An update on this story. "Special units to crack down on honour killing," by Karen McVeigh for The Guardian:
Dedicated teams of senior prosecutors are to be deployed in the UK's honour killing hotspots in the wake of the failings exposed this week by the case of a young Kurdish woman murdered by her family.
The prosecutors, who have all had experience of complex organised crime cases, will start work this month as part of an overhaul of how cases are handled. The move is designed to boost conviction rates and improve protection for victims.
The Crown Prosecution Service has revealed the changes after the justice system was criticised for doing too little to protect vulnerable women. Senior police officers told the Guardian that there are systemic failures in how cases are handled - measures proposed years ago have been shelved, delayed or ignored, they warn.
Chief constables and the Home Office are also working together with other agencies to ensure that women in danger are identified early and dealt with properly to improve protection for victims. Plans to be published soon by the Association of Chief Police Officers will tell forces to follow new risk assessment models to ensure women are taken seriously if they complain of family violence.
The changes come after Banaz Mahmod, a 20-year-old Kurd, was murdered by her father and uncle because they disapproved of her boyfriend who was not a strict Muslim and was not of their tribe.
She was found dumped in a suitcase, with the shoelace used to kill her around her neck. She had repeatedly told police her family were trying to kill her. In one instance where she had escaped from her father, she was not taken seriously, and described as melodramatic and manipulative by an officer who interviewed her.
A police inquiry is under way.
The CPS will this month pilot its new approach in four "hotspot" areas. A team of 20 prosecutors are to be based in London, the West Midlands, West Yorkshire and Lancashire. Each one will be trained by a number of different agencies including the police, the government's forced marriage unit and the independent victims group, the Southall Black Sisters.
The complex investigation and three-month trial for Ms Mahmod's murder relied on initiatives more often used to tackle organised crime, such as the use of covert investigative techniques and special measures for key witnesses, two of whom needed police protection. Such techniques are increasingly used to deal with honour crimes.
The CPS will also introduce a "flag" for any forced marriage or honour crime cases, so they can be logged and monitored.
Nazir Afzal, the CPS lead on honour-based violence, said that such crimes are often elaborate, pre-planned and can involve many suspects.
One in nine honour killings in the UK is carried out by hit men, he said. It is also common for the youngest member of the family to carry out the murder, with the others playing a lesser role.
"Some families carrying out these types of crimes are very subtle in how they go about it," said Mr Afzal. He said the CPS was determined to prosecute every individual involved. Under the new Domestic Violence Crime and Victims Act, if a person fails to intervene to protect a family member they too can face justice.
Mr Afzal said that the CPS was committed to extraditing honour crime suspects who flee abroad and that it was seeking to extradite the two remaining suspects in Ms Mahmod's murder, believed to be in Iraqi Kurdistan. Ms Mahmod named the two, Omar Hussein and Mohammed Ali, as among those she believed were plotting to kill her in a letter she handed to the police the month before she was killed nearly 18 months ago.
However, the service is facing legal obstacles. The new 2005 Iraqi constitution does not allow subjects to be extradited.
You know things have gone too far when Western countries require "Honor Killing" units.
Just send them back to the pit they crawled out of.
Perhaps England needs to take a page out of it's own history book. Under King Henry VIII and his daughter, Queen Elizabeth, rable-rousers who disturbed the peace in a BIG WAY (like treason against the sovereign's person or trying to overthrow the government) were given something to think about in the form of ghastly sentences, like being tortured on the rack or being drawn and quartered, disemboweled and having their entrails burned while they were still alive. This form of punishment was apparently very effective in deterring this sort of behavior because the average Joe didn't want to go through that. Perhaps since Muslims believe themselves to be above the law, preach in their mosques NOT to follow the laws of the land in which they live and do everything in their power to subvert said laws, it may be time to reinstate these ancient forms of capital punishment.
After all, isn't that what Muslim fathers, uncles and brothers do when they send Muslim thugs out to murder their own daughters and nieces when those girls don't marry the person their fathers choose for them? The message is, you will follow my will or I will destroy you. Well, to keep peace in a country we can't have a bunch of rebels running around and killing innocent citizens who are just trying to live like we do. Our message must be the same. If you don't do the will of the people, i.e., NOT go around killing the girls who live here then you will be dealt with accordingly.
Unfotunately for them, I'm sure the sweet girl who was murdered and buried in a suitcase died a braver death than her whining, girly men father and uncle would if they got what they deserved.
I agree with paradox. Do a cost benefit analysis of what costs more - allowing these Mohammedan immigrants to remain, and the cost of maintaining these HK units continuously for years, or just deporting all Mohammedans once and for all, incur a one time expense of deportation, and be done with it.
For good! In all senses of the word!
To Muslims the most drastic punishment is deportation from Infidel alands. This punishment, though quite benign sounding to us, stops the Jihadi from ready access to Infidel prey, and thus ready access to paradise.
Denmark is taking the right course by deporting the entire family in cases such as 'honour killings".
Infidel Pride
I agree with you. Enough is Enough. Enough of Islam - there is no place for this retrograde cult, or its followers, in the West.
If this menace is not stopped soon, then rest assured, we will see Bosnia or Lebanon type civil wars breaking out in the West.
We cannot manage Islam as it is not in our ambit, or for that matter, our desire to do so. For the good of humanity in general, we must say "Enough of Islam in the West".
more money, more manpower, more time and efforts wasted on these muslims. i hope they are learning that there are no such people as moderte seculer muslims, if they are than thye aren't muslims but apostates.
Bet the Brits are real happy they invited these multiculturalist experiments in 'tolerance' into their midst.
Guest workers, refugees, whatever.
Time for repatriations.
Back to Mecca with the lot.
Multiculturalism works so long as you don't have cultures involved that are hell bent on domination.
If multiculturalism means having a bunch of French, Ducth, Germans, Brits, even probably Croats, Greeks and folks from all over the world living together in harmony, that is fine, they are all loyal to their country, but in the meantime, are doing their own thing, that's fine, but when you have this other culture come along that scoffs at such namby-pamby flowers and trees society, that is where Multiculturalism meets its doom.
"One in nine honour killings in the UK is carried out by hit men, he said."
Now, when you have such statistics as one in nine, that there is such a high enough occurrence of these things happening that you can say, oh, slightly more than 10 percent of the honour killings in Britain are carried out by hitmen, then you know you are in Deep Shtick!!!
Great Britain ain't feeling so GREAT anymore.
profitsbeard
who exactly invented "multiculturalism"? was it the UK or the USA? my guess is the UK as within 60 years my country is now a toilet for which i am deeply ashamed of, not proud. i am now a US citizen yet within 6 years of living here this place is also becoming a dump, you will soon have in your ranks 13-20 million undocumented workers with free access to american citizenship. why???
i'm about to emigrate to a desert island with wife and kids.
ThinkForYourself
at least there is one sane brit left. even my family are stating that islam is misunderstood. really sad to get slated in a "hard" working-class pub for openly talking out against islam and british lads defending islam. really worrying times ahead. i fear the british army will put us down instead of the jihad. what a shame.
As I posted on this subject a couple of days ago, the honour killing unit was said to have been downgraded some time ago on grounds of political correctness and to avoid offending minorities.
To show just how “sensitive” these things are in the UK consider a case which has surfaced every few years in the MSM. Earlier this year it was reported that an assimilated Muslim girl and her English partner had finally had police protection withdrawn after - I think - seven years.
When her family found out about her relationship they locked her in the cellar of their home while they decided what to do. She managed to escape through a window, got to her boyfriend's house and urged him to run away with her at that night. She was very wise because within hours her brothers had arrived, smashed down the door of the house and introduced his widowed mother to “The man who was going to kill her son”. This man would be one of the Asian “investigators” who specialise in chasing such girls and they do not come cheap. In it was reported that her brother's sold their cars to pay for his services.
The couple went on the run for a few weeks staying in rural areas because she knew that if any Muslim saw her with an English boy their whereabouts would get back to her family on the Asian grapevine. Eventually they had to surface and go to the local Social Service Department for money and this meant they were very nearly caught by her family. Although there were no Muslims in the Social Services department where they were hiding, regulations required them to check details in their hometown and it is generally accepted that Asian staff there informed her family where she was within hours.
Until earlier this year their lives had been made hell and while I have not read the full details, her family resorted to a less violent methods of pursuit. They accused her partner of theft or some minor offence which not only required the British police to pursue them but allowed the family to keep track of their whereabouts as the case went through the legal system. But the police now think that after seven years they are safe and the relationship has just about survived.
Nevertheless we must ask what seven years police protection cost the British taxpayer and why the police did not simply pull in her family seven years ago and prosecute them. Smashing doors down and introducing widows to hit men who are going to kill their sons is generally considered illegal.
That they did not prosecute her family shows how things are in Britain. As a footnote, I often wonder if the Asian staff in the Social Security Department who tipped off her family seven years ago were fired.
I suppose that if they restart the honour killing squad it will be something but I would not expect too much. These matters are “sensitive” after all!
Leon asked
"who exactly invented "multiculturalism"? was it the UK or the USA?"
Perhaps neither. Try Canada. Prof. Will Kymlicka can take more blame/credit than most for giving the concept its academic respectabilty. Currently in Ontario, his vision of multiculti is dangerously stale, based on groups that had no real problems living together, and it is significant that he has been remarkably silent in recent years on Islam and Muslims.
I spoke with one of his co-authors several months ago who agreed that Kymlicka had not attempted to justify multiculturalism in the light of recent developments.
We will, I fear, see much more of this evasion, avoidance and denial by the people who got us into this mess. Edward Said, when faced with massive, devastating and well-documented criticism of his book "Orientalism" just chose to ignore most of it. He knew he was on a winner, given the sad state the universities and media had fallen into, and could afford to brazenly ignore it all.
Some scholar. Some university that continued employing him. And unless Kymlicka rises to the challenge posed by Islam, he may be little better than Said.
At last. Someone is 'getting' the parallel between the way Islam works and the way organised crime works; that when we try to deal with its victims and its crimes we are going to have to tackle it as if it were the Mafia or the Triads (might also be interesting to think about the way the British tackled the Thuggee cult in India?).
Fred - just commenting on that story of the [ex?]Muslim girl and her English partner. I hope they make it..."Many waters cannot quench love, neither can the floods drown it." Honestly - there's a powerful thriller-romance there, if any filmmaker is game to take it on.
I wonder...we hear a lot about churches offering 'sanctuary' to asylum seekers, etc. But it's cases like the one you described that cry out for the concept of sanctuary. We need the police, in a case like this, to be able to have a quiet word with the Cistercians or the Benedictines or the Iona Fellowship or the Catholic Workers or folks like that... So that a couple like the pair you've described can quietly vanish behind well-guarded high walls into a healthy, loving, genuinely peaceful community - there's no reason why they couldn't do useful work to earn their keep during their stay, gardening, cleaning, whatever; while the police get to work and bring the full force of the law down on the girl's not-so- near-and-dear.
My fellow believers...remember the Underground Railroad and the Catacombs. Remember how Jews were hidden in WWII by those who had courage and compassion. Who, in the UK, or the USA, or Australia, or Canada, is brave enough to let the police know (on the quiet) that you can provide a Secure Undisclosed Location for those who so desperately need it? For the apostates; for the Muslima who wants to marry OUT and is being threatened with death. And is there anyone who can teach a couple like that some basic skills in self-defence, both armed and unarmed?
dumbledoresarmy
I remember a television programme 10, 15, 20 years ago when it was proposed to set up a refuge for Asian teenagers at Leicester in the West Midlands. I don't think it came to anything following opposition from “community elders”.
As you know there are already refuges where ordinary women can get away from violent partners but even the location of these has to be kept secret. One does not have to be a rocket scientist to guess the reaction of the Muslim community if the whereabouts of any refuges for “their” girls became known to them. The result would be a general threat to public order as well as exposing the sham of our rich diverse multicultural society. Therefore the government probably calculates that terrorising and in extreme cases killing a few dozen girls a year is acceptable.
As a matter of interest the case I cited was one of several described on a TV programme and later in a book by the journalist John McCarthy. Having been held prisoner in Beirut for four years he is one of the few people allowed to report on these matters without being threatened or ending up in jail. But like everyone else even he has to be careful because as I said, these matters are “sensitive”.
From Wikipedia:
"Multiculturalism began as an official policy in India in 1950 with the adoption of its new Constitution. In the English-speaking countries it started in Canada in 1971.
It was quickly adopted by most member-states in the European Union, as official policy, and as a social consensus among the elite. In recent years, several European states, notably the Netherlands and Denmark, right-of-center governments have reversed the national policy consensus, and returned to an official monoculturalism. A similar reversal is the subject of debate in the United Kingdom and Germany, among others due to a belief that immigrant communities do not "fit in" or want to integrate into a particular lifestyle. "
So it wasn't really invented in Canada - unfortunately, Canada has become the model of a multi-culti paradise, mostly due to the francophones in Quebec insisting they are a "distinct society" and because of our left leaning politicians.
Multiculturalism seemed to be working just fine until muslims screwed it up.
Lindsey Graham is the Senator from multi-culti.
Graham taking heat for backing immigration bill
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“Anyone who runs against me better get up early and stay late because I think I’ve been one heck of a good senator for my state and my party,” Graham said Friday in an interview. “I intend to seek office on the basis that I am not afraid to do what needs to be done.”
Graham thinks the anger directed at him is part of the job.
“I’m 51 years old, and I’m not going to be deterred by ugly things being said about me,” Graham said. “If I am no bigger than that, I’m in the wrong job.”
end quote
Regarding the honour-killing topic, see
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/06/17/nhonour117.xml
which includes this statement from a 'senior police source' about how we got into this mess: "We started to learn lessons," he said, "and then stopped learning them as a result of political correctness." I have been wondering what PC should really stand for insituations like this, and I think it must be Poisoned Conscience. Please also see this excellent 'No compromise' piece:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/06/17/do1704.xml&page=1
If common humanity were insufficient motive for protecting women from their murderous families, then maybe self-preservation might be a good argument in that the probability of uncovering terrorist activity, or links to it, during honour killing investigations must be reasonably high. Such investigations will almost certainly uncover
evidence of illegal immigration, false documentation, abduction, including across borders, leakage of information by public employees at local or national level, all of which activities are engaged in by terrorists or are of potential value to them.
No turning back this time, I hope.
Fred, I also think we cannot underestimate the role of muslim taxidrivers as unofficial bounty-hunters. They get everywhere and they see everything. There was a case a couple of years ago in Denmark where an 'offending couple' was tracked down and spotted by muslim taxidrivers, and they were gunned down in broad daylight.
Hells bells! I never saw that reported!
Quote:
"Some families carrying out these types of crimes are very subtle in how they go about it," said Mr Afzal.
Unlike Australia with polygamy, I am not reading that the UK will take into account Honor Killings "exported" abroad....
It does address one major issue that no one seems to be willing to put forth except Australia: Dual Citizenry. It has been made not only irrelevant since 9-11 but actually dangerous... And the cases of Honor Killings within one's borders is one thing... But arranged marriages, polygamy and female circumcision and of course honor killings can and will always slip by any measures that tries to stop them...
What about a man who kills his brother because he leaves Islam in an Islamic country? No courts needed, no traces of issues with the justice and when he does emigrate towards a Western or Sharia Free nation, he is a "clean" honest citizen who only seek a better life and have a "family" (honorably)
I must say though, the UK is taking action and if they do, as the article state, use this unit to "expose" Honor crimes, thus increasing the number of cases that are actually happening in the UK, then it can only be helpful and in line with what we truly defend here... Respect of the values and the principles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights !
Gimme a DOH!
So now we have another police speciality being built up around yet another new and disgusting form of crime brought to the UK by The Religion of Peace and its merry adherents.
The Brits certainly haven't gotten any faster since the days of Chamberlain.
Orwell was an optimist.
And as I have been noticing, and I believe seen commented upon around these sites, the mohammedans have a very peculiar standard of "honor".
I suppose one of the Arabic or Urdu speakers on the site could comment on the exact word being used in the original language and whether it actually has the same implications as the word "honor" in English.
Honor in issues of sex and marriage, as understood in the west, even in relatively primitive times and places, is a much more masculine affair.
The woman in question might, at worst, be imprisoned. But the violence is conducted between the men.
They might slug it out over who has rights to the woman -- or an offended father might seek revenge on a young Lothario -- etc... But the whole matter is much more, ... well, butch.
Where is their sense of cojones?
This is all very bizarre.
What the British governement fails to understand with the Islamic Cult is that, there loyalty is always to Islam never to the country they are squating in. Instead of wasting your time trying to intregate these people into society, we should be washing them out. They do not want to mix with us they have nothing but disrespect to our culture and values. We have invented human right laws that do nothing to protect the British.
Islam wants to dominate not to intregate. Time we stopped allowing these people to mock us in our own country, and lets put the Great back into Britain and have a country to be proud of.
The Danish case
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2006/06/historic-verdict-on-family-honor.html
Also in JW June 2006.
Taxidrivers:
Reports say a strong network of taxi-drivers is also involved in hunting her down. This is a fact acknowledged by Anne Mau, secretary of Denmark's National Association of Women's Crisis Centres, in an online newsletter 'Modern Tribalist'. Her association has provided protection to many immigrant women on the run from their families. She says Pakistani taxi-network works systematically to find the women out who flee their families. The drivers, she says, alert these women's relatives about their whereabouts. The families usually send a picture around of the wanted woman through the mobile phone. "Then the hunt begins," Mau says. "This way many women have been discovered on the street, caught, and delivered back to their families." Only few of them manage to make good their escape though it's not sure how long can they stretch it.
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/nato-defense-topics/10313-danish-tragedy-honour-killing.html
The world was confusing to me lately, till I did a google on multicultural and came up with the name Herbert Marcusse. He was a Marxist who fled Germany in the late 1930s with his cadre's and came to America. They and Antonio Gramsci started multilcultural Marxism to tear down the west. They came to our universities to train our youth to this, and critical theory, and biased tolerance.
Critical theory means you criticize whatever the right say or do. They do what you say then criticise that. Biased tolerance is you are only tolerate what you like and exclude and criminalize what you don't.
Silvester
Thanks for the link on the Danish killing.
I would reccommend to all the comments on the link copied from M Al-Content's 11.13AM post.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/06/17/do1704.xml&page=1
Every single one I read said clearly - This nonsense has gone on long enough!
The Brits need a new telly show:
THE HONOUR KILLING SQUAD
A new victim every week (guaranteed by the ROP).
They can change the name for the U.S. to:
CSI: HONOR KILLERS
(Because we're gettin there, too.)
Set it in Dearbornistan, and have an apostate detective, and how could it fail?
(Other than the bombings, death threats, etc.)
h.beale, yes, you are onto it.
The 1965 essay "Repressive Tolerance" by Marcuse lays out in some complexity the case for silencing the majority and enabling minority voices to fill the void.
Sounding familiar in 2007? But for the internet and sites such as this the Marcusian dream might be close to realization.
http://www.marcuse.org/herbert/pubs/60spubs/65repressivetolerance.htm
Re: Multiculturalism
I live in Nashville, and I was cruising down the Nolensville Road today and I saw something I had never seen before, and for those of you that don't know, Nashville's immigrant population has grown quite a bit over the past 15 years. The nation's largest Kurdish population is here, after all. Nolensville Road is what you might consider Immigrant Road. You will find very good restaurants/diners here from a variety of ethnicities, Mexican, Indian, Persian, Korean, Ethiopian, Kurdish, Afghani, Chinese, etc.etc.etc.. You will also find a multitude of shoppes- diners, auto mechanics, markets, etc. etc. etc.- which have print on the signs above the door written in English, Mexican and Arabic. It brings a tear to my eye! ;)
ThinkForYourself it's the same all over. Since the days of Rome people from all over the globe have come to western countries to enjoy the freedoms we have. And like Rome we still seem to embrace the good in what they bring and add it to the pot.
The difference is now the elected politbrats train the police the proper and correct way to handle a wifebeater. Because his culture permits this we must take special care. Sorry folks beating a wife or killing your kids is a crime in my country. If your living here same should go for you. Make a special unit to handle honor killings and train them to be polite.
Better yet. got a genicide going on in the Sudan, don't blame the the aggressors, must be the climate.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070616212708.ymevxrx6&show_article=1&catnum=0
Great. We import Islamic crimes and then import Muslims to investigate them. It's a real money-go-round for Muslims living in the West. Are we dumb or what?
According to the Muslim News:
http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/paper/index.php?article=1809
Afzal has been awarded an OBE for his work with the CPS and his involvement with the local community. Which "local community" would that be I wonder?