While the Muhammad Cartoon Rage protestors were sentenced, their niqabbed supporters outside demonstrated their respect for British law.
"Burkha-clad women brandish 'police go to hell' banners as Muslims are jailed for cartoon protest," by Charlotte Gill for the Daily Mail (thanks to g.hadi.hater):
Four Muslim protesters have been jailed for a total of 22 years for inciting murder and racial hatred as dozens of their supporters chanted and brandished anti-Western placards outside court.A group of women in burkas held up a sign "British police go to hell" as the men were sentenced for their role in a march against the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in a Danish newspaper.
The convicted quartet had called for British troops in Iraq to be brought home in body bags and demanded a "9/11 across Europe" at a 300-strong demonstration in central London last February.
The Common Serjeant of London, Judge Brian Barker, QC, said at the Old Bailey hearing: "Freedoms of speech and assembly have long been jealously guarded by our laws but with freedom comes respect and responsibility, none of which was demonstrated by you and the hardcore of your fellow protesters."
The judge said the protest had been "threatening, hateful and uncompromising" and the four men had "whipped up a frenzy" and gone far beyond what was "acceptable and legal".
Mizanur Rahman, a married father-of-one, demanded that the Mujahideen massacre coalition troops in Iraq, yelling: "We want to see them coming home in body bags. We want to see their blood running in the streets of Baghdad."
Seems to me that statements like that might indicate that Mizanur Rahman doesn't want to live in Britain at all. There is no need to compel him to stay.
Greetings:
It's kind of interesting to me that the British, with their acceptance of and reliance on camera surveillance, don't have a problem with the burqa clad.
Maybe sometime soon.
Notice how they are all covered from head to toe. Don't want to be identified by there boss? Here is another point of the cowards of this philosophy that hides as a religion.
goddamnit, where are the soccer hooligans?
Explosion in Manhattan?
"the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed in a Danish newspaper." JW
1. Mohd is not a prophet of any form;
2. Mohd. is not our prophet.
I am getting tired of the media calling him Prophet. They ought to call him Prophet of Muslims.
If Mohd is a prophet, then all criminals could demand to be called prophets.
Lockerbie-gate Update: Kaddafi's hostage extortionists change their death threat from quick-and-dirty to slow-and-agonizing;
... and when they get those guarantees, be certain they'll request other guarantees.Get the feeling they've played this game before?
It must feel like hell in those polyester burkas & gloves!
"Burkha-clad women brandish 'police go to hell' banners as Muslims are jailed for cartoon protest," by Charlotte Gill for the Daily Mail (thanks to g.hadi.hater):
Re: Burkha costumes-
These supremacist-delusion costumes will one day be laughed at. We all wear costumes in our work, but what are these costumes saying? Make no mistake of it, these costumes are intended to make a supremacist "statement". That's the purpose of the costume.
Again, note the weasel words in the leader: "muslims jailed for cartoon protest".
No, they weren't jailed for protesting cartoons, they were jailed for suborning murder, which the reader only finds out further along in the article.
Kind of like saying John Wayne Gacy was jailed for illegal burials.
These costumes very much resemble Darth Vader which is appropriate because these protesters certainly represent invaders from the Darkside.
Normally this bunch would be scrubbing their laundry on a rock, but today they are sent to deliver the message of their master(s).
Too bad they cannot be arrested for harassing the police. These four phantoms would not make it home to mash their eggplant, and their master would be alone on his side of the peephole sheet.
They are such pathetic tools.
ebonystone-
Right you are on the matter.
I can't believe anyone in England would want more Muslims. I bet the three in Burkas are on the dole.
You know I never see anything like this where I live. I can't imagine what average people walking by this sort of display must think, or how I would react if i ever saw it.
Suggestion for some fun-loving Brits: Wrap up in black sheets and go to the protest with a sign reading: "Trick or Treat!".
Do they celebrate Halloween in Britain? If not, how about: "I'm a Shy Islamic Zionist"
COW-ards!
The one group of people who should thank the police are this group. Why isn't a reality check given to them by Brits as to how life is under fundamental islam since they are sporting the garments of that type of islam.
l think it would too funny if someone dropped a lit match, watch how fast those smokin burkas come flying off those cows!
Go to the link, a policeman is filming them. Love it. If they need to reference any jihadists, they have a starting point.
The idea of protesting British law in Britain is just mind-blowing. Calling it a "Crusade" in the land of Crusaders is actually funny. GO HOME!
UK is pathetic, and I believe the British Jihadists remain the single number one threat to the USA homeland. British Jihadists have attempted three mass casualty terror plots since 9/11, and plotted two mass casualty terror plots before 9/11.
In USA, how long do you think people would be standing around with signs that read "USA Police Go To Hell"?
But in UK they tolerate, and tolerate, and tolerate.
British tolerance and weakness on its British Jihadists will yet be the death of Americans.
One more clear illustration why covers should be outlawed. Any jerk can make any propaganda of violence, hatred, crime, terrorism etc. and not fear the well deserved jail sentence, since they can not be identified.
I think that Westerners should start a new cult (register it and publicize it widely as a RELIGION), with the only requirement that all followers mask themselves, let's say when they suspect dark forces around (that way one does not have to look like an idiot at all times, but can still cause equal cofusion as islamists women do) Maybe if something so absurd happens more people will figure out how outrageous the demads of all those "new Brits", "new Dutch", "new Americans" etc. are. Because they do not feel and do not want to ever become Brits, Ducth, Americans or any other "infidels".
Borg:
(NYC) Steam Explosion Causes Scare In NYC -- Suspected Steam Explosion Is Not Terrorism-Related, Officials Say
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/18/national/main3072634.shtml
Would a counter-demonstration by KKK members in full white robes and hoods, carrying signs saying "Moslems, go to hell" or "Moslems, get out of Britain" be tolerated?
As I wrote some time ago in regard to the Grand Rapids bus case, if some masks are allowed, then all masks must be allowed, including KKK hoods, ski masks, Halloween masks, Zorro masks, etc.
"The judge said the protest had been "threatening, hateful and uncompromising" and the four men had "whipped up a frenzy" and gone far beyond what was "acceptable and legal"....from headline.
The judge sounds a little surprised by their actions -- but hey -- when AREN'T Muslims doing these things? If they aren't threatening/hateful/uncompromising and whipping things up to a frenzy, then what ARE they doing?
This is typical/predictable behavior.
Actually, I do believe that in America, it is illegal for two or more persons to wear masks and behave in an intimidating fashion.
This law was a direct response to the KKK.
So, in theory, these islamic bimbo's actions would be grounds for arrest in the US. But the dhimmis, libs, and PC'ers would never let it happen.
I am not 100% on this fact, if anyone has any insight it would be appreciated.
DEATH TO ISLAM!
"Freedoms of speech and assembly have long been jealously guarded by our laws but with freedom comes respect and responsibility, none of which was demonstrated by you and the hardcore of your fellow protesters."
Reassuring as it is to see these individuals sent to prison, I cannot help thinking that in time a similar line will be taken against those who are perceived to have shown a lack of respect for Islam.
In the real world, a banner calling for death and carnage against those who 'blaspheme' Mohammad is not the moral equivalent of waving a placard depicting a satirical cartoon of the 'Prophet'. But how long before the two deeds are regarded with similar gravity by our oh-so-sensitive authorities?
For instance, the police were - allegedly - very quick to clamp down on anyone who threatened to unveil one of the Mohammad cartoons publicly during the freedom of speech rally held at the time of their [the Motoons'] publication. With MPs, minister s and EU commissioners talking about countering Islamophobia with legislative measures, how soon will it be before protestors who are deemed to have committed a crime by 'insulting' Islam thus are locked up too?
Donning the burkha shows they've learned their lesson. They've learned that incitement that is caught on tape can land you in jail. They counter the camera by covering their faces.
Are we sure these were women?
I'm a little surprised that the first group demonstrated in the open with no facial covering. Haven't they learned anything from the Palestinians? The jihadists always have their faces covered with whatever that wrap is called.
At least the girls are suffering the largess of Vitamin D deficiency. I say, keep it up!
"Islamophobes of the world, Unite!"
"Stop Muslim immigration now!"
This infuriates me. Before sending a letter, check that you've applied the correct postage stamp and ALWAYS USE THE POSTCODE.
Whenever I see these Hefty-bagged babes two thoughts come to mind:
1) somebody needs to take the trash out and
2) where can I get my hands on a high powered firehose?
jeffreyimm
your statement was pretty ignorant to many of us, but not if you lived on the moon, but you don't, you live in the USA where the first muslim congressman just announced that Bush is similar or worse than Hitler. Did you protest this?
oh and this statement of yours "In USA, how long do you think people would be standing around with signs that read "USA Police Go To Hell"?"
but the rap group NWA released the violent anti-police/authority rap song entitled "f*ck the police" in the mid 80's. did you protest that also?
you need to review your own culture and political history and contemporary news/affairs before branding a great ally of the USA, the UK, as "pathethic". me and many on here are offended by your language.
Speaking of the UK.
Bloody Shia Festival....in England?....
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/07/bloody-shia-fes.html#comment-76371152
Ooooh, ninjas!
http://www.realultimatepower.net/
hey come on leon, sometimes people go overboard. you know we love you guys across the pond. it just makes us angry that it happens overthere, cause you should know that there is in the phyche of americans that the brits got there stuff together, i.e. no one makes fun of the queen, perhaps with the exception of the sex pistols. but in the end both our nations with austrelia are going to have to man up and clean out the trash. untill then cheers and keep the guns clean and ammo dry and beer flowing
"Burkha-clad women brandish 'police go to hell' banners as Muslims are jailed for cartoon protest,"
How does he know these are women? Isn't this the preferred dress, complete with high-heeled women's shoes, of the brave sons of allah?
It's halloween already?
Where is the guillotine when you need it?
These bastards who try and incite people to do violence need to suffer some violence themselves.
Send them to Gaza and let the Pals show them some real nice care- Murder, throwing people out of windows, or off roofs, beatings, . And this is from the legally elected animals.
The Good News: Four Muslim protestors are being sent to prison.
The Bad News: They will be allowed to keep their terrorist handbook (Qur'an). they will demand and receive special treatment; halal meals, prayer time, Islamic dress, cells with toilets facing away from Mecca.
This reminds me of photos taken of Charles Manson's female followers during his trial.
"Where is the guillotine when you need it?"
Hebrew Handyman,
Would that be for the big head or...?
Every free country should pack their Muslims up and send them back to the middle east. This PC crap the left has foisted upon us all will be our downfall. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, its a freakin' duck.
The whole Muslim community is so full of Taqiyya, it's not worth trying to discern who is peaceful or who is not, by the time we figure it out it will be too late. Islam is an intolerant, backward, medieval, fascist religion. We need to send them all back to a place where they can be brutal and cruel to each other in the name of Satan. Err uh, I mean Allah. Basically, they can all go pack sand.
Every free country should pack their Muslims up and send them back to the middle east. This PC crap the left has foisted upon us all will be our downfall. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, its a freakin' duck.
The whole Muslim community is so full of Taqiyya, it's not worth trying to discern who is peaceful or who is not, by the time we figure it out it will be too late. Islam is an intolerant, backward, medieval, fascist religion. We need to send them all back to a place where they can be brutal and cruel to each other in the name of Satan. Err uh, I mean Allah. Basically, they can all go pack sand.
British Police: A Little Rougher Please!
Go Britain, stomp on these Mohammadan parasites!
They bring nothing to your great nation. Probably
every nonmuslim "Asian" in the UK winces when these
scum are called Asian. I notice you're calling them
Muslim now, god on you.
Our troops should be over there helping you round up these vermin for deportation, rather than on a fools
errand in Iraq, trying to turn a sows sear into a silk purse.
"British police go to hell"....cause you want them to keep you company?
Josephine, that's a great comparison. Maybe Charley is the Mahdi, the Expected One, the 13th Imam. He was bloodthirsty enough. Anyone know if he'd read the koran?
What the hell are they doing there if they think it is hell? Do they believe in hell? Poor lady cop looks like she is surrounded by it! God they look evil black on their hands all flocked together to look like the black masses of death!
GO HOME MUSLIMS WE DO NOT LIKE YOU EITHER! Go back to to the pits of darkness of ignorance.
I wonder how flame-retarded those ugly black sheets are? ****hes from HELL!
LOL!!!
The thing is,those awful people are now locked up in prison for years to come and I am here on the outside enjoying my life and doing what I want when I want.
Those women hiding behind their terrorist masks are just pathetic.
Hopefully and (probably) they will be in prison soon.
Sad B***ards.
Hell would be vastly preferable to any Islamicized nation forced to exist under 'shariat' --believe us.
It annoys me that the Judge pulled his punches when he handed down the sentence. Besides telling the convicted men the protest had been "threatening, hateful and uncompromising" and the four men had "whipped up a frenzy" and gone far beyond what was "acceptable and legal", He might have done a far better service to Britain had he bluntly stated the British view of their actions.
He should have added "We in this country really don't care what you believe about your Prophet, or how you believe he should be viewed or treated by people of your faith. That is your right."
"In Britain, most people do not share your faith in Mohammad or Islam, which is their right, and, in addition, they have every right to express their opinions about Mohammad in any way they like, including by speech, cartoons and in writing. If you think you have any right to violate those rights, you obviously do not understand the principles this country operates under, and you shouldn't be in this country.
If you cannot accept that your religious views have no weight in this country, and other citizens are not obliged to like, or even respect your religion and it's founder, than I suggest you get out now." You have nothing to offer our society."
** Warning: Economic Rant **
On-topic because the ones who will bring this game to a close will likely be the bankers. God help the Muslims when the English pensioners (and soon the Americans too) get their checks slashed.
We now have $70 trillion of unfunded liabilities for Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Think about that for a minute. Go figure out how many zeroes are associated with $1 trillion. If you had everyone who was worth more than $1 billion in the world sell all of their assets tomorrow and give every bit of that to the U.S. Government, it wouldn't even pay the interest for 1 year. How is it we can be going down this road? How is it we can be turning our backs on the principles that made us great as a nation--the idea of personal responsibility even applied to Senators, and accountability, and transparency. We are going to hear a lot of stories about what is and isn't happening with this bill over the next 3 or 4 days, but the question I hope the American people will ask themselves is where is the money coming from? Where is the money coming from? If it is not in a pot somewhere and if it is not saved, somebody is going to have to pay for it.
Freshman Senator Tom Coburn, M.D., Oklahoma
http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=LatestNews.FloorStatements&ContentRecord_id=93ca002b-802a-23ad-4401-27279cecf553&Issue_id=
Senator Coburn avoided saying what President Bush has said. The end-game is a sudden, massive cut in benefits for the entitlement class (that also means teachers and civil servants), many of whom are dependent on the checks. Senator Coburn also did not state that the entitlement bubble is growing at $3 trillion per year (vs. $166 billion annually in Iraq), or that the value of every share of stock in every stock market in the world is around $50 trillion.
Let the good times roll.
I don't know people, I kinda like the black gloves. Going the extra step, without it being a Shar'ia requirement. It shows dedication.
Speaking of dedication, just wait until these poor SOBs get back home to their near impotent, yet quite volatile Islamist husbands. Now that's high maintenance, the ultimate display of dedication.
Giving 'till it hurts, literally.
In the Daily Mail article there's a photo showing a protestor's sign: "MUSLIMS PERSECUTED FOR THEIR BELIEFS"
When their beliefs include bombing and killing their host country's citizens, a little "persecution" becomes necessary.
Was the new muslim policewoman on duty for this one I wonder??
Would she have turned a duty shift down??
... but the question I hope the American people will ask themselves is where is the money coming from? Where is the money coming from? If it is not in a pot somewhere and if it is not saved, somebody is going to have to pay for it.
Pez. The answer to that is very simple but we wont like it.
We get to work harder, and longer, for less.
Aint that a bummer?
If that were in any US city, they'd make an excellent target for my homeboyz to do a drive-by.
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For you Brits, that's a drive-by shooting with an Uzi or a Mac-10... and if the shooter were caught, I don't think it would be hard to convince a jury that it was justifiable.
Send them to internment camps like we did with our enemies in WW2. Islam is the enemy today just like the Nazi Germany and Imperialist Japan. We must send the Muslims a message.
I want a niqab. Ninja warrior gear for night time operations. I have mentioned before about local liberals comandeering the only overpass in town for Bush demonstrations. Among them is a group called 'The Woman in Black', war protestors, who dressed in black, line up, and just stand there silent. I in my naqab will join them. Oh what a joy.
It will go over great in the grocery store when I buy bacon, pork chops, a six pack of beer, and a few cans of dog food. Then lottery tickeys from a machine. Then I will go to the video store, and rent a porn movie.
I can see many uses for a niqab...wonder if I can order one on E-Bay...
Well said, Rational.
The ugly face of pure evil that these masks - and the idiots wearing them - represent has no place whatever in any civilized society.
Explosion in Manhattan?
NYC) Steam Explosion Causes Scare In NYC -- Suspected Steam Explosion Is Not Terrorism-Related, Officials Say
How many times the government and news will tell us it is not terrorism. Everything that happens in America today..they find excuses!!! I guess so we all don't panic. But we no dummies either.
Was those x-moles(now sewer rats) at work in Manhatten? Who know's...we never know till the news start being honest and the government who keeps it all so hush hush. Maybe they think us American's will go haywire off on Muslims...lol.
Watch out for those "Sewer Rat's"!
British people need to do about face and shove something up those Muslim's nose..."pork sandwich"..they run!
Demanding a "9/11 across Europe" to be carried out by....whom? The Jews? The Mossad? Bush? After all, isn't this 9/11 event something most Muslims still think wasn't carried out by Muslims?
Others besides myself have noted that the full face covering facilitates crime, and prevents these lovely ladies from being identified from video footage.
And then they add gloves.
Gloves mean that you do not leave fingerprints.
And the Muslims wonder why they make the Infidels anxious, when half of their population wears masks, and gloves, and garments that have, on a number of well-documented occasions, been used by criminal males to elude justice. When Muslim women (or Muslim men? - or people pretending to be Muslims, even! why not?) have been known to use those all-enveloping voluminous robes while shoplifting (since things may be hidden under them, and the security cameras do not get your veiled face). In Israel women jihadists have used the robe to conceal explosive belts.
Frankly, in high-anxiety/ high security contexts, as when there is a fugitive alert and the ports and airports are being watched, then EVERYONE wearing this high-concealment costume, entering or leaving the country, will just have to be strip-searched. By mixed teams of men and women, of mature age, trained in unarmed combat. If the Muslims complain, tell them - how do we know that some Infidel criminal is not also adopting this wonderfully concealing costume in order to perpetrate wrongdoings and escape justice?
For all criminal and terror-related interrogations, a female suspect or relative of a suspect , if wearing burka and niqab, should be REQUIRED to have her face uncovered during the interrogation. The face, and the expressions on the face, need to be readable. If she complains, she should be told that an innocent person's innocence is much easier to see when one can see the face.
This business of women's face veils as used nowadays by Muslims in Infidel lands - and likewise, the masks favoured by Hamas terrorists in so many photo ops - is the height of arrogance. It rejects reciprocity. It says: "I can see you but you can't see me. I can read YOUR face, but I refuse to let YOU read MINE - and in this way, I block you from practising the unconscious 'mind-reading' by which humans read each other's faces, to determine whether I am lying or telling the truth'. A raw power play.
At one and the same time it erases women, while increasing exponentially the scope for deception of every kind.
Niqab and burka = falsehood, oppression, hypocrisy, and arrogance, all masquerading as 'modesty', in one hideous package.
I'll see your "blood run in the streets of Baghdad" and raise you two. Worldwide opinion may not admit it,buy it is acknowledged that accidents have been know to happen to the borg as well.
duh_swami,
Wondderful idea about the ethnic dress- contradiction angle.
hey, girls, if you don't like British Police, get back to the lands of Allah, where you have the child molesting's laws. Why, we all would be happy to pay you a one way ticket to Saudi Arabia, where the laws are much in line with Muhammad's laws.
How long would a burka-nette survive if she were in Mecca with signs saying "Saudi Arabia Police Go To Hell" ?
These protesters are just making a rod for their own backs by this provocative behavior.
They are also cowards, but we know that already LOL.
muslims are already in hell (islam) and their only goal is to force everyone else into hell
....the gloves also prevent fingerprints.....
....ban Muslim immigration...
Ban Islam
Provoslavni:
If that were in any US city, they'd make an excellent target for my homeboyz to do a drive-by.
For you Brits, that's a drive-by shooting with an Uzi or a Mac-10... and if the shooter were caught, I don't think it would be hard to convince a jury that it was justifiable.
Your US laws are certainly different. In the UK, if you murder someone in the street just because they are holding an offensive placard you can expect 20 years minimum in one of Her Majesty's "hotels".
And you don't need to explain terms like "drive-by". We may all be dumb, ignorant, pathetic, clueless, hopeless, dhimmi Brits but we've been exposed to enough American "culture" to know all about it.
To my fellow UK citizens
You might want to kid yourself otherwise, but:
The key to getting rid of Islam in Britain is to vote BNP
It couldn't be simpler. Anyone in Sedgefield reading this can do so today at the by-election:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6285356.stm
The BNP candidate - Andrew Spence - is well known for leading the fuel price rise protest a few years ago. This is a man who will not allow the Government to tread all over us without a fight:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3768625.stm
You can still support the BNP even if you don't agree with all of their policies. Just ask yourself:
- What is the biggest threat to the British way of life today? Clue: it's not Buddhism.
- Which is the only political party committed to removing that threat? Clue: it's not New Labour, Blue Labour or the Lib Dhimmis.
If you don't vote BNP, then when your grandchildren ask you in Arabic many years from now: "mummy/daddy - what did you do to try to stop the rise of Islam in Britainistan?" you'll only be able to look at the floor of your prison cell and shrug.
leonthepigfarmer:
There is nothing "ignorant" in my frustration with the pathetic efforts of UK to deal with its self-inflicted Islamist and Jihadist problem. UK has 4,000 known suspects walking the streets (a conservative figure), 40 Jihad cases and 100 suspects yet to go to trial, 16% of British Muslims support suicide attacks, 13% of young British Muslims admire Al Qaeda, 25% of British Muslims think MI5 did 7/7 bombings, 37% of young British Muslims want UK to be an Islamist nation. British Jihadists have attempted three mass-casualty terror attacks on the USA in December 2001, August 2005, and August 2007, and planned NYC attacks in 2000 and April 2001. Hizb ut-Tahrir has infiltrated the Home Office, Al Qaeda has infiltrated UK police, Jihadists among the NHS doctors. Hate mongering is being preached in UK "moderate" mosques and sold on DVDs in their bookstores. MCB's Bari said 9 months ago that UK will have to deal with 2 million Muslim terrorists, 700K in London, MPACUK calls for British Jihad in Israel, and no end in sight to the Jihad scourge. UK is the largest non-Islamic state exporting their British Jihadists to Iraq, Israel, Somalia, USA, and many other nations.
And most Britons think they are getting somewhere. If that is not the most pathetic denial of the 21st century, I don't know what is.
I don't "love" UK enough to tolerate your British Jihadists attempting to kill my family in the USA yet ANOTHER time. They have already had three chances to kill thousands of Americans, how many does UK want to give them? End the UK Visa Waiver program NOW and close the USA borders to UK.
jeffreyimm:
End the UK Visa Waiver program NOW and close the USA borders to UK
I'm British and fully agree.
If the USA did the above, citing the threat posed by British passport-holding Muslim terrorists as the reason, then the bunch of sycophantic appeasement merchants who run our country might actually do something about our unwanted Muslims.
Wouldn't it be poetic justice if Gordon Brown were denied entry to the USA? That might give him something to think about.
jeffreyimm -
When it comes to islam, the entire western world is pathetic, and the UK is no worse than France, or Sweden, or any other country, including the USA and Canada, that allows muslims to use our own laws and liberties against us.
jeffreyimm
let me give you a small task for today. go and google "islamberg" and then come back to me and tell me that the UK is "pathethic".
If I lived in London, I would stand across the street from the Hefty Bags holding up a sign saying, "Mohammedans Go To Hell."
Could I do that?
The point that several posters have made about the burka providing anonymity is especially significant because none of the original Danish embassy protesters were actually arrested at the demonstration itself. The police made a decision that it was in the public interest not to do so. Instead they were arrested some time later after the police identified the most serious offenders from photographic and video evidence of the protest.
See http://edgar1981.blogspot.com/ for more details.
darcy, jeffreyimm
the point that you shoul be really making is this, all western nations have been infiltrated by he wahabbist islamic fundamentalists plus an uncontrolled illegal immigration, helped by socialists. how are we in hte west going to stop this. not "your country is pathethic", "if i were there" etc etc. yes if we were all there we couldve probably made a very loud statement. but the sad thing is, apart from jihadwatch and boring/scaring our friends we really do nothing about it. but what if we could?
they are here (islamists), all our nations leaders are ineffectual at countering this threat.
i was born in hte UK, lived there for 30 years and now live as a US citizen in hte USA so i see both sides of the coin.
yes the british leaders in the UK are pathethic, but so are the US leaders for allowing a muslim congressman to compare bush to hitler. and it's very pathethic that the FBI allows a military style training camp in new york state run by muslims called "islamberg". explosions and auto gunfire are regulary heard from this camp.
the western leadership is pathethic, that's what your reply should've been.
jeffreyimm -
"There is nothing "ignorant" in my frustration with the pathetic efforts of UK to deal with its self-inflicted Islamist and Jihadist problem."
Jeffrey, well said. I agree with every word you've said in this thread, and I'm British myself.
If people elsewhere knew the full extent of the craven dhimmitude shown by our government, media and political Establishment, along with those of countries across Europe, then they would be appalled.
Even now - after Madrid, 7/7, Cartoon Rage, all the thwarted terror plots, and the slow, steady encroachment of Islam upon daily life in every EU country - many of our people just don't GET the threat. We are an entire continent sleepwalking towards disaster.
So, please, lobby Congress to end the visa waiver, and apply restrictions to every EU visitor. Maybe when our idiots realise WHY this is happening then they'll finally wake up. More likely, it will just increase their anti-Americanism. Oh well, what can you do? Put your own safety first.
BTW, Ignore your critic: you'll find that he's a supporter of the BNP - a British race-based nationalist organisation with its roots in neo-Nazism. These brainless idiots have done more to stimie the debate on immigration - and thereby enable the influx of Islam's followers into the UK - than any other group in Britain.
Today they are focusing on Islam, because they think this will win them support. Yet just a few years back, the party openly supported Arab terrorism, and its leaflets and speeches were dominated by attacks on "the Zionists" and the "Jewish World Government". The party's leader has a conviction for race hate for publishing an appalling anti-Semitic pamphlet referring to the "Holohoax" and a "Jewish controlled media".
In short, the same filth and hatred spat out by the Islamists that they now claim to oppose.
You can still support the BNP even if you don't agree with all of their policies. Just ask yourself:
- What is the biggest threat to the British way of life today? Clue: it's not Buddhism.
Posted by: watling
It's not Polish immigrants, either. I thought the business about Polish plumbers was another oddball French matter, but I see the BNP shares it. Hey Brits (and French), get a clue! The Poles are fellow-Europeans and fellow-Christians; they share about 98% of your values. They're in your country to find work, not to blow up subways, or burn cars by the hundreds in the suburbs, or fire-bomb airports, or demand that their neighborhoods by governed by some medieval Polish legal code, or hold demonstrations where they call for the murder of the Queen, the prime minister, and British soldiers and police. They don't demand special treatment and special programs in the schools and recreation areas and public buildings. Are they demanding that school lunches include pierogis and sauerkraut? Or that toilets in public buildings face away from Warsaw? So what if they are willing to work for lower wages than native workers? That seems to be o.k. in the Public Health Service, where the wages are so low that the only doctors they can attract are moslem immigrants. How many Polish plumbers were arrested in connection with the airport-nightclub bombing conspiracy?
I just wish that the U.S. had taken in 2 million Poles over the last several years instead of 2 million moslems. Heck, I'd rather have 2 million Poles that 2 thousand moslems.
The immune system of the West has become weakened, so the pathogens come out to attack their host. Either the host eventually succumbs or the body finds a away to rid itself of the attackers.
The British, who have been some of the most abject appeasers, are now paying the price. Will stronger and stronger doses of reality be the medicine they need to kick start their system into action?
Matamoros:
BTW, Ignore your critic: you'll find that he's a supporter of the BNP - a British race-based nationalist organisation with its roots in neo-Nazism.
That's right, label a group you disagree with as neo-Nazis. You've now won the argument. Congratulations.
Which alternative political party do you think will tackle the Islamists? Please tell us so we all know who to vote for.
These brainless idiots have done more to stimie the debate on immigration - and thereby enable the influx of Islam's followers into the UK - than any other group in Britain.
Utter rubbish. That's like saying Robert Spencer has encouraged radical Islam. By the way, when you're labelling people as brainless you should check your spelling first. The verb is "to stymie".
Today they are focusing on Islam, because they think this will win them support
That's not strictly true. The UK's membership of the EU is pretty much in focus too. But doesn't it make sense to focus on the main threat to our way of life?
When you're on an underground train, what worries you more: the economy, education or being blown up? However, you'll find that the BNP has a manifesto covering all areas of interest to the electorate.
The party's leader has a conviction for race hate for publishing an appalling anti-Semitic pamphlet referring to the "Holohoax" and a "Jewish controlled media"
Yes, Nick Griffin has questioned the scale of the holocaust and has since admitted that he was wrong.
Many politicians make mistakes in their youth. Some become evasive when questioned about their youthful misdemeanours - e.g. David Cameron of Blue Labour.
If you want to see the distasteful, illegal and anti-social behaviour New Labour, Blue Labour and Lib Dhimmi politicians and supporters get up to - and you have several hours to spare - see:
http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/
You might recall that two Tory politicans have served time in prison. These weren't back benchers, either. Jonathan Aitken was a Cabinet Minister (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/593724.stm ). Lord Jeffrey Archer was a peer of the realm, no less (see http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1447880.stm ).
Leon and Matamoros and everyone - Are you signing the various Petitions against Muslims found on the 10 Downing Street site?
I signed the "Abolish plans to build a 100 million (pounds) mega mosque" - it got 277, 041 signatures (!) and there will be no mosque!
Today I signed a Petition called "Ban the practising of the Muslim faith in the United Kingdom." It has 558 signatures so far, and closes DECEMBER 29, 2007, SO SIGN!!!
I also signed "Ban the Veil" petition which has about 127 signatures and closes, I believe, in March '08. SIGN NOW!
DARCY
Personally, I think they look really hot. Literately.
On another note, if your body is covered head-to-toe, no one can see the marks left from when your husband, brother or father beat you. Maybe allah did make these three half-stupid.
Sad.
Shalom,
Theosebes
"Burkha-clad women brandish 'police go to hell' banners as Muslims are jailed for cartoon protest"
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You mean hiring all those Muslimas as policewomen hasn't made them all feel loved and included? Damn! Another theory on "how to make Western society inclusive so Muslims will want to assimilate" goes down in flames.
Where is Darcy?
Where are these 2 petitions so I can sign today?
watling
it's ok i'm used to being called a "neo-nazi" now. even though the BNP has a jewish councillor. even though my good friend knows that i am BNP and still is my good friend. even though the BNP has massive support from hundreds of thousands of british, overseas member and many thousands of ethnic minorities in the UK.
ye,s some past policies of the BNP are crap, that's why i never joined them before but they have changed, the same way that the conservatives changed from ultra right wing in the 1890's to liberals in 2007. give it 10 years and the BNP will have it about right. i'm taking my chances on the BNP, helping to steer them and their followers away from their past and into the future.
if i met any "neo nazi" BNP members i would be the first report them to the top leadership and if i knew of any nazi extremists in our midsts i'd report them to whichever authorities.
look in all walks of life there are exttemists, nutters and political idiots. the labour party is full of ex communists, criminals yet no one compares the labour party to stalinism or the genocide with stalins purges.
on a note, i dont see any differences from people like spencer and michael savage to what the BNP are currently saying regarding the support of israel and the defence agaisnt islam in the west.
if spencer or savage came to the UK and spoke they would also be demonised by liberals as "neo-nazis".
please think before you type matamoros.
Thes Cross Dressers should have been hit with several Volleys of rotten Tomatoes, and bad eggs.
The convicted quartet ... demanded a "9/11 across Europe" at a 300-strong demonstration in central London last February.
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But wait ... wasn't 9/11committed by George Bush in a blatant grab for power? Or, hmm, I think it was the Jews, you know, Mossad? And what about native Christian terrorists? Everybody knows they're just as bad, right? Now I'm all confused.
(YadaYada commented on this, also)
Here I am, Hungarian Crusader!
Go to "10 Downing Street" WEBSITE and you will see the Petition Information. SIGN!
The BNP stands in direct descent (of the apostolic succession variety) from Mosley's British Union of Fascists. Their policies have always been characterised by racism and xenophobia. If they had a truly coherent analysis of the problem with Muslim immigration they would at least have been neutral about the recent influx of east European workers in to this country. As it is they indulged in their usual knee jerk reaction. In areas with little or no coloured immigrant communities, their election pamphlets in recent local elections talked exclusively of EU immigrants as the hot issue of the day. This transparent policy, of fomenting and exploiting fear and distrust of the foreigner, discredits any criticism they may make of Islam since this will be seen as just another manifestation of their bigotry. Since most of the electorate can see this, the important thing is to make the truth about Islam generally known and accepted in the mainstream media and political parties.
Posted by Watling:
That's right, label a group you disagree with [the BNP] as neo-Nazis. You've now won the argument. Congratulations.
How else do you label the BNP, a party with its roots in anti-Semitism? A party that obsesses about "Zionists" secretly running the world? A party whose leader called the Holocaust "an extremely profitable lie"?
Yes, Nick Griffin has questioned the scale of the holocaust and has since admitted that he was wrong. Many politicians make mistakes in their youth.
I should point out that Nick Griffin was a callow youth of, erm, 38, when he was convicted of anti-Semitic hatred over his 'Holohoax' pamphlet. Perhaps he’s just a late developer?
But that was in 1998. As you say, he’s probably changed since. Funny though, in an article on the BNP website dated 23 Sept 2005, he was still banging on about “Zionists” (BNP shorthand for Jews):
“And it is equally true that assorted Zionists – particularly around President Bush - played a key role both in pushing for that invasion [ Iraq ] and in telling the lies that created a degree of public support for it. It seems that they thought that having the Yanks and Brits go in and obliterate Saddam was a good thing for Israel… But while this was clearly a key reason behind the decision of various Jewish media bosses to back the invasion, it does not automatically prove that it was the real, or the only, reason for it.”
http://www.bnp.org.uk/columnists/chairman2.php?ngId=25
When the BNP isn’t busy exposing wicked Jewish - sorry, "Zionist" - cabals, it’s promoting David Duke, the notorious U.S anti-Semite, pro-Islamist and former Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, and defending him from his many critics.
Indeed, an article on the BNP website attacks the “Zionist” Michael Chertoff, then US Assistant Attorney General, for his role in prosecuting and imprisoning Duke:
“Chertoff recently prevented the Federal prosecution of the 200 Israeli spies who were caught in the months before and after the 9/11 attacks. He has worked to hide the Israeli complicity and treachery in the September attacks. Chertoff now seeks to persecute and silence the man who has been the most prominent voice in the world exposing the Israeli Mossad's role in 9/11.”
So there you have it - the BNP website openly promoting the “Jews were behind 9/11” crap.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/davidduke_battle.htm
(The above link also offers BNP website visitors the chance to buy Duke's "brilliant" book My Awakening)
Indeed, far from hiding its links with Duke, the BNP proudly boasts of its connections with him:
“A top level delegation of BNP officials is today flying high over the Atlantic to attend a three day conference aimed at bringing together European nationalists and American patriots of European descent. Party Chairman, Nick Griffin is leading the BNP delegation to speak at the European American Conference as guests of David Duke in Louisiana.”
http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=316
“American patriots of European descent”, eh? What about all those other American patriots of African descent, Hispanic descent, Jewish, Middle Eastern, and Asian descent? Don’t they count with you brave boys of the white-supremacist Right?
What about the patriotic young men and women from those backgrounds who are fighting alongside their countrymen of “European descent” in Iraq and Afghanistan, and are getting shot at, wounded, maimed and killed fighting for our freedom? I suppose they don’t count either, do they?
American and other non-British JW readers: don’t be fooled by the BNP’s very recent anti-Islamist stance. For most of its existence the party and its predecessors were staunch supporters of the PLO and other Arab terror organisations. The party’s leader, Nick Griffin, was even invited to Libya by Col. Gaddaffi to seek funding for his anti-Semitic campaigns.
I hope that Robert, Hugh and the JW team act to block any further promotion of this odious neo-fascist organisation by its supporters on here. You should be aware that the BNP actively encourages its members to use third-party websites such as JW to further its cause.
http://www.bnp.org.uk/cyberactive/cyber_intro.htm
Having JW linked to the BNP - even if it is merely through promotional political messages from its supporters - risks damaging both JW and the anti-Islamist cause that it so admirably spearheads.
Matamoros
jihadwatch is not connected with the BNP, never has been and never will.
if mr spencer wants to block me etc then that's his choice. i respect and have always respected his views and others like him, michael savage in particular.
this is mr spencer's site, he works hard for this and has published books bought by many british people who are finally realising that islam is a danger, a red flag. the BNP are changing, i am trying to change them to follow the lines of the dutch "freedom party".
matamoros, i have respect for you, i do not want this to escalate into a stupid back and forth argument. we in the west are in this mess together. i am trying my hardest to include ethnic minorities (british patriots) into the BNP, please work with me and stop trying to get me and my british brothers banned from this and other sites. thanks mate..
respect.
Politics is fast moving. Allegiances change. The enemy of your enemy can be your friend. Unity is our only hope.
These days the anti-Semites tend to be on the Left - e.g. Ken Livingstone, London's mayor. Indeed, Islam and the Left have curiously become natural bedfellows. You can read about it in Melanie Phillips's book, Londonistan.
Or read about it in David Horowitz's book, Unholy Alliance: Radical Islam and the American Left - http://www.amazon.com/Unholy-Alliance-Radical-Islam-American/dp/089526076X .
Or Google "Islam and the Left".
There are plenty of right-wing Jews. Have a look at the excellent http://mosquewatch.blogspot.com/ .
I can confirm leonthepigfarmer's assertion that the BNP has a Jewish councillor, Pat Richardson. She says:
See: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article420930.ece .
Also see this recent DW comment regarding Dutch dhimmitude, the Left and Ayaan Hirsi Ali's reaction to it: http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/017427.php#c424143 .
My question remains:
if not the BNP, which political party should we vote for in order to rid ourselves of radical Islam?
Please don't tell me any of the mainstream parties. They are completely paralysed by political correctness, multiculturalism and dhimmitude.
The only thing that just might make them change is a sustained jihadist campaign, where thousands of innocent Britons die in a short space of time. And I mean many thousands - more than the number who died because of 9/11.
Are we prepared to sacrifice those lives before we act?
Look closely, those are not women!