Global jihad. "Car bombs are linked with Iraq’s Al-Qaeda," by David Leppard for the TimesOnline (thanks to the Constantinopolitan Irredentist):
AT least one of the suspects being quizzed over the alleged plot to set off car bombs in Britain was in recent contact with Al-Qaeda in Iraq, senior security officials said yesterday.Scotland Yard’s Counter Terrorism Command SO15 is understood to have uncovered evidence that in the months leading up to the attacks one or more of the suspects communicated by telephone or e-mail with terrorist leaders in Iraq.
The development has fuelled a theory that the failed attacks in London and Glasgow were designed as a farewell to Tony Blair to punish him for his role in Iraq. Details of the Al-Qaeda role in the three failed car bombings are expected to emerge over the next few days.
The development suggests that intelligence received by MI5 earlier this year about a possible Al-Qaeda attack to mark Blair’s departure was accurate. A report in April by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) warned that a senior Iraqi Al-Qaeda commander had outlined details of a big attack on Britain.
London car bombs are linked with Iraq’s Al-Qaeda
For some reason, I'm not surprised.
muslim demonstrated against "terror" today in london. not one mention of condemnation against the global jhadists only against the means which terror is used on "innocent civilians". i wanna hear them condemn bin laden and alqueda but their silence is deafening.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6280884.stm
"Some naturally raised the issue of foreign policy and we agreed our actions overseas have inadvertently helped the spread of extremist ideas."
"Islam requires us to protect and safeguard the life of civilians".
The declaration also said: "As citizens we will address international issues of concern by promoting political engagement of our people in the democratic processes".
"Foreign policy was mentioned over and over again. Whatever the government or some MPs say, it is a factor that is fuelling extremism."
today iraq/afganistan. tomorrow british culture.
Hey England - Can you stop importing Muslims, or what?
Exactly when did you swallow your Stupid Pill?
Fascinating insight from Iraqthemodel.com, particularly for all you advocates of abandoning Iraq to Al Qaeda and Iran. This guy is an enlightened Muslim who enjoys a cold brew on occasion and his analysis of Islamism is in perfect consonance with most of us here (note his penetrating reference to Darul Islam and what he writes about Al Sadr in the article below this one at his web-site). Anyways, here it is.............
"There's more than numbers for those who want to understand"
It's almost July now, and General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker will present their report about the situation in Iraq, military and political, at some point in September. I don't know what parameters the two men are going to list statistics for in their report but I expect it to show the results of fighting al-Qaeda and other armed groups in numbers, the progress in building the ISF in numbers, also in numbers and of course the report would include the progress, if any, that our political leaders will have made by the time.
I think what matters more than the way of presentation would be how the data in the report is going to be read and afterwards interpreted into attitudes and actions. One thing I hope the decision-makers and the media do when they read the report is to not isolate the war in Iraq from the war on terror and al-Qaeda as a whole, and at the same time put in mind the difference between war and nation-building. The latter takes much more time than winning a military conflict but requires different tools.
The results so far have been astounding, and please allow me to say that I'm proud of the change in attitude many of my fellow Iraqis are showing. Even if numbers don't suggest so because the change is happening but it will take time-perhaps beyond September-before this change will show in numbers. A nation is not a corporation and when we deal with a nation we are dealing with a society; a mass of people with ever changing hearts and minds and that's why numbers alone can't be enough to assess the situation—thoughtful insight and looking at the bigger image are also required.
For over a year the media and many officials were spooking us with the exaggerated ghost of civil war. I wonder what they have to say now! I think their silence is more telling than anything they would've said.
Iraqis are awakening, one very telling example can be seen in the ongoing operation in Diyala; members of the 1920 revolution brigades, once bitter enemies of the US military and Iraqi government are now assisting US and Iraqi military in fighting al-Qaeda even though the majority of the Iraqi soldiers and officers are Shia.
If the change in exclusively Sunni Anbar is good then the change in Diyala is good beyond words.
Another great example that I have personally been in touch with is taking place in a place outside Baghdad. Maybe you remember the story I told you about the area where members of our tribe live. For months unfortunate bloodletting was going on between the tribes, militias and al-Qaeda terrorists in which most of the victims were no more than innocent farmers.
Last week I learned from relatives that two groups of tribes have separately formed two "battalions" of several hundred young tribesmen each; not to fight the other sect or the US or Iraqi forces but to fight al-Qaeda. Even better this step has been taken in cooperation with the authorities in the region and the arrangement will ultimately lead to turning many of those tribal fighters into legitimate law enforcement personnel.
Despite such examples of many promising changes, we have to remain realistic and not overlook the rest of challenges. Uniting against al-Qaeda and even defeating it is not enough to solve all of Iraq's problems and the greater challenge of nation-building still lies ahead.
However, I expect and hope the world to show some gratitude to the Iraqis and Americans who fought, suffered, bled and died ridding the world of thousands of al-Qaeda terrorists, each one of whom could have been capable of murdering as many innocent people as their fellow terrorists did in New York, London or the many cities across the world that paid a high price simply because they don't approve of the ways of those extremists.
....we will still need help from the world; not with more soldiers and tanks but with good will, compassion and thoughtful advice and guidance.
Limbaugh mentioned the Islam threat for the first time last year.
Savage has picked up the call for banning Muslim immigration last month.
Last week, Cal Thomas called elements of Islam a cancer.
This morning, Fox allowed advocates of ending Muslim immigration to present their cases.
Drip, drip, drip, trickle.
Greetings:
Half a step forward, two steps back.
Complacency is an enemy, too.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article2039719.ece
Al Qaeda, al schmaeda...
Whatever they call themselves, is irrelevant. One group of many, a group like a thousand others that share the same goals, that live by the same rules and read the same book: The Koran.
Hamas or Fatah, the ‘Al Aqsa Martyr’s Brigades’-, Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines, Jemah Islamiyah in Indonesia, Taliban in Afghanistan and so-called Janjaweed in Darfur; To us infidels or ‘kuffars’ it should be irrelevant what these fanatics call themselves: All belong to a totalitarian belief-system called Islam, all are soldiers for Allah, all are willing to kill and die to make Islam dominate, to make the world Islamic, and to either kill or forcibly convert us infidels, unless we submit to live as slaves under Islamic rule and pay the Jiziyah ‘with willing submission’...
All are united under the black flag of Islam and use terror, illegal immigration, intimidation, blackmail, kidnappings, all kinds of fraud, deceit and genocide to make the world Islamic.Their ultimate goal is to bring about the caliphate, which is nothing other than world domination under the sharia.
The nutroots are irritated because they were doctors this time. What's the big deal? The Muhammedans have already hundreds of lawyers furthering Islam in the West, so why not doctors or any other highly skilled persons?
They are soldiers for Allah and they follow their ideology, nothing else. Especially not the hypocritc oath...
Pez, I saw that debate on Fox today. Still seemed like they were all clueless except one or 2. One called it unconstitutional to ban immigration based on religion or country of origin.
First drip, then trickle, then somes stream. After a while it becomes a flow.
It's not easy to unlearn 40 years of conditioning.
Hi Elric66 -
Well, the Constitution needs to be changed, then. Because of the Koran and it's instructions to kill everyone not Islamic, Muslims present a special case.
They should be outlawed from any countries besides their own Islamic ones. End of Story.
Deport now. Stop Muslim immigration, now.
But, but, but British MP George Galloway said there is NO connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda!
And everybody knows George would no more tell a lie than his friends Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro would lie!
"I told the world, contrary to your claims, that Iraq had no connection to al-Qaeda."
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/George_Galloway#On_His_Party.27s_Alleged_Common_Cause_With_Young_British_Muslims
Its unconstitutional? Are these people playing with a full deck? Where do they find these numbskulls? We have a long history of immigration exclusion. Enforce the laws that are on the books!
1891
“Congress makes "persons suffering from a loathsome or a dangerous contagious disease," those convicted of a "misdemeanor involving moral turpitude," and polygamists ineligible for immigration. Congress also establishes the Office of the Superintendent of Immigration within the Treasury Department.”
1901
“After President William McKinley is shot by a Polish anarchist (September 6, 1901) and dies a week later (September 14, 1901), Congress enacts the Anarchist Exclusion Act, which prohibits the entry into the US of people judged to be anarchists and political extremists.”
http://ocp.hul.harvard.edu/immigration/dates.html
Both of those should be used against the islamists here and abroad.
More constitutional states rights concerning immigration.
http://federalistblog.us/2006/07/delegated_powers_immigration.html
These talking heads really need to read and comprehend the Constitution the Bill of Rights as well as all the history that goes along with it. Sheesh, they wouldn’t make the 8th grade debating team how in the world did they end up on fauxnews? Oh yeah, comprehensive institutional stupidity, that’s how.
“Hey England - Can you stop importing Muslims, or what?”
Sure, when the rest of the world does (including the good old US of A).
“Exactly when did you swallow your Stupid Pill?”
Apparently before we exported some of our population across the Atlantic, to judge by this post.
How is this possible?
Iraq isn't in "Asia".
I thought this was all about "Asians"?
darcy, that was rather rude. Sure, there are stupid stories of dhimmitude coming out of England but don't fool yourself into thinking that it's not happening here in the USA either.
From the article:
If that's the farewell they planned for Tony Blair, what kind of going away party do they have planned for George W. Bush? Hang on, it may be a bumpy year and a half. Who knows, even though we're Fighting Them Over There, we may still end up Fighting Them Over Here.
Especially since we haven't done anything to stop them from Coming Over Here.
Frankly, I'm tired of hearing that this terrorist or that terrorist had ties to Al-Qaeda. All that does is keep the sheeple feeling safe because it's big-bad-mean-ole AL QAEDA who wants to kill you and not a billion muslims.
Sadly, it is going to take 2 more 9/11-type of attacks to FINALLY get ppl to start to realize that it has nothing to do with Al-Qaeda and everything to do with what they are ALL taught in their koran.
There is no other religion that debases followers of other religions so blatantly as muslims with the word 'infidel.' There is no other religion that is used as justification to kill said infidels. There is no other religion that is tied idealogically to a political belief system whose sole aim is to convert the world to it.
"London car bombs are linked with Iraq’s Al-Qaeda"
And also to our very own police force. The Daily Mail reports today that the police have EIGHT employees who have links to terrorism, some have been to terrorist training camps in the middle East. You'd assume that they have been arrested, or fired at the very least, but NO; it's against their human rights!!!!!
We have terrorists working for the police in my country with no way to to remove them! They can supply information to their fellow terrorists and what happens to them? NOTHING.
Let me repeat WE HAVE TERRORISTS WORKING FOR THE POLICE WITH NO WAY TO REMOVE THEM.
When we do have another SUCCESFULL terrorist attack on this country we can all rest easy knowing that we have protected the rights of known terrorists who work for OUR OWN POLICE FORCE!
What sort of a retarded country am I living in for Christs sake.
If there is anyone left in the American government with any balls, INVADE MY COUNTRY. We will welcome you with open arms. Send your G.I.'s, send your police, send everything you have, but PLEASE help the British people fight off the destruction of our country that is being waged AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN by the people who are supposed to be our leaders, but seem to think they are our masters.
This country is fucked. We need help.
Tgusa: I would argue that excluding a religious group or even part of a religous group will definitely fall under the highest scrutiny standard under the Constitution and will fail that test. I've written elsewhere on this site and I will state again what I have averred and that is that the damn Muslims will use our First Amendment to disallow exclusion of any or all of them on the basis of their faith. Excluding those with infectious disease or even avowed secular anarchists is one thing (and even here many modern liberal organizations and liberal judges would take up these causes), but banning someone because they belong to a particular faith, even if that faith is also a political ideology, which Islam alone among the major creeds of the world is, will almost assuredly violate the First Amendment. I wish this wouldn't be the case but I am virtually certain the First will be interpreted to the benefit, and not the detriment, of the Islamic creed and would thus override any statute passed by Congress or a state legislature. No, I am almost entirely convinced that the only way to exclude Muslims from America, something I would welcome because Islam is not good for democracy, progress, tolerance, women's rights and many other things sensible people should cherish, is by another constitutional amendment making Islam the exception to the First Amendment. And doing that will itself be a gigantic hurdle. America's in trouble.
Darcy wrote :-
Hey England - Can you stop importing Muslims, or what?
Exactly when did you swallow your Stupid Pill?
1997, when we allowed Labour to take control. A date that will go down in history (if we have one) as the year that Britain (Or England as some like to say) gave over control to a bunch of idots bent on the destruction of our culture, our country, and our sovereignty.
anyone watching fox news "muslims against terror" right now? im amazed some muslim just stated that saudia arabia needs to be wiped out, he stated that the saudis are fuelling wahabbism in the west. thank you that man, shame that bush and co are best mates with the saudis.
why was this program banned?
OT. From Timur:
"But, but, but British MP George Galloway said there is NO connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda!"
Timur, at the time of the 2003 invasion there were no Al Qaeda Hussein links.
Everyone's admitted this.
Being a member of the MB in Saddam's Iraq would guarantee a rather short life expectancy. Death would include chat with his security forces who would get their point across with pliars, screw driver and electrodes.
Unlike the US who are now chatting with the MB - Bush forgot to tell us the "war on terror" means having a fireside chat with a cup of tea - Saddam's boys would hone their electric drill skills on any MB caught.
Now, in Iraq , it's a completely different story.
WOOOOOAH!!!! The Iraqi invasion RAAAAAAAAAACKS
From a former NSA director and General
http://www.niemanwatchdog.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=background.view&backgroundid=00192
Just as with Shinseki et al, the Generals counselled caution and prudence....but hey......who cares what a bunch of softly spoken paleo cons have to say when the neocons could swagger and woof so well.
woof woof....bring it on........swagger swagger......mission accomplished.....
We are now talking 1.4 TRILLION dollars,, the previous numbers had been under estimated big time....and counting.....and if you include the indirect costs we're waaaaaay into the trillions.
Bring it on.....strut strut.....punches air.....high fives.......
Hey Darcy.
I dont really think we need to change the constitution. Just classify Islam as a cult, not a religion which is what it really is.
And now this:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=466942&in_page_id=1770&ct=5
Well people you meen their in iraq. Geez o peetz,I'd wager their in America, Britian, Australia,canuckedtada, hell I'll wager a bet ole citgo chavez is hoarden a few.
When Islam and its followers make it overwhelmingly clear that they condemn terrorism against innocent civilians, and that innocent civilians means any person, regardless of religion or nationality, then we can characterize Islam as a religion. Until that happens, Islam should be defined as a dangerous political movement and its followers banned from entry into one's country.
Elric66: Your proposal is not a serious one. Besides, cults are protected by the First Amendment too and I also would submit to you that it will be legally, historically and intellectually impossible not to treat Islam as a religion in a court of law. There's a time to be flippant and jejune. This is not such a time.
DaveMate,
I doubt if America will ever invade Britain unless you were occupied by a foreign country. And your problem is not foreign. It's domestic.
What you will probably see is covert support if your country breaks out into civil war...
And then of course we'll have Congressional hearings a la Iran Contra... but I digress.
Maybe it's time for Britain to have an uprising... you guys have done it before...
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival.
There may even be a worse case: You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
-Winston Churchill
If it comes to that, DaveMate and our other British friends, this American promises to support your fight if I live to see it.
DaveMate
so let me get this right. england football supporters, convicted of overseas football hooligan related crimes, can have their passports confiscated and prevented from leaving the country and forced to report to a police station in their home county whenever england plays. yet, a french/algerian national can slaughter 8 people with a bomb and after his pathethic sentence can travel freely to the UK and gain employment as a traffic warden.
davemate, we are heading into unknown territory in british history. we patriots need to keep united and stay the course. thanks for that link.
The following and the comments show how deeply embedded Dhimmi thinking is.
Comment is Free
The physics of terrorism
"In trying to understand the increased threat to our security, it can help to invoke the spirit of Sir Isaac Newton."
Ajmal Masroor
Robert Pape's analysis "of suicide terrorism from a strategic, social, and psychological point of view. It is based on a database he has compiled at the University of Chicago, where he directs the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism."
"He rejects Frum-Perle view that the root of the problem is in Islam (241-44). “Rather, the taproot is American military policy” (244). The notion that Islamic fundamentalism is bent on world domination is “pure fantasy” (244-45). An attempt by the West to force Muslim societies to transform “is likely to dramatically increase the threat we face” (245)
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Pape is Dhimmi Deep Thought.
atheling
we know that we will count on the thousands of american civilian allies during the coming troubles. thank you.
"The ultimate answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything" aka Islam: 42.
"Pape claims to have compiled the world’s first “database of every suicide bombing and attack around the globe from 1980 through 2003 — 315 attacks in all” (3). “The data show that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world’s religions. . . . Rather, what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland” (4). It is important that Americans understand this growing phenomenon (4-7)."
More from Pape. 315 incidents since 1980. Its interesting that 3000 Americans and Brits were killed in Iraq. Not all were suicides, of course. They must get a lot of mileage out of those 315 incidents to cover a lot of ground.
Cornelius...as to the "tribes" .at the end of the day are not they all Muslims (the Koran as the Playbook with ALL THAT entails?) I would certainly like to share your enthosiam...TX very much for any enlightenment for me
Old Atlantic = re life? Christians believe in life, As far as I can tell the Jewish regilion cherishes life too !Only islam seeks to kill non believers, shit even the Southern Babtists ain't gonna kill ya if you don't go to prayers!
Wellington,
Polygamy and political extremism combined with others would slow it down. I’m not sure we can altogether stop it unless we define it as a religious cult that is discriminatory in its bedrock foundation but to be brutally honest I don’t think the first amendment will come into play. The islamists have made themselves clear they want to destroy many of our major cities. If and when they do how much influence do you think say NY will have if the city is a nuclear wasteland, Chicago, LA among others all uninhabitable their residents dead or dying? These are liberal bastions these cities so with them go their constituencies and sadly many of the liberal apologists that you mention. I don’t think that anyone will much care what the few liberal fools that remain have to say at all. The islamists come here and they take jobs among all of us and then they use those jobs to kill us in the name of their religion, what other religion does that, none. What other religion actively and violently attempts to subvert the authority or the laws of the country they are residing in, again none. What other religion preaches inequality between not only sexes but races, that’s right. none. How many religions say that it is ok to stab your sister repeatedly in the chest because she committed some slight to her families honor, you know the answer. We could go on all night but I do agree with you, America is in trouble, and the fact that we are discussing that at all shows that there is a major problem.
Old Atlantic; I think a better name for them would be Islamikazis.
When a business is irresponsible, the bank stops lending it money and the business either becomes responsible or goes bankrupt. When a credit card holder is irresponsible, the bank gives him a credit limit or freezes his account.
The United States is irresponsible and has written checks it can’t cash. The electorate will not become responsible, it will continue to vote itself entitlements until the bank says ‘party’s over’. The social problems that this will create will probably overwhelm the Constitution, at least for a while. People are learning what Islam really is. Islam will not survive the upcoming problems as a legally recognized faith.
Old Atlantic, thanks for the link above. I have already put it up!
Ajmal Masroor donates a fresh, steaming pile of taqiyya:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/08/dont-let-yusuf-islam-ruin-your-day/
sheik yer'mam l agree with you a hundred percent! it does not matter wheter they are al queda or have ties or not, its islam that is a terrorists cult that needs to be taken down. many ways to take it down.
Tgusa: Well, we're on the same page in our antipathy to Mohammed's creed but I think you may very well be underestimating (and I say this respectfully with no animus whatsoever towards you) just how powerful a tool for those who wish us ill the First Amendment can really be. Whether Islam is defined as a religion or a cult does not matter; whether Islam has a political agenda (it does) or not does not matter. The First Amendment will protect it and thus one of our greatest strengths, legally speaking, will be used against us. Something else, you maintain that Islam is discriminatory. Yes, it is, but against whom? It's unbelievers, infidels, dhimmi, like you and me. So what? This kind of discrimination is protected by the Constitution on religious grounds. As for discrimination by Islam based on gender, yes it does, but even here clever Muslims (and their useful idiot lawyers) will swear that Islam raises woman up and "guards her private parts" the way Allah mandates. Again, this will be protected by the First Amendment. And I must take exception to your claim that Islam discriminates upon the basis of race. It does not. I have numerous objections to Islam, but it is not true that Islam cares a fig about race. Yes, Arab slave traders into the present time have done terrible things to blacks, but this is not Islam in theory and thus will have no relevance in courts of law.
Armageddon for America? Even if this occurs I assure you that liberals in droves will still defend the Islamic faith. After all, wasn't Whittaker Chambers remarkably prescient when he said that modern liberalism is a prescription for Western suicide?
And if we in the West waited for the U.N. to punish Saddam we would be on the 23rd second chance with another Resolution asking that he obey all the other resolutions.
Now that Islam and Muhammed have been exposed as not being a faith of Peace , can we all just band together to stop these death-cult psychos
with the I.Q. of a slug and finally take the Global threat seriously.
Al Gore's predictions will come true but not from the pollution or GHG's , but by the Nukes from the Jihadists that ascribe to the Quranic teachings that Allah allows them to slaughter God's children in exchange for some slut in paradise.
Maybe Ahmed,Siad, Muhammed,Abdul and the others could do us a favour and just buy a blind Dog with no teeth so they can turn off the lights and play Find-The-Bone Fido .
Since they already have a wild imagination to believe the teachings from a know pedophile it shouldn't be a great leap to beastyality to get their jollies right here on Earth so they don't have to slaughter children and civilians to be with Allah.
NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE
KNOW ISLAM - NO PEACE
We must attack the politics of islam.
The koran and the Constitution
cannot co-exist.
It is either one or the other
that will cover the rights of the citizens
of the USA. Which way will it be?
Will we stay the land of the brave and free?
Or will we become slaves to inbred arab masters?
Wherever there is a big terror plot Saudi Arabia and Pakistan are invariably behind it in some way. While Pakistan has begun to pay now for their blunder the Saudi Arabia does not seem to understand their folly of propagating violence and controlling the world (if not conquering) through islamic bond. The Saudi Roayal family must be made to bring to their senses. If possible a new ruling class should take-over Arabia.
Lucky 411
That's why we have to do what we can as citizens:
1. Arm yourself with knowledge and disseminate it. And not just knowledge about Islam. Knowledge about Western Civilization, Judeo-Christian values, and world history. Learn why our civilization is worth fighting for so you can teach others (especially the next generation) to love and defend the West as well. This fight is going to be a long haul. WWII was just an exercise.
2. Learn how to debate effectively and with civility. Have factual data to support your points.
3. Boycott Muslim businesses. We cannot let them flourish economically. Defend all American soil from mosques. Vote to get off foreign oil dependency, even if it means opening up Alaska. That will buy us plenty of time to find alternative resources.
4. Vote strategically. Often we will have to vote for the lesser of two evils, but always look at the big picture. We are sick and disillusioned with our party of choice, but we cannot allow splitting the conservative vote, which would give our liberal loons (the Islamic fifth column) elections!
5. Arm yourself, literally. Learn how to use and maintain a gun (at least before this Congress can try to impose limits on gun ownership of American citizens). Be legal with it, and be smart about it. If a dirty bomb went off in a major city near you (and I'm talking hundreds of miles) at least you'll be able to protect yourself and your loved ones without depending on an overwhelmed law enforcement.
6. Support Life. Western Civiilization, through abortion, birth control, euthanasia and suicide, is on a path towards death. Look at Europe's demographics. See the future? Fertile Islam is taking its place. America MUST be PRO LIFE. We can't fight a war if we have no one to fight it!
7. If you're a prayin' man (or woman) then PRAY. And if you're not a praying person, but wonder if you should, then DO IT. True prayer never hurt anyone. If you belong to a church or synogogue or temple, work to maintain its strength and viability. That means keeping the faith and gently teaching your brethren the TRUTH.
And what is the TRUTH?
Have hope. Have faith. Have charity. And remember:
"What came to be through Him was Life,
and this Life is the Light of the Human Race,
the Light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not overcome it."
Linked to al-gaeda that is linked to IRAN!
Wow,
"London car bombers are linked with Iraq's Al-Qaeda"???
Who came up with this earth-shattering discovery? Captain Obvious?
Here's another one...they all bleed red, too.
Man, this PC "keystone kops" bit's gonna get a lot of folks killed.
You could say it like Janis Joplin, "it's all the same ****in thing, man...!" :)
Just after 9/11, 39% of Americans had a negative view of Islam. The March 2006 percentage was 46%. Among likely voters it is probably well over 50%. It’s also probably gone higher in the last year. Muslims make up less than one percent of the electorate.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/08/AR2006030802221.html
Something is going to happen. It may be chaos after the collapse of the social safety net, or maybe another attack. A good President could address the American people and explain why a Constitutional Amendment is necessary. Maybe Robert Spencer will be deputy press secretary. The votes will be there for an Amendment that would allow Apostates to remain as Citizens in good standing.
A Constitutional Amendment would be nice, but it ain't gonna happen. Be real. Maybe after another dozen large attacks and NYC lying in nuclear waste we might. We just need to worry about educating the masses. Look how far England has slide. And they still ain't had an awakening to the threat of Islam. It may be starting, but PC may keep it from building. PC is also wreaking havoc here in the US. Look at all the retarded lawsuits filed here in the US. And they goto court. Our problems are gonna have to get worse before the US wakes up.
Well dah. The West brought this on itself and has nobody to blame but itself. Your misadventure in Iraq attracted a lot of fighters for a good cause(to rid the country of foreign fighters(i.e. the US). And after hey go home they take thier expertise with them an share with others. So what's happening now is a direct result of the doing of the West.
Who is jesus anyway? and by the way, I'm lover of Judeo-Nazis
Hey Progressive!
Where are those statistics about all those FREQUENT bank robberies committed by people dressed as priests and nuns!
And how old are you? C'mon, take off the shoes when you get past ten!
All these consistently heinous and evil atrocities from Islam, "the religion of peace".
Once again, in the inimitable words of Ann Coulter--
"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
We continue to TALK, TALK, TALK.....Pure evil is at our gates, and we continue to rearrange the deck chairs.
Interesting set of points, atheling.
I would add, to point 5, that if at all possible you should try to find two, three, four good mates who will work with you. Remember your extended family. Remember your friends and neighbours. Do you have like-minded workmates? Members of your sporting club? Do you belong to a PTA? Why not organise dinners - neighbourhood 'councils of war' - where groups of you discuss strategies if 'the worst' happens? Read up on the Minutemen! Get the wimminfolk together, too: first aid and self defence classes. Build community! The vigilante dream of every man for himself is a counsel of despair. TWO men back to back, or three, has got some hope in it. Ecclesiastes 4: 9-12 - "Two are better than one...for if they fall, the one will lift up his fellow...If one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken".
I'm saying this because I'm an Australian. We have, for instance, in each state the State Emergency Service which is called out in times of hurricane or flood. It is efficient and practical. We have in our country areas the Bush Fire Brigade. These bodies are filled by local volunteers. They act as a solid community backup to our police force and our army.
One of my brothers is in the Bush Fire Brigade. They train regularly and the book that they currently use teaches a full range of responses to everything up to and including a major terror attack, not excluding nuclear detonation.
I don't know if America or Canada or the UK, for instance, have volunteer citizen bodies of this kind. But if you have them, join them! And spread the anti-jihad meme.
To point 7: once your faith community is awake, remember this. Your basic low-tech religious noisemaker - be it bell, shofar, gong or drums - is a great emergency means of neighbourhood communication. That's why, in Muslim lands, dhimmis weren't allowed to have such religious noisemakers - to prevent them from being able to raise the alarm. In the UK, the network of change-ringers if 'on the ball' could do a great deal.
I would add one final point - mainly for Canadians and Americans. Remember the Navaho wind-talkers. You need to spread that anti-jihad meme to the Native Americans, help them realize that Muslim imperialism would be 10 000 times worse than English-speakers' imperialism ever was, and get them on side! For New Zealanders - get the Maori on side.
We are stronger than we know. We're like Tolkien's hobbits - we just need to wake up and get our act together. See "The Scouring of the Shire" in the final book of Tolkien's 'The Lord of the Rings.'
Screamingeagle: Educating the masses? And who exactly is going to educate them? Politicians? Teachers? Clergy? The media? Now who is not being real? I am looking at the ultimate strategic solution for America to the totalitarian ideology which is Islam. I would argue it lies in changing the Constitution, admittedly difficult as that might be for sundry reasons. In fact, I would additionally argue that if we don't supply an amendment to the Constitution prohibiting Islam, then our chances of success in finally defeating Mohammed's brutal creed are woefully reduced. Certainly tactical innovations will also have to occur to keep us afloat for the time being, but as of yet I detect little grand strategy in this generational conflict between the forces of darkness (i.e., Islam) and the forces of light (i.e., Western Civilization). I do agree with you, though, that PC is inimical to our interests and that things are definitely going to get worse before we have a shot at better. Dark times ahead.
dumbledoresarmy:
Great points and fine tuning!
I've been working on an essay (or cyberpamphlet) to spread on the net...
We need to spread the word!
Progressive asks: "Who is Jesus anyway?"
answer: http://www.whoisjesus-really.com/
Given that there will not be a banning of Islam or
mohammadan immigration to the USA on Constitutional grounds, what else is to be done?
In addition to the many suggestions, I think
ridicule is a powerful weapon against the
mohammadan cult. They can't stand it when Mohammad
is mocked, through pictures. However, that right is
also protected (but not USED!) here. Use it, and
make the mohammadan unwelcome.
Progressive: I'll put it to you plain like. You are exceedingly foolish in blaming the West for the hatred that radical Muslims have for us. Long before we went into Iraq, Osama bin Laden and his ilk declared eternal war on us. They hate us principally for who we are and not all that much for what we do. Besides, America has saved more Muslims from death and persecution than all the Muslim nations have put together in the past twenty years or so, whether in Kosovo, Kuwait, Afghanistan and elsewhere. The greatest danger to your average Muslim is from his fellow Muslim. Holy hell, wake up.
Yes, we have a constitional right to ridicule (look how well it's done against Christianity), and Muslims will go ballistic which will hurt their cause.
We must use their weaknesses against them. True, our constitution is being exploited by Muslims, but they have weaknesses we can exploit!
Well, the Constitution needs to be changed, then. Because of the Koran and it's instructions to kill everyone not Islamic, Muslims present a special case.
They should be outlawed from any countries besides their own Islamic ones. End of Story.
Deport now. Stop Muslim immigration, now.
Hey, I totally agree. The muslim religion needs to be outlawed in the United States.
Why stop there. Every muslim needs to be deported back where they came from. No other muslim people should be allowed in the United States either.
Wellington said
I think you give us too much credit. When the chips are down, we historically choose self-preservation over moral ideals. In the Civil War, Lincoln suspended the writ of habeus corpus, which is one of our most fundamental rights. The Declaration of Independence begins with "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal"; the irony that the men who wrote this were slaveholders apparently escaped their notice. We broke treaties with the Native Americans time and again. In WWII, Japanese Americans were interred without trial or recourse. The Chinese Exclusion act that barred Chinese immigration on the basis of race was passed in 1882. The Alien and Sedition Acts allowed the President to forcibly deport those he judged to be a danger to the nation. And so on.
Likewise, if you think the American peoples' minds would be on modifying the Constitution in that hypothetical case, again, I believe you will find your high opinion of us off the mark. I just hope we never let it get to that point.
I don't agree with the historical examples above, they were the wrong way to handle those situations. And most of them were later found to be unconstitutional. But they show that if we screw things up (the way we're screwing things up right now), and begin to feel our existence is at stake, Americans will handle the problem, regardless of what it takes, regardless of morality or illegality. We will get the job done. And then years or decades later, we'll decide that it was a regretful mistake.
Which is another reason to make sure we don't let things get any worse than they are right now. Now is the time to deal sensibly with jihad, before the only options left to us are very dark.
Sorry, forgot to mention the second quote was from screaming_eagle.
special_guest:
So there is legal hope! :)
Wellington,
I agree with much of what you say but there is a rumbling in the country that is spreading like wildfire. Americans are sick of the islamist bs. We are wise to their scheming and yes you are right we will never convince some liberals but who cares. Don’t believe everything you hear from the jihadist loving media the majority of the country is awake and those Americans are angry and itching for a fight, well not liberal Americans they are itching for a beheading. It is only going to get worse and as we saw with the recent Dr Frankenstans arrests more people will be shocked, yes shocked that yet again we find the islamists in areas that we thought were off limits so to speak. When our food supply is threatened, when we are forced into carrying our guns to the mall, when we worry about sending our kids to school and having some islamist rats murder them then the changes will come and fast. Many people, on radio and tv etc that a year ago were doing the rop shuffle are now saying, hey, they want to cut our heads off, shoot, they really do want to blow us all up. So times are a changing, where it will lead us who knows, 1770s, 1860s, 1940s, imho we are just about due for another big affair of some sort. The first amendment applies to the guvment, what the people in the individual states do once they start exercising their long neglected rights is a whole other ball of wax. The rights of the states if used to the fullest dwarf the power of the first amendment alone. But we have been caught up in this multiculti pc merry go round over the last several decades and most of those rights have been forgotten, but they are still there, forgotten for the time being but not gone. It is time to dust them off and shove them down the throats of our enemies, foreign or domestic.
July 7, 2007 10:11 PM AMartinez, the reference to 42 is obscure. This is from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. 42 is the answer to the ultimate question.
Old Atlantic; I think a better name for them would be Islamikazis." pez [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 7, 2007 10:23 PM
This makes sense. They are dying for their religion and for their land, by which they mean our land, by which our Left means its bigotry to call any land, "our land".
Sheik, I checked out your link. Its definitely worth visiting.
evil = muslim.
whine about it,rationals .
please put out the fire in your backyard b4 accusing others of treating muslims badly.
evil = muslim.
whine about it,rationals .
please put out the fire in your backyard b4 accusing others of treating muslims badly.
Ex-lover of jesus:
What a fantastic prayer breakfast we had. I believe that the Lord blessed us dearly in many ways yesterday. Brother Michael felt a particular burden placed upon his heart. It was only when another laid hands on him and spoke in tongues that this burden became apparent. He believes that the Lord is feeling your hurting also. He knows the bitterness within your soul has calloused the heart and blinded you to the wretch that you are. However do not be despondent friend. Brother Luke came forward and read a verse that I believe is for you. It is from The Book of Revelations and originally given to His Church.
'Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.'
Isn't that wonderful? Jesus is standing at the door quietly knocking. Go on open the door, touch your monitor screen and let him inside. Come!
Specialguest and tgusa: Well, I applaud your optimism in the face of legal and constitutional obstacles. You both make good points about the inherent belligerency and practicality of the American people when faced with exigent circumstances, the Constitution sometimes be damned. After all, wasn't it Teddy Roosevelt who said, when confronted with the constitutional and legal delicacies that would be involved in freeing Panama from Columbia and building the Canal, "what's the Constitution between friends?" Still, I will keep my eye on the legal difficulties ahead as America will have to, once again, be in the forefront of fighting the forces of anti-civilization to save the entire world, not that the world will appreciate it though; it never does. Meanwhile, the Brits and Western Europeans are in even bigger trouble than we are and I don't see that same kind of resolve in the European soul that exists here. Many battles loom ahead, legal, military, psychological and otherwise. My best to you both.
Well, it looks like the liberal leftards are starting to fight back already, the enemy, its not islamists its us his own countrymen. I told you these filthy rats would start attacking us first chance they got. Modern liberals/leftards, cut from the same cloth as that VT psychopath, no doubt would make a loyal Manson family member, round em up, move em out, get em gone, right now.
Deranged moonbat shoots Airman on Fourth of July,
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=26176_Deranged_Moonbat_Shoots_Airman_on_Fourth_of_July&only
Shocker, he committed suicide, they say they are against killing, so what do they do to get their point across, why indulge in a killing that’s what. Please leftards show some spine put a bullet in your head before you commit murder. Leftard nutcases, killing the servicemen that Americans refuse to kill.
Wellington,
Right back at ya. The future, It certainly wont be boring will it?
Regards to you and yours.
America will have to, once again, be in the forefront of fighting the forces of anti-civilization to save the entire world, not that the world will appreciate it though; it never does.
posted by Wellington
Well, most of the world already views the US as the greatest threat to world peace. We might as well act the part.
If I may defend Progressive:
We did bring this on ourselves. We failed to act when war was declared on us in 1979. Khomeini should have been killed before the new year dawned.
Scratch a moonbat, find a fascist underneath.
And they're the ones chanting: "Give Peace a Chance".
Wonder why is it that when moonbats gather for demonstrations for peace they end up with violence?
PMK: Yes, we should have taken Khomeini out in 1979 but you don't think Progressive and those that think as Progressive does would have ever gone for that, do you? And I'm only too aware that most of the world sees America and Israel as the two greatest threats to world peace. For me, this constitutes ipso facto evidence that most of the world is a craven, myopic, jealous idiot. The brave and noble nations are few and far between. My greatest concern now repecting the international arena is that Britain is moving steadily in the process of self-destruction. I find this particulaly disturbing. The Brits have mocked their own culture and have devalued it to such an extent because of multiculturalism that national suicide now looms on the horizon for them. It's not too late for Britain to turn things around but it almost is. And Gordon Brown is not the PM to do it.
....Banning Muslim Immigration...a much needed policy that requires immediate implementation....
....THe Islamice fortress is developing cracks, one small crack here, one small crack there....soon major fissures appear, followed by crumbling walls....
Isam is a flawed religion that demands if you are born a Muslim you can never change,, If you leave Islam you will be killed (most likely in an unnatural manner)...If you are not Muslim enough you will be killed...If you like nicer things such as music, western clothes, western literature, satellite tv, automobiles, being able to make your own decisions on your life (without the implicit approval of some crazed, bearded, finger pointing Islamic cleric) you will be killed....you may be required to sacrifice your children in a most bloody manner, you may be required to sacrifice yourself, you will not be allowed to become rich, you must live your entire life in poverty and fear....but the truth is getting out, young Muslims are hearing the truth, and the radical Muslims hate the truth, and they are willing to kill their own people to ensure the truth does not get to them....Islam is crumbling.....we can protect ourselves a little better by banning Muslim Immigration....