"Plaintiffs seek to hold responsible those terrorists, terrorist organizations and the supporting charitable and banking organizations for the senseless kidnapping, torture and murder of Daniel Pearl."
From Reuters (thanks to Hot Air):
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The widow of slain Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl filed a lawsuit on Wednesday against al Qaeda, other radical groups and Pakistan-based Habib Bank Ltd over the 2002 abduction, torture and murder of her husband.Mariane Pearl, whose story is told in the recently released movie "A Mighty Heart" starring Angelina Jolie, filed the suit at U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York, according to her lawyers.
"Plaintiffs seek to hold responsible those terrorists, terrorist organizations and the supporting charitable and banking organizations for the senseless kidnapping, torture and murder of Daniel Pearl," the suit said.
It seeks an unspecified amount of money, whatever the court "deems appropriate", to prevent the defendants from committing similar acts.
I don't think that this lawsuit is halal. That means that the court system, by accepting it, is Islamophobic.
Senseless? Doesn't she understand evangelical jihad?
Re: "Plaintiffs seek to hold responsible those terrorists, terrorist organizations and the supporting charitable and banking organizations for the senseless kidnapping, torture and murder of Daniel Pearl."
CAIR and every member of that organization and those who support the "unindicted co-conspirator" (CAIR) should be sued. CAIR is not a "civil rights" organization, it's a civil rats organization. CAIR is a fraud and a front for criminals (sort of like Joe Colombos "civil rights" organization of the 1970's). They should be sued as terror enablers.
I am still trying to figure out why an American person doesn't file law suits against the Saudi Royal family and goverment, Hamas, Hezbollah, PLO, and the U.N.
Delusions of the degenerated lefty looney's.
Al Qaeda must be shaking in their sandals. Lets repossess their caves, their camels, their rocket-launchers and AK 47's!
But first we need an address. Lets see, a mailbox, something...
You mean there's nothing? Oh my gaaaaad! Its all Bush's fault, because he couldn't find OBL!
Why don't we sue the chimp?
That's better, that'll do it!
"Delusions of the degenerated lefty looney's."
No, actually this lawsuit might help. If she can hurt some of the "charities" and "Islamic banking" organizations that support Al-Qaeda financially, then she will have done far more against the jihad than Bush and Co have ever contemplated doing.
Yes, why hasn't the House of Saud -- given what can be found and heard in Saudi-built and Saudi-funded mosques -- been sued? And why is there not a class action suit, by American citizens, against all those who directly or indirectly have been on the Saudi take, and let's hope such a lawsuit would name several dozen of them, and the ways in which they have as individuals benefitted from Saudi (or possibly other Arab) largesse, and in return have been known for decades to turn a blind eye to what Saudi Arabia does, in the Middle East, in Western Europe, in North America, that makes the lives of American Infidels much less safe, and that must be stopped.
Even if such a lawsuit is thrown out, the mere publicity given to it, and to the issues it rais3es, and to the names of those who are mentioned as having benefitted, from James Akins and Raymond Close to James Baker and Fred Dutton and even Colin, or at least Mrs., Powell (yes, let's make sure that one can no longer accept Jaquars from the likes of Prince Bandar, not a Jaguar, and not anything else), will be salutary.
Lawsuits are oppressive, mostly ridiculous and usually a load of B.S. But they have that added bonus of tying up people's time, energy and money and making one's life a living hell. If Mariane Pearl can succeed in doing to Sheik This and Sheik That what CAIR and these other lying losers do to the rest of us I say more power to her.
Yep, You Go, Girl!
Need an address of Al Quaeda? Just use the mailing address of Saudi Arabian embassy. When they start getting beaten in the American court system, things will quickly happen.
Something tells me the ACLU has not donated their services in this matter.
No suprise.
This might be a good platform to expose the Saudi beast especially linked to the publicity of the movie. It could help the David Project who brought up the same terrorist links in the Boston mosque fiasco. The mosque is totally financed and controlled in Saudi Arabia with local boards as puppets that can be removed at anytime by the masters.
Wow, someone actually has the audacity to blame someone other then President Bush, for a problem caused by a terrorist group.
Is this liberal future of the war on terror though? Suing terrorists?
http://www.americanlegends.blogspot.com/
This has the appearance of a win-win all the way.
Certainly those fiancially secure Emirates and individuals with links to such acts are currently above the influence of such a suit,much like most developed nations tend to be whenever something as impotent as "International" law,or courts,come calling. The primary benefit would be the greater digestion,by the general public,of the identities and track-records of some Western treasonist enablers. Naturally, such people and entities are hardly concerned about what the general public knows. That's the problem right there in a nutshell; the main head of this entire Hydra.
i agree with trojo, Isabella, and darcy.
here is someone who is at least trying to hurt the islamists in some way.
going after their money, the office phone they have the use of, the safe deposit boxes, etc, can all help to interfere with and hinder their operations.
it will be interesting to see where this leads.
Good for her! This is one courageous woman as she will have an enormous battle on her hands and a price on her head. Those responsible for her husband's horrific death should be held accountable. I'll be praying for justice and for her protection.
She will be able to use this lawsuit to open doors into U.S. Intel and the U.S. State Dept by the use of supeanas and Freedom of Information Act. She will also be able to obtain information from other countries through this lawsuit. (Maybe the Mossad will help).
Of course we don't want her to overexpose National Security interest, but we all have a fealing that the U.S. State Dept is doing more PROTECTING of information then they are anything else.
I am sure there is alot of information to obtain that the State Dept has, i.e. people, organizations, the money people, the bank accounts, the supplyers, the sources, and maybe even the evidence of countries or states that are behind Al-Qaeda.
We will know when she is on the right path, because CAIR, Saudi Arabia, the U.S. State Dept, and Pres Bush will start complaining and try to make it go away.
Rots of ruck suing terrorists or terrorist organisations...But Banks and 'charitable' organisations are reachable. To that I would say good luck, but facts are better than luck, and the facts will make the case...slam dunk...
Completely OT
I just stumbled across this and thought other's here would appreciate this.
I dont know who this guy is, but he certainly has the knowledge when it comes to jihad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcPfBQCT40M&mode=related&search=
Good thing is as well he seems to be speaking to a big crowd.
Lawsuits have always been the tool of the LEFT, Democrats, the ACLU, CAIR, and they have used JUDGES that have been appointed by Democrats to rule against the American citizens.
These groups do not want Conservatives to figure out that the Court Room is their largest temple of worship to advance their cause and remove the rights from the American people.
What they can't change in the Court Room they do in the House or Senate.
Conservatives have been to respectful to stay away from the Court Room.....we need to see more of this. And like was said above, if anything it wastes the liberals time, money and resources, something they have used against Conservatives for toooooooo long.
and Angelina Jolie will be suing George Bush and Co. for their part.
This woman is a complete kook, ala, Cindy Sheehan style. She also tried to collect millions from the 9/11 Fund, as if her book and movie deal wasn't enough money. I'll never forget after her husband was killed. She was all smiles for the camera. What kind of person could smile after their husbands head was just chopped off by savages??? She seems more interested in achieving fame than her poor husbands death. I don't like her at all, and I'm surprised everyone can't see thru her. Yes, it would be nice if someone could collect money from Al Qaeda, but how realistic is that?
Fighting fire with fire. About time.
Just a hunch, but I suspect she's going to have trouble serving the complaint.
...time to sue cab companies that hire discriminatory drivers for discriminatory business practices....
...time to sue grocery stores that hire Muslim clerks who refuse to ring up your groceries...
...time to sue Iran every time one of their bombs kills an American....
...time to sue Hizabollah every time one of their rockets kill a Jew...
...time to sue Hamas every time one of their rockets kill a JEw..
...time to sue the crazed bearded, finger pointing Islamic cleric that leads a protest march that results in destruction of private or public property...
....time to sue Muslims who cause delays at airports by causing security to react because they (the Muslims) insist on arousing security issues by refusing to behave like normal people ...
....it is time to sue..sue...sue..
Also, I don't suspect that the Eastern District of New York has personal jurisdiction over al-Qaeda. Unless al-Qaeda can be "found" in New York, or has a pattern of substantial or pervasive contacts with the forum state, there's no general jurisdiction, and it's hard to see how a murder committed outside of the State, without any particular nexus to New York, can give rise to specific jurisdiction.
If Jihadism was driven by poverty, why would Pakistan-based Habib Bank Ltd be involved in a lawsuit regarding Jihadist activity?
"Judea and Mariane Pearl are the father and wife of Danny Pearl, the journalist whom al-Qaida terrorists brutally murdered in 2002 in Pakistan. The Pearls realize terrorism grows in the cultural soil of abject poverty and despair, in places where corrupt, tyrannical ruling elites in government, supported by outside powers, have removed moderate voices of Islam for two generations. These are postcolonial countries whose current boundaries were drawn by Western powers after World War I and whose internal political affairs were sometimes undermined by the CIA. In these places, desperate youth have their access to education and jobs blocked, many are poor - usually more than 40 percent - they have no medical care, and they see a future with no hope. The right of the opposition to speak out without danger against the fundamentalists in league with the elite rulers does not exist."
http://media.www.iowastatedaily.com/media/storage/paper818/news/2006/12/11/Opinion/Misconceptions.About.Islam-2531245.shtml
Hugh,
The suit you propose is one that would gladden one's heart - to see these Saudi royal scum being taken to court. One would hope they haven't bought enough beltway whores to sidestep the claims by special exemption legislation.
(if one thought the uproar over the immigration bill was pivotal, the anger over special legislation would dwarf it)
How did the House of Saud find so many whores in the beltway ? Even Peanut JImmy got a piece of the pie.
Have Bush serve al Qaeda.
Have Murtagh serve humble pie...
According to Karma philosophy in Hinduism, the value of the Karma lies in Hetu (intent), not Phal(result). The intent of the Mahabharat war was noble, even while the result seemed to be a foregone conclusion of an overwhelming victory of Kauravas. However, since Pandavas, were nople and faught for the noble cause, Lord Krishna encourages Arjun to do 'the right thing regardless of the result. Isn't that also the moral of David's victory over Golaith?
In the same way, Mariane is doing 'the right thing', no matter how it ends.
Some have said they did not like her, but if sueing the Sowdis and their banks, and other so called "charities" l say go for it. allways good advice for all who want to find out the truth, is to "Follow the money".
My apologies for being off topic:
Bizarre, creationist book shows up at Foreign Policy magazine
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Why doesn't a surviving spouse of a killed U.S. service men sue Iran for suppling 'insurgents' in Iraq? and sue Syria and Saudi Arabia for allowing their citizens to cross into Iraq to carry out the act, and again Iran for training them.
If judgements started getting warded against those countries, to the tune of hundreds of millions then we would either see a slow down of insurgents, a slow down in weapons being supplied or the least would be the money is no longer in their hands to advance their ideology.
The evidence is there and there is lots of money to go after...BIGGER yet, there is a point to be made.
Hugh...
another question would be a suit against the U.N. for their 'lack' of enforcing U.N. orders and laws. For their 'Oil for food' scandal that corrupted their decisions against enforcing their laws. And because of the corruption and because they would not enforce their laws, the U.S. military is in Iraq.
Had the U.N. fulfilled their responsibility against Saddam the U.S. would not have had to go in. So, how many lives of how many people are on the hands of the U.N. because the the 'Oil for food' corruption. How much money would not have had to be spent?
Next....
Lawsuit number 2.....Genocide in Sudan.
jeffreyimm posted/pasted
"Judea and Mariane Pearl are the father and wife of Danny Pearl, the journalist whom al-Qaida terrorists brutally murdered in 2002 in Pakistan. The Pearls realize terrorism grows in the cultural soil of abject poverty and despair, in places where corrupt, tyrannical ruling elites in government, supported by outside powers, have removed moderate voices of Islam for two generations. These are postcolonial countries whose current boundaries were drawn by Western powers after World War I and whose internal political affairs were sometimes undermined by the CIA. In these places, desperate youth have their access to education and jobs blocked, many are poor - usually more than 40 percent - they have no medical care, and they see a future with no hope. The right of the opposition to speak out without danger against the fundamentalists in league with the elite rulers does not exist."
This is a load of crap! Just the opposite is true. Most all of the identified jihads come from the educated middle class and some from the upper middle class. The poverty and disadvantage statements are design to justify these act of murder and suicide. Their youth are only educated by rot, memorize the Koran even if they did not understand what it said. Islam is fatalistic and there is not hope. If you don't agree with Islam then you are considered and infidel and we now what happens to them.
And its all the west's fault in the end because of something that was done almost one hundred years ago? As I recall Mohammad was blaming all his troubles on everyone but himself right from the beginning.
I can't speak for the Pearl family but I would bet that they would say this is 'Crap" as well. So the writer is putting words in a dead persons mouth by allying with his family. Remember Daniel was a Jew and we know what Islam thinks of them.
And finally that link was/is propaganda written by the Muslims to cover up and make them appear as the "Religion of Peace"
mad.as.HELL is right ON!
This is a feel-good suit that won't accomplish much. Suing the UN? That means we'll pay their lawyering costs through our taxes / dues. Ditto for suing a government. The lawyers on both sides will make out like bandits but what will Ms. Pearl receive?
Suing Al Qaeda sounds nice but what IS Osama's mailing address?
It would be wonderful to sue all the charities, but it seems the only real way to have an impact is to bring the entire international banking system to its knees, forcing them to get rid of any and all accounts used by such organizations. Surely SWIFT could be used to these ends.
Make them go back to cash on the donkey. They won't be able to transfer money from Saudi to Islamberg. Then the oil companies probably won't be able to transfer funds either, since the same people who own the oil also fund the terrorists. Money is fungible, however. A transaction here or a transfer there and suddenly it's all legit.
mad.as.Hell and champ -
Actually, Mariane Pearl has repeatedly brought up the issue of poverty as a driver of Jihad:
"The Public Life of Private Struggles",by Mariane Pearl, The New York Times, April 19, 2002
"I became convinced that all of us have to take responsibility for what is happening in the world if we want to eradicate the causes of terrorism, fascism and similar ideologies. Something new has to happen, and everyday people have to be part of the process.Both Danny and I knew better than to believe what the fundamentalists were telling us about jihad. Jihad is the name of a process that can be undertaken successfully only by a courageous person. A jihadi fights with himself or herself in what I, as a Buddhist, think of as a personal revolution."
"I came to believe that only through such struggle -- a true jihad -- could Pakistan address the core issues that the fundamentalists use to manipulate people and exploit ignorance. Education, freedom of expression and the alleviation of poverty could no longer be considered a government responsibility alone. Citizens had to find ways to claim and defend their own rights. It was for the people of Pakistan to decide where their country stands in the global arena, and it was for the people of Pakistan to shake off submissiveness and restore their country's dignity."
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F4071EF93F5B0C7A8DDDAD0894DA404482
Here is another citation:
She said that what was needed was, "Education, freedom of expression and the alleviation of poverty…" and this "could no longer be considered a government responsibility alone."
It is a reasonable question if Jihadists are driven by poverty, why is she suing a bank. Of course, we know the answer, that Jihadists are not driven by poverty. Just a month ago, Angelina Jolie has been representing Mariane Pearl's philosophy in "A Mighty Heart".
PMK>>>>
Who do you think pays for the majority of the ACLU's costs? The taxpayers. Who is paying the majority of the U.N.'s costs to advance ideology against America? Your taxdollars.
Everytime a school, a city, town, or public entity is sued and the ACLU wins, it is your tax dollars that are paying the ACLU's legal expenses.
Defending 'In God We Trust' or the Pledge of Allegance against the ACLU is at your taxpayers dollars. Everytime something Christian happens, every Tom, Dick or Harry is filing a suit to shut it down. The same presidence that is being used to shut down Christianity is ignored against the advancement of Islam here in the U.S.
We did not get here with most of the conservative values being removed by liberals with 'one' lawsuit. It has been many suits, built one on top of the other, each one setting a presidence to advance the next one.
So, are you advacating doing nothing for the 'good guys' legally because it will cost money?
Pearl most likely will not hit a 'grand slam' with these findings, but even a minor win is a step in the right direction. Then another one after that, set the presidence for the next case, and let the next victim take it further.
You don't need Osama's mailing address to sue Al-Qaeda, public notice is fine. You don't need to sue Osama to reveal guilt. Sue Al-Qaeda for discovery. Discovery will be gaining information of money, paper trails, and who knows what but ain't talking.
Al-Qaeda is not scared of this suit, obviously. Now the U.S. State Department may be. If information is revealed that foreign leaders or dignataries are part of the Al-Qaeda organization, and or have used corporations to advance this cause, and if the US State Depart knows but is protecting friends of the State Depart, and this is revealed this would be a major win.
Shine the light in the corners and see what moves.
Ask yourself, what if there is something to gain by the information of the suit, while still losing the suit?
The good thing about sueing Islamic interests, is 'discovery'. Lawyers are good at that.
As far as poverty and jihad are concerned, if you made every jihadist rich, they would still be jihadist's. Look what being rich has done for the Saud family jihadists who practice, money jihad.
Also MS Pearle, I am not buying the 'internal struggle jihad'. Pearle, Berg, Anderson, and countless other jihad victims, were not murdered by anyones 'internal struggle'.
KM-
The link you post is to Pastor John Hagee of the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas.
He's a leader in the evangelical Christian world and a staunch Zionist. He is not hesitant in the slightest about naming the Islamic enemy and what we face. It's great to see and inspirational to listen to him.
Thanks for the link.
KM-
The link you post is to Pastor John Hagee of the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas.
He's a leader in the evangelical Christian world and a staunch Zionist. He is not hesitant in the slightest about naming the Islamic enemy and what we face. It's great to see and inspirational to listen to him.
Thanks for the link.
KM-
The link you post is to Pastor John Hagee of the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas.
He's a leader in the evangelical Christian world and a staunch Zionist. He is not hesitant in the slightest about naming the Islamic enemy and what we face. It's great to see and inspirational to listen to him.
Thanks for the link.
Sounds like another movie in the making. I do not even see how she could of even made such a movie! It just inspires more! She is not smart to do this. Putting herself right out there and Daniels kid too, or did she forget? I know she loved Karachi but......
jeffreyimm
Actually, Mariane Pearl has repeatedly brought up the issue of poverty as a driver of Jihad:
If that is true it still does not make it right (its still crap). My statement concerning the Pearl family was a guess. She has not understood the enemy yet. For that I feel sorry for her. The argument is misleading because it takes the responsibility from the people who do these thing. It is the PC thing to say.
(Stands on soap box)
That is the main problem in the the west. Ask friends, neighbors, workers or the man-on-the-street. "Who is the enemy we are fighting in the war?" You will get all kinds of answers, most will be wrong. The answer is the Islamic philosophy. Notice I did not call it a religion because it IMO has lost its right to be called a religion. Others have written along with Robert Spencer the problems with the Koran and its teachings. It uses its status as a religion in the west to club and get its way. It is up to us who get it, to start educating the public by asking the question and answering it as well.
(takes a bow and steps down from soap box)
(takes a bow and steps down from soap box)
Posted by: Im.mad.as.HELL!
*applauds*
Just in case you thought no one was listening :)
Hell yeah Hugh, why aren't the Saudis being sued for every last riyal they own?
Surely spreading the ideology of hatred and incitement to murder that is called Islam, by funding madrassas and mosques Worldwide, is a crime against humanity.
The entire World should lodge a claim for damages caused by the death cult Islam over the last 1400 years.
The Saudis were being sued by some families of 9-11 victims and I think James Baker or his law firm represented the Saudis. How cut and dried is that? I don't know if the lawsuit is still pending or if it was dismissed or settled.
The "entire world" is busy defending the islamic savages and their vile religion, Marianne Pearl included. She's convinced islam is a peaceful religion despite the fact that muslims brutally murdered her husband and videotaped his beheading.
If she can still defend islam after that, she is not only deluded, she's crazy. It's all the West's fault; colonization, the support of brutal despots, all the usual islamic apologia. If we would just triple our foreign aid and stop invading peaceful islamic nations, our problems would be over.
The 9/11 victims lawsuit (Burnett v. al Baraka Investment) is well worth reading. It spells out meticulously the interrelations of hijackers, sponsors, paymasters, Saudi charities, banks, individuals, governments (the Kingdom, Sudan) directly involved with Al Qaeda.
a pdf can be read at http://www.saudisuit.com/
Unfortunately, the suit has more symbolic value than real teeth. The higher Saudi Princes named, like Salman & Naif were dismissed from the suit by U.S. District Judge Richard Casey, saying he lacked jurisdiction to let the cases proceed in the U.S. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and several of the banks accused were also dismissed. He permitted litigation to proceed against some of the smaller fish, like Tarik Hamdi & Wa'el Jalaiden, the Rabita Trust charity, and, importantly, the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO), a direct arm of the Saudi government which provided massive aid to bin Laden and the Taliban and was part of the infamous SAAR network.
Im.mad.as.hell -
You state "She has not understood the enemy yet."
She understands them well enough to sue the Pakistani bank. On the other hand, she has let Angelina Jolie present the "Jihad causes poverty" in "A Mighty Heart" last month released around the world to countless theaters and viewers to spread that misconception on Jihad - that it is caused by poverty and ignorance.
So which is her position? That's a fair question to ask. But I haven't seen her use this lawsuit to clarify her views on Jihad, which have been used as propaganda in "A Mighty Heart" to confuse untold thousands of viewers.
I tried to edit my last post - I meant "poverty causes Jihad" position (of course)
Actually, "im.mad.as.hell," better to use the phrase "Islamic ideology," as "philosophy" is too nice and respectable a word to be used alongside "Islamic."
So, yes, it's the Islamic (Koranic) ideology that is the enemy!
I'm a long time lurker on this site - now de-lurking. Just wanted to put in my 2 cents --- I think Marianne Pearl's lawsuit is right on. She may never actually see a dime of compensation - but I don't think that's the point.
In this current war between the West and Islam, we need to use everything at our disposal.
Going back to lurking now.
Bess,
Exactly right. Throw the same garbage at them that they throw at us. It will shock the hell out of them because they won't be expecting it.
It doesn't matter if she wins or not. It only matters that she stands up to them and maybe others will gain the courage to do the same.