Spencer on France24

"out of pocket..."

Haven't we been over this before? And doesn't it mean "flat broke"?

Hugh:

Yes, we have, and no, it doesn't. It means "unavailable."

Yrs
R

"In response, one of the French interlocutors began speaking about Christian fundamentalists, violent texts in the Bible, and the Crusades. "

.....ancient history and at one time there were dinosauers on earth...and just what have the crusades have to do with Muslim violence today?...and just who is carrying out the Muslim violence today?....and just who is killing non Muslims in wholesale violence today?.....and just why did the crusades even take place?.....

Islam is for losers....

While I obviously have not read the book, I have read everything else Robert has written.

His words, and those of people like Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq, Bat Ye'or, Andrew Bostom and Serge Trikovic (among others) have convinced me that Islam is inherently evil and simply cannot be reformed without turning it into something else.

I strongly feel that we in the West are allowed and indeed obligated to define what is evil for ourselves and to state outright that Islam meets that definition.

Since Islamic theology proclaims that Allah commands Muslims to subjugating the entire world by force and to enslave or kill those who resist, and furthermore to hold as a Prophet and The Perfect Man one Muhammad who was a vile person, makes it evil in my book.

The world of Islam takes words like tolerance, justice, honor, free will, piety, empathy, wisdom, learning and turns them on their head. It is a good thing in Islam to kill for Allah since this life means nothing and the surest way to Paradise is to die fighting for Allah.

This is a deep sickness and Islam must be rejected in the West as anything close to what we would allow to be a protected religion.

I keep hearing that this is just not possible, but, if we can outlaw polygamy and force Mormonism to acquiesce, we can force Islam out.

Ethelred

Robert:

Thank you so much for the work you do. I have your two previous books on my iPod and enjoy listening to them, not only for the information (there is a LOT to absorb), but also for the sheer listening pleasure. I highly recommend those books to anyone who has not read them.

And I look forward to reading your new book. The false moral equivalence pov (specifically concerning Christianity) is the chief obstacle among so many folks. And I mean pov, not argument or principled position, because it is such an article of faith that these folks cannot even begin to consider the possibility that they ought to be investigating mohammed-worship on its own.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Already pre-ordered Batman's book and awaiting receipt with great anticipation.
J

Robert,

Can't wait for the new book! Thanks for all you do and please keep it up. This crazy world needs all the help it can get.

Robert Spencer has a prosperous business plan: bashing Islam and muslims wherever they are. You made huge amounts of money since 9/11, you saw the oppurtunity and took it. Now your expanding your franchise to Europe so you can retire comfrotably. Sir, you are a business man not an intellectual. You are a great propaganda machine that was successful at molding the mushy brains of blonde Americans who know nothing about the outside world. I wonder what would you have been doing if 9/11 attacks did not happen? I just wonder. Anyway, you will not succeed at attaining your goal, just like the American government did not succeed in Iraq. The East will rise victorious. Just think about the components of the East.
Ex-lover of jesus and no lover of Judeo-Nazis.

"...the anti-Christianity hysteria is the single largest factor keeping people from thinking clearly about and acting upon the civilizational challenge that the Islamic jihadists present."

It's ironic because the resurgent Jihad of Islam shows exactly why the message of Christ is more relevant and more essential today as it ever was.

Progressive,

I think you should change your handle from "progressive" to "projection."

Hey "progressive":

Please leave the West and go live in the wonderful "East," specifically Pakistan, Iran, Gaza, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Indonesia or Algeria.

Please submit totally to you god in a land that already does.

Hypocrite.

"Robert Spencer has a prosperous business plan: bashing Islam and muslims wherever they are."

It is well-known that a good way of making money is to invent your own religion. It worked for L Ron Hubbard and it worked for Mahomet. Give it a try, progressive.

@progressive

Now I know that the LORD saves his anointed;
he answers him from his holy heaven
with the saving power of his right hand.

Some trust in chariots and some in horses,
but we trust in the name of Jehovah, the LORD our God.

They are brought to their knees and fall,
but we rise up and stand firm.

O LORD, save the king! (Christ)
Answer [a] us when we call!

Psalm 20:9

In an earlier article on banning Jihad Watch July 10 I believe. I posted an editorial in the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin sent in by Munira Syeda ot CAIR in Anaheim, CA. Caroline commented furthur on Munira's clever insertion of "democratic nations" in their "obligation to let all people practice their religions without any intimidation, harassment or discrimination. Freedom to practice one's faith and respect for religious freedom are key to ensuring a more peaceful and tolerant world." Freedom where? Not in Islamic lands.
And in democratic lands we do have the say still in what we do and do not allow in he name of religion. As the Mormons understand regarding Poligamy.

"Robert Spencer has a prosperous business plan"

Posted by: progressive.

...incorrect as usual....the plan is dissemination of the truth, which Muslims do not want the infidels to know...

....Islam has a plan...a sinister one....we see Islams plan in action every day...there is evidence in scattered body parts donated by the local Islamic militant groups,....

In an earlier article on banning Jihad Watch July 10 I believe. I posted an editorial in the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin sent in by Munira Syeda at CAIR in Anaheim, CA. Caroline commented furthur on Munira's clever insertion of "democratic nations" in their "obligation to let all people practice their religions without any intimidation, harassment or discrimination. Freedom to practice one's faith and respect for religious freedom are key to ensuring a more peaceful and tolerant world." Freedom where? Not in Islamic lands.
And in democratic lands we do have the say still in what we do and do not allow in he name of religion. As the Mormons understand regarding Poligamy.
Regarding Progressive's comment sounds like somebody needs a hug. Somethin bothering them I guess.

The "anti-Christian hysteria" of too much of the USA and the world is also why Muslim Congressman Keith Ellison can be found courting the votes and sympathies of atheists:

Muslim Congressman Ellison Compares Bush to Hitler

"until the last blonde American.....his blonde mother......mushy brains of blonde Americans"

I have black hair, turning gray, my mother had black hair, her mother had black hair, and you have a problem.

Foehammer:

You have a point. I've noticed that many atheists on this board like to belittle and argue with the Christians. It does not serve our goals to bicker among eachother.

Not all do this, but I wonder at those who do... they are more a liability than an asset in this fight.

"In response, one of the French interlocutors began speaking about Christian fundamentalists, violent texts in the Bible, and the Crusades."

When this point is brought up, I've found it very helpful: the opposite debater has just admitted that Islamic fundamentalism is real, and capable of being a big threat. I've even been able to get traction by being the first one to bring this point up. I say "Look how much problems we've had with radical Christianity in the past, and that is a religion whose central figure never killed anyone."

atheling: I apologize for those atheists who are so hard to get along with and disrespectful and everything. They embarrass me no end. Not all atheists are like that... I hope... at least one, anyway...

I look forward to reading Robert's new book. I'll also recommend it to all my family and friends so that they may be better armed with knowledge in order to combat moral relativism, anti Christian bigotry, and most importantly, Islam.

Islamo delenda est!

It is partly due to the work of Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald and other writers that the West is becoming aware of just how much of a threat islam is. There are some signs that people are beginning to take heed of their warnings.

BRUSSELS DEMO 2007

Demonstration outside the European Parliament.

September 11th 2007.

Europeans are saying “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!” “NO SHARIA HERE!”

So join the call. All European nations must be represented.

http://sioe.wordpress.com/brussels-demo-2007/

Goob:

Apology accepted. I know that not ALL are like that... Live and let live, eh?

"In response, one of the French interlocutors began speaking about Christian fundamentalists, violent texts in the Bible, and the Crusades."

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor[h] and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matthew 5

Progressive has given himself/herself away in at least two-threads this morning with the over-usage of "blonde", and past and present usage of Judeo-Nazi.

Progressive is most likely a member of the Nation of Islam, CAIR or the Muslim Brotherhood, in my estimation, and failing those guesses, at the very least an anarchist with Islamist sympathies and very few "blondes" in the family tree.

LOL. In terms of petty cash and office expenses, "out of pocket" means you paid for it yourself out of your own money and you expect to be reimbursed by the office account. It's interesting to learn of its other meanings.

I'm looking forward to purchasing and reading your next book, Robert Spencer. This anti-Christian hysteria is beyond ridiculous and I don't know why so many have bought into these myths. "Christian fundamentalists have infiltrated the highest levels of American government, blah, blah, blah..."

Mr Progressive. Your somewhat correct that myself a blonde hair blue eye grandson of a Lebanese immagrant was not all that aware of the eastern Muslim world. On a field trip to a local mosque in CA with my son in the spring of 2001 I become more aware. Talk about a sales job, complete tour with Why Islam? brochure all geared at my son. Since 9-11 I have become more enraged. You are the mushy brain and the more you SUBMIT to whatever you follow this month, the more you become a useful idiot.
Robert Spencer just states the facts check it out.
If he makes a buck God Bless America.

JWHypocrite says:

"I'm having a hard time caring about JW anymore and only came to see if my posts would continue to be removed...hypocrites!"

Whaaa!!!!! Cry me a river. Are you the one who posted obscenities? If so, then it's valid censorship. You need to grow up.

Having a "hard time caring about JW anymore"? Like we "care".

BTW, thanks for the chuckle.

I'm a blue-eyed, freckle-faced, natural blonde and a Protestant with Protestant, Catholic and Jewish ancestry. I have just about completed my plan for world domination and will soon be ready to implement it.

Through selective breeding, even my brown-eyed brother has managed to have blonde-haired, blue-eyed children, who are poised to take over the earth.

Stand back, all you non-blondes with non-blue eyes, and fear.

Well you're not helping your cause by acting like a 6 year old having a tantrum.

Oh, and when I post my manifesto online, you'll know it's me because I dot all my "i"s with little hearts and colour them in with different-coloured markers.

(It's a blonde thing.)

This morning I read an article (published in the National Post) entitled: "Farewell, my jihadi friend". The author of this tripe throughout uses moral relativism to make the jihadist into a thoroughly likable, understandable person. I find this utterly revolting. Here was a Jihadist using women and children as human shields (in any war, a well recognized war crime) and the author heaps praise onto this bozo. Sometimes I just despair...(the "author" of the tripe puts the term Taliban in quotation/sneer quotes, says it was "too bad" that one was arrested on terrorism charges, expresses sadness over the death of the Jihadist, and (selfishly) thinks only about the power the Jihadist has of granting the "author" passes into "the wild world of radical Islam.") I suppose I could also do a content analysis and pick out all the praise-worthy adjectives used to describe these Jihadists...Anyway, it's the weasel-like, self-serving character of this author (it makes me cringe.) The author was most impressed because the Jihadist could (supposedly) provide a "zinger of a quote" to reporters. Yet, of course, the "zinger quote" proves to be nothing more than yet another "But THEY do it too!!" the usual tu quoque -- the typical baby squeal of "But they are guilty too!!!" I get soo sick of hearing the predictable -- "But they do it tooo!!" As if this suddenly, instantly, miraculously exonerates them. Yet for "authors" of this calibre, I guess it does -- they lap it up and exclaim about the wonderful "zinger quotes!"

I don't know what's happening to the National Post. The other day I also read another vile article by that atheist imbecile -- Hitchens. There's another moronic loser. Virtually everything this misanthrope writes smacks of utter and outrageous hypocrisy. (but that's another story.)

Anyway, I look forward to your new book, Mr. Spencer...(where I hope moral relativism will be banished to the waste bin where it belongs.)

@JWHypocrites,

You seem confused by the difference in having your post removed for offensive material to maintain a private web sites standards of decorum and Web Browser screeners blocking a site because of political pressure. One form is the blocking inappropriate postings that go over the line from a private individual, and the other blocks many private individuals over the politically motivated desire to have only one side of the issue presented.

Might I suggest from now on, you avoid extreme vitriol and have some form of facts and points in your statements. This just might allow you to continue to post here under yet again another alias.

In the mean while, welcome back (again), and please post thoughtfully.

@"Progressive the Regressive",

I'd truly respond to your posting, but it's just an ad hominid attack against Mr. Spencer, there is neither substance nor facts to discuss, it is just your typical vile bile you see on a playground. If you're going to attack Mr. Spencer, please support it with information to be discussed, not just names and unsubstantiated accusations. But then, I expect this from you, by now.

The anti-Christian hysteria is fed by two things: ignorance of Christian doctrine and history, and calculated attempts to undermine western civilization--the United States in particular.

The latter effort, coming primarily from marxists and assorted other leftists, is intended to delegitimize all sources of moral authority except for the central government. The "progressive" goal is to put the central government in absolute control of all human activity--what to say, what to think, what to do, what to study--and to have that central government run by, guess who, those self-proclaimed "progressives."

Islam has the identical goal, except that it intends that the central government be Islamic, and that all societal decisions, collective and personal, be made by Islamic imams and ayatollahs. This arrangement, of course, stems from the fact in Islam doctrinally there can be no separation of church and state.

In either case, the state is the absolute center of power, controlled by the anointed few.

Christianity stands in the way of this goal, and therefore must be emasculated and driven out of power.

The United States stands in the way of this goal, and therefore must be weakened in every way possible.

Western civilization stands in the way of this goal, and therefore must be subverted from within, via legal manipulation, academic misinformation, manipulative propaganda through the media and others, uncontrolled immigration, and the general draining of resources.

Robert is foremost a teacher, who in my view, shows astonishing insight and clarity in his writings, and a rigorous respect for the truth in all things. By writing the revealing books and articles that he writes, he sets himself against these totalitarian forces, and makes himself not only an intellectual and political target, but a physical target. If his goal were to make money, there are are easier and safer ways to do it.

Spot on, stendac.

Mr. Spencer,

Thank you for posting this book title. I will be purchasing it for sure.

I think I agree with your main premise that Christianity, as it is practiced today, does not pose a fraction of the problem that Islam does.

However, I do not necessarily agree that anti-Christian hysteria is the primary reason why Islamic extremism is not being dealt with. I do think some people make a bigger deal out of the problems from Christian fanatics than is actually the case, but it seems that a reluctance of society, in general, to admit that religion is something that can and should be put under scrutiny is the primary problem here.

People are simply unwilling to admit that Islam, as a religion, can be dangerous. This would force them to admit that Christianity can, even if it is not currently, be used to the same extent. Of course, Jesus was no warlord like Muhammad, but he did not seem to have any problem with the tenets of the religion which makes it an obligation to kill witches etc. There being the reason why it was used during the Spanish Inquisition etc. as a tool.

People should realize that religion is a private matter and should not be forced or coerced upon others. I think when this becomes more acceptable, people will be more likely to face the current threat Islam poses.

v4ri4bl3: (why do you have such a difficult name?)

Your argument does not hold. There is no evidence that Christianity can be used as a reason to kill innocents as there are for Islam. It's very clear in the Koran. The opposite is taught in the New Testament.

I think you better educate yourself better on the tenets of Christianity and of Islam so you can discriminate between the two doctrines. You fail to discern the difference between doctrine and human nature's failings.

like your jihad stuff.

But I try to ignore your christian apologism.

"Of course, Jesus was no warlord like Muhammad, but he did not seem to have any problem with the tenets of the religion which makes it an obligation to kill witches etc."

from posting above

NONSENSE!!!!!

Don't say stupid crap like that without backing it up. There's nothing to back that up and a dozen quotes could show the opposite. Jesus taught forgiveness and love.

Forgiveness and Love!
Forgiveness and Love!

Got that?

OMG, help me, I'm *so* confused right now. My brain does get mushy when watching CNN (Paris Hilton and PC crowd kill brain cells), but mostly I'm lucid otherwise. I'm from the East, but Christian, blue eyed but brown haired. Where do I fit in the world domination scheme????

Seriously, there are a lot of people here from different parts of the world, different religions and no religions and we all seem to agree on most things just fine. Maybe those guys from the show should move to Saudi Arabia to get away from all us fundamentalists of different colours. It'd be fun to see the 'being in Mecca while atheist' bit: 'er, officer, I was on my way to recite the shehada, I swear!!

Robert's work must be duplicated by all of us who visit this site. The same aplogies for Jiahdists are universal and our replies must be right to the point and administered in our communities.

Although I am batting about .400 with my leftist local newspaper, some of my articles have made the pages read by 45,000 people in our area. I have received no negative replies and have even been joined by other writer mentioning jiahd, Sharia, CAIR and the sinister nature of the Islamist movement regarding the supremicism Robert talks about. I am sure that many of those 45,000 are absorbing the message. Occassionaly, the newspaper prints national opnions of American Islamophobia but always they are countered by the truth from local people although I live in a very Liberal state.

I am also a musician and have devoted a whole body of original work relating to the Islamist threat to our culture and ideals. The intelligence mustered on this site should be filtered into the places where we live thus multipying Robert's tireless work.

I have already ordered the book - and I have to WAIT!

Oh well, that is one thing the military never got through my knotty, little brain - patience (hurry up and wait).

From some of the posts above - it seems that people get confused with the idea that a 'religion' such as islam teaches that killing, and other heinous deeds, are ok against people while another religion does not; and that bad people did indeed kill for religion. Look at the teachings of both and you will see the difference.

I don't put the Crusades in the same category as killing for a religion either. There might have been bad men in the Crusades who were on the Christian side, but that doesn't mean the crusades were called because Christ said to kill non-Christians. They were called to put a halt to the centuries of muslim slaughtering.

The Inquisition is an example of a bad piece of history for Catholics, but that is still not what Christ taught. And all of these examples, even ones that I have not included, are examples of bad men - not bad teachings. And because Christianity did not teach death and destruction is why it was able to change and to deal with bad men and to eventually separate religion and state. While islam is not able to do any of that - and I don't see how it ever could after reading the koran.

They would have to throw away much of their koran if they ever wanted to change. And I still don't know how they could follow a prophet such as the mohammed even if they did throw away most of the koran's teachings. He is the one who led the way - unless they censored him too.

...."Christianity can, even if it is not currently, be used to the same extent"....

athelingand yankeedoodl2:
Maybe you are missing v4ri4bl3's point?
There are documented cases through out recent history where the christian bible has been used by people or groups to justify or incite behaviour that is not a part of the teachings of Christ. And he/she is very clear in that. Just because some one states something that is outside of your inerpretation of your religion does not make their interpretation wrong or "stupid crap" or un"educate"d. Is this not what we accuse the islamic "radicals" of, and do we want to fall into the "my god is better than your god" trap?

That's right, Todd, stay ignorant so you can maintain your bigotry. Not much difference between people like you and Muslims.

Goob

I'm with you.

Atheling

You weren't speaking about me in the first place.

I am the atheist's atheist ... the bloke who, at atheist conventions, atheists point at and tell each other - 'oh boy, he's a bit atheistic isn't he'.

I've got no trouble with what people believe, never have, never will. Just as long, that is, as they aren't going around murdering people by blowing them up and chopping their heads off, etc. And I take my allies where I can find them.

GamblersChoice:

Again, you fail to comprehend my point. I said that there is NO SUBSTANTIATION in the Bible to support KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE as there is in the Koran. Give me some "documented" instances where the Bible was used for this please. You seem unable to discern between human failings and doctrine!

And sorry, but it's true. The Judeo Christian God IS BETTER than the Muslim god/demon. You know a tree by its fruits, as Jesus said. Show me a Muslim Mother Teresa or Maximilien Kolbe or Sophie Scholl or Corrie Ten Boom or Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

@stendec
Very good text. I just don't subscribe for that part that the US is part of the free world. First there is Bush I, Billy, then Bush II, how Hilary. Presidents out of only 2 families for so many years? Is that democracy? For really free countries have a look at Norway, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland and Austria. The US just doesn't count anymore. When Islam tries to turn anybody in submitters, the US way to life tries to turn everybody into a consumer. Unfortunately, they can only continue to do that by manipulating the flow of money and energy.

Do we need Moslims in the USA - hell NOOOOOOOOO!!

Can a Moslim be a good American ? - judge it yourself ..

This is something I've wondered about for some time now: How & why do the
Muslims hate us & everyone else so much? Doesn't their God teach them to
love?


Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was sent to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of
Arabia.

Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except
Islam (Quran, 2:256)

Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam
and the Quran (Koran).

Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns
in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends
with Christians or Jews.

Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual
leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great
Satan.

Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat
and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).

Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution
since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be
corrupt.

Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist.
Every Muslim government is e ither dictatorial or autocratic

Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the
Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as
heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent
names.

Therefore after much study and deliberation....perhaps we should be very
suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both
"good" Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish....it's still the truth.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above
statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who
understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

Pass it on, Fellow Americans.

The war is bigger than we know or understand

It is always incredible to hear the many ways individuals can befuddle what is so very clear. There is something deeply wrong with people whose reflex is always to turn against their own society, especially when faced with such an obviously immoral and deranged enemy.
Robert, continue giving them no quarter!

I understand your point perfectly, but my point and I believe v4ri4bl3's, is that people can use that book, and twist its words and meanings to make it say whatever they wish it to.
You seem to be unable to separate an attack on the missuse of the words in the book from an attack on the book.
I am not trying to argue with you, and I believe our god is better than theirs, and there is no place in the bible that condones killing innocent people. But that is not what is being said.

MusHuntCowboy,

"Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah
except
Islam (Quran, 2:256)"

The verse which states that policy explicitly is 3:85. The citation of 2:256 is not incorrect in this case (if it is cited with 2:257), but it doesn't clearly support the above quote.

progressive --

You stated: "You made huge amounts of money since 9/11, you saw the oppurtunity and took it. Now your expanding your franchise to Europe so you can retire comfrotably."

Such foolish talk, progressive. Only an idiot, like yourself, could focus your attention on the whistle-blower rather than the ones responsible for murdering innocent lives on 9/11.

Keep talking, progressive, as you give us more and more reasons why we need to vanquish Islam from existence.

Islam be gone!

Someone accuses Robert Spencer thus: "You nade [sic] huge amounts of money since 9/11, you saw the oppurtunity [sic] and took it. Now your [sic] expanding your franchise to Europe so you can retire comfrotably.[sic]"

There are all kinds of people making money hand over fist as policy entrepreneurs, "experts" on terrorism (you can see them on CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, NBC), and some are even entrepreneurs giving non-stop lecture tours and organizing othersfoir what turns out to be their own financial wellbeing. I have alluded more than once to some of these people -- including those who are, in a sense, ideological allies of JW. Yes, all kinds of people have been and are making out like gangbusters, even as they hold out their hands for more, and still more. Robert Spencer is not among them.

Robert has literally put his life on the line to get the truth out about Islam. No amount of money can compensate for that.

The verse which states that policy explicitly is 3:85. The citation of 2:256 is not incorrect in this case (if it is cited with 2:257), but it doesn't clearly support the above quote.
Posted by: Khaybar Oasis

Point taken. I had all this sent to me by a friend.
Thanks

MusHunt

According to Mark Humprey’s website this is Islam’s track record

80 million Hindus killed
60 million Christians killed
10 million Buddhists killed

In Africa over 120 million Christians and animists have died over the last 1400 years of jihad.

“Approximately 270 million nonbelievers died over the last 1400 years for the glory of political Islam. These are the Tears of Jihad which are not taught in any school."

There already is a Hindu Holocaust day but why not introduce Holocaust days for the Christians, Buddists, animists among others?

@Progressive,

I recommend to you the fictional work, "Atlas Shrugged", by Ayn Rand.

It's a tale of what happens to a society, when "making money" becomes the cardinal sin of business and industry.

If people didn't want to read, and thus purchase, Robert's books, he wouldn't be making much money, would he?

Disagreeing with his point of view, and most of those expressed by posters on this blog, is one thing.

Attacking the owner of the blog for making a living because it happens to be a good living just silly. It's also rude, but maybe you can't help it.

"the US way to life tries to turn everybody into a consumer"

You're right, swissy. As an American I will try to stop consuming things like Swiss watches, cheese and army knives.

@Swissy: The "...US way to life tries to turn everybody into a consumer. . ."

I am not sure why you think this is a damning statement. Treating people as consumers means dealing with them non-judgmentally and tolerantly--ignoring their ethnicity, their religion, their culture, and their political opinions and focusing instead on their practical wants and needs in a fair exchange.

The capitalist engine does not try to convert anyone into anything. It offers people choices, and they vote with their dollars/pesos/pounds/francs. It harnesses the economic system in service to the population at large rather than dictating what is "good" for them as determined by the Olympian Council (or the Politburo). A minor down side of capitalism is that if you, as a consumer, want something that is not popular, it will not be produced. But you are then free to produce it yourself, and market it to like-minded persons.

Economic freedom is every bit as important as political freedom in order to have "a free world."

I don't mean to take a slap at Norway, Sweden, Finland, or Switzerland, but it seems to me that their political freedom from external threat exists chiefly because it is guaranteed by the (very expensive to maintain) armed forces of the US, Britain, and Australia (mainly). These nations are standing on the embattled ramparts to resist global tyranny (right now, of Islam) and they keep the energy supplies stable for the world economy. If, internally, Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Switzerland do not wish to have economic freedom (or political freedom), that is their choice to make. But it is not fair or rational to criticize the US for treating these nations as "customers."

The philosophy of Christianity wherein, broadly, one is supposed to stop thinking about himself and live to love and serve humanity (fellow men created in God's image), dovetails with the service orientation of capitalism.

With Islam, on the other hand, one is required to serve only fellow Muslims, and to strive unto death to loot and plunder all others. This vicious ideology fits squarely into the "manipulative" philosophy that you seem to be so worried about.

I don't doubt that some Americans are manipulative. But such manipulation is a human failing, and not peculiar to the US or any other culture or political or economic system, save one. Islam is unique, in that it actually demands deliberately manipulative behaviour as part of core religious doctrine that is inseparable from both economic and political doctrine. Islam is a Total Way of Life. It is total war against infidels, and "war is deception."

I typically don't like to indulge Knuckle heads like progressive, but sometimes you have to make exeptions. "You are a great propaganda machine that WAS SUCCESSFUL at molding the mushy brains of blonde Americans who know nothing about the outside world." OK, 1st, I am not blonde, 2nd regressive, you are obviously concerned that Robert might have some influence to the negative for islam in Europe. I'm certain he will. 3rd, " The east will rise victorious." If true, why do you concern yourself? And if true, you don"t honestly expect us to go down without a fight, do you? Many of our posters here are very educated, worldly, or just plain street smart, who can't, won't be swayed very easily. But in light of all the horrendous deeds done by muslims the world over in modern times, Robert didn't do it all by himself. The muslim world speaks orrrrr doesn't speak for itself. I'm certain I have more brains in the tip of my pinky finger than you have in that big, bulbous protrusion bobbing back and forth on the top of your neck.

Progressive, I'd like to know if you are a Christian convert to Islam? A Westerner, ex Jew, whatever. And what compelled you? No harm intended. I just want to get a better understanding of people who convert to Islam. Please reply.

progressive:

I notice what you dont accuse Robert Spencer of.
You dont accuse him of lying. So that means you agree with his books, I take it, even if you dont like it?

progressive:
You are a great propaganda machine that was successful at molding the mushy brains of blonde Americans who know nothing about the outside world.

If you beleive that, please point out where he is incorrect, or exagerrating or lying.

progressive:
I wonder what would you have been doing if 9/11 attacks did not happen?

Would not matter. For 1400 years Muslims hve been busy, particularly in Europe in committing all kinds of atrocities.

progressive: Ex-lover of jesus and no lover of Judeo-Nazis.

Try using Google and see how many Nobel prizes for Scientific, Medical, Political, Artistic achievements the Arabs have picked up. Now do the same for the Jews. The Arabs have done virtually nothing for Humanity.

Robert l cannot wait to read your upcoming book! Christianity will always be to most attacked religion in the world and especillay in the West. The muslims are getting footbaths at a publicly funded university in Mich. Where is the ACLU on this!! this is public money going to a religious exercise! Where is the ACLU's concern over the separation of Church and State? l guess the ACLU has no problem with separation of Mosque and State? You all know if it was something for Christians the ACLU would be banging down the doors for a suit against the university!

Odyessus wrote:

"There already is a Hindu Holocaust day..."

What? When, where, how?

News to me mate.

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When France24 first started, I thought it was going to be wall to wall anti-US, pro palestine mounthpiece. I couldn't have been more wrong. I have managed to stumble across this channel now and again and have seen Andrea Sanke's show. She does allow her guests a free and uninterrupted say, inlike the bbc presenters who firstly, would never dare to invite someone like Robert on their show and secondly, who would just chop you off midstream if they thought that you were saying anything remotely unislamic.

Kudos where its due.

Oh, did I mention, I'm falling for Ms Sanke something rotten!

"the anti-Christianity hysteria is the single largest factor keeping people from thinking clearly"

I think it's more general than that. It's a kind of post-Communism leftist ideology that concludes anything white, Christian, western or male is automatically bad.

progressive is just like this "person"
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=26243_Jihad_Family_at_YouTube_(Update-_Account_Suspended)&only

UK infidel lover,Mustang65 and others don't ya think we all owe a bit of gratitude to our useful idiot mr. progressive. After all he got this blogg humming.
It wouldn't surprise me if he is chating right now with his Bro's at Friday prayer on how to get even with us Infidel's. Protocall now as I understand is:

1. To properly invite us to join him in his faith.

2. To accept our refusal and request a small donation for putting up with us rebels. If that doesn't happen. Well let's just say that is where we are at at this point in time with Mr Progress and his religion of death.

progressive: "You made huge amounts of money since 9/11, you saw the oppurtunity and took it. Now your expanding your franchise to Europe so you can retire comfrotably."

Spencer's motives are so obviously remote from your suggestion that it is laughable. But Progressive - just in case it escaped your notice:

1. Your "prophet" was a professional thief. That's how he made his money - robbing caravans to start with before he progressed to attacking entire communities and seizing not only their wealth but their women and children as well, which he sold into slavery.
2. Your "holy book" (the Koran) has a great deal to say about "booty". Booty is what you get when you rob people. What other holy text talks about booty, let alone devotes so much attention to the topic? There's a clue right there that you've been taken in by a charlatan posing as a prophet.
3. A central feature of your religion is to collect the jizyah (protection money) from the infidels - which is basically what the mafia does. The mafia is a criminal organization which essentially robs people of their money in lieu of killing them.
4. Islam is completely parasitic. Muslims have to keep expanding their territory through violent conquest and then they use and abuse the infidels in the conquered territories to keep the gravy train flowing until they've exhausted the infidels' resources and erased their cultural histories and appropriated all their achievements for Islam. That is theft. That is robbery - of entire civilizations. And after accomplishing that, Muslims have to move on to the next conquest and appropriation ( i.e. robbery) because Muslims are unable to produce anything of their own.

Islam is a parasitic civilization. It was born of highway robbery and has essentially never transcended its origins in it's professional thief "prophet".

Muslims are the ultimate robber-barons. The only "religion" which officially sanctions theft.

Your own homelands are wastelands now that you've destroyed all the infidels who fed your parasitic existence and now you're moving on to greener pastures as parasites on our far more advanced western cultures.

Who the hell are you to talk about the corruption of money? Your prophet was a thief and all of you following in his path are just a chip off the old block.

BTW Progressive - do you live in the west? Do you feed off the west's largesse like a parasite while attacking the host that feeds you?

I want an answer to that question. Do you or do you not live in the west?

A few reminders for those who continue to believe that Christians have been "peaceful" since the Crusades.

Regarding Native Americans: Cotton Mather compared them to Satan and called it, "God's work - and God's will - to slaughter the heathen savages who stood in the way of Christianity."

200 Years Later: As he aimed his howitzers on an enncampment of unarmed Indians at Sand Creek, Colorado, in 1864, an army colonel named John Chivington, who had once said that the lives of Indian children should not be spared because "nits make lice," told his officers: "I have come to kill Indians, and believe it is right and honorable to use any means under God's heaven to kill Indians."
Note: There are actually right-wing holocaust deniers out there who claim Europeans had nothing to do with the demise of the Natives!

Europe 20th Century:
The Ustashe regime of Croatia committed genocide against Serbs, Jews and Gypsies during World War II. They also mass murdered other political opponents. Mile Budak, the Minister for Education & Culture, said in July 1941 that "The basis for the Ustashe movement is religion. For minorities such as the Serbs, Jews, and Gypsies, we have three million bullets. We will kill a part of the Serbs. Others we will deport, and the rest we will force to accept the Roman Catholic Religion. Thus the new Croatia will be rid of all Serbs in its midst in order to be 100% Catholic within 10 years."
Elie Wiesel answering a question with respect to who committed the Jewish Holocaust: 'All the killers were Christian. The Nazi system was the consequence of a movement of ideas and followed a strict logic; it did not arise in a void but had its roots deep in a tradition that prophesied it, prepared for it, and brought it to maturity. That tradition was inseparable from the past of Christian, civilized Europe.'
...a Serbian named Slobodan Milosevic, a former Communist who had turned to nationalism and religious hatred to gain power. He began by inflaming long-standing tensions between Orthodox Christian Serbs and Muslims in the independent provence of Kosovo...(b)y now, over 200,000 Muslim civilians had been systematically murdered. More than 20,000 were missing and feared dead, while 2,000,000 had become refugees. It was, according to U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Richard Holbrooke, "the greatest failure of the West since the 1930s."

Now: A BARNA Research poll shows that evangelical Christians are the least likely group to help AIDS victims in Africa—less than 3 percent said they would financially help a Christian organization minister to an AIDS orphan. Why? Death is the ultimate penalty for sin; we shed few tears for those whose death comes more quickly than most as a consequence of sexual sin (a view shared, coincidently, by African Muslims).

I firmly believe that debating whether one belief is superior(more peaceful) to another is not going to work. I contend, and Robert has too, that the solution to radical Islam is to politicize it. A system that controls schools, the military, the media, the law and legal system, business relations, the monetary system, public works - is called a governmental or political system. When recognized as such, like Communism, it too can be demonized and outlawed. Religious debate has been going on forever and has done little to change fundamental beliefs. I would love to see the market flooded with books such as: "Islam and Totalitarianism: A Comparative Study", "Collectivism: Islam and Communism in the 21st Century", "Is Khomeini A King?","Islam vs. Democracy: The Next Big Political Struggle" or sure to be a huge seller "The Rise of Islam and Why It Will End Capitalism". Get the power elite's panties in a knot, threaten their wallets, and see how fast the threat ends.

MusHuntCowboy,
If you haven't seen it, here is an explanation of Islam's version of multiculturalism. Below is just one small piece.

http://islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/Islamic-Multiculturalism-Endless-Jihad.htm

Muslims are the legitimate owners and rulers of all infidel lands

When the Islamists migrate to an infidel land, they do not enter a foreign land. They are actually occupying a land which Allah has reserved for them. Any Islamist will tell that the entire earth belongs to Allah. Therefore, every Muslim has the inalienable right to move to an infidel land and occupy it for the sake of Allah.

Allah grabs the land of the unbelievers…28:58

Allah promises believers His sovereignty on earth. He will establish the authority of His chosen religion (Islam)…24:55

Explained by ibn Kathir, this means Allah has made Muslims the leaders and rulers of mankind through whom He would reform the world and to whom people would submit, so that they would have in exchange a safe security after their fear. Here is another verse:

Sovereignty belongs to Allah (the basis of an Islamic state). He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills...48:14

The old 'but Christians were just as bad' red herring is such a joke. Reminds me of the anti-feminist arguments we used to get: 'but women beat/rape/abuse men too!' etc. To which we'd look bemused and say 'ok then, if that's what you're concerned about go ahead form groups to prevent such horrors. We'll support you.'

Funny, they never actually did so.

So challenge the people who bring up this islam-apologist arguments to go and start an anti-16th-century-crusades or an anti-christian-violence campaign, if they think that is the concern of today LOL!!!

Lili,

They really grasp at straws, don't they?

"The East will rise victorious. Just think about the components of the East.
Ex-lover of jesus and no lover of Judeo-Nazis.

Posted by: progressive "

Jackass, ever heard of Chicoms ? They are not PC, they take your child away if you have more than one, they put him in their programmed inhuman army, and if you dare to protest, you are placed in one of their gulags where you work on food until you die, and then you are cut up and fed to the living inmates. In other words jackass, do you know that The East is not controlled by islam ?

There's actually all sorts of murder condoned and incited by the Bible. Here's a link with a few examples:

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

As a Jewish child (now an atheist) I didn't have a really fun childhood, thanks to all the Christian kids who egged our house, chased me around and called me dirty Jew, and the like.

The difference is, save for a handful of nutwads, most Christians don't want the rest of us dead for not believing in Jesus. (I do find it amusing that I've been told that I, as an atheist, will not go to the imagined place called "heaven," while, if Adolph Hitler accepted Jesus as his savior, he'll be allowed in.)

And Christian preachers do not stand up every Sunday and suggest their parishoners kill everybody who doesn't practice as they do.

Until 9/11, I thought very little about Islam -- and I equated it with astrology -- just another silly, evidence-free belief. But, again, the difference: No astrologers are calling for my death because I don't think I'll have a day if the moon is in Aquarius.

Sorry, that's have a BAD day if the moon is in Aquarius.