An update on this story, and a conflicting explanation from the Taliban for his murder.
"Bullet-riddled body of S. Korean found," from the Associated Press:
KABUL, Afghanistan - The bullet-riddled body of a South Korean hostage was found by police Wednesday in central Afghanistan after a purported Taliban spokesman said the militants had killed one of the captives.
The male victim had 10 bullet holes in his head, chest and stomach, and was discovered in the Mushaki area of Qarabagh district in Ghazni province, said police officer Abdul Rahman.
The Taliban spokesman said earlier that the hostage was was killed because Afghan authorities hadn't met their demands to release other militants from prison.
Their Allah is so merciful.
"The bullet-riddled body"
Sicko!
The RoP®
Tabari IX:69 "Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us."
Tabari VIII:141 "The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!'"
Korean Evangelical Churches Under Cyber-Attack Amid Hostage Crisis
Although one can rightfully be offended at the evangelistic tactics of some Christians and other groups, supporting their deaths (as this article mentions some doing) disturbingly ignores the bigger question of whether it's moral, civil, and noble at all to kill people who simply behave offensively (bearing in mind also that what offends is in the eye/mind of the beholder). Those cheering on the hostages' demise should ask themselves whether they would also grant a predominantly Christian, Buddhist, Jewish, or atheist culture the similar right many Muslim cultures have to adopt policies that kill foreigners who offend their beliefs. A true, relativistic multiculturalist would have to admit that such a scenario should be permissible.
Greetings:
Sounds like South Korea is doing the Jimmy Carter two-step.
It's a shame, they used to have a military that was, how shall I say, retributive.
This is very sad. It's is not going to stop until radical muslims are treated similarly in western countries. An eye for an eye-- that's the only language they understand. The jinn infested revelations of mohamed are a plague on this planet.
It must be nice to be in such an exhalted position where you can kidnap people because their religon is different than yours; you can hold them hostage and murder them -- and have no fear whatsoever that people of your particular religon will suffer the same fate.
islamic bastards!
The male victim had 10 bullet holes in his head, chest and stomach, and was discovered in the Mushaki area of Qarabagh district in Ghazni province
You, your prophet mohammand, the devil you call allah, and your religon offend me as well as the entire human race.
Aah, the lies and distortions begin. OK, which is it, that their demands were not met or that the S. Korean was "sick and couldn't walk"? Didn't the Tallywackers (Taliban) say that they would kill ALL the hostages if their demands were not met? Oh, I see....their concience got the better of them and they saw the error of their ways and decided to only kill one, as that would be less disgusting than killing all of them. Or is it to keep some alive as "barganing chips" for the future? Either way, this is but another example of the terror inflicted upon civilised society by the "Religion of Peace" Now lets see if S. Korea pulls out of the middle east as a show of "concience" TO Islam. If so, theres will be the way of Spain in that no matter how much cowtowing they do they will always be in the cross-hairs.
"Islamophobes of the world, Unite!"
"Stop Muslim immigration now!"
They're probably busy raping the other Koreans. Most of them are women.
Sick dogs these Muslims are.
"This is very sad. It's is not going to stop until radical muslims are treated similarly in western countries. An eye for an eye-- that's the only language they understand. The jinn infested revelations of mohamed are a plague on this planet."
Very true. Many years ago a British acquaintance once said to me "When a Muslim hits you, you hit him back harder. That's the only thing they understand. They only respect strength."
St. Paul told us, "When one part of the Body of Christ suffers, we all suffer."
All Christians are surely suffering in this matter.
A person can be killed with one bullit, but ten? There must be an abundance of ammo in Afghanastan. I would be saving my shells, evildoers.
And to think we supported these people in a proxy war with the USSR. Again: How can we fight alongside the enemy, especially when the enemy are muslim deceivers?
I figured out why these types of websites should never be shut down - it is a way we can show emotional outrage without behaving like 'rage boy'. Our politicians are not listening, our police, local governments, hollywierd, Universities, even our church officials (I am a Catholic and our priests, and above, eyes glaze over or don't even read emails/letters) and news medias do not listen or want to become aware of what we face, of what individuals face on a daily basis with islam/muslims. And even Fox news censors many muslim crimes/violence and labels it something else, per Saudi Arab prince's request to do so.
right now I am so disgusted with the Catholic church that I can't 'see straight'. They appease muslims while christians - and others - are slaughtered by muslims around this globe. We got a pope who calls for peace and a stop to fighting globally but won't label who the ones starting all the battles are. Are our christian brothers to just lie down and let the muslims slaughter them??!! The pope is afraid of controversy. this is what we get with old men in charge. Oh they are sooooo holy while sitting in their wealth in rome. It makes me sick.
The pope could do something and show more leadership, but quickly goes back into his palace. He could make the Catholic population aware of what is happening - but, as I wrote, he quickly says 'peace' and then flees into comfort.
Whatever possessed these people to go to Afghanistan?
R_not:
That's a little naive. The Pope has "scolded" Muslim diplomats at the Vatican every time he sees them, telling them that they must STOP the violence. What else do you want him to do? Tell us Catholics to rise up and start killing Muslims? If he even makes a remote comment regarding the violence of islam (re Regensberg) they go on a killing rampage, murdering nuns, priests and burning down Christian churches.
The Church has no civil authority. No military strength. Only the Truth. Read the Pope's books and encyclicals. He is exhorting us all to return to our Christian heritage to STOP the Islamification of the West. The spiritual vacuum created by atheism (i.e. socialism and communism) and moral relativism has allowed Islam to gain power in the Western nations. Political correctness, multiculturalism, are all products of a departure from our Western heritage.
My pastor too is a liberal. Drives me crazy. But that doesn't mean you should condemn the entire body. This is how we, who sit in the comfort of our homes, suffer. Like some saint said: "Pray as if all depends on God; work as if all depends on you."
The Pope could call for a new Crusade. Condeming Muslims for violence doesnt cut it
Sigh. I guess you didn't read my post.
And where will we have the new Crusade? Muslims live WITH us now. They aren't just in the Middle East.
Come on, grow up! Get out of the box!
I am thinking out of the box. Islam has been at war with us for 1400 years. Talking isnt going to save us. Unless you have a better idea, grow up.
Elric66 - I have a collected a set of ideas:
http://foehammer.net/2007/06/anvil-spotlight-project-samson.html
We need many attacks on every dimension.
Elric - the Crusade idea didn't work. It's the wrong model. The Roman treatment of Carthage under Scipio is the proper model.
Retaking real estate and killing jihadis in and of itself won't make a permanent change in the minds of Muslims. It didn't work during the Crusades and won't work today. The minds themselves must change.
I bookmarked it. It is a battle with many fronts. But you cant even hope to win until you identify the enemy
It doesnt need to be the same model but the Pope calling for one will wake people up. The Pope would have to give the reasons why, reciting the history of Islam, the passages in the Qur'an, how socialism/securalism opened the vacuum and all the jihad around the world. Hell, Bush should be doing that as well.
Allah may well be "Most Merciful", but his derranged followers sure as hell aren't.
"Muslims live WITH us now. They aren't just in the Middle East. Does that mean we start killing them here?"
No, but we keep an eagle eye on them and don't allow any more of them to move here. Inviting Muslims to emigrate to the West is like bathing in Botulism, it's gonna kill you eventually.
"Come on, grow up! Get out of the box!"
No, you inform yourself and get yourself out of that box of ignorance and wishful thinking you're in, Atheling.
Oh brother. You guys didn't understand a thing I said. Forget it.
The explain yourself atheling. How would you fight Islamic imperialism?
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070725/28598_Korean_Evangelical_Churches_Under_Cyber-Attack_Amid_Hostage_Crisis.htm
Sounds like some are choosing who they will follow, death. They hate Jesus and His Church so much they cheer on the headhunters.
guys and girls Bae Hyung-kyu has shown the followers of the false prophet what true marytrdom means by dying and not killing for his religion.feel sad for his sacrifice but he followed in the path of Jesus and died for what he belived in ,and for the followers of the false prophet,well it's been written down already what is going to happen to them.God bless Bae Hyung-kyu and his family.
Amen to that.
Christians die for their belief, Muslims kill for their belief.
The Taliban spokesman said earlier that the hostage was was killed because Afghan authorities hadn't met their demands to release other militants from prison.
If I was in charge, every time a hostage is murdered, I would execute of of their own that they want released.
aething - I think I understand what you've tried to explain. I don't disagree with you either. The Pope is an important actor in this struggle, but what he can contribute should be more on the spiritual, mental, emotional, intellectual and ideological sides like you state.
Elric66
Crusade is the wrong approach. It didn't work in the middle ages. Retaking real estate and killing jihadis at the fringes isn't going to change the Muslim mind.
What will? A whole host of assaults from every dimension which name the problem and oppose it directly and tirelessly.
Plague:
THANK YOU. You understand!
You still didnt say how you would fight Islam atheling.
What do you think, Elric? You're debasing this thread with childishness!
We fight it in the ways we can, with our God given abilities. Everyone is different.
Now I'm done with it. This is about a Christian who martyred himself for the faith. Why don't you start thinking about that?
When the Pope says 'Islam is wrong' and can't be from the god known as Yahweh and asks for people to no longer support or accept Islam as legitimate he will have dropped a bomb more powerful than a nuke.
The mental maps must be changed and the Pope is one of the few people on Earth that can have this affect on people - even if they're not practicing Catholics. But moments of clarity are rare in this world even among Popes. I hope we see it some day.
That will be more powerful than the combined forces of NATO. That will change the way people see the world and ultimately that IS the world.
You are the one who told me to think out of the box and to grow up. You started the childness, not me. Nice vague answer btw. If you are going to condem people's answers to the problem of Islam, try coming up with something else. :-)
Elric, your desire to have the Pope call a Crusade reminds me of those Jews who dumped Jesus after they realized that He wasn't going to encourage a revolution against the Roman occupiers. They couldn't stomach the idea that His "kingdom" was not an earthly one.
That's what I mean by your being "in the box".
Thats what I was trying to get at. The Pope represents alot of the Christian world which make up a good portion of the West. If he calls out Islam for what it is and we must defeat it, it would send shock waves around the world.
Well atheling, you can be a good little Christian dhimmi and sit back as Islam eats the West apart because you believe you are going to heaven. You do your part. Just dont complain about Islam anymore, ok?
I also said that you didn't read my earlier post. I'll repost some of it:
"The Pope has "scolded" Muslim diplomats at the Vatican every time he sees them, telling them that they must STOP the violence. What else do you want him to do? Tell us Catholics to rise up and start killing Muslims? If he even makes a remote comment regarding the violence of islam (re Regensberg) they go on a killing rampage, murdering nuns, priests and burning down Christian churches.
The Church has no civil authority. No military strength. Only the Truth. Read the Pope's books and encyclicals. He is exhorting us all to return to our Christian heritage to STOP the Islamification of the West. The spiritual vacuum created by atheism (i.e. socialism and communism) and moral relativism has allowed Islam to gain power in the Western nations. Political correctness, multiculturalism, are all products of a departure from our Western heritage."
Elric, you're not listening to either me or to Plague. You're being hardheaded and immature. And I'm saying this with charity, not venom. The Pope has NO earthly power, nor does he want it. For him to call us to "fight" would result in the rampant killings of many innocent people just like what happened after Regensberg. He does not want that. Yes, he has influence, and he is prudent with it. Can you in truth say you would do the same, knowing it would result in the murders of thousands of innocent people while you sit in the secure walls of the Vatican?
Some people are called to fight physically. Some fight with words. Some fight with the Truth. Some fight with legal means. We all must use whatever powers and abilities we have to fight this war. It's not all about "crusades".
You're impolitic and rude, Elric.
I was right in saying you're immature. Your posts prove it.
Atheling do not ask where, but ask how you can do your part?
A great man asked that question of the people many years ago:
"If we can stand up to him, all Europe may be free and the life of the world may move forward into broad, sunlit uplands. But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science."
You sure are presumptuous in thinking I don't do my part, aren't you?
How do you know what I do for a living?
Other Mert:
I know the quote, and I read Churchill. So?
What's your point?
The Other Mert - that sounds like Churchill and I wish the Pope would begin to sound more like him. I'd like the Pope to be more straightforward about this. I realize it means those standing for medieval darkness will hurt and kill because of the words, but the words must be said in the light of day.
Light vs. Dark. Again it's about light vs. darkness. This can't be 'done in a corner', to borrow from Saint Paul. The Pope needs to step into the light and say the words.
From what i see, the pope doesn't need to call a new crusade, we will end up looking as bad as the muslims. today they slaughtered a chrisitian, probably in front of his friends, imagine the scene. his christian friends screaming and crying as they took him aside, stood in font of him and sprayed him with automatic fire. those poor koreans, those women saw this and cried and knew that they will die, but they probably prayed and took comfort in that.
islam is losing, they resort to killing people based on religion and race. every killing will stand these people out from the rest of us, their actions will mark allah as an evil cult god. liberals already know this but are too afraid to speak out. no we must press on with the propaganda war, drive them out into the open with truth. but we must pray for these koreans and hope that they get out alive from this evil.
finally i truly belive that the way forward now is to pull out of the Middle East, drill in anwar, use renewable fuels corn oil anything, and then launch co-ordinated assassinations on all middle eastern leaders and rogue states, such as north korea. take out these mentally sick people and start a new society in the west, based on charity, national culture and borders.
"Well atheling, you can be a good little Christian dhimmi"
she is no dhimmi! she is a true fighter against islam.
Light vs. Dark. Again it's about light vs. darkness. This can't be 'done in a corner', to borrow from Saint Paul. The Pope needs to step into the light and say the words.
Posted by: A_Plague_on_Both_Houses [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2007 5:00 PM
Yes he does Plague. The leader of the Christian world needs to speak out loud and clear. How much longer is he going to sit back and allow Islam to eradicate Christians from Muslim lands which were Christian until Islam invaded?
Leon, what makes you think Islam is losing? Europe will be Islamic in a generation or 2. Doesnt sound like losing to me.
Islam WILL lose.
"The Light shines in the darkness;
and the darkness has not overcome it."
Go to jail, join a madrass
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/07/uk-jails-being-.html
You sure are presumptuous in thinking I don't do my part, aren't you?
How do you know what I do for a living?
I don't care what you do for a living. I was a mechanic for your army until I had to look after my dad. Obviously my dad comes first. There's plenty of Americans to take my place. But don't try to tell me your a soldier with a defeatist attitude like that.
Defeatist? Mert, what drugs are you taking?
“And where will we have the new Crusade? Muslims live WITH us now. They aren't just in the Middle East.
Come on, grow up! Get out of the box!”
So when do you decide to kill a jihadist? Oh I forgot we can’t kill jihadists at home, that wouldn’t be fair play. Can we not resist during rain or bad light either?
“Put your guns away lads there’s a shower coming”
“But Sarge! I’ve got a bead on Bin Laden!”
“You’ll get your chance lad when we play them away”.
What is the comments of the new leader to the U.N. Mr. Moon?
Mr. Moon being a South Korean....does he still think Islam is a peaceful religion or a sick ideology.
yadayada:
what exactly do you mean? "Although one can rightfully be offended at the evangelistic tactics of some Christians and other groups"?
Telling people the gospel is a tactic that offends you?
Leon, what makes you think Islam is losing? Europe will be Islamic in a generation or 2. Doesnt sound like losing to me.
Posted by: Elric66
Elric, that is defeatist talk, Islam will never be the dominant religion of Great Britain.
Elric, that is defeatist talk, Islam will never be the dominant religion of Great Britain.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2007 8:43 PM
Thats realist talk if these keep the way they are going. I go by facts on the ground and I dont see any thing to give me another perspective. Now if you can give me some examples, I would love to hear them.
elric66
i would but im not allowed to mention it on jihadwatch, sorry.
i would but im not allowed to mention it on jihadwatch, sorry.
Posted by: leonthepigfarmer [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 25, 2007 8:49 PM
This isnt LGF, you can exercise your freedom of speech a bit more strongly. If you feel you cant, you can always e-mail it to me.
i'd rather not get into it on this site, but really i respect mr spencer and this site so i dont want to get into it anymore. i kind of over stepped the mark a bit but i had to defend myself and use facts and an argument. but if i keep digging myself into a hole with this subject im gonna get myself banned. so i'll shut up now as i dont want this to get off topic, which is the slaughter of an unarmed korean in afganistan. his crime? teaching the gospel and visiting afganistan. his reward? a full magazine from an AK-47 emptied into his martyred body. the reaction from the west? they will forget this tomorrow and still state that islam "is the religion of peace."
Atheling: "The Pope has "scolded" Muslim diplomats at the Vatican every time he sees them, telling them that they must STOP the violence.
Do you know how often, he see's them? And what do you mean by 'scolded'? Supremists dont like to get scolded.
'The spiritual vacuum created by atheism (i.e. socialism and communism) and moral relativism has allowed Islam to gain power in the Western nations'.
I'm not sure I agree with that.
"Political correctness, multiculturalism, are all products of a departure from our Western heritage".
I do agree with that...
Not that you are doing this atheling, but I think it is a stretch to make this a war of Islam against the Pope, or visa/versa, He has limited ability to do much of anything about Islamic hegemoney, and he does not speak for all Christians. 'Scold' is about it. To identify the war with Islam, as a war between them and Christianity, is another mistake many make.
As far as I know, Christianity has declared war on no one, but Islam 'has' declared war against 'the other', no matter who that is...
I dont want you getting banned Leon. I also hope you are correct that the UK will finally fight and win in its battle for its survival. To be fair, its bad over here as well.
As for the Korean, its a shameful act. They should start executing the prisoners the Taliban want freed for each hostage murder. The only way to stop these kidnappings is to make it too painful for the hostage takers. Giving in and paying ransoms only encourage more kidnappings.
What has Mohammad brought the world but evil?
His morality is a pirate's, a rapist's, a psychopath's "morality".
The choice of the "sword" was demonic.
The Pope should speak about this more.
And condemn Islam's decision to kill for "God" as the work of the devil, not any sane or loving Deity.
The "hounds from hell"...the "moles"..the "sewer rats" will kill a Christian in their country. They come to America...a Christian Country and have no regard for our people, nor our laws and constitution.
They do not tolerate Christianity or Judaism in their lands! Why are we putting up with their evil ways. God has warned us to remove the evil from our land.....if we don't, we reap what we sow.
Move out Islam..we have no room for you! I am not afraid to speak out against the worst of the evil. The Democrats can be like slimy snakes and slip side around....I want to see their faces when the Islamic nuts attack them. They must think they are immune to death because they hold hands with them. Well....Democrats in our government need to open their eyes, open their ears and smell the coffee. Islam kill their own..they do not care about Americans and they sure don't care about Democrats....when they been used for their dirty evil works..they be throwed to the dogs.
I would tell the Korean Christians as well as all other...stay out of Islamic Countries...they have proved that they will kill anyone who is a Christian, a Jew..and of course American.
Jesus Christ said to spread His Gospel to the ends of the earth...but He also said to wipe your feet of the dust..when they refuse to accept it.
Jesus also said, In the last days..the righteous will be righteous and the wicked will continue to do wickedly. (And we have seen it in Islam..wicked bunch!)
The South Koreans are known for being crazier and tougher than most other Asian Nationalities. They have a huge army and a booming economy and the Jihadists are playing with fire if they unleash the fury of the S. Koreans.
Hi all!
I think some posters here think that Pope is fixated at the problem of Islam/Jihad every minute of everyday. They simply don't understand that the Pope has other responsibilites and numerous other problems to attend to and these problems affect a billion Catholics thus much consultation and work is involved in these.
The Pope is doing real work in the real world. I would expect commenters here to understand that particular facet of his job and quit expecting him to act like some combox warriors who don't consider the consequences of real decisions made in the real world in their comments.
And contrary to your ideas of the papacy, the Pope is no dictator nor a dummy subservient to demands of some commenter. Nor is he the slave of public opinion. So quit slamming at the Pope like he's your personal b**ch.
The lives of millions of Eastern Catholics who live mainly in Islamic lands are at risk if the Pope openly becomes critical of Muslims. Even now, Chaldean Catholics are dying in Iraq. If the Pope does speak, imagine how much more they'll have to suffer there.
I understand that the problem of Islam is critical in this period of our history. But the Pope, I think, is more interested in making Catholics find their roots first after 4 decades of whackiness after the Vatican II before engaging Islam as it ought to be engaged. He's laying the foundations for a more vigorous battle against Islam by letting Europe finds its roots in Christianity. Islam is to Europe as a weed is to a plant. Reintroducing Christianity to the mainstream will hopefully be a efficacious weedkiller.
ThePerpetualMalcontent:
Excellent post. I doubt if some will read it or understand it, however. All they can think about is FULL CHARGE AHEAD without a thought for the consequences.
As an evangelical Christian myself, telling people the gospel does not offend me (tho' I realize it does offend some). What does offend me, however, are insensitive tactics used by some Christians. Check out the book "The Gospel Blimp" to see a bit what I mean. This "long-overdue, embarrassingly accurate commentary on the feverish futility of too many sincere but pathetically misguided evangelical Christians" was written decades ago and has much relevance today. A photo that accompanied a similar article to the one I posted earlier doesn't sit well with me, either. Mind you, I'm not lumping the Korean Christians in Afg. with this kind of behavior, but I don't blame folks for being "rightfully offended" by that fella in the photo. I don't subscribe to an "anything goes" when it comes to telling people the gospel.
My point was that as offensive as some evangelistic tactics may be to me or others, regardless of the evangelizing religion, philosophy, opinion, or viewpoint, whatever's not life-threatening is not worth making policies that call for the death of said evangelizers (unlike what is the situation in many of today's Muslim countries).
ThePerpetualMalcontent....
I have not commented or made any Pope comment, but I did find irony in your comment.
You commented on the fact that the Pope is working real issues in the real world and he is not involved in this 'Islam/Jihad' thing.
Wasn't that the same thing that happend starting around 650 A.D.? The Pope and Vatican ignored the problem because they were in the 'real world'. The Pope ignored the cries and begging from his people in the Promise Land to be helped for almost 400 years. It wasn't until that 'Islam/Jihad' thing was knocking on his door and one of the chapels in the Vatican was overrun by muslims that the Pope suddenly took notice and did something about it.
Are you talking about the same Pope duties? We don't have 400 years this time. There are as many Imans in the Vatican now as their are Bishops. The Pope will come to no ones rescue but only his own.
The Pope (this one or the next) will have to focus on this 'Islam/Jihad' thing soon since Islam has declared that they will set up the head of Islam in the Vatican. There are muslim websites, declarations, and books that are adamit that they will own the Vatican soon.
So, will we see a prevailing winner in a battle? a majority of muslims to will vote to overthrow their new host goverment and religion? or will we see a religion get reformed? and which religion?
The Vatican already has as many Iman Ambassadors that are permanent station residence Imans in the Vatican as they have Bishops.
I am deeply saddened by this, and my prayers go out to this man's family. He died as a martyr for Christ. God bless him!!
Jesus Himself told his followers that they would be hated by many and handed over to be killed. Amazing how just the mention of His name enrages so many people!! It's just proof of the glorious power that Jesus has today. The Bible tells us that even the demons knew Him, and despite their best efforts those who have rejected Him will one day bow in His presence. They can kill the messengers, but no amount of effort will ever destroy the message.
Publications by Voice Of The Martyrs give examples of how well Christians are treated in the islamic world. If you haven't read them, may I please suggest the books "Jesus Freaks" or "Extreme Devotion". Both books show the unbelievable cruelty displayed by the islamo-nazi's, and the stunning faith and compassion demonstrated by the Christians they persecute.