Jyllands-Posten, you may recall, is the newspaper that originally published the notorious cartoons of Muhammad that ultimately touched off worldwide Muslim riots. Now it appears that Muslims in Denmark, seeing that the Danes have not punished the cartoonists for exercising their freedom of speech, are bent on exacting some kind of retribution.
Flemming Rose, the Jyllands-Posten culture editor who made the decision to publish the cartoons, writes at Pajamas Media (thanks to Blicher):
Islamic Society of Copenhagen can’t accept the secular laws of Denmark, and therefore they plan to seek support in the Middle East for a fatwa against Jyllands-Posten, if the newspaper is acquitted in a pending civic case, which a number of Muslim organizations has initiated against the paper, and if the European Human Rights Court also makes a decision that goes against the legal demands of the Muslims.This is tomorrows top story in Jyllands-Posten.
”Until now nobody has had to answer for insulting our prophet. We have no choice but to ask for a fatwa,” says Kasem Ahmad, spokesman for Islamic Society, referring to the publication of the 12 cartoons of Mohammed in Jyllands-Posten September 30, 2005....
Read it all.
OT but here are the latest musings of the muslim Rep. Keith Ellison, D-Minn.:
told a group of atheists earlier this week the actions of the Bush administration in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, al-Qaida attacks remind him of the Nazis' use of the burning of Berlin’s Reichstag parliament building in 1933 to expand their power.
Ellison, at a noontime speech before Atheists for Human Rights, told the Minneapolis-based group, "You'll always find this Muslim standing up for your right to be atheists."
The congressman talked to the group of over 100 meeting in the Southdale Library in Edina about a number of topics – impeaching Vice President Cheney, Bush's commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence, the war in Iraq and the 2001 attacks by al-Qaida.
Speaking of the destruction of the World Trade Center and the damage to the Pentagon, Ellison said, "It's almost like the Reichstag fire, kind of reminds me of that. After the Reichstag was burned, they blamed the communists for it and it put the leader of that country [Hitler] in a position where he could basically have authority to do whatever he wanted."
On Feb. 27, 1933 – one week before elections in Germany – the Reichstag building in Berlin was burned. Historians have disputed who set the blaze for nearly 75 years, although the Nazis have often been suggested as culprits who destroyed the nation's parliament building in an effort to discredit the communists and justify seizure of emergency powers.
The day following the fire, Chancellor Adolph Hitler pushed for an end to many personal, political and property rights and used powers granted to him to crush political opposition and come to power.
"The fact is that I'm not saying it was a [U.S.] plan, or anything like that because, you know, that's how they put you in the nut-ball box – dismiss you," Ellison explained to the group.
On Tuesday, Ellison attempted to further clarify his Reichstag statement by telling the Minneapolis Star-Tribune he was making the point that "in the aftermath of a tragedy, space is opened up for governments to take action that they could not have achieved before that."
When asked for examples of such Nazi-like action in the wake of 9/11, Ellison cited the Iraq war, certain provisions of the Patriot Act and Bush's commutation of Scooter Libby's sentence.
I thought the death threats WERE retribution.
Guess they need that in writing.
Threats aren't retribution. They're merely threats. A fatwa is permission for *action* on those threats.
How about a fatwa against the photo known as "[urinate] Christ? He was a muslim prophet, too, you know.
Until now nobody has had to answer for insulting our prophet. We have no choice but to ask for a fatwa,” says Kasem Ahmad, spokesman for Islamic Society, referring to the publication of the 12 cartoons of Mohammed in Jyllands-Posten September 30, 2005....
Well good enough for the danes, the swedes, and the rest of the scandies!
It was their leftist idealism that brought the islamic cancer to this part of the world in the first place, and their stubborn refusal to keep the islamic devils in check that brought this about.
At least when their heads are sawed-off in the name of allah, the leftist victims can fault themselves thanks to their PC/Multiculturalist ideology, and not their filthy islamic murderers.
Oh good grief, he we go again.
Islamic Society is basically notifying the public: we do not accept secular law, we want the sharia imposed, and if you don’t obey, we will take our case to clerics in the Muslim world to pass a legitimate verdict against the blasphemers.
An unveiled threat. Will supporters of secular law meet the challenge?
Treason
After two years they STILL harp on this. Unbelievable and yet it is totally believable when one considers who's doing the harping.
It seems to me that initiation of deportation proceedings ought to be tied to requesting fatwas against civil(ized), organizations protecting hard-won liberties.
If they want to get a fatwa, fine; deport them to the place where the fatwa came from since that is the type of society they'd prefer to live in.
Isn't asking for a fatwad solicitation for murder? Isn't that itself a crime? If they simply offered a reward -- say 100,000 euros for the head of this editor -- wouldn't that be a crime? Asking for a fatwad looks like the same thing, only no monetary reward.
Can someone please provide some direction on how I might be allowed to read the linked article in English? Opening the link only shows me the Danish version. Is not an English version available?
Nevrmind. I got it. Thank you anyway.
"Islamic Society is basically notifying the public: we do not accept secular law, we want the sharia imposed, and if you don’t obey, we will take our case to clerics in the Muslim world to pass a legitimate verdict against the blasphemers."
What would the fatwa consist of? Would it violate EU and Norwegian law? Where would such a fatwa be considered 'legitimate'?
How will Norwegian citizens, politicians, journalists, and police respond?
ISLAMSFORLOSERS:
They're still crying about the Crusades almost 1,000 years later...there will be outrage about the cartoons for decades to come.
Courageous Danes need to picket the Mosques with signs which read "defend freedom of the press". Unless courageous people non-violently defend our freedoms, we will lose them.
Bring a video camera folks, in order to expose these bullies for what they are. Always have cameras. Muslims can talk all they want about peace and tolerance, however some raging Muslim punching a peaceful protester defending something as simple as freedom of the press will expose the truth for everyone to see.
Those who do not accept secular law in their host countries should be deported to a Sharia Law paradise immediately.
That would include all practicing Muslims in infidel lands.
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The freedom of the press always trumps the priviledge to oppress.
I think we need a fatwa for the expulsion of muslims from the dar-ul-harb...
We all owe Flemming Rose and Jyllands-Posten a debt of gratitude for their efforts to break down the Islamic "haram" barrier and for defending freedom of speech. Nothing would be better for Muslims themselves than to be allowed to freely examine and discuss their sacred texts and leaders in the light of 21st Century humanitarian values.
Just as some ancient Jewish and Christian practices (e.g., having meals with corpses in the catacombs) are considered obsolete, there is no shortage of Muslim practices (e.g., eternal jihad) which need to be reconsidered in view of modern social norms.
What the Danish cartoonists did which apparently insulted Muslims was to juxtapose Muhammad's 7th Century practices and teaching with today's world. On the contrary, all of humanity should be insulted by the notion those teachings and practices are timeless, sacrosanct, and superior to all other religious views.
Seems to me this kind of thing constitutes a variety of offences that the penal code of the typical nation-state call by names such as "undermining the sovereignty of the state" "incitement" and even "treason". Lets all hope and pray that the Danes will not hold back.
And for good measure, in my former left-leaning days (long behind me now, thank God) I was opposed to the death penalty. Now, I think we should bring it back - if for no other reason than to award our Jihadist friends with the insane "martyrdom" they so ardently desire. If any murder or mayhem results to Denmark or its interests anywhere from this hypothetical fatwa, make an example of them.
..."defending something as "simple" as freedom of the press"....
There is nothing more important than freedom of the press. In every case in history, the first move of the dictator/conquerer is to shut down the press. It is not a "simple" freedom, and must be defended, or every other freedom will be lost.
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From a posting above:
"On the contrary, all of humanity should be insulted by the notion those teachings and practices are timeless, sacrosanct, and superior to all other religious views."
Ma and Pa America are clueless. George Bush and Karen Hughes are clueless.
From the University of Southern California Muslim Students Association website:
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/
Prophet Muhammad (saas) was the final Messenger of Allah to humanity, and therefore the Qur'an is the last Message which Allah has sent to us. Its predecessors such as the Torah, Psalms, and Gospels have all been superceded.
How many American Jews know this? How many American Christians know this? How about Sean Hannity or Alan Colmes or Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Tony Snow or Barbara Boxer or Wolf Blitzer or your brothers and sisters and mothers and fathers or.....
How many American Muslims like this woman will continue to lie to the rest of us; her charade left perpetually unchallenged:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7dfJ_s9M88
Her last statement:
"God does not tell you to target innocent civilians in any way, shape or form."
Who then, exactly, does God tell Dr. Uddin TO target--today, in the twenty-first century? Guilty civilians? Military personnel? Which armed states are 'at war' with Islam?
Why would God direct Muslims to 'target' other human beings?
The bad doctor has much to explain.
It is a pity that Muslims decided to come to the West, and then tried to force the Islamic agenda on Westerners. The default position of the West is to critically examine any idea or thought that comes before it. This examination has led to the revelation of what the koran and hadiths constitute, and the thoughts, actions, and the depravity of the founder of Islam.
Public interest in Islam as a consequence of 9/11, has led all this to become public knowledge, where previously it was the preserve of scholars. A case in point. The Crusades are now regarded, and correctly so, as a desperate defence of Christians and Christian lands, from repeated Muslim invasions.
None of this would have happened if Muslims had not come to the West, or just lived like Hindus and others. Now the cat is out of the bag.
The perverted nature of Mohammed has been revealed. Inevitably, this has led to the caricature of Mohammed, and given his lamentable character, ridicule. And not just to Westerners, but also to tens of millions of Muslims, who otherwise would have continued to be good but ignorant Muslims. But now they do know. And no matter what happens, the seeds of doubt have been planted in Muslim minds, even in Muslim nations.
None of the contempt of Mohammed and ridicule heaped on him would have happened if Muslims had stayed in Muslim lands. Islam would still have had respect in the West, born of ignorance albeit, and Muslims in Muslim lands, would have been content in ignorance as well.
The problem for Muslims now, is how to wipe out the contempt, caricature and ridicule that have been heaped on Mohammed. This is what this fatwa is about. There are only a couple of choices
1. Accept reality. In which case the caricature, ridicule etc, stand for posterity.
2. Fight back. The only way the caricature and ridicule etc can be expunged is for Muslims to conquer the Western world, and make it Islamic. Then and only then, will Mohammed's honour be avenged, and the shame erased.
Of course, the last means that they will have to conquer the West with bloodshed. Unlikely. It is more likely that the reverse will happen. Islam will then be erased. If OTH they don't do anything, the canker of contempt etc, will sit there in the Islamic world, and eventually destroy Islam. This is the dilemma that Muslims have put themselves in.
Hard choice.
I call for the Pope, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Lutherans of Wittenberg, St Louis, and Chicago, and the Southern Baptists to unite and issue a fatwa condemning Islam for defaming the person and deity of Jesus! Blasphemy a dead pedophile? How about blasphemy against the Son of God?
Mutants.
"The Qur'an has not been expressed using any human's words. Its wording is letter for letter fixed by no one but Allah."
Except, of course, for the Satanic Verses, which
Mohammed couldn't tell from Allah's. Who knows how many more verses that are still in the book came from Satan? And then the Koran wasn't compiled and written down until long after Mo's death, and then it was by human editors, who consulted old men, who tried to remember Mo's words from 40 or 50 years before. Fixed by Allah indeed, what a laugh! And then there's the bit about abrogation. It's the eternal word of the Almighty, but only for 10 or 15 years, when the Almighty changes His mind.
And as for not using "any human's words", is not Arabic a human language? I guess not. That might explain a lot about how inhuman the moslems are.
forgot to note that the quote in my post above is from the USC-MSA link cited by PRCS.
Has this whole world lost the spine to say it like it is?
Why don't they just print what it really means that the "Dutch muslims" really want?
Which is since there are no Dutch laws against what the newspaper did and nobody was killed for insulting thier prophet,they now have to turn to a sharia dominated land to get permission to kill them.
Thats what they are saying in normal human being speak.
We will get permission to murder these people.Plain and simple.
And when they get the permission granted to murder not one single soul in any political field or main stream media will pick up one finger to report how ISLAM and MUSLIMS who are JIHADISTS and TERRORISTS are at fault.
It will be seen as "one or a few" wackos who did the deed.Even as they, the media are the ones who reported that the MUSLIMS plan to go to an ISLAMIC leader ( who praises terror and jihad) for permission in ISLAMS "holy guide" the KORAN (with a backwards K of course)to commit these murders.
The other proof to these idiots that ISLAM and MUSLIMS are the problem is the fact these people they want to kill are in hiding from thier last hissy fit.
Are there any more than me out there that actually have a spine and a sack and who are tired of these people,all of them? Who could push these fools leading us down the dark alley fast asleep out of the way and do what a man has got to do?
If there was a preverbial straw to break the camels back (besides the horny muslim man up it's ass)wouldn't you think endless death threats and endless murderous action would be it?
IT IS.
When i talk about muslims i mean them all.Apologists of the filth in every disguise.The fatwas against you are soon comming.
You have had your fifteen minutes of fame you losers now prepare to re enter your islamic gutters.
You maggot sucking zombies.
A lot of people defending the freedom of the press in here.Thats good for folks like JW,DW,FPM,TROP and a host of others.
But now how about the media defend the freedom of the press and whats more how about they dust off thier long forgotten code of ethics.
Better yet why don't they call a spade a spade as thier guidlines call for?
It's pathetic really how the MSM runs from these idiots out of fear.yet it amazes me how they coddle them at the same time.
It's all one big fat joke that some are not finding very funny,not at all.
”Until now nobody has had to answer for insulting our prophet."
Its your prophet, not ours. Get it?
I did not know that"fatwa" was a Danish word.
MAKE OUR DAY, islamo-bitches!!!
M.A.K.E O.U.R. D.A.Y ! ! ! !
FORCE THE HANDS OF OUR EURO-dhimmiticians!! DO us the FAVOR!! And HELP us AWAKEN our countrymen all over Europe.
Holger Danske - Vågner!!!! Muftis RAUS!!
Noone wants your fleabitten behinds.. from Israel all the way to the North Pole!! You are totally
Puck fisglam!
How about a fatwa against the photo known as "[urinate] Christ? He was a muslim prophet, too, you know.
Posted by: Bigfoot
Uh, he's a moslem prophet of convenience. Whenever it's suits their propagnda.
I have a feeling you know this already.
give them the boot. i dont give a hoot about their toot. the islamistas are not astute. deposit them in a cannon and aim for mecca and shoot. dont forget to write.
,,f777k the prophet..
fugghe the mo prophetess and by the way islam see you in hell caus i periodically go there..everyone in hell laughs at islam becuz it is just silly ass..
When dealing with some Allah-loving Barbarian Muslim, and you want to shut him up?
Ask "Where was Allah during the Arab-Israeli 1967 Six-Day War?"
Notice that Arabs NEVER mention the above? Which shows how sensitive the subject is for them! Ergo - Ask that simple question, and watch a Muslim squirm.
Here is what you all missed: A FATWA is nothing more than a formal declaration of WAR. "Oh, someone declared war against me - Oh well: Oh hum."
Here is what you all missed: A FATWA is nothing more than a formal declaration of WAR. "Oh, someone declared war against me - Oh well: Oh hum."