Capitulation. "France: Hizbullah not a terror group," from the Jerusalem Post (thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist):
Hizbullah is part of Lebanese politics and must not be regarded as a terror organization, said the French Foreign Ministry in a statement Thursday night.The statement was an apparent about-turn by France after President Nicolas Sarkozy said that Hizbullah was indeed a terrorist group when he met with the captured IDF soldiers' families in Paris last week. Thursday's statement was prompted by protests from Hizbullah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah.
France is scheduled to host a conference Saturday bringing together representatives of rival Lebanese leaders, including senior Hizbullah representatives, in an effort to address the Lebanon's political deadlock.
The conference, set to continue until Monday, is not expected to achieve any major breakthroughs and has been described more as an icebreaking meeting between foes.
....Nasrallah is another thug who has overstayed his visit on earth....
The French must have a surrender gene.
Hizballah is not a terrorist group? I guess this makes terrorism a mere figment of the imagination.
Maybe there is something in the Perrier they drink.
The reason that there is evil in the world is that good people ignore it.
Right before the nazis occupied Paris - the Germans were no problem at all.
From Hezbollah Charter:
We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev’s and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.
http://www.eyeonislam.com/the-hezbollah-charter/
Nicolas Sarkozy, who was so good in publicly dismantling the sinister Tariq Ramadan -- the book by Caroline Fourest, by the way, has now been Englished and will be published by, I think, Encounter Books -- needs to forget about Olivier Roy, and Gilles Kepel, and be true to himself, or to his own best self, and also cease to stumble around the swamp attempting to finally reach the ignis fatuus of Muslim "integration." France should once again be the champion of the Christians in Lebanon, and Christians and Christian interests now threatened all over the Middle East by or if it will not be, do everything to help the Americans and especially the Israelis to do so.
There is no need for Sarkozy to listen to "experts" on Islam, those in the Quai d'Orsay presumably being the same predictable kind as those in famous "Arabists" in the Foreign Office or the State Department, for whom Islam is a mere afterthought, while the real business of living is "recycling petrodollars" (often by their friends, or themselves after they leave office) and in throwing Israel, not exactly kicking and screaming, to the howling or smiling Arab wolves, through that al-Hudaibiyya-ignoring "two-state solution" that makes no sense, save the throwing-to-the-wolves sense just alluded to.
He need not stumble deeper into the swamp of appeasement, foreign and domestic, trying to get hold of the ignis fatuus labelled "integration of the Muslim population." Will-o'the-wisps are not a dignified goal, not for American presidents in Iraq, not for French presidents discombobulated by their own banlieues.
The French are really gone now. Such high hopes for Sarkozy, no hopes for Gordon Brown.
The former disappoints: the latter up to expectation:((
Makes me wonder if the French Foreign Ministry are undermining Sarkozy the way our State Department undermines Bush.
Interviewer: "Is Hezbollah a terror organization?"
Hezbully: "Well, sir, humana, humana, it's a ... um...well, it's a shiite muslim organization."
Interviewer: "A moslem organization?"
Hezbully: "Ma'shallah, yes, sir."
Question: "Never mind my question."
Nasrallah protests and France kowtows?
That speaks volumes, doesn't it?
Can I get an order of Charles Martel to go?
There's no need for Islamists to do it, France is holding a sword up to its own collective throat.
Why is anybody trying to talk to the Muslims? Are you all blind? They are insane, not rational, and there is no cure! Check it out!! "And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will make Jerusalem a burdensome stone to all people: all that shall lift it up shall be rent and torn, and all the kingdoms of the earth shall be gathered together against her. 4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will strike every horse with astonishment, and his rider with MADNESS [Zac. 12,3].
Think about it! How could the Moslems be sane? And their war machines? Do you know that all over the world they still fight on horseback? Are they not driven mad? Is not the whole military establishment driven mad world-wide? Is this not the end? It is too late to talk - even the Pope knows it.
Wasn't it the French Foreign Minister who also said that perhaps Bush was behind 9/11? Since so many people believed it then it could be true?
a troofer?
There seems to be something that separates the French from morals....
wow, hezbollah was the group that started the 'suicide bombers' type of killings.
Are the French just naturally stupid or do they work at it?
The Nazi's were not a terrorist organization either.
The Israelis are not a terrorist organization and I don't see France running to improve relations with them.
Nicolas Sarkozy, who was so good in publicly dismantling the sinister Tariq Ramadan -- the book by Caroline Fourest, by the way, has now been Englished and will be published by, I think, Encounter Books -- needs to forget about Olivier Roy, and Gilles Kepel, and be true to himself, or to his own best self...
Posted by: Hugh at July 13, 2007 12:22 PM
I'm not so sure it's the influence of Roy, Kepel, et al, at work here. Didn't Sarkozy's foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner pay a visit to Lebanon very soon after being appointed? And of course, Sarkozy is probably being advised by the same wunneful civil servants that Chirac relied on.
It's because the Fwench love Lebanon, their former colony. They hold "francophonie" meetings -- (it's to promote Fwench language, "culture", cheeses, surrendering, etc.) I recall a former Prime Minister of Canada, Chretien, shaking the hands of Nazrallah at a Francophonie (emphasis on phony) summit in Lebanon. They all just love Nazrallah and the Hezbollah.
Kouchner is fine when it comes to Tariq Ramadan. But it's the medecins-sans-frontieres stuff, the NGO stuff, the being nice to the whole wide world stuff, that is worrisome. One needs those who are a bit harder in their view of the world, who may be cruel only to be kind. After all, if you had the best interests of Muslims at heart, what would you wish for them? You would wish that the mental tyranny of Islam could lose its grip over as many of them as possible, wouldn't you? You would want them disenthralled from the very thing that holds them in thrall, but which they themselves have so much difficulty recognizing as the source of their political, economic, and social failures, their intellectual and moral desarroi. Not sure that Kouchner, a nice man (he used to be on NPR more a few years ago, when he spent a kind of sabbatical in America, at Harvard Medical School), has the necessary iron fist in the velvet glove, metaphorically speaking, of, for example, Bat Ye'or. Or for that matter, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Ali Sina, and Ibn Warraq. And that is needed.
I disagree with many here: Hezbollah (and Hamas for that matter) should not be seen as a terrorist organisation for precisely the reasons given by the French government. That said, the French government should not be giving Hezbollah the time of day.
Hezbollah is a political movement, and an extremist one at that. It is also part of the Lebanese political establishment, not some paramilitary gang.
Its policies and world-view are based on religious supremacism and they are brutally repressive. I do not see any moral difference between Hezbollah and, for instance, the AWB Party in South Africa, between Nasrallah and Eugene Terrblanche. White supremacism and religious supremacism should be regarded with equal contempt by all compassionate, rational people.
For these reasons alone, Hamas and Hezbollah should be treated as social pariahs. They may indeed provide hospitals and schools, and bring law and order to the streets but so did the governments in apartheid South Africa - they looked after their own and brutalised their opponents too.
Why should Western governments deal with these thugs? How is repression on the basis of religious grounds any different to repression on the basis of racial grounds? Theocratic dictators are as morally despicable as racist dictators, after all.
A political movement cant be a terror group???????????????????????
I disagree with many here: Hezbollah (and Hamas for that matter) should not be seen as a terrorist organisation for precisely the reasons given by the French government.
Posted by: A Nonny Nonny
A Nonny Nonny,
... and those reasons that Hizbullah and Hamas should not be seen as terrorist organizations are? Because Hizbullah is part of Lebanese politics? That's it? Is there further illumination buried within "the reasons given by the French government"?
How do groups that use indiscriminate murder to effect the destruction of Israel NOT qualify as terrorist?
The painting of Hizbullah and Hamas with the broad brush of religious supremacism so you can use the opportunity to throw darts at what I am sure is a large amorphous tent (in your world) of "white supremacism and religious supremacism" is a typical ploy of the Left ... the "it's all bad, and this is no worse" moral blurring that enables you to arrive at the core falsehood which you are putting forth ... that Hizbullah and Hamas are not terrorist organizations ... This is preposterous.
Ironic Nonny brought up South Africa. The world was united to bring down apartheid but isnt united to bring down jihad and jihadist regimes like Hezbollah and Hamas who are worse IMHO.
I see a parallel here.. the US State Department = French Foreign Ministry.
Happy Bastille Day!
Allah you are dead on with your parallel. With Condi, Bush could remove her if he felt he wasnt representing his policy.
What do you expect? Islam wants to destroy and slaughter the Jews and historically speaking, so had Europe (which ultimately resulted in the Holocaust.) I don't see a difference between then and now. (My apologies to the Europeans that don't have this hatred of Jews)
Yalla ya Nasrallah..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8epm1aRAHFk
Enjoy!!
...and now I'd like to declare that idiocy is not a form of stupidity...pathetic.
From Hugh:
"Kouchner is fine when it comes to Tariq Ramadan. But it's the medecins-sans-frontieres stuff, the NGO stuff, the being nice to the whole wide world stuff, that is worrisome"
Oh, so true. In Kosovo just prior to NATO's bombing, MSF were active. They ONLY used Kosovo Albanians for any duties, drivers, interpreting, etc.
They never used ethnic Serbs, Macedonians, etc.
They also ONLY used Albanian houses, etc for staying in.
They were so anti Serb in their stance that the KLA threatened a Kosovo Albanian doctor who was working in a regular Serb hospital, ordering him to work for the KLA friendly MSF.
He refused so they murdered him. I'll find the name.
Also see what happened to the Greek chapter of the MSF during NATO's heroic Dhimmi bombing campaign of Serbia.
NGO's are the curse of the world. An ulterior underlying political reason in 95% of their cases.
A pox on 'em all.
Hezbollah is NOT a terrorist group. Thanks to Olmert, the UN and Iran they are a state within a state.
They are not a terror group.
They are a terror quasi-state.
Even worse.
It's a desert topping and a floor wax!
On the 14 of July we celebrate Bastille Day in Paris. There was a fantastically well organised parade with incuded troops from all the 27 countries of the European Union.
And who was the guest of honour for this highlight of the French calendar:
The Sheik of Qatar, whose son has been training for the last 3 years in St Cyr.
The sheik sat to the right of President Sarkozy at the front of the podium on the Place de la Concorde.
Of all the people he could have invited, it had to be the Sheik of Qatar.
Anyway my tricolor is hanging at my window and 2 neighbours have thanked me for me efforts
And I suppose that Hamas is not a terrorist organization because it is part of the Palestenian politics. Perhaps the better alternative would be to marginalize any government that has a terrorist group as a part of it, rather than saying that being a part of the political structure in a country means you are not a terrorist.
LE MONDE, PARIS - In a quick follow up to its claims that Hizb'allah is not a terrorist group, the French Foreign Ministry has just announced that it has added the "Salvation Army" to its list of Terrorist Organizations. French Foreign Ministry Spokesperson, Francois Croissant said Friday afternoon, "Zeez seelly American shops zat calls zemselves zee Sehlvetions Urmee should be whapped off zee plennet. Zeez durtee peoples, zay sell zeez durtee, ratty cloothz to zee peoples to wear. Ziss eez a crehm againz zee hoomahnitee. Zeez Sehlvetions Urmee terroreests; Zey frahten all zee clean people of zee high zense of zee fashions. Zeez tewwowists frehm zee Sehlvetions Urmee do nussing but hold zee peace lehveeng and zee toleerant people frehm zee fashion industree ostedge. Zey tweest zee true meaning of zee fashion industree to meet zehr own seeck view of zee fashion wowld wiss zehr durtee, ratee, used fashions. Zee governmaunt of zee Fwance Wepubleek condemns zee tewwowist owhganizashuhn, zee Sehlvetions Urmee. Ooh, I must go now. It eez Fwiday, and I have zhest worked seirty-seex hours and fahv meehnuts. Zat eez fahv meehnuts too long. Au Revoire!