Not only is it absurd moral equivalency. It's also extraordinarily ironic in light of the fact that the Democrats would never, ever call Muslims "jihadists" -- even and perhaps especially the jihadists themselves.
"Democrats Say GOP Complaint of Spending ‘Shutdown’ Strategy Doesn’t Add Up," by Bart Jansen and Alan K. Ota for CQ Today (thanks to Anon):
And while Democrats rebuff Republicans and their accusations of shutdown politics, the majority is throwing some brickbats of its own.“They’ve been stalling,’’ said John W. Olver, D-Mass., chairman of the House Transportation-HUD Appropriations Subcommittee. “They are nihilists. They are jihadists.”
But of course the real jihadists aren't nihilists at all, and assuming they are is just another way in which our learned analysts are missing the point.
LMAO...more "pot calling the kettle black", especially by malignant narcissists, or should I say more appropriately...
QUISLING COLLABORATORS CALLING ANYONE ANYTHING...LOL
Absolutely classic!
ROFL
Yeah coming from the party that thinks "The road to peace goes through Damascus". Reminds of calling the U.S. "nazis".
They called the act of a simple majority in the Senate ending debates on judicial nominees as the 'nuclear' option, or the equivalent of nuclear war in the Senate. Why would this hyperbole surprise anyone?
Correction...When Iran called the USA the nazis.
Can we get John Olver's definition of 'jihad'.
Because all this time the Democrats have been marching all of these iman's and CAIR in front of the public and I had believed (sarcasm)that 'jihad' was an 'inner struggle' and not a 'physical struggle'.
Is John Olver stating that his official position is that 'jihad' is a 'physical act'?
This is no differant then Keith Ellison's Nazi/Hitler comment.
And what.....??....no complaint from CAIR condeming the use of this word? Ohhhh, that's right a Democrat said it, so CAIR will not condemn those that are advancing their cause. Want to see double standard.....let a Republican use the word tomorrow and see CAIR jump into action.
Well.............then were's all the support!
don't they love and protect all jihadist's?
No, jihadists are not "nihilists", they are "moral pessimists".
The Earth, in their dismal view, is a tempting domain where you must resist the sensual lures, submit to misery and repetitous slavery, scoff at the world's temptations of the flesh (except polygamy), all in order to please the will of a capricious tyrant deity who says:
Deny it to yourselves here, and I will give it to you, 72-fold, once you're dead.
So the faithful, mortifying Muslims may finally enjoy what they avoided on earth in the after-life:
Wine, (6 dozen) women and song.
Why go through such an absurd, round-about path to the same thing?
As if there were no wine, women or song to be savored in this realm.
They take a perfectly adequate world, slander it, and then hope to have the identical pleasures that Earth affords in another world.
Pessimists.
And fools.
Denying themselves of a real miracle for a mere promise.
our world "leaders" and other government "representatives" are just confused individuals. we need to vote them out, and tell them we are gonna vote them out and explain to them precisely why we want to fire them.
They're in for one rude shock when they get there...
at the pearly gates, there's a sign that reads:
"Heaven is not a whorehouse!"
Projection.
I hope all who see the Democrats as they are, traitors and worse collabertors! your vote is important and remember at the next election of why you want to kick out the bums..aka Democrats!
They’ve been stalling,’’ said John W. Olver, D-Mass., chairman of the House Transportation-HUD Appropriations Subcommittee. “They are nihilists. They are jihadists.”,
Had to look up 'nihilist'. . . Some of us don't know all the words Robert uses. Just for the record.
Nihilism literally means belief in nothing. As a philosophical position, nihilism is the view that the world, and especially human existence, is without meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. It is more often a charge levelled against a particular idea than a position to which someone is overtly subscribed. Movements such as Dada, Deconstructionism, and Punk have been described by various observers as "nihilist".
I think I got a handle on 'jidadists' after reading this forum. The two words are about as opposite in meaning as one can get IMHO. So I think the congressman just used some words he had read somewhere earlier that day (or was told to use these word some how). Although the dumbacrats have a funny habit of redefining word meanings.
As is so often the case you can take what someone says and turn it around on them and see that it fits them better that the accused. Or you can take the opposite meaning and that fits the accused better.
jcom972-
I think you mean:
"Hell isn't even a whorehouse".
Well we are half way there, Dems admit there are jihadists. Now if we can just get them you use the term appropriately.
They really are like children on a playground, meanwhile the real jihadists are lighting matches to set the school on fire and these children are at recess playing tag your it.
God help America.
They were guilty of treason along time ago. And this is just another example of give an inch take a mile.
Islam, the religion of athiests and liberals.
http://www.weaselzippers.net/blog/2007/07/another-example.html
The first romper room congress but they no longer play tag, tag has been relabeled inappropriate touching besides someone might skin their knee, the horror. Perversity in, tag out. As is said, up is down, carry on.
I realize this point is by now so peripheral to the discussion, anyone is justified in looking askance. But here goes anyway.
Jihadists and mohammed-worshippers ARE nihilists. Far from being polar opposites, they are in fact exactly the same. Please read The Possessed by Dostoyevsky if you doubt it. It doesn't matter what nihilists say they believe, or how they are called or what they call themselves. It matters what in reality is their goal, and their methods of achieving it. Not the ever receding fantasy goal, but their ever-lasting immediate goal of death and destruction, the psychologically satisfying goal, the only goal that truly possesses their souls.
With all respect to the poster above who sought out the definition of nihilist, and came up with, those who believe in nothing, I think the acceptance of that definition is wrong.
mohammed-worshippers claim not to worship mohammed, but they do, in fact, in action, in every significant and pertinent part of their being which matters. Why do we have to accept what they say, as opposed to what they do?
If anyone thinks that "nothing" in the form of death and destruction is not the animating force, psychological and practical, behind jihad, then they are not looking carefully. They are getting confused with meaningless names and concepts.
I am so sorry Robert bought into this idea, that jihad and nihilism have nothing to do with each other.
Just because some jackass said it, doesn't mean it's not true.
And speaking of jackasses, anyone can kick a barn down, they say. It's just that some will do it and say paradise will result, the worker's, allah's, whatever.
To call anyone other than a Muslim a "jihadist" displays extraordinary and truly serious ignorance.
It is doubtful that anyone who calls anyone other than a Muslim a "jihadist" in public and in absolute earnestness is fit to lead in any capacity except, possibly, other inmates to the dining table at a lunatic asylum.
ps- The Dem's as noted certainly aren't calling Islamic terrorists "jihadists" which casts even further doubt on their capacity to lead America to anything other than perdition!
ps- Massachusetts is well and truly deserving of its nickname "nut country!"
Calling jihadists nihilists is something Jamie Glazov, over at frontpagemagazine.com, has done on occasion. Maybe in practice they are nihilists, but in philosophy, not.
I don't want to dismiss the nihilism factor, but I still think it's secondary to malignant narcissistic personality disorder, based on first hand experience.
From an exposure of the same symptoms in describing such notable collaborators as "sicko" mikie-the-moore-on and it bore alarming similarities.
Also see: solypsism
http://www.toddlertime.com/narcissism/what-is-npd.htm
One excerpt...
What distinguishes a mind with this character disorder?
A lack of self. With it comes a total lack of integrity, since integrity springs from the self and the superego. Where others feel character, values, their being, the narcissist has a void. His substitute must be created by worship given by others. To get that, he will manipulate as shamelessly as any sociopath.
A burning self-hate, which he tries to overcome with a malignant ego.
Unrelenting envy of everything and everyone, and the assumption they experience the same. The world is not cooperation, friendship, loyalty. It is comprised of rats clawing their way to the top, and you must tear down the other rats.
"the narcissist MUST deny the existence of any good OUTSIDE himself. The narcissist defends himself against raging, all consuming envy by solipsistically claiming to be the ONLY good object in the world. This is an object that cannot be had by anyone, except the narcissist and, therefore, is immune to the narcissist's threatening, annihilating envy. In order not to be "owned" by anyone (and, thus, avoid self-destruction in the hands of his own envy) the narcissist reduces others to "non-entities" (the narcissistic solution), or avoids all meaningful contact with them altogether (the schizoid solution). The suppression of envy is at the CORE of the narcissist's being. If he fails to convince his self that he is the ONLY good object in the universe he is exposed to his own murderous envy. If there are others out there who are better than he he envies them, he lashes out at them ferociously, uncontrollably, madly, hatefully and spitefully." Source.
A manipulative streak. Where there is no self and no superego, there is no integrity, and where one is the universe, one is entitled to do anything. The persons manipulated ... well, they aren't really persons, after all, and deserve no better. Thus the narcissist both craves adulation from his fans, but also despises them for it. How can one filled with self-scorn respect those he can manipulate into adoring him?
Finally, a sado-masochist streak. The narcissist must hurt, punish, humiliate, others. Narcissists can drive the knife in and twist it on those closest to them, those they actually respect. If they're not loved after the punishment--which is always minimized and the other's hypersensitivity maximized--its a sign they weren't really loved in the first place--a betrayal. Add one more to the long list. If the victim abides the punishment, it's proof of the narcissist's worth and power--like the wife-beater who brags the wife's acceptance of his abuse as evidence she worships him. Power is the ability to make people suffer. Either way, narcissists get the payoff, betrayed martyrdom or demonstrable power.
jocm972:
Yes, yes, yes, to the spirit of your post above.
The brilliant Ali Sina has made a similar analysis, locating the malignancy of jihad and mohammed-worship in the the narcissist personality.
But nihilism is not secondary to narcissism and solipsism. They are all part of the same puerile personality type, that is, the type of personality which was never taught, or never wanted to learn, right from wrong, the golden rule.
It is not at all a mystery. mohammed-worshippers truly are the bullies and jackass idiots we all have met in every day life. It's all about them, accompanied by absurd actions and proclamations that it is not about them, and that everyone else is abhorrent for not acquiescing to their absurdities.
Everyday criminals, jihadis, nihilists ... whatever.
Gee, don't moonbats say the darndest things???
Did i read that correctly? Dems called the Rep. JIHADISTS?
SHHH whats that sound?
The suction sound f the Dems withdrawing back into thier holes.
What a freaking joke this whole thing has become.
We have people defending themselves being called Hitler and the KKK by Hitlers and a different supremecy group.
Now we have half our political party calling the other half terrorists as they themselves oppose laws protecting people from Jihadists.
Has the Dems gone so far into the camp of no return as to start calling others what they themselves have become? As Islam does.
Pathetic people.
A guy could get rich on betting who would say the stupidest thing first the Dems or the Rep. But you would have to know who got up the earliest.Which one eats the worm.
Hmmm...ok, though we may differ in the primary/secondary, I firmly believe we're on the same page, so I will leave that end wide open for further discussion in the matter...
Suffice it to say this is very disturbing, and is a critical element in he entire equation...with which we ignore at our own peril.
(thinking of Sun Tzu- know thine enemy).
Kudo's to ya, Moonzoo. ^5s
A Dhimmicrat calling Republicans "jihadists." Can't get much richer than this. Oh yeah.
"the narcissist MUST deny the existence of any good OUTSIDE himself. The narcissist defends himself against raging, all consuming envy by solipsistically claiming to be the ONLY good object in the world."
jcom972:
Sheesh, I thought you were talking about liberals! Look at the lefties in Hollywood. The most narcissistic people in the world.
It would seem the honorable representative has vilified the concept of jihad. How very Islamophobic of him. Has anyone notified CAIR of this bigoted statement? When can we expect CAIR to demand an apology and the honorable representative's resignation? Will the Madame Speaker institute Islamophobia sensitivity training for all representatives to prevent further statements linking jihad with evildoers?
My Michigan vote is a waste (President & Senate). The Republicans in this state are so stupid that they can't put an electable Senatorial candidate (Butler) against the Dems. They voted for a career politician white cop (Buchard) - like he would be able to get ONE VOTE in Detroit. Wake up Michigan - and wake up America.
We have to give credit to the cretin for making the word "Jihadist" less taboo. Maybe one day it will be okay to call Jihadists Jihadists, if only because the term has been diluted by misuse and overuse.
In a certain sense, anyone who brings the term Jihadist or Jihadi more into the general lexicon is doing a service. Maybe one day the mainstream media will use these terms instead of the silly generic "militant."
I do hope the concept of Jihad, already apparently ill-defined in Arabic, will come to encompass those who struggle even without direct violence to bring about Dar al Islam in the West, i.e. CAIR in the US and MPAC in the UK.
The way CAIR uses the legal system, the way the MSA browbeats universities for unprecedented special accommodation, isn't this also a tool of Jihad?
The Muslim program of gaining dominance involves Jihad and Dawa. Dawa is basically proselytizing. Jihad is all other means of aggressive intimidation, be it physically violent or verbally coercive or legal.
Submission is the goal. Orthodox Islam requires the submission of the world, a project that is doomed, as was Communism. Either a heterodox Islam evolves, which should go by a different name entirely and drop its Arabian peninsula conquest ideology baggage, or this totalitarian ideology will go extinct.
The sooner the West develops the backbone and post-PC willingness to pose these questions of Islam, the sooner any redeeming spiritual features of Islam can develop into something new without the totalitarian underpinnings. Is this even possible? Who knows? One must ask the so-called moderate Muslims.
Like I said on my earlier post I had to look it up. I am not up to speed from the psychological POV. I was thinking more from the theological POV. Not that allah is the real god but that they have that belief verse nothing.
I generally agree as far as I can understand what has been said. Taking Moonzoo and jocm972 points of an individual I see then applying to islam as taught in the koran as well.
Concerning the congress, like one post said "They really are like children on a playground" that is how this idiot acted because he didn't get his way.
The Dems think Bush is the enemy. That is why they are wasting all the energy on him instead of dealing with the real enemy,ISLAM.
Islam is the Great Positive Negative.
It engages its Submissives in (by their logic) "positive behavior", by their active destruction of -and flight from- this transitory world and toward the permanent next.
Islam is a kind of humanoid anti-matter in its actions toward the Earth.
All of its sanctified depravities being done for the perfect theory of a posthumous paradise.
In effect, Islam is earthly nihilism, for otherwordly idealism.
In short, they're schizophrenic.
Or, in laymen's terms, nuts.
Republicans are jihadists? Shouldn't he be accommodating them in that case? Methinks he be a bit confused.
The ‘world’s oldest democracy’ has had very restrictive voter eligibility for most of its history. Women couldn’t vote until 1920, and the democracy became pure just over a generation ago. The current (14%?) congressional approval rating is a reflection of the fact that we as an electorate don’t think very highly of ourselves. If the Founding Fathers’ voter eligibility criteria were in place today, Representative Olver would not be serving as a County dogcatcher. Massachusetts used to put out politicians like John Adams and his son. Look at it’s current Senators. If you’re really brave, look at who relieved Governor Romney.
At the risk of sounding like a kook, Congressional approvals are in the teens, Presidential approvals are in the twenties, and military approvals are in the seventies. Guess what happens when the Problem of Overproduction goes away and recess ends. A military government was one of Plato’s favorites. In Plato’s eyes the only thing worse than a democracy was a dictatorship (because democracy leads to dictatorship).
“The probable outcome of too much freedom is only too much slavery in the individual and the state. Probably, then, tyranny develops out of no other constitution than democracy--from the height of liberty, I take it, the fiercest extreme of servitude.”
Just read something in the Bible about Ishmael, the illegitimate son of Hagar the slave, by Abraham. Ishmael is considered the ancestor of the Arab people.
God says to Hagar:
"You are now pregnant and shall bear a son;
you shall name him Ishmael,
For the Lord has heard you,
God has answered you.
He shall be a wild ass of a man,
his hand against everyone,
and everyone's hand against him;
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers."
Genesis 16:12
pez:
You don't sound like a kook at all. After all, Plato and TS Eliot would agree with you.
Wimbledon Womble:
"The Muslim program of gaining dominance involves Jihad and Dawa. Dawa is basically proselytizing. Jihad is all other means of aggressive intimidation, be it physically violent or verbally coercive or legal.
Submission is the goal. Orthodox Islam requires the submission of the world, a project that is doomed, as was Communism. Either a heterodox Islam evolves, which should go by a different name entirely and drop its Arabian peninsula conquest ideology baggage, or this totalitarian ideology will go extinct."
If I were an alien coming first time to Earth, I would ask first whether Jihad is a spiritual personal journey, or a political struggle for world conquest. Next I would ask if Democrats in the USA are Americans, or do they honor the enemy. Where I come from, blind submission to force is slavery. If America's historical ideals of liberty and justice have lost their meaning, than the Land of the Free is ready to submit back to slavery. Was the American Revolution, and many wars since, all fought for naught? If I were an alien, I would shake my head in despair. What a waste of humanity, from freedom to slavery in a few steps of submission by those who were elected to office by the people.
If I were an alien, I would predict there is no chance Democrats will take the White House in 2008, if freedom is in the American heart. If not, I go back to my world, and watch Earth devolve by a thousand years. Womble, I agree, Orthodox Islam is extinct, and 2008 will prove it, or else it will be the biggest war of extinction since Neanderthals.
Atheling;
Maybe we’re both nuts.
The Genesis verses are interesting. Ishmael is the Biblical name. In the Qu’ran the name is Ismail.
‘Ismail Ax’ was Cho’s nom-de-guerre. Think about Ismail Ax and
He shall be a wild ass of a man,
his hand against everyone,
and everyone's hand against him;
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers."
In a sense jihad and nihilism are related; muslims wish to destroy Western Civilization, all non-islamic civilizations, and replace them with "improved" social, political, and religious institutions. They seek to impose in the place of existing cultures/civilizations the desolation of islam and its convenient, three-fold system of culture, religion, and politics/law. This corresponds to the nihilistic belief that all existing political and social institutions must be destroyed for future improvement.
Nihilism also promotes radical governmental and societal changes through terrorism and assassination, which more or less defines jihad minus the suicide bombers. I have always thought of nihilists as impatient iconoclasts who want to make radical changes in a short period of time.
They take a perfectly adequate world, slander it, and then hope to have the identical pleasures that Earth affords in another world. posted by profitsbeard
Since your spirit won't have a body in the after-life, I'm pretty sure you won't need to perform sexual acts...with virgins or otherwise.
Yes, atheling...
The quote I took was from site on/of general psychological perspective...but it was used later to describe michael moore at
http://www.mooreexposed.com
You'll find the psychologist link halfway down the page...
Your perception is very accurate...as it is alarming how both sets of symptoms apply, both in jihadists, as well as the "hollyWEIRD" collaborators.
Your observation is much closer than you thought.
Very astute.
Well done
House Democrat calls Republicans "jihadists"
Then house Republican calls Democrats, "spoiled, treasonous, lying little fuckwads."
Ok, everyone better now?
HOW ABOUT RUNNING THE COUNTRY - YOU USELESS GASBAGS
Sheik yer'mami from Malta:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/27/malta-they-just-keep-coming/
Shiapets protest Wahabi fatwa:
http://www.iqna.ir/en/news_detail.php?ProdID=147818
Al-Azhar U denies Goma fatwahed freedom of choice in religion. Muslims are not about to denounce Sahih Bukhari.
http://www.iqna.ir/en/news_detail.php?ProdID=147903
Well it worked out so well in Gaza.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070727/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_ramon_1;_ylt=Av.M_5Pas4VHumvZTYndn58E1vAI
....dhimmicrat from MASs...must have been listening to Teddy.....ever since Bush was elected the dhimmicrats have accused him of being the enemy, now the dhimmicrats are calling Bushs part Jihadist....it figures....dhimmicrats still do not have a clue about who the real enemy is.....
This should really surprise no one. The Democrats are known to call others names while not even knowing the meaning of the word. And in many cases they are the ones who represent the words that they call others.
It's just an escalation of the war of words. "Terrorist" has lost its sting. We've had political terrorists, financial terrorists, eco-terrorists and I don't know how many others. The word has lost its meaning due to overuse and misuse. George Bush is considered a terrorist by members of the Democratic Party.
Bush has also been called a theocrat and a crusader, soon he'll be a Christian jihadist, along with any member of Congress who considers himself a religious person. Before long the word will have lost all significance. Is this the design?
When Republicans ruled the roost Democrats were outspoken about protecting "the rights of the minority". Now that they are in control they can't stand seeing their own weapons brandished against them and it drives them batty. With no factual arguments on their side, they are reduced to name-calling. What are we going to do about it? Most likely reelect them next year.
With regard to nihilism, my dictionary has several definitions, most of which apply perfectly to the Islamic jihadists. None of them require Islam as a precondition but many are being used currently by Islamic radicals. It can be said that every jihadist is a nihilist but not every nihilist is a jihadist.
1. total rejection of established laws and institutions.
2. extreme skepticism, especially with regard to value statements or moral judgments
3. The principles of a Russian revolutionary group that employed terrorism and assassinations as a means of enforcement.
4. Anarchy, terrorism or other revolutionary activity.
4. Total and absolute destructiveness toward the world at large and oneself
Pez,
Don't read too much into Congress's low approval ratings. For too long, Americans have despised Congress but they continue to think their own representatives are God's gift to America.
Congress might have low approval ratings next November but eighty percent or more of those who seek reelection will win.
Too many of us think ours is the only good man in Congress.
At least they no longer believe jihad is some kind of spiritual yoga.
Keep up the good work jihadwatch!!!
Islam does not cause 'shizophrenia' in muslims. Shizophrenia is caused by smoking POT, according to a rediculous study done in Britain. Muslims dont smoke pot as a general rule, but some politicians do, especially liberal democrats. If smoking one joint gives one a 40% greater chance of becomming schizophrenic, and 14% actually are inflicted, as the study indicates, then there are a lot of schizophrenic liberals running around. Maybe Olver just hallucinated the whole thing about 'jihadists'. Auditory hallucinations are common with schizophrenia...lots of liberals have them. The problem is, that shizophrenia is a pyschosis, so it is not a matter that that infected liberal/democrats are 'slightly off, they are psychotic. (if you dont believe that, look at Hairy Reed)
Pot smoking did that to them...Muslims dont have to put up with schizohrenia, their psychosis is called 'Allahphrenia', Similar, but different. Show me a liberal democrat in Washington that has never smoked pot, and I will show you a republican in disguise.
The downside...The US is being run by a bunch of psychotic, dope smoking, liberals.
The up-side...their psychosis is showing...They should have never smoked that pot...
"Either a heterodox Islam evolves,which should go by a different name entirely and drop its Arabian penisula conquest ideology baggage, or this totalitarian ideology will go extinct."
-Wimbledon Womble
Such an evolution would no longer be islam because it would contradict the heart of islam as portrayed through its prophet's examples and would therefore,contradict the word of allah.
Large brick wall there.
This reminds me of when noted personal injury lawyer and Dem. supporter Fred Baron - he headed up finance for John Kerry and has raised a lot of money for John Edwards - told a British reporter than he was declaring "jihad" on legislators who supported medical liability reform....
One would HOPE that these people just don't have a true grasp of the meaning of the word...but I think that might be overly optimistic.
I wonder, though, why Jihad Watch is the ONLY mention I've seen of this?....