They didn't belong to any terrorist groups. "If there is no trace then this means the terrorism situation in the UK is much worse than we have believed..." And of course it is, because no Muslim group in the UK or elsewhere has drawn a distinction between themselves and the jihadists that is sufficiently sharp to prevent those jihadists from moving freely among the peaceful Muslims. And since the threat is not being challenged at the ideological level, it is entirely possible for a peaceful Muslim to turn into a jihadist under the noses of authorities -- as Mike Hawash and others have done in the U.S. The problem is indeed much bigger than British authorities think, and much bigger than they are even now willing to admit.
From the Evening Standard (thanks to Doc Washburn):
MI5 fear the gang behind the attempt to set off car bombs in London's West End are an "off-the-radar" cell with no previous links to terrorism.They are concerned that the gang, now at the centre of a massive international manhunt, have evaded the anti-terror net which has foiled every plot in Britain since the July 7 London bombings in 2005.
On Friday, two cars laden with petrol and gas were discovered in adjacent streets, apparently primed to cause mass devastation.
Police and forensic teams were painstakingly dismantling the cars, looking for anything that might led them to the terrorists.
But Whitehall sources voiced concern that MI5 had no warning of an imminent attack. The Security Service fear their lack of intelligence points to an unknown 'cleanskin' home-grown group or an international terrorist cell allowed to slip into Britain from abroad.
The discovery of an "off-the-radar" cell would call into question Britain's entire anti-terrorist strategy, which has seen millions of pounds of extra cash spent on internal security and a massive expansion of MI5's manpower.
Despite huge amounts of information on potential terror plots being sifted by MI5, sources say they picked up no warning of the plan to plant devices in two Mercedes cars, one of which was left directly outside a busy nightclub.
The cars, packed with nails, petrol and gas cylinders, failed to explode. But despite having 1,600 terror suspects under investigation nationwide, only chance averted a tragedy.
The first bomb was discovered after ambulancemen attending to an injured late-night reveller spotted smoke or gas vapour pouring from a parked car. A second device, left in another Mercedes parked in an adjacent street, was found only after the car was towed to a police pound because it had been parked illegally.
US sources claimed the bombs failed to go off despite repeated calls to mobile phones rigged to trigger the devices....
The officials, quoted by ABC News, claimed the man bore a "close resemblance" to an associate of terrorist mastermind Dhiren Barot, who was jailed for life in Britain last November.
But British investigators insist they are still desperately trying to clean up the CCTV footage from the cameras, which they hope will show one of the bombers parking his car. They say the raw footage is "what you would expect from a camera monitoring a street at night, with faces far from distinct".
One of Barot's plans was to park limousines packed with gas canisters under high-profile buildings. But the British sources said while there were some similarities between the Barot plot and this failed attack, there was "nothing else to link them at this stage".
Whitehall sources admitted they feared the individuals behind the attack might be the nightmare scenario - genuine "cleanskins".
"If there is no trace then this means the terrorism situation in the UK is much worse than we have believed and everything we have been doing - the expansion of MI5 - will have to be reassessed," said a highly placed source. The British sources also revealed that one theory was the terrorists may have been sent from abroad to launch the latest attacks.
off WHOSE radar?
pc-dar? or REAL radar?
Classic pc...as bad as out here in the peoplez republik of kalifornia, where they don't issue BOLOs anymore (at least not REAL BOLOs)
(note-"BOLO"=police slang for "be on the lookout")
The other day, news said of two robbery-murder suspects:
"be on the lookout for...two guys...in...a...car"
(that limits it down to about...12 MILLION people).
no rerference to race...it's "racist"
no reference to looks...it's "insensitive"
no reference to complexion, eye color, hair color, nothing...it may be grounds for yet another bogus "insensitivity" lawsuit by criminals in the process of committing crimes...
...and the thought police wonder why the populace says "screw this" and don't help them.
pc is a mental disorder...and that mental disorder is making policies forcing us to live with.
The good news is...the populace has just about had enough of this pc-emo-bs insanity.
God help us all.
So how are we to reconcile the idea that not all Muslims are inclined to jihad with the notion that any of them can just decide to do so with disastrous consequences for a community?
It's not like deciding one day to rob a bank.
These would-be bombings were vicious in intent.
There's only one option: make jihad a disaster for the entire Muslim community. That should give them incentive to police their own.
It should be incumbent on all Muslims to report those who would commit acts of jihad upon the community. Otherwise they are just as guilty as the perpetrators and deserve no less harsh a punishment.
Maybe they're watching the wrong radar. They should start covering the protests at the East London Mosque & London Muslim Centre after Friday prayers. Also be a good place to begin deportations.
If the Western Civilization is too survive, I mean America, Canada, EU, and others, we MUST get over offending people (PC). Political Correctness has no place where it stifles the Truth and Free Speech.
It is coming clear that if we will not GET over PC and get on with a real active solution for preventing Jihadists (through active propaganda and a real belief in the goodness of Western Civilization) then it will time to deport all Muslims from Europe and American soil back to the Middle East.
I can't tell you how much that prospect dis-heartens me, but if our Governments will not actively seek to remove / restrain Jihadist elements in Islamic communities within the West then they must be removed.
If this doesn't happen - and 99 percent likely that it won't - there WILL be such a war that it will be unspeakable. Street to street fighting. Needless bloodshed. If the human race survives history will rightly judge as worse than we have judged those that didn't see and prevent the evil actions of Hitler.
**Breaking (Sky - unconfirmed) two perps @ Glasgow Airport NOT British**
After our 'great escape' when mercifully hundreds, if not thousands of deaths of innocent people were avoided, with a large helping of luck, as well as beady eyes and a pubgoer who just happened to fall ill which led to the discovery of the car bomb, it is time we realised that the Islamists war has been brought to us in a big way, when they think the nations back has been turned. 7/7 coincided with the G8 meeting in Scotland, and hundreds of feeble-minded protesters heading north, taking our eye off the ball, and two years later, the attempt to destroy a nightclub with hundreds inside and perhaps thousands milling around outside, who would have been incinerated in a 400 foot fireball if things had gone to plan, and the survivors of this led into an even deadlier trap with the second car in place.
But when the dust settles, it'll be back to the pc ways of 6/28. Our country has forgotten the wise words of its political predecessor Winston Churchill who wrote:
“The religion of Islam above all others was founded upon the sword … Moreover it provides incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.”
We were but a faulty mobile away from mass slaughter in the West End, but forgetfulness isn't confined to Britain. Americans and their leaders have forgotten the famous words of a former President, John Quincy Adams, from 180 years ago:
"In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar [i.e., Muhammad], the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE (Adams's capital letters)… Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. The war is yet flagrant… While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and goodwill towards men.”
The London bomb was largely aimed at killing young ladies - why else would they carry it out on Ladies Night? But lets not forget another passage from JQA, which spells out the essence of mass slaughter inherent in Islam:
"The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force."
But the mindset of the West in general and Britain in particular is not tuned into recognising evil when it is staring them in the face, and until it is too late. Chamberlain couldn't see the evil in Hitler, even though Churchill could, and he got ridiculed for it, until we went to war. And we cannot see the evil in the Islamists. We stupidly think we are being attacked because of our support for the US etc, and we think that because our press and media tell us that is so. But our press and media have an agenda, and public safety is not part of it. Political pointscoring is all they're interested in, and if that involves demonising the US and Israel and painting the Jihadis as victims, then so be it. Even at the price of the corpses of 1,000 dead youngsters strewn across the street, many of them burned beyond recognition. But it certainly wasn't Americans or Israelis who tried to turn the Haymarket into a charnel house. It was Muslims, pure and simple, following the teachings of their prophet. And their response has been to suggest that Christians, Jews or Buddhists might also have been behind it. Anything to deflect the guilt placed on their heads by the dwindling band of sane and rational people in the UK.
Greetings:
I never realized that John Quincy Adams was a JihadWatch-er.
Does anyone have his e-mail address?
”The problem is indeed much bigger than British authorities think, and much bigger than they are even now willing to admit.”
Yes, that’s because the problem is the KORAN.
If one just reads this incitement-to-hate 7th century con-man’s obvious fabrication it’s easy to see, by its clear words, how all kinds of violence against the infidels of the West can be justified. The Hadiths – which rightly should have very little credibility - make its impact worse. This is why the war on Islamic terrorism must be strongly fought on an ideological level as well. Since the cult is so stupid this would be easy if it were not for the fact of violent reprisals from the Muslim zombies. Thus it should be ideologically fought by the governments of the West but stupidity & political correctness makes them call this death-cult another “religion” so governments and the people of the West are constitutionally stuck with this violent plague. What a conundrum.
11B40 says
Greetings:
I never realized that John Quincy Adams was a JihadWatch-er.
Does anyone have his e-mail address?
John Quincy Adams had sommething you obviously haven't got: a functioning brain.
Now off you go troll, and take the lithium.
Islam is a mental virus, similar in action as HIV. For longtime you see nothing, but suddently there is an outbreak, the sudden jihad syndrom. That said, peaceful or moderate Muslims carry the virus anyway and must be treated. Free Muslims from Islam!
This is the same all over again. As far as the authorities are concerned, unless these Jihadis are carrying a fully paid membership card issued by al-Qaeda, they are not regarded as terrorists.
“They didn't belong to any terrorist groups. "If there is no trace then this means the terrorism situation in the UK is much worse than we have believed..." from the article above.
What? You mean they didn’t have no stinking terrorist baages? Our keystone kops: That’s not fair, I mean there are rules you know.
“**Breaking (Sky - unconfirmed) two perps @ Glasgow Airport NOT British**” by Un:dhimmi
What does that mean, I don’t know anymore, British Asian, Asian British, British, Asian, damn I’m confused.
tgusa:
"What does that mean, I don’t know anymore, British Asian, Asian British, British, Asian, damn I’m confused."
I JUST read this article by Barbara Stock at the link below the day before the Koranimals tried to blow London peeps up. When the Koranimals were burning Paris, they were called "youths" and now that everybody knows "youths" are Koranimals, former "youths" are now called "Asians"......
Here's the paragraph from her article about the new "Asians" of Europe:
http://www.republicanandproud.com/
"The European media, terrified of “offending,” and thus enraging Muslims, will not even refer to Muslims as Muslims. When reading a European newspaper or magazine, Muslims are often referred to as “Asians.” So if you read an article about rioting “Asian youths” in Paris, realize that they are not talking about rampaging teenagers from Japan."
Oh I get it ,
Rampaging Youths=islamists
Rampaging Asians=islamists
Rampaging British=islamists
Rampaging Frenchmen=islamists
Rampaging Japanese=islamists
Rampaging Little green men=islamists
Thanks for clearing that up for me BendOverItsAllah
That username is killing me.
Oh yeah, shouldn’t the islamists be enraged at the mmm for not referring to them as islamists? Hey islamists they are dissing you, quick, find Islamic rage boy and start up a rampage.
Mercedes? With the kabillions that the saudi dumb dumbs make. I personally would have gone with a couple of purple yugos. I'm pretty sure the Los Vegas gay 'give em da shaft group' was responsible.