And that pressure, says Audrey Hudson in "The Dems, the 'John Does' and the blogosphere" in the Washington Times, is coming from the blogs.
Public pressure is mounting on Capitol Hill Democrats to include the "John Doe" provision into a written conference report of the final 911 Commission bill.The provision would protect the public for reporting suspicious behavior that may be terrorist connected, and is the result of a current lawsuit against U.S. Airways and "John Doe" passengers filed by a group of imams who were kicked off a flight.
"Democrats have been backed into a corner by public outrage over their efforts, so we are seeing these Democrats publicly say they support it in principle, but behind the scenes they are working to kill it," said one Republican leadership aide close to the conference process.
"There are powerful Democrats in the House and Senate trying to kill this provision," the aide said.
"Keeping the pressure on" to include the provision are Sen. Joe Lieberman, Connecticut Independent and chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, the committee's ranking member, Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine whose efforts last week fell three votes short of passing the provision to an education bill, and Rep. Pete King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee and an author of the provision.
Some Republican aides are attributing the mounting pressure to support the provision to press reports and the blogosphere, where bloggers turned bloggyists are posting phone numbers of Democrat congressional leaders and urging readers to call in with their support.
"The blogs have been a terrific vehicle for expressing public outrage over Democratic attempts to kill this provision," said a spokesman for Mr. King.
Good. Keep it up.
I normally support the Democrats, but what the hell have they been smoking? First they vote for the war in Iraq, and now this? Nice job, idiots.
To the Dems, whose side are you on?
I normally support the Democrats, but what the hell have they been smoking? First they vote for the war in Iraq, and now this? Nice job, idiots. While you're at it, why don't you pass a law to institute Sharia law in the US, too?
Next, look for them to be working behind the scenes to pull the plug on us here. 'Can't have the American people have any say in the Democratic process.
". . . so we are seeing these Democrats publicly say they support it in principle, but behind the scenes they are working to kill it,. . ."
Time was when they could get away with saying one thing and doing the opposite. The bloggers will show the Dhimmicrat's duplicity as easily as seeing Henry Waxman's nose.
Note to CAIR: Start immediate proceedings against the crew and passengers of United Flight 93: Todd Beamer, Jeremy Glick, Tom Burnett, and the other John Does. We cannot let heroism go unpunished!
The Dems are idiots fools and charletons.
How anyone can vote for these fools is beyond belief.
It is also beyond me how they got the Black and the Jewish vote, whose interests should be more with those who would protect them and America.
And then you get a sneak like Dingy Harry Reid.
God better bless America because its going to need all the help it can get.
That these Dems even try stuff like this astounds one.
Bloggers had better watch out, the fascists will be demanding fairness. They will soon be demanding that both sides of the issue are given fair coverage. They will be calling for a non partisan examination of those who exhibit suspicious behavior and those who report their suspicious behavior to find out who is really the danger here. The gubment sez, be vigilant! Are they talking to john doe or to those who would sue john doe? I have a question, if they can sue people who report their suspicious behavior, can we sue them for displaying suspicious behavior thereby opening us up to a lawsuit for having to report their suspicious behavior? Islamocrats, they arent just socialists anymore.
What I don't understand is how heavily democrat states like Michigan,Ohio,Pennsylvania and most Northern states still support these clowns. I guess union jobs take pressident over your own safty and freedom. One day the poop will hit the fan. Wonder whom they'ii blame then?
It's all partisan, I think. The Democrats are supporting this measure (to criminalize the reporting of suspicious activity, which is basically what it amounts to) simply because the Republicans oppose it. It's about politics, not about the issue. "Sickening" is one word that comes to mind.
What else can I call Democrats that support killing this bill other than traitors and supporters of Islamism? These damn cowards are convinced that by appeasement they can use the Islamists to their advantage and gain votes over the next 50 years as a result! Toss out anyone who's trying to kill 'John Doe'! I expect every blogger to publish names when this is over with. It seems that it's the only way to get anyone's attention in Washington anymore.
CAN YOU EVEN IMAGINE WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY BY NOW IF IT WASN'T FOR THE EFFORTS OF THE BLOGOSPHERE!!!!!!!!
As an attorney, what I sense here is that the Democrats didn't want to offend the lawyers' lobby since it gives far more to their party than to the Republicans and thus leaving open all kinds of lawsuit possibilities is at least part of the reason the Dems attempted to take out this sensible (but not lucrative for the legal profession) "John Doe" provision. I think the Democrats may very well have miscalculated badly here.
The difference between Republicans and Democrats has rarely been more evident.
All Republicans voted yes.
All no votes came from Democrats.
The Democrats appear to be treating the threat of Islamo-terrorism as no worse than an agitated, stray dog; just keep walking, don't look back, don't make any sudden movements and soon the danger will be behind you.
"...treating the threat of Islamo-terrorism as no worse than an agitated, stray dog; just keep walking, don't look back, don't make any sudden movements and soon the danger will be behind you."
-- from a posting above
This cuts to the chase, and to the quick. I hope it is taken up and used.
Good on Americans,
I'm glad this is getting the heat. Commonsense does prevail after all.
Xero G: I agree with your observation. I would only add that the Democratic Party of old, that of FDR, Truman and JFK, would have been with the Republicans here. But sadly that party is almost gone and has been replaced by one that the named Presidents above would not recognize at all. One of the things that concerns me most in this War on Islamic Terror we are in is that we no longer have the two main parties in this country on the same page where fighting the barbarian is concerned. We're down to one (and sometimes I wonder about it) and that's not good at all. In fact, it may be our weakest link.
But we're not suppose to question the Dems patroitism. Remember Hillary yelling that.
Oh geez, and when a Democrat gets pressured to do something all they know how to do is go out in the field and bray like a bunch of donkeys.
They certainly picked the appropriate animal for their Democrat party.
I normally support the Democrats, but what the hell have they been smoking? First they vote for the war in Iraq, and now this? Nice job, idiots.
Posted by: GetBornAgain [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 23, 2007 6:59 PM
What do you normally support the Democrats on?
This is why Im not too worried about 08'. As bad as Bush has been, his poll numbers are higher than the Democrat congress. The Dems have swung so far to the left, only the fringe still support them. I just hope the Republicans use this to show the people the Dems cant be trusted with security since the Dems are more concerned with the feelings of the enemy. But then, so has Bush lately.
The Dhimms are also in the "Nay" column when it comes to the Patriot Act, you know, spying on and wiretapping citizens. (Citizens like Richard Reid, Ibrihim Hooper, CAIR, Hezbollah members)
You can bet your sweet butt that if a whistleblower wanted anonymity to rat on Halliburton, Democrats wouldn't think twice about voting for it.
The Republicans exasperate me, but the Democrats scare me. It's dumb and dumber.
Here is a video of John (Cougar) Mellencamp on the Colbert Report. He is not an official or any type of authority, but he shows how the left thinks.
What really gets me is how they hate Christianity, but use the words of Jesus to try to back up their arguments.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/id/250301196
On the morning of September 11, I had on the TV when the first plane hit.
I knew it was a terrorist attack before the second plane hit, and I knew the Democrats would politicize it before the 2nd plane hit, also.
I'm so proud of what we can do to persuade political thought! At least we are worrisome to some in power. Love that!
I really enjoy reading your responses, but I also hope you all are writing you congress man and letting them know how you feel. I just did and it took me all of 10 minutes to write something intelligent and another two minutes to copy and paste it to my represent ivies. That is how it works.
The corollary of "Loose lips sink ships" (a thought that the NY Times has obviously forgotten) would be:
"Sharp Eyes Stop Spies."
(And it is better to be sued than be worm food.)
keep walking, don't look back, don't make any sudden movements and soon the danger will be behind you."
-- from a posting above
funny thing this does not work on "pitbulls" aka
islamists.. they bite no matter what you do.
profitsbeard
Good slogan! You should do a bumper sticker. You could sell it to us in OZ and also those posters from the EU.
And how about, "Taking My Country Back"?
This topic has pleased me no end. I am convinced that the blogosphere and a few local journos are the only ones fighting the good fight.
Around the global we all cover different time zones and can galvanise by "meeting" in places like this, and take appropriate action.
I have a question: I have been posting here since the cartoon fiasco. Can any poster tell me if you really think the 'blogs are gaining power? Also do you get the feeling that "hostile activity" is ramping up?
I think it is.
"As an attorney, what I sense here is that the Democrats didn't want to offend the lawyers' lobby since it gives far more to their party than to the Republicans and thus leaving open all kinds of lawsuit possibilities is at least part of the reason the Dems attempted to take out this sensible (but not lucrative for the legal profession) "John Doe" provision. I think the Democrats may very well have miscalculated badly here."
As Wellington has stated, I too, think that they have badly miscalculated.
Just think of it this way, if a suspecious acting person survives his task (bombing, chemical, poison or whatever) and identifies you as the one that put the finger on him, he can sue you!
The Dem's have so little support, that they are grasping at even the fringe. And the fringe is trying to clean up its act, witness the DailyKos situation. There is no middle support for the Dem's. They have lost it over time.
Here is a video of John (Cougar) Mellencamp on the Colbert Report. He is not an official or any type of authority, but he shows how the left thinks.
What really gets me is how they hate Christianity, but use the words of Jesus to try to back up their arguments
Posted by: interestinconundrum at July 23, 2007 9:36 PM
Mellonhead is a complete idiot. I saw him in an interview and he said we shouldn't have gone to war with the Nazis in WWII we should have talked about our differences. That's insane even by leftist standards.
Here are the people the Dems are willing to meet with.
Warning. Very graphic video. You can even hear Allahu Akbar.
http://kamangir.net/2007/07/21/execution-in-the-islamic-republic-very-graphic/
Again. Very graphic but a good look into the mindset we are fighting.
Elric66: Hello again. I agree with you that the Democrats are now in Loonyville and that Bush looks not too bad by comparison. You know, I like Bush personally (please, no attacks for this statement----all right, go ahead and attack me) and think that he hasn't gotten enough credit for keeping us safe since 9/11 and for the terrific economy we have, in part due to his tax cuts (memo to tax hikers: increasing taxes virtually always loses federal revenue and reducing them always increases the government coffers). Yes, his PC statements about Islam are still disconcerting, but I would ask any blogger here the following: if you were President of the United States, would you denounce Islam publicly, even though we're still dependent on Mideast oil (yes, I know we shouldn't be but that's theory) and while we're doing our damndest to drain the vast Middle Eastern swamp so that maybe, hopefully, democracy can take hold in spite of, not because of, Islam? Just put yourself in Bush's position. How much would you keep to yourself and go for some kind of rough compromise? Remember, please, that all of our greatest Presidents, Washington and Lincoln chief among them, were accused of stupidity, incompetence, illegality, baseness, etc., while Chief Executive. Yeah, I know I may have opened the door here to opprobrium ad nauseam, but I figure it's worth the risk. After all, the survival of America and the West is at stake in this battle with the more enthusiastic followers of Mohammed's wretched creed. Debate is constructive, I would argue. So go ahead, hit me hard.
Nothing really complicated here...
The enemy-collaborators running their party painted themselves into a corner, and forced to make a hard choice...
1) lose votes by more moderates who know what's up and aren't stupid...or
2) lose their gravy train, and support, from the maximum leader who bought the entire party & got them there in the first place...
...either way, they're screwed-they're just looking for the softest crash landing possible.
That age-old enemy of political correctness is catching up to them: REALITY
;-)
To the Dems, whose side are you on?
Posted by: interestinconundrum
Ted The Red is on whatever side the Whiskey flows.. and there is nothing too PeeCee for him to bring into legistlation.
If it weren't for this dangerous [soumous todous eeemegrrantayhs] fool we would be in this mess to begin with. For anyone who didn't know: He is responsible for all the negative immigration reforms since the intial one in 1962.
That one was the unkindest cut of all..
You can easily get the phone numbers of your senators and representatives here.
Politely tell them that if they want your vote in the future they must protect from lawsuits those who in good faith report suspicious and possibly terrorist behavior.
Anybody know where one can read what the Democrats say about all this? How they pretend to justify it? I want to read it from the horses' mouths...
@interestinconundrum
That guy is a phoney AS THEY COME.. first the Cougar thing... then.. nahh.. too hoakey...
F*ck JC "I was born with a small brain" meloncrock!!
"I normally support the democrats but what the hell have they been smoking?"
posted above
...........................
What the hell have YOU been smoking?
Hey.. this is the same sht like they have when you kill a burglar inside your home.. YOU'll be the one questioned and interrogated ad nauseam and forced to spend on lawyers to defend yourself!
SAME Demo-crite lawyerolah CRAPPOLAH!!
I once chased a would-be burgar out of my Brooklyn loft in the early 90's when Southside Billyburg was still a bit of a 'hood' as opposed to the yuppie developer haven [complete with PeeCee arteestes complaining about gentrification and the war of course - blech!!]. The sucker roused me from my afternoon sleep - lucky for me I'd felt sick that day and requested to be allowed to go home from work - by sliding up my window and slithering into my place.
So I lunged at the bastard intending to kill him [I'm ashamed to say] and he just made it back out the window...
The cops didn't bother taking a report but they told me I was lucky I didn't catch up to the guy or they'd "have had to take me in".
This is a product of the same kind of thinking..
And I didn't even have a gun - or a knife. Just rage at having my place broken into by this junkie.
Needless to say I spent the next week [off work without pay] welding myself in.
Why go to work while crackheads can enter at will and take my earnings?
So.. why work and pay child support to islamofascists like they do in Germany and England?
One reason why I am here.. so let's keep this place as islamfree as POSSIBLE please!
Let's do it for ALL of US!!!
Allahfanculo...
One only has to do that in anti-self-defense states...like NY, most regions of CA, ILL, etc.
(My part of CA, we have a "deadly force" clause, but with limitations, since the "witches of east bay" racket don't like us shooting any of their voters)...
Most of the heartland (41 states) has deadly force clauses (they also have "shall issue" CCW laws -which also cuts violent crime massively every time it's implemented)...if they're in your house uninvited at 4am and you blow them away, cops just say "make sure they're inside the threshhold so we won't have paperwork to deal with." (a dead perp required 3X LESS paperwork to fill out than those left alive)...they also have anti-lawsuit laws (a criminal cannot sue for any reason if something happened to him during comission of a crime).
I had a similar incident in San Diego, caught 'em breakin' in (pretty brazen as we were home) at 2:30am...they were truly inspired by the M16 flash supressor in the nostril, and the distinct sound of an automatic weapon bolt being pulled back and clicking into position...
I made a deal with the clowns..."I'm giving you a deal you wouldn't give me. ADIOS!" (gee, wonder how he understood that? lol) They left, and I never had a problem again.
Never be ashamed about protecting yourself, even if ya have to make "the hard decision".
Wellington we DO have the Democratic Party of old! The Democrats of the 1861-65 Civil War, who were called Copperheads. The Copperheads fought Lincoln tooth and nail, and wanted a peace treaty with the South.
You just cant get the cut and run out of the Democratic Party. FDR, Truman,and JFK were anachronisms.
Lincoln threw some Copperheads in jail, and sent one packing to the Confederacy. See the Wikipedia discourse on Copperheads. You could almost substitute Bushs name for Lincolns in terms of some of the personal attacks by the Dhimmicrats, the Copperheads of 2007.
You are absolutely right about the lawyers feeding the pockets of the Dhimmicrats, and as well Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States through their agent CAIR.
Jcom.. good to hear you took care of bizniz..
My incident was in the early 90s.. Dinkins was still the mayor at the time.. not sure anything changed in the laws in NYC.. I moved to florida for a few years before I came back here.
Now I am ready to move back out of NY.. After Bloomy.. the deluge.. we're gonna get a real Socialist here in 09.
As for the hostage-taking taleban: Whatever happened to... DAISY CUTTERS ??
they're saving those for bigger & better showtimes, like Iran...speaking of Iran...B2s are also being retooled to carry what's known as MOP (Massive Ordinance Penetrator), the bunker-buster equivalent of a MOAB ("mother of all bombs").
By the way, if you're wanting to stay near NYC, I'd suggest Vermont...though socialist, they're still pretty free on the "shall issue" laws.
Here's a list
http://www.packing.org/state/report_shall_issue.php
Take your pick
jcom.. thanx 4 the info.. And always good to see your posts.. I found SerbianGirl on a German board a couple days ago.. I asked her to come back to visit us on JWatch.. she is missed I hope not only by myself..
I also miss Burkasforhitlery and AmericaninGermany among many others whom I can't recall at this moment..
I hope EVERYONE sticks around and that more will JOIN us..
Everyone is needed here.. Leon is great and so are the two Merts from England.. not to forget Yankeedood of course..
And Desi.. And Desidude as well..
So much to read tonight with one German still hostage and 24 Koreans.. most of whom are women.. oh, the *couth* of the islamofascists!!
Few people know about this outrage:
That quote comes from this article.
Just goes to show how a small minority of Muslims in a country can have an impact on legislation. All it takes is for politicians to perceive Muslims as a voting block, and they'll immediately start catering to them.
There's no way Democrats are going to sacrifice the Muslim vote, no matter how many lives it might cost.
Wellington..
I love you for being here.. but I can't follow you on Bush..
It's like with Republicans like these [see the border/amnesty issue] .. who needs Democrats?
Dumbya is a rich boy and he's in WAY over his head.
The Presidency is NOT a birthright nor is it a toy. The Presidency is a RESPONSABILITY and a COMMITMENT.
Remember.. with Republicans like these who needs enemies.. er.. I mean Democrats..
HOW NOT TO DEAL WITH GADDAFI:
http://sheikyermami.com/2007/07/24/libya-the-eu-how-not-to-deal-with-gaddafi/
Democrats say one thing and do another...this is new? Piffle....
Good work everyone who called in!
This shows the immense power that can be wielded and the number of people who could support the counterjihad.
I hope Jihadwatch will give the blogs that helped out information and lobbying suggestions for future counterjihad measures?
Wellington
Good morning. I would give Bush the benefit of the doubt if he wasnt so determined to keep our border unsecured. He has done great with the economy and Roberts and Alito were good coices. Plus his unwavering support of Abbas is disgusting.
I wouldnt expect him to tell the truth about Islam, but he is going out of his way to sell the lie Islam is peace.
"Clowns to the left , jokers to the right........"
The Bill should cover more than Airline Passengers. Jihad Joe could be anyone. He might even be the Dr. checking out your Colon.
The President Has asked Americians on several ocasions to be vigilant. So why wouldn't the Demoncrats be against it? They take the opposite position no matter the Issue.
If Bush started talking Peace, the Demoncrats would cry for War just out of principle.
The Demoncrats make me feel safer knowing the draconian policys they have for our Enemys. Like, not killing them, or Jailing them, or Investigating them, Tracking them, Keeping them out of the Country...
What could possibly be more fitting than a policy of not letting anyone pay attention to them?
Where's the Prozac? Where's the Valium? Where's the Shovel? The Season is growing short and there are a lot of Minds needing planting.
Both NY Senators Clinton and Schumer voted for the provision to protect John Doe. Both NJ senators votaed against it. While no surprise by the NYers, the NJ senators' vote is curious considering their proximity to NYC and their constituents where many of them work.
It appears that the war on terror outside main US target areas, with NYC obviously being the biggest, just doesn't hit home as of yet, but according to the polling in another thread, it appears that concern is growing and the dems best take it to heart, lest they find themselves out of a job.
A guy can dream, can't he?
Profitsbeard, mind if I use your slogan "Sharp eyes stop spies"? It's fantastic! It's also what I've been doing since 9/11. I figure the reporting prolly has me on more than one watch list.
Gramfam, in response to your two questions, my take is "yes".
We ran, about a year ago, into 2 RoPers in a restaurant. From our military training it was obvious they were casing the place. So, we decided it was time to give a little "message" and not spook the civilians. There I am on my dragon long scooter sitting in a small hall, pulling guard while my hubby is in the gents. Around the corner comes the younger of the two RoPers. He gets full glare of the 1000 yard stare and rushes into the gents. Hubby's in there, gets to listen to the guy wash his hands BEFORE tending to business. BTW, guy, when he met hubby, got to see a t-shirt "Got freedom? Thank a Marine!". mbwahahahaha
Jimmy Bones: You're absolutely correct to point out the Copperhead Democrats from the Civil War period who gave Lincoln such fits and often bordered on treason, especially Clement Vallandigham, who could be the poster boy I sometimes think for the modern Democratic Party. I would make this observation though: at least Lincon had more Democrats who supported him (Andrew Johnson is a good example) than Bush does now, so as bad as the Democrats were during the early 1860s, they're even worse now.
Allahfanculo and Elric66: Thanks for your comments. I agree with you both about the southern border issue. I myself wrote to the President twice, once in May and again in June, urging him to forget about that damn "comprehensive" immigration (amnesty) bill and do things one at a time, beginning with building the fence/wall in its entirety. And Bush's and Rice's soothing statements about Abbas also turn me off since Abbas is just a terrorist in a suit leading thugs who aren't quite as prolific at being thugs as are those in Hamas. Still, I think Bush has accomplished some things, not the least of which is a robust economy because he understands something that the Democrats don't and that is that government can either get in the way or out of the way where business is concerned and he also, I believe, has thwarted several Islamic terrorist attacks upon our homeland. (Elfric66, you also mentioned Bush's Supreme Court apppointmnents and I, like yourself, think they were very good ones.) Moreover, he has done this while being constantly hounded and viciously criticized by the Democrats who have no good ideas that I can detect on anything. Anyway, I understand why many don't like Bush (and yes he does say too may nice things about Islam but at least not as much as he did back in 2002 or so) but I don't take that personally at all. I will close with this and that is that even though I have several disagreements with the President, I think his heart is in the right place and I also would maintain that he's a lot shrewder than many people think he is. Remember that many of Washington's and Lincon's contemporaries thought these two men were stupid. My best to both of you.
Wellington:
I agree with your assessment on the President. I too voted for him and though I am disillusioned by his failure to stop illegal immigration I know the alternative vote would have made things worse.
I don't like calling him names either because I respect the office he holds and it presents a disunited front to the enemy. However, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism.
However, there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism.
Posted by: atheling
Not a thing. But there are so many things with Bush and the Bushmen, open to constructive criticism, it would take years to list them all. Better just throw them out with the democrats. They want to impeach someone, ok, lets 'impeach them all'. I would start at the bottom of the rotten barrel by impeaching Hairy Reed, who I consider a treasonous criminal, then we can work up the ladder of treason, incompetance, and stupidity, to the top...
You know when the dhimmes are in power......
The Clintons will have everyones FBI files.like last time remember?
So be a GOOD dhimmi and shut up! they know whats best for YOU..........