.

fennec wrote:
"The western 'virus' of free ideas, liberalism and consumerism has already fatally infected the Muslim world"

I really wish that were true, that Islam is "fatally" infected, but alas, it is obviously not. Under the current situation, Islam is certainly "fatal" to the infidel. We see instances of that every day. We are not obliged however, to sit idly by whilst Islam experiences it's death throes, as you would have it, fennec.

I and others are buying none of that nonsense.

Naseem, let me educate you on what really happened in the establishment of the five daily prayers.

In a cave halucinating one day, he saw Moses and Jesus. They told him that since he was overdosing so bad he was about to see bright lights and the lord almighty was about to visit him to see if he really wanted to end it right here, right now.

The almighty told mo that if he wanted to live and eventually reach eternal salvation, he and his bandits would have to pray 50 times a day since he and his followers were at the time the most evil humans to ever walk the planet. Like all cowards mo agreed to save his sorry ass.

When mo awoke from his drug induced coma, he went to his follwers and told them the bad news.
Upon seeing the the instantly furious faces upon his comrades he apologized and said he meant to say 25 times a day.

Once again his gang of bandits went ballistic..."it's too much Bro... we're out of here if that's what we have to do"

And so Mo said he'd see what he could do. He went back into his cave and thought about it. "I'm out of business if I don't please my slaves. WTF, it was only a hallucination anyway." Since he and his cohorts were already praying 6 times a day, reducing it by one would clearing win hearts and minds forever. And that is how the five times a day praying came into being.

Everything about islam is unsavory.

This is how they should have been treated.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSC_kFRavFM&mode=related&search=

PMK -- No doubt they'll settle for less, if they have to. One nuke would be pretty devastating for sure, but they've displayed that penchant for embellishing the message with the smug superiority of multiple attacks. And they learned from the failure of the rest of the attacks planned for 9/11 that we react quicker than they thought -- the civilian militia aboard Flight 93 adjusted admirably to a disorienting new reality, to understate it by quite a bit. They'll make sure that doesn't happen again.

The nukes probably won't be delivered by air. More likely they'll be smuggled in over land borders and my thought is "all those shipping containers on all those railroad cars." Very complicated, yes, but worth the trouble from their point of view.

The nukes may not even exist yet. Pakistan has some, and Musharraf's hold on the country seems ineffective and fragile -- he's either playing a double game with us, letting bin Laden hide in those northwestern 'lawless areas,' or he's sincerely on our side, in which case he's going against his people and won't last much longer. Iran will get theirs cranked out soon if they haven't already. They've been rattling their sabers in Israel's direction, but don't forget who's the Great Satan and who's the Little one.

Our only hope is to toughen up and place as many obstacles in the way as we can -- a dismal prospect with the Left helpfully handcuffing us at every turn. To delay it until the Islamic world gets either some sanity or a new enemy.

Right now, I'm still torn between two views of Islam: One that I recently got from the dreaded Dinesh D'Souza's new book, where he theorizes that Islam would have no problem with the West if we weren't flooding their societies with the Left's 'new morality' (gay marriage, blasphemy, atheism, abortion, attacks on the patriarchal family structure, pornography, alcohol, sex in advertising, etc etc); and the second, probably more prevalent view of Islam in which Islam itself contains the imperatives to rule the whole world and the above is just an excuse, a rationalization of the program.

Now that I've typed all of that and thought about it, I wonder, what differences does it make anyway. We're not going to roll back the Left's 'improvements' to western society in order to appease these Islamists.

Stunning and bewildering, to be considering such a fate, in the 21st Century, after we thought we had banned the influence of Sagan's 'demon-haunted world' -- that we have incurred the wrath of wild-eyed creatures who swore a blood oath to destroy us.

Re: U.K. Muslim Labour peer on Rushdie Rage: "What would one say if the Saudi or Afghan governments honoured the martyrs of the September 11 attacks on the United States?"

This comparison is absurd. For some reason many Muslims seem immune from the laws of logic, engage in fallacies of reasoning, and that may be rooted in their belief-system.

The free and open expression of ideas and opinions is the essence of free speech. Freedom of speech is about the expression of concepts by word or by the use of symbols that represent ideas (placards, flags, bumper stickers, cartoons, etc.). Free speech is not about threats of violence, and free speech is never violent.

Free speech is about ideas and critical thinking, comparisons, pointing out contradictions, humor (pointing out absurd contradictions), or pointing out invalid comparisons, etc. To compare Rushdie's book, which is critical of Muhammad, with the killing of 3000 people, is abusurd.

What many Muslims want is silence and no critical thinking re Islam. They fear critical thinking re Islam and are desperate to gag anyone who is critical of Islam.

Hi PMK - I also e-mailed the Kuwait writer of that outrageous piece. My response is composed of 11 points, all in answer to each outlandish statement he made or question he asked about the West. Wish I could show you. I'm proud of my response. Great you thought it was a "delight" to write! Uh huh, me too. Think he will reply to us? Actually, I would love to see my response published in that Kuwait newspaper! How 'bout you?

Why can nothing roll off Muslims' backs? Are you STILL that insecure in your beliefs?

Posted by: PMK

Yes, they are that insecure. The whole business of islam is a house of cards -- remove one, and the whole works comes down. Rushdie, in the Satanic Verses, suggests that on at least one occasion, the angel speaking to Mo spoke the words of Satan, and not those of God, and that Mo didn't know the difference until the angel alter pointed it out. But since Mo couldn't tell which words were from God, and which not, how did he know that the angel revealing the mistake was not really the angel of Satan? Mo himself couldn't tell the difference, so how can any of his followers? To suggest that any part of the koran was ever not the word of God is to suggest that maybe other parts are not either.

It's not Rushdie they really want to kill

I think it should be realized that this genuine outrage of Muslims to Rushdie’s knighthood is due to their deeply felt but barely subconscious insecurity about the credibility of their “prophet” and their “religion”, which has way too many indications of a 7th century fabrication designed to support conquest and the acquisition of unquestioned power, plunder & sex slaves. Rushdie in his “Satanic Verses” directly wrote of a particularly glaring phoniness on the part of their “prophet” that Muslims cannot bare to think about. Their psyches completely rebel against any sort of genuine reflection on what Rushdie described. It’s not really Rushdie they want to kill (although they would) but their own tendencies to reflect on their faith, the truth about which is too awful to face. Thus the vigor of their outrage.

This phenomenon of a true believer’s automatic mind-shutdown on the contradicting obvious has been well noted about the ideological true believer, esp. of soviet communism. This was frighteningly described, for instance, by ex true believer Arthur Koestler & others in the remarkable book “The God That Failed”). But soviet communism was held together by the murderous secret police. Islam is also held together by fear (apostates are to be killed, rebellious women are to be beaten) but mostly by this peculiar mind shutdown.

Exactly, Frank, which is why we must SPEAK OUT and NEVER WAVER.

I would suggest Muslims pick up books on logic and put down the Qu'ran for awhile. I think the Qu'ran warps the ability to use logic, critical analysis, and is lethal to the creative mind. Anyone with just average intelligence can become a much sharper thinker with knowing the rules of logical thinking. Put down the Qu'ran and pick up books on logic. That may be dangerous in Muslim countries, but the reason for that danger is the reason for my advice.

Exactly, Frank, which is why we must SPEAK OUT and NEVER WAVER.

You bet, Darcy.

Remove his lordship from the House of Lords. What was it granted for? The banal fact that he is banally rich? Services to curry?

What was it granted for? . . . Services to curry?
No Hugh, fish and chips.

I have to ask the members of the UK here -- how do you feel knowing that despite all the appeasement of Islam by your government, the rolling over backwards to get along, etc., you're still getting slammed by Islamists over absolute nonsense and undoubtedly more violence will be headed your way as a result. Surely this angers/perplexes/irritates?

When the Muslim terrorists have guns and bombs and all you average UK citizens have are brooms and shovels and perhaps some kitchen knives to defend your homes with, will this allow you to sleep well at night?

Just wondering.

what the Queen did, by knighting rushdie, is the greatest move which any briton has made in a long time. the british monarchy, the british establishment has shown their hand. this is how they truly think of these people, they hold them in contempt, as do the majority of british. when muslims try and strike the monarchy, then it will be game over.

so let them have their 5 minutes of fame, to me this is good, this is showing the british how we have allowed into the UK an anti british peoples. the more they shout us down and demand british blood then good, we will vote them away at the next elections. simple as that, tick yes for the BNP and this silly little mistake will be gone, in a week.

Yaa, what is it called when you insult intelligents? I cannot compare 9-11 to anything, than what it is! An awful destined place!
He is out of his mind to even say; he is #17 on list that should go to Gitmo for rehab! Posted on
http://schmaltz.typepad.com/blog/2007/06ka-boom-lets-ce.html

didn't seem to connect. oh well, um it was just a post! Good site! Every now and then there are trolls!
Like Bali you cannot compare it to anything! It all is a hell of it's own! Create by an evil thought of One person!

Rational: Why are we in the West so lacking in confidence?

The answer is quite simple. What is the most important entity in the modern western world? Money. Who has spare money? The oil producing Islamic countries. We are simply selling us out.

There is an easy answer but it is all the bureaucracy that delays the final result. Justice.
If in time.

naseem, I like this one better:

"Our Father, who art in Heaven,
Hallowed by thy name...
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day, our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil,
for thine is the kingdom and the power and
the glory forever and ever."

That is how Jesus taught us to pray. It has worked well for 2000 years.

Lord Ahmad's belief that conferring a knighthood on Salman Rushdie, a writer who included in one book some passages mocking Muhammad, is equivalent to a Muslim government deciding to honor mass-murdering Muslims, is telling.

The correct analogous honoring should be obvious, even to the lord honored for services to fish-and-chips. It would be similar to the government Pakistan or any other Muslim state -- given that there is no knighthood to confer --issuing a postage stamp with a picture of some anti-Christian polemicist, downmarket Madeleine Murray O'Hare, or midbrow Christopher Hitchens, or the upper-class -- and certainly the only one to take seriously -- Bertrand Russell, depicted holding up a copy of "Why I Am Not a Christian."

I just spent a night in a cave and God spoke to me. He said mohammad just made it all up so he could rape women. There you have it Muslims, you can now hang up your AK-47's, its all over... there is no Allah.

Martyrs? You mean Murderers!

Those Muslims -- always lying and twisting things around.

Foehammer said

I have to ask the members of the UK here -- how do you feel knowing that despite all the appeasement of Islam by your government, the rolling over backwards to get along, etc., you're still getting slammed by Islamists over absolute nonsense and undoubtedly more violence will be headed your way as a result. Surely this angers/perplexes/irritates?

I think you have got it about right, it angers us, it irritates but I don't think that it perplexes us, most us know what these anal orifices game plan is. It will plod along for the next few years until the provocation will get too much and a backlash will occur and none of the oily words from the MSM or the politicians will make one bit of difference. The mood of the country will change, the way it changed from appeasement in 1938 to defiance in 1940. Tension will rise to such a point that it will only take a small incident similar to the one that triggered World War 1 to catapult the country into a civil war. In the mean time more and more people will have been secretly been preparing. Whether the Aboriginals the indigenous Anglo Saxon population are successful. Will depend, on several things whether the economy will still be dependent on Middle East Oil. How loyal the army is, if the army is used to put down an Anglo Saxon backlash we would not only have a civil war we would have anarchy. The army while small is still basically recruited from the British working class, we have still only about 700 muslims in the British armed forces. If I was a prime minister I would be loathed to order it to shoot there own people. If he did the Government of the day would lose all credibility with the population, chaos would result. In the mean time may I suggest you check out this web site. I hope all my British compatriots do the same. I my self am not advocating that you pay 12 pounds and download the PDF booklet which tells you how to build a sub machine gun from easily obtained articles from the local hardware store. The site by the way is run by a Yorkshire man who has by the way already spent time in prison for his beliefs.

http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/index.shtml

I don't think you have to worry too much about how the locals will react when shove turns into push. I would also like to mention an old friend of mine I was talking too on the telephone a couple of weeks ago. We were speculating about the future. He said to me it wont really make any difference if it starts now or when I am 80. When I am 80 I will be able to steady my gun on my walking frame.

At least we now know which side of the fence Lord Ahmed is on.

At least we now know which side of the fence Lord Ahmed is on.

A little bit of Rushdie lives in all of us. We all suffer his pain.

supercargo at June 23, 2007 7:10 AM - an absolutely befitting reply to 'Neseem'.

Good work Super!

foehammer

because the british people are not out on the streets protesting etc doesnt mean that we are passive adn not willing to fight back. we will answer in the next general elections and protest there. the queen has already made her statement adn the people's will has been answered.

at this particular time we have cops rounding up militant islamists, the left wing press is now openly criticising the muslims, british troops are fighting muslims in the middle east and now this statement from the queen. so we don't need to be out on the streets, adn i would not recommend this action as it would be unfavourable to our cause. let these muslims shout the loudest, let them be shown for the trouble makers that they are. give it time, we are a quiet people but when we are given the green light to start mass deportations then we will assist our country. chill out people, the muslims protesting is a good thing.

PSA:

Tonight at 9pm (to 10:30) on FOX NEWS is a program titled "Banned By PBS; Muslims Against Jihad."

This is NOT the same film as "Islam vs. The Islamists" which FOX also plans to show eventually. I don't know anything about this one except that it is by the same outfit (represented by Frank Gaffney last night) that produced Islam vs. the Islamists.

It promises to be of interest to JW readers (and hopefully well beyond).

supercargo,

Your response to the troll was brilliant and spot on. Hope he/she/it doesn't somehow construe it to be an insult to the "prophet" which, of course, none of us would ever dream of doing.

Foehammer,

To paraphrase your superior posting,

“I have to ask the members of the US here -- how do you feel knowing that despite all the appeasement of Islam by your government, the rolling over backwards to get along, etc., you're still getting slammed by Islamists over absolute nonsense and undoubtedly more violence will be headed your way as a result. Surely this angers/perplexes/irritates?
When the Muslim terrorists have chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and all you average US citizens have are guns to defend your homes with, will this allow you to sleep well at night?
Just wondering.”

Assalamau Laikum all,

Just a couple of points to clear....

1) to those who think that I am Aiesha of LGF ...Well I say to them ..."Aise baat nahin haan ....Main LGF kabhi nahin jannah ki tamana rakhi".

As to that garbage that lund supercargo wrote....Muhd PBUH may have made love to those womens he won in booty ...but look at the alternative.

Her tribe(s) tried to kill Muhd SAW ..but they lost...now he could have left the womens to dehydrate with a headache in the desert...instead he chose to look after them, feed them...marry them and THEN copulated.

Copulation after marriage in any civilisation... even one as corroupt as the West is seen as acceptable behaviour.

This is the Islamic interpetration... you see things differently.... but that's your problem.

Mostly the womens who he chose accepted him as hubby except the jewish bitch who poisioned him...Aisha would probably have been too young to know better...I'll accept that.

Naseem

Hi! How are the goats?

I'm still amazed that Muslim call Mohadded a prophet when there is no prophecy in the Qur'an. Too bad he didn't marry the "Jewish bitch" sooner, she did the world a great service. But then Allah must have wanted Mohammed dead or she wouldn't have succeeded, right?
Seems to have taken Naseem a while to catch on to that trick and get rid of her spouse. Or maybe he drank the poison willingly to get away from her?

I've read Pakiland is on the verge of expanding their plutonium plant. I wonder where do the cesspoolstanians getting the money from if not Iran and Saudies?

If a Muslim ever smuggles a suitcase bomb, the origin of it is most likely to be in cesspoolStan.

Naseem, if any of your brothers succeed in detonating a plutonium device on our shores, we will make sure you and the rest of your Brethren will be orbiting in the Exosphere.

JFGR,
You ask:
When the Muslim terrorists have chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and all you average US citizens have are guns to defend your homes with, will this allow you to sleep well at night? Just wondering.”

We'll go about our business. It's all we can do. We'll go to sleep at night secure in the knowledge that we tried to warn you (collectively)and you weren't interested in doing anything about it. We did what we could. It's in God's hands now.

Naseem wrote:

..."Aise baat nahin haan ....Main LGF kabhi nahin jannah ki tamana rakhi".

Is that "screw you" in Urdu?

Darcy,
My reply focused mainly on their insecurity: Mohammad is their prophet, not ours. Why is it up to us to honor him? Another question was: if the West is so terrible then why do Muslims come here? Why do you associate yourselves with "descendants of apes and pigs"?
It never even occurred to me that the reply would be in the paper, since it ran a little long.
PMK

Peerages are antiquated and cheapened, anyway, by the likes of Mick Jagger. Besides, Rushdie writes for the graduate lit seminar discussion, not for the true lovers of fiction, most of whom read for the plot as well as the story (Peter Brooks' scorn notwithstanding) and for memorable characters. You can find Rushdie on scores of university syllabi, alongside Toni Morrison's Beloved and Martin Amis' Time's Arrow, who thought reversing plot chronology was a big cultural feat--and in doing that cheapened and relativised the Holocaust.
Rushdie found a way to mimic European post modern and South American "magical realism" tropes, and applied them to Middle Eastern/South Asian subject matter. The result is indigestible, vanity-ridden ("I'm so smart"), elitist prose.

Having said all that, we should stand by those who gave Rushdie the honor--whatever their motive was--and not give in to Islam's threats .

As to that garbage that lund supercargo wrote....Muhd PBUH may have made love to those womens he won in booty ...but look at the alternative.

Posted by: Naseem
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Of Course Naseem. as we all know that with your Barbarous cult there is only one other alternative...Death ! That's what you simply embarrass yourself by pointing out. see the error yet? i won't hold my breath. HA

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Copulation after marriage in any civilisation... even one as corroupt as the West is seen as acceptable behaviour.

Posted by: Naseem
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Regardless of HOW that marriage was arranged too , right? See Banditry or debt payment as a couple of ways.
Keep going Naseem we are starting to understand you.

No wonder your cult just cannot seem to grasp the concept of Freedom or free will.

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This is the Islamic interpetration... you see things differently.... but that's your problem.

Posted by: Naseem

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That is THE PROBLEM isn't it Naseem . the Muslim perspective and all it's perverse depravity. unfortunately your problem is steadily becoming OUR problem and given enough time OUR problem will be to dispose of YOUR problem. making sense yet?

Don't worry , it will.

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Mostly the womens who he chose accepted him as hubby except the jewish bitch who poisioned him...Aisha would probably have been too young to know better...I'll accept that.

Posted by: Naseem

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You are starting to show your true colors Naseem.
funny it took a Jewish "Bitch" to stand up to a Savage like that hey?

the fact you endorse raping or molesting 9 year old girls is hilarious Naseem!

Please share more of the beauty of your foul Religions tenents with us.

Here i'll share a few from that Uber popular PIG Khomeini , the guy who lit the fire under the asses of you Islamic Robots years ago and set you people on a course for destruction.A guy who did just as MO taught . wanna defend him too? give it a try.

Khomeini:["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, BUT SODOMIZING THE CHILD IS PERMISSABLE.
If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister... It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house, rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."

Khomeini: ["Tahrirolvasyleh"]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable.

YUMMY!

You are a slave Naseem. deep down you know it.

I am sick of seeing Lord Ahmed, an over-fed Pakistani chip-shop owner and supposed "moderate" Muslim, criticising our country again and again.

He accuses Tony Blair of hypocrisy. Yet in Feb 2005, this supposed "moderate" hosted a book launch in the House of Lords for Israel Shamir. “Israel Shamir” is, in fact, a Swedish-domiciled anti-Semite also known as Jöran Jermas (see link below).

At the launch, Jermas gave a speech titled “Jews and the Empire”. It included observations such as:

“All the [political] parties are Zionist-infiltrated.”.... Jews indeed own, control and edit a big share of mass media, this mainstay of Imperial thinking.” “In the Middle East we have just one reason for wars, terror and trouble — and that is Jewish supremacy drive . . .

"in Iraq, the US and its British dependency continue the same old fight for ensuring Jewish supremacy in the Middle East.”

“Now, there is a large and thriving Muslim community in England . . . they are now on the side of freedom, against the Empire, and they are not afraid of enforcers of Judaic values, Jewish or Gentile. This community is very important in order to turn the tide.”

Lord Ahmed has never apologised for inviting a man with such odious anti-Semitic views to the House of Lords, nor explained why he did so.

This, his petition demanding sharia law, and now his description of the 9/11 mass murderers as "martyrs", make this so-called "moderate" Muslim unfit to hold office.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article378140.ece

Supercargo
Your description of Mo was excellent but you omitted 1 descriptor..important to the reason for his visions...EPILEPTIC! Just as certain as Capone's syphylis..Mo was epileptic. The "perfect man" he was not.

Naseem

I don't know why we bother but here goes anyway.

You, as an Amahdi, should know better. What if you and your fellow Amahdi's were asleep, like many of the people Mohammad attacked, and were attacked by your shia or sunni islamists who want you dead? Your people would fight back to save themselves, surely. And if your people lost? And you were married off to one of those who slaughtered your people? Would you like that? Do you think those women felt "married" or raped? What if they had killed your husband? Since your husband is dead why haven't you been forced to remarry? Don't you think those women would have escaped to live somewhere else? Even Mohammad's wife Khadija managed to live on her own before she married.

No, Mohammad wasn't doing those women any favors. He was doing for himself, not for them. Even one of the women was picked by someone else and when he saw her he decided he needed her for himself and took her from his soldier.

Even Mohammad complained that only Aisha would "play" with him. Sexually. I'm sure they laid like cold bricks while he reached his climax. How else could they complain? Their words weren't recorded. Their hatred for him would have been their deaths and they knew it. His favorite, Aisha, was the one who had no husband to kill.

So, how would you react if some guy showed up at your door and said he is your new husband so get in position with legs spread? And he will take over everything you own and in return he will feed you and screw you when it suits him. He married you in a ceremony somewhere without your knowledge or permission. After all he's doing you a favor since you are alone.

Or has it been a while so you would be happy?

“We'll go to sleep at night secure in the knowledge that we tried to warn you (collectively)and you weren't interested in doing anything about it. We did what we could.”

Well, it’s very generous of you to warn us poor benighted souls. But why on earth do you think we’re uninterested in doing anything about it? Do you not realize how patronising, and indeed hypocritical (given the widespread dhimmitude in the US chronicled on this site), this is to JW posters?

Holger Dansker writes:
"He said to me it wont really make any difference if it starts now or when I am 80. When I am 80 I will be able to steady my gun on my walking frame."

Damn it man, I like the way your friend thinks!

JFGR writes:
"I have to ask the members of the US here..."

I'm pissed of bro, and I don't like the superior
sounding sentiments of some of my countrymen,
either. When you guys are ready to deport your
mohammadans, I won't be one of those jackasses
condemning you. If we haven't done it by then, I'll be holding you guys up as an example of
British excellence, if we're first, I'll be
politely encouraging my British colleagues to
learn from our example.

In either case, I am a supporter of my nations right to bear arms. So, the mohammadans won't be
the only ones here doing so, if push comes to shove.

Ghengiz Khan said that there were no greater pleasures than riding the horse and sleeping with the wife of a dead enemy. I wonder if Mo went in for riding these people's horses as well.

I'm glad to read that the fight isn't completely out of the UK. I know it's hardly out of Australia. It isn't comatose in Canada.

It's definitely not out of the USA.

So, don't worry -- the Reckoning is coming for Islam.

Islam has pushed too hard already: Iran helps murder Allied troops in Iraq almost daily now. Brazen, ruthless and overconfident.

Syria, Iran and Saudi Arabia are having open press meetings together and forming secret pacts behind closed doors.

The borders of Arabia are starting to wash away to reveal a scandalous Ummah that believes it will be able to extort the "cowardly" unbelievers with nuclear threats, re-establish the Caliphate and then turn it Global. Our enemies are convinced that we will grovel more and more often and watch our own demise evolve like good little dhimmis.

Push a little harder, Islamists. Knock the stopper completely out of the genie bottle. Just make sure you've got your plastic keys around your necks; we don't want you to be unprepared for the inevitable journey when the West looks around with wide-awake eyes, finally, perceives the danger, adds up the numbers and understands that violent retribution is the only means by which we may preserve our way of life, our freedoms and our families.

Such will be the price of Islamic terrorism.

JFGR,
Cut the patronizing, okay?

You asked the question, I didn't.

Go talk to the people around the world who think the US is the number one threat to world peace.
We can't waste our time worrying about them and we certainly won't lose sleep worrying about people who think Americans are "uncouth" or uncivilized or warlike or what have you.
Go defend yourself, for a change.

When the Muslim terrorists have chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and all you average US citizens have are guns to defend your homes with, will this allow you to sleep well at night? Just wondering.”

Well, here's your answer.

We'll be remembering our dear sweet allies in the EU who refused to deal with Iran, who refused to build up their own militaries, who stabbed the US and the UK in the back during the 1990s with the oil for food program. We'll remember you and we'll take care of ourselves. You do the same.

What would one say if the Saudi or Afghan governments honoured the martyrs [a.k.a. mass murderers] of the September 11 attacks on the United States?

You mean they didn't? They didn't hand out candy, and ululate and dance in the streets? They didn't name streets, parks, or mosques after the hijackers? They didn't make speeches in the mosques praising these "strivers for Allah"? Honestly, it would surprise me if they didn't.

“JFGR, Cut the patronizing, okay? You asked the question, I didn't.”

PMK,

You’ve missed the fact that the question was not first asked by me – I was paraphrasing the following, and just changing a few words, precisely to bring out how patronising the original post sounded:

“I have to ask the members of the UK here -- how do you feel knowing that despite all the appeasement of Islam by your government, the rolling over backwards to get along, etc., you're still getting slammed by Islamists over absolute nonsense and undoubtedly more violence will be headed your way as a result. Surely this angers/perplexes/irritates?
When the Muslim terrorists have guns and bombs and all you average UK citizens have are brooms and shovels and perhaps some kitchen knives to defend your homes with, will this allow you to sleep well at night?
Just wondering.”

Incidentally, you seem to think I’m an advocate of the European “Union”. I’m not, I’m an English patriot.

JFGR
"When the Muslim terrorists have chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and all you average US citizens have are guns to defend your homes with, will this allow you to sleep well at night? Just wondering.”
And what,pray tell,what do you have under your bed? Do you have some homemade nukes or chemical weapons? Did you construct a cannon or grow some Botulinum and weaponize it? I get the impression you're in one of those countries that looks down its collective nose at those who bear arms. I seem to remember private citiaens of the U.S. sending their privately owned firearms to the U.K. during WW2, so that the homeguard would have something to guard with. (They were, for the most part destroyed afterward rather than returned as was agreed.) Gas? Biologicals? We ahve access to excellent gas masks and protective suits here through the mail from our many evil gunshops. I have a number of each. Do you have one?
I can reach out over a mile and give someone a bad case of lead poisoning. I have...a more than adequate supply of ammunition,dehydrated food,gasoline,water and other items often associated with crazy people with guns. My original aim was to survive any breakdown in society if and when we have another 9.3 quake, but now...I added the gas masks.
A National Guard outfit is just down the road from me. They have helicopter gunships,tanks,artillery, all that good stuff. Who's manning this equipment? My neighbors,the people I fish with,the people who live here. Don't kid yourself into thinking we have only our firearms to defend us.
I too will sleep soundly,secure in the knowledge that I'm gonna be damned hard to sneak up on,that my friends and neighbors are ready to defend me and mine as I am them and theirs. Those in Europe should be sleeping lightly. You have allowed yourselves to be surrounded by those who seek to remove your head. They run some of your schools and are elected to office so that they can honor the "martyrs" of 9/11. And,you have given up any hope of defending yourselves from them when you gave up your right to bear arms..(Ewww...such an ugly phrase to some I'm sure.) I understand that guncrime has gone up steadily since firearms were prohibited in the U.K. Which tells me that the Jihadis will have no trouble aquiring them. They are hardly law-abiding citizens eh?
Great post by supercargo....except for the little shot at President Bush. Denigrating the President is not productive and our enemies take great delight in the words of those who do so.
Although it would be ideal,no man can know all things. I am,I think at least,no idiot, and I only recently figured out how dangerous Islam is. (I used to think it was a religion.) He is not the Chimp in Chief the leftist press here in America would lead you to believe he is. And he is certainly no criminal. His ignorance regarding Islam is criminal in that he is ignorant of the threat. Or at least he appears to be. Hopefully his awakening to the severity of the threat will not be to the sound of a Nuclear detonation here in the U.S. or elsewhere in the world.
We are probably all,in the West,walking a fine line. We need oil from the very people that want us dead. But giving up ones country to those who would behead us is not the answer. I don't know THE answer. We all know of some...better mileage conveyances,etc. But I'm afraid we will not be given a choice on how this will end. And it will, most certainly, end badly for the Muslim world.

Hi PMK - Yes, that was one of my 11 points, too. #2 I believe. "So, you Muslims have intense anger and hatred toward the UK now? Fine, then put your money where your mouth is and Get Out of England. Please, leave. We'll be ever so grateful!"

You like?

Alaskan,

“I get the impression you're in one of those countries that looks down its collective nose at those who bear arms.”

Countries don’t have noses to look down – only individuals do (a point I’ve stressed probably ad nauseam on this site before). There are arguments both for and against allowing private individuals to carry guns, but it didn't help those in the Twin Towers. It only helps the individual if society has
already broken down.

JFGR My apologies...You are quite correct. However there does seem to be an overwhelming number of people in the U.K. at least,that consider those in the U.S. to be somehow barbaric in our desire to defend ourselves and our loved ones from those that would do us harm. (Not of course just terrorists.) Am I wrong or is that the general consensus? That is the collective nose of which I speak. Just as there are owverwhelming numbers of peopole in some Islamic countries who do the same because of their supposed religious or spiritual superiority over others religions.

JFGR Your comment regarding firearm ownership not helping those at the Twin Towers on 9/11... It required no firearms for those on flight 93 to stop the terrorists on that plane from completing their mission. Once their intentions were known,the people on that flight fought back and prevented another attack. That is not just because they were, for the most part,Americans. Anyone on a plane in a similar situation would,I'd like to think,have reacted the same way.
As for arguments for and against allowing law abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons for their own defense...in all the states here in the U.S. where concealed carry laws were enacted,crime has gone down. THAT is the bottom line. People are in fact,not theory,safer in those states,than in those where it is not legal. One only need look at the tremendous increase in gun related crimes in the U.K. since private ownership was criminalized to come to a realistic conclusion on the benefits of having the ability to defend ones self and family from the real criminals.