If the mainstream media picks this up at all, it will be as a heartwarming sidelight to the horror of war, and if the folks at State notice, they'll be showcasing these soldiers as proof that the U.S. is not at war with Islam. No one, but no one, will dare raise the small side issue of the fact that most likely they had to convert in order to marry their Afghan sweethearts, since Islamic law forbids a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man -- although it allows a non-Muslim woman to marry a Muslim man. This double standard is vivid evidence of the supremacist element of Islam, since it is assumed that a woman will become part of her husband's household, such that the Islamic community will by such marriages always increase, and the non-Muslim community always decrease. And that same supremacist element, of course, fuels the jihad that these soldiers are in Afghanistan to fight. Bravo for life's little ironies.
From Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty via EurasiaNet:
An Afghan newspaper, cited by the Reuters news agency, reported on July 26 that two U.S. soldiers have converted to Islam and got married in Afghanistan.The "Hewad Daily" reported that the two soldiers are stationed at Bagram Air Base north of Kabul, the center of U.S.-led operations in Afghanistan. An unidentified U.S. military spokesman said he is working to verify the account, but added that freedom of religion is a protected right under the U.S. Constitution.
An Afghan cleric, referred to only as Hamidullah, praised the soldiers’ alleged conversion, stating that "if anybody embraces Islam...his sins committed in this world will be forgiven and Allah praises him and his family, and will bless him in the coming world too."
If the report is confirmed, the two soldiers’ conversion to Islam will be the first such cases among U.S. soldiers since the U.S.-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001.
ALLAH-CADABRA!!
"if anybody embraces Islam...his sins committed in this world will be forgiven and Allah praises him and his family, and will bless him in the coming world too."
Good luck to both of these dip-shits! Two more slaves of satan into the fold!
Obviously, Plan B by the Jihadist's under the "Generations Plan" (Europe Inspired) and "Conquer the Infidel by Hussy'ing up Our Women..."
In this case, did the bride wear black? And is the happy groom assured he didn't, in fact, marry a jawa creature from Tatoone?
-osgo
"No one, but no one, will dare raise the small side issue of the fact that most likely they had to convert in order to marry their Afghan sweethearts..."
Actually, they had to convert in order to see what their sweethearts looked like under their ninja suits...
...and then it was too late!
I suppose the wives will come to US with the husbands...I'd much prefer they were the British and German wives that came to the US after WWII.
"two U.S. soldiers have converted to Islam and got married in Afghanistan. JW"
Disgrace to human race.
Immediately assign them to IED removal details.
They'll be protected by Allah.
Moonbat
Physical Description: Short humanoid with glowing amber eyes, invariably attired in a black hooded robe of coarse material, boots or leg-wraps, gloves, and facial veil akin to that of the Tusken Raiders. What lies beneath a Moonbat's wrappings, no one knows (and no one has been particularly inclined to find out).
"...Islamic law forbids a Muslim woman to marry a non-Muslim man -- although it allows a non-Muslim woman to marry a Muslim man".
Islam is a sick-patriarchal oppression system (only non-Muslim-Armstrong-style-flunkies choose not to see reality here). Women are basically just considered to be breeders in Islam. It's the truth.
We support our troops!!!! :)
What's to keep the soldiers from 'changing their minds' once they get back to God's country? I'm hoping they had their fingers crossed the whole time they were being 'cleansed' or whatever took place to make them a Muslim. I pray that once the brides get over here, they ditch the burkas, know the truth and the truth will set them free. When that happens, may their marriages be richly blessed.
Monkeybrains-
I'll bet you are right. When a man loves a woman he'll stop at nothing for her and when a woman sees a door out of hell she'll take the exit out of Afghanistan.
OK, OK, I'm the only one, but I AM curious to know the race of the soldiers. Sorry, not being racist, although it may seem as though I am, but since the folks most ready to convert to Islam from the US seem to be black...
A slightly side issue:
Has anyone heard any follow-up since the “conversion” of FOX News’ Steve Centanni and his New Zealand cameraman Olaf Wiig? Have they renounced their conversion or are they attending a Mosque and bowing to Mecca 5 times a day?
Just wondering.
Perhaps upon return to the US, these lovebirds will reveal the 'conversion/reversion' was used to spirit these women away to a land where their actual declaration of faith will reveal a different story - a conversion of another kind in a country where 'freedom of religion' is law of the land.
OK, I'll admit, it's wishful thinking, but one can dream. Having viewed the film "OSAMA" an Afghan film which describes life under the taliban as a female, one can only see an Afghani woman leaving Islam as quickly as possible, once safely in the US.
Hopefully this is a case of thinking with youre dick.
Islam may be behind the times in the marriage department but it was hardly unique. For most of its history the Catholic Church would sanctify a marriage between a Catholic and a non-Catholic only on the condition that any children from the marriage be baptized and raised as Catholics. This was church policy at least until Vatican II.
Seriously guys, who gives a shit? My bet is they converted just to marry a muslim chick. I dated a muslim woman once... but she just couldn't seem to decide if she was and American secular muslim or a traditional muslim. She wanted the best of both worlds: family happy (they came here when she was 5 or 6) and her being happy (being a typical american 22 y.o. woman).
My guess is when they get to the U.S. the women will embrace the fact that they are not kept under the man's "thumb". Ever think they married the Soldiers to get out of that back-assward lifestyle. I highly doubt the soldiers are super-duper enthused about Islam. I'd do the same thing for the right woman... (with my fingers crossed of course). Love is a wierd and wonderful thing and I won't take that away from them. Chances are if the women were super-duper "traditional" to begin with or there would have been zero chance for them to even meet and get to know a Kuffir man at all.
There is a huge difference between questioning and challenging the idealology, motives and methods of the R.O.P and just being a plain old bigot. Some commenters seem to be in the camp of th latter. Islam MUST be questioned and challenged at every turn. Sharia creep MUST be stopped. But you have to separate that from the individual muslim. Because there ARE secular muslims out there who don't buy into islamic supremecism or violent jihad. I'm not Dean Esmay who thinks everything is hunky-dory with Islam, but I have met some secular/moderate muslims that really do mean it and put their money (or their ass) where their mouth is every day in Iraq. Those people that prove themselves should be embraced and supported not shunned and degraded. Our country was founded on freedom of religion. As long as one religion does not want to be treated more special than the others or get special privlidges or expect everyone else to bend to their will, then we should accept that religion. Individuals and groups, OTOH, should be questioned and judged based on their actions. Those that stand against what this country stands for (ie the Counsil of Angry Islamic Radicals or CAIR) should be politely put on a plane to Sudan or Saudi Arabia.
The blacks in America may be prone to convert to Islam for the supremacist promises of the belief system (though they end up bowing to the palace of the Arab-Semitic-Caucasians who were deeply involved in the slave trade. Islam is the engine of Arab Imperialism). However, I think here (black or white) the soldiers were probably thinking about pussy cats.
OK, OK, I'm the only one, but I AM curious to know the race of the soldiers. Sorry, not being racist, although it may seem as though I am, but since the folks most ready to convert to Islam from the US seem to be black...
Posted by: Coeurmaeghan
Considering Islam's considerable anti-black racism, I'd be surprised if they're black. The brides' families would never allow it.
As long as one religion does not want to be treated more special than the others or get special privlidges or expect everyone else to bend to their will, then we should accept that religion.
--posted by BadBrad
And that is why I believe Islam should be outlawed!
Coeurmaeghan-
One other thought. I don't think American blacks are going to be fooled by the racist Arabs. They should get a prize for their racism. No-in the long run the great majority of American blacks are independent minded-as are most Americans. They will not buy this Arab Imperialist hustle, called Islam.
I didnt know it was legal for Americans to marry gargoyles.
and for women who marry into Islam--here is recent case--
pay attention: Heather Jones, American citizen, married and converted to Islam-husband beat her, threatened her, divorced her, now he is demanding kids and Oman is kicking her out of the country, and she will never see her three small children again...
Greetings from Rosemarie Jones of Kansas City, Ks.
May19th, 2007
I need your urgent attention and assistance regarding my niece and her children in Oman. They are in need of getting help to get them all safely back to the United States. Immediate repatriation out of Muscat, Sultanate of Oman is needed.. Although she was awarded full custody of her children by an Oman Supreme Court decision; she now risks being deported from Oman without her children on June 1, 2007. Our family wishes to let her story be known, I am asking your help is spreading the word of her plight. Contact your U.S. Senators, Congressmen, the U.S. Ambassadors to Oman, and the Omani ambassador to the United States. Also contact any media source you may have local and national newspapers, radio, T.V. Stations and networks. News of her deportation just occurred. Time is of the essence and action needs to occur very soon!
Khadijah Heather Jones is an American citizen born in St Louis Mo. She has 3 children. Zakaria, Amani, and Yosef. Heather went to St. Louis to be with her family, and receive cancer treatments and her children were with her on the trip stateside. When she returned to Oman, her father assisted her in traveling with the three children. When they were picked up at the airport, they were separated into 2 cars. This is where Jamal abducted the children. Her husband, Jamal Mohammed AlBalushi then told Heather he was divorcing her, and in keeping with the law of Oman, when” I divorce you” is repeated it three times with witnesses as is required by law you are divorced. She discovered where her kids were 45 days later and went to them. She was then arrested as an intruder, severely beaten and all her keys were stolen by Jamal and her brother-in-law Faisal Mohammed AlBalushi, who until recently worked in the Palace for His Majesty Sultan Qaboos and has been terminated due to his involvement in this matter.
Jamal has threatened her life repeatedly. One time in front of US Embassy witnesses. Jamal pursued her in a car chase, Heather drove to US Embassy grounds where the guards there protected her, her father and the children behind Embassy gates. Suffice to say, there are many harrowing occurrences. There are too many to enumerate now. Bottom line is this, she is was forced out of the home, forced out of her job, and now looks at being forced out of the country without her children. She will not be able to enter Oman again, and due to the actions of Jamal canceling the kids American passports, the kids are not able to leave Oman. Intervention needs to occur quickly. Can you find it in your heart to contact your U.S. Legislators, contact the State Department and ask for inquiry into this matter? Her story needs to get out; many voices need to be heard. It is just not right to keep the mother who was awarded custody apart from her children. Jamal has stated outright he does not want the children, he just wishes to hurt Heather by using them as human pawns in his game to terrorize my niece.
UPDATE: the hurricane postponed the first court date--its coming up again, you can read the entire story at:http://womensspace.wordpress.com/
but the ridiculous thing is when feminists think they can change the entire way of Islam, because this isn't a lone case, it happens all the time. Personally I can see why the State Department is not investing a lot of time in helping her--why should they? She made the choice,
but thats just it, so many people think 'it won't happen to me' then they find themselves at the mercy of Islam and Sharia.
let this be a warning to all the women in the west....mess with Islam, you get the same treatment in Islam. Just because you are European or American makes no damn bit of difference.
so to the liberals/leftists I ask,
still want to lie in bed with this totalitarian system?
Natasha
Coeurmaeghan-
Islam is the Arab imperialist hustle. It is the engine of Arab Imperialism. Look at Saudi Arabia and the exploitation of foreign workers. Islam is a monstrous hustle and will always be the Engine of Arab Imperialism. It's not much more than that-not really.
"What's to keep the soldiers from 'changing their minds' once they get back to God's country? I'm hoping they had their fingers crossed the whole time they were being 'cleansed' or whatever took place to make them a Muslim. I pray that once the brides get over here, they ditch the burkas, know the truth and the truth will set them free. When that happens, may their marriages be richly blessed.
Posted by: Monkeybrains"
Thats what I'm hoping happened. They may not have been religious at all and just said okay okay I'll convert. And has been pointed out, these 2 afghan women now have a much coveted ticket out of hell. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and wish them happiness
Take a careful look at that article. Everyone seems to be assuming that it's the old "war-bride" story of a male GI marrying a British (or German, Italian, Japanese, or Korean or other) girl. But the article doesn't say anything about Afghan women. Consider the number of women in the armed forces these days. Maybe it's a male GI marrying a female GI, and both converted to islam. Or maybe it's two guys marrying each other -- what's the military's stance on gay marriage?
Assalamau LAikum all,
This is good news indeed.....I wonder what the attraction was...the sweat or perhaps the eyes.....
Anyway to drive these womens sexually wild they will have to keep a brillo beard but shave off the mustache...that look is so....sexy .
Its not only the wretches they married and the fact that they 'reverted' to the blood-cult.
What's even more troubling is that almost certainly the whole illiterate clan of these females will now gain access to the US, and they won't return, unless they follow their imam's call to wage jihad against the invaders.
I blame the shrub, the media and the overall ignorance in America, that makes believe all cultures are equal and that we are somehow to blame that Islam is such a disaster, that's what stinks...
The story should be... Two Horndogs convert in order to get some...
I suspect this sex discrimination about only men being able to marry non-muslims is contrary to British law. It must therefore be something that goes on in Islamic countries only, since surely no imam would ever preach practices that are contrary to the law of the country in which they live.
These soldiers could do the world a favor by taking three more brides and insisting on additional housing allowances from the military. That would make for good TV.
Natasha-
I frankly think you are at the core of the truth on this. I too don't understand the silence of the western flunky "femanists" on the matter.
About 7-8 years ago I read an article in a local paper about a lady who lived in Parsippany, N.J. (a pal of mine has an office there) who had her kids abducted to Saudi Arabia by her "husband". Her desperation was great because she could not see them and did not know where they were in Saudi Arabia (two girls). This situation had been going on for some years as per the article. The State Dept. was useless in the matter. When politics is involved, the truth is an orphan. That's reality.
There should be a ban on this in the US army. If they had any clue of what this entailed, they'd be dishonorably discharged and stripped of their citizenship, so that they could go ahead with their marriage.
If the Muslimas in question really love them, why didn't they convert & elope? They'd then have become US citizens by marriage, and could have moved out immediately.
Two soldiers whose service I refuse to honor. Hell with them.
Lots of us have served outside the country but most of us took our brains with us.
PMK: Your comparing Roman Catholic policy respecting marriage to that of Islam is hardly apt. I respectfully submit to you that in any such comparison it must be kept in mind that Catholicism never decreed the death of someone who didn't follow its spiritual directives concerning matrimony. Excommunication perhaps, but not death in this world. If a Muslim woman would dare marry a non-Muslim man, sharia mandates the death penalty. And I write this as one who is not religious in any way, but fair is fair. Give me the traditional Roman Catholic policy on marrying outside the faith any day of the week over what Islam demands in this regard.
I remember seeing a tv made movie with Sally Fields a while back called "Not Without My Daughter", which was a true account of an American woman who married an Iranian man, had a child with him, and was taken back to Iran for a visit with his relatives. When they got there, he took away her passport and virtually imprisoned her. He also threatened to keep her away from their daughter so that she wouldn't run away.
She went through quite a harrowing experience to get back to the States (via US Embassy in Turkey) with her daughter. To be fair to Iranians, an wealthy Iranian man who was quite westernized was instrumental in sneaking her out of Iran with her daughter.
I recommend this film to many young women who are ignorant of what can happen if they marry Muslim men.
Top Muslim cleric raises controversy by coming out against killing of apostates
http://www.pr-inside.com/top-muslim-cleric-raises-controversy-by-r185681.htm
Its only a controversy when Muslims are AGAINST killing.
What's to be excited about?
The Nat'l Defense University is pushing the idea of "good Jihad" and impressed many. Nancy Pelosi just met with the Moslem Brotherhood for advice. President calls Islam a great religion, and his bemused sidekick Condi, who threw a party in honor of Ramadan, with all its connections to murder and robbery.
Why worry?
Whether or not they married the women, with the obligatory, precursory conversion to Islam in order to free the ladies from the oppression of Islam, the fact still remains. These women will now gain instant access to the US.
Yeah they may laugh off the conversion once stateside, then again, maybe not. We will see how this one plays out for sure.
The important point to which Robert alluded to, is that no media source will elaborate that they converted not because they just decided to embrace Islam and marry the girls, but rather that the conversion was required under Islamic law. More capitualtion by non-Muslims to Islamic ideology. These examples add up as an attempt to put some more lipstick on the pig of Islam.
Just how can US soldiers find the time to accomplish this feat and find "true love" while on active duty in a war zone in Afghanistan anyway?
Wellington,
You are correct about the erroneous analogy. What I find strange and little hypocritical on some of our commenters here is that they are adamant (as I am) about immigrants coming to our country and having to naturalize and integrate into our society. After all, if a person chooses to live in America, they must live like an American.
However, why is the Church not allowed to have the same or similar policy regarding its dispensations of the sacraments? If you want to marry a Catholic in the Church, (and marriage IS a sacrament) then you ought to convert, or at least permit future children to be raised in the Church. It cheapens the Church's sacramental nature of matrimony to permit anyone under the sun with any kind of attitude to marry within her.
As you said, the Church does not issue death fatwas to anyone who does not follow her directives. Excommunication is hardly used in these cases either, though the sacrament of communion is not permitted. In my own parish there are several instances of these cases and the people in question still attend Mass but do not receive Holy Communion. They are not ostracized; they are not shunned; they participate in all of the social events within the parish too with no problems. As far as many in the Church see it, it's a private matter for their own conscience.
''An Afghan newspaper cited..."
Lolololol....BULLSHYT.
So my question is, due to the fact I have many a friend over there that are under "lockdown" most of the time.
When did these Soldiers have the time to hook up and marry these women? And to top things off since they are on "lockdown", who was the Superior who "authorized" these weddings?
Little miffed and kind of annoyed. I don't want my soldiers over there getting married when they are suppose to be doing a damn job!
Well if you click on the links, one says that the story is not confirmed yet.
Naseem once again you polish that sucka.
You so confidently assume that the men will fall all around Islam.
You forget the chances are better that the women will fall into freedom.
I wouldn't convert to islam if i could marry the queen of the world.
How grand would it be that the first thing they did when thier plane landed in the states was run to the nearest church and beg God to wash the smudge of islam off thier souls.
But who knows maybe the couples would choose to stay in hellistan.
Either way i don't care.They are old enough and smart enough to decide.It all boils down to what will be will be.
keep polishing nassem.
atheling: I'm with you here. If an institution, in this case the Catholic Church, has a set of rules, then it's hardly mature of anyone to complain that they can belong to the institution without following the rules. And I realized shortly after I posted my comment to PMK that I should have written that someone not accepting the directives of the Church on marriage would be denied the sacraments, but the extreme penalty of excommunication would not be forthcoming except in the most extraordinary of circumstances. I don't like being sloppy but I was on this one, so you were right to point this out.
Wellington:
I can hardly accuse you of being sloppy in this instance when you're not even Catholic. Most Catholics aren't even aware of the finer points of Canon Law!
Islam may be behind the times in the marriage department but it was hardly unique. For most of its history the Catholic Church would sanctify a marriage between a Catholic and a non-Catholic only on the condition that any children from the marriage be baptized and raised as Catholics. This was church policy at least until Vatican II.
_________
As far as I know this is still the case.
I believe that the Catholic spouse must agree to raise their children Catholic, and the non-Catholic spouse must be aware of this and also agree to this. The Bishop must also agree to the marriage in such a case (Catholic and non-Catholic).
If they converted, they should be kicked out.
Monkeywho:
It depends on the bishop. Some bishops give the pastors within their diocese free rein to decide whether or not the marriage can take place. Some require that the pastor consult them. It's pretty flexible.
Will these mushheads stay with the military ?
If they do, they constitute a danger to the mission.
Ah, they are saying, the relief, not to have to think anymore and just bow down and also have lots of bedroom activity. Maybe they could get more than one wife.
The road to hell.
That's great maybe they can move to my home town of Vancouver, BC in Canada and attend Muslim Day at the Playjand funpark.
http://www.pakcan.com/
Sums up my feelings exactly. But due to the whitewash about Islam and the global jihad, it will have escaped most people's notice that by converting thus - these soldiers have essentially joined the enemy camp - the army of Islam.
(Since from our perspective we're not fighting a religious war, we can't exactly accuse them of treason by joining up with the enemy camp (although I could see it coming to that in the future when enough people figure out that we are in fact engaged in a religious war, albeit a defensive war, against our will)).
Nonetheless, one might hope that these soldiers come to change their mind and I actually very much hope that that results in their being accused of apostasy and hence "treason" by their new found friends, with all the penalties that entails.
There was certainly an excuse for such ignorance going back to 2003/2004. But coming up to 2007, there's no excuse for such ignorance any more - from any parties, including US soldiers.
Dry runs being conducted, could be hit in 90 days
http://the-gathering-storm.blogspot.com/2007/07/storm-track-infiltration-terrorists-may.html
this just proves that some men can be as stupid as some women.. and or some men will do anything to get some women under the covers.
Easiest way to get women under the covers is convert them to Islam and had them a burqa.
My opinion of this depends on what will happen to these soliders from this point on. If they take their new wives back to the States with them, then I say more power to them--they're removing two women from lives of potential servitude. On the other hand, if they're gonna remain in Afghanistan, then they are traitors and should be treated as such.
Bring back your new brides. I'm sure they love you 'long-time'.
Two Muslin Women marrying two Kuffars and no honor killings? I'm shocked!
Come to think of it, how did the GI's get to know these women? I thought that women were not allowed contact with males other than family members. Very strange.
TEXROCK,
I would imagine that they had established some kind of rapport with a male family member during the course of their patrols, who suggested the idea. It is also possible that Muslim family was not very strict about this and allowed the daughters to talk with the solider while on duty.
One suggestion that always crosses my mind in cases like these is that the Muslims will sometimes pay people to convert to Islam, especially "Christians", which I imagine the US soldiers must be perceived as. My parents meet two European women who had been paid about $30,000 (I think, amound is not sure) to convert to Islam in the 1980s.
Two potential GI votes for FRED THOMPSON.
Thompson hired pro-Islamist Spencer Abraham as his campaign manager.
What part of his body was he thinking with ... his behind?
He's out of the race before he even enters!
One suggestion that always crosses my mind in cases like these is that the Muslims will sometimes pay people to convert to Islam, especially "Christians", which I imagine the US soldiers must be perceived as. My parents meet two European women who had been paid about $30,000 (I think, amound is not sure) to convert to Islam in the 1980s.
Posted by: non-redneck at July 27, 2007 10:39 PM
Why on earth would muslims pay people to convert to islam?! Money can't buy sincerity or faith, and a woman who converts to islam for money or love won't have either for very long. No amount of money would tempt me to sell my soul to the devil.
Oh boy, we'll be hearing about this one in the forums such as YouTube. Stupid men. They apparently didn't believe in anything before. Converting to islam? When you are over there seeing your buddies blown to hell...you convert? I will never understand a grown person taking on islam.
"Two American soldiers convert to Islam, marry in Afghanistan"
If they each marry their allotment of three more wives, do American tax payers have to pay for them and all the resulting offspring?
Naseem:
I have a thick brillo beard. Gray, with hints of red. If, I were to sheer my upper lip, I would have a chance at you.
I am also close in age to you. I'm older, but still fit; within the USDA guidelines of fitness. That is a start.
In my mind, I see a sexy muslima, that, I am not permitted to have. In my mind, I wonder how I'm able to attain this....My mind's eye sees this pretty hijab attired woman strolling through the square; her beauty dazzling all. She walks with grace and a sexuality that few can perceive. My mind explodes in sexual lust and longing. Her eyes, staring with sexual provocation, entices me. What choice do I have?
Many. Many choices. You, my sexy, hopefully bride to be, have none.
Happy Trails.
What is the point of comments like this???
And since when is Spencer Abraham pro-Islamist? I am curious...
breezy55:
ROFL!!!
My guess would be that these two got caught with their pants down and are the participants in a shotgun...er.....AK47 wedding.
I bet the story is fake. Has there been a confirmation of who they are and who they married?
And when do soldiers in Afghanistan get time off to fraternise with, and marry the enemy? There is something fishy about this story.
And if it did happen, it had to happen with the permission of their commanding officer, or higher even. I dont think that happened.
http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=7521
Two Muslims got married in a Christian church in Leeds.
This world is topsy turvy.
ThinkForYourself:
Debbie Schlussel has the story on Spencer Abraham and Fred Thompson.
Thompson has committed political suicide with this appointment. His (trophy) wife was rumored to have had a hand in this.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2007/07/jihad_fred_fred.html
atheling-
TANCREDO-HUNTER 2008?
After the rest have shot themslves in the foot enough times, these guys may break out of the pre-packaged "campaign".
breezy55,
Nicely done. I read that post in earnest seeing where it would lead.
Kudos to you, Sir.
Some poor losers will do anything to get a little leg.
And, I'm going to get a little leg from Pakistan? I live in America. And, how is that going to happen? You don't get it. I feel sorry for you. Enough said.
profitsbeard:
I would LOVE to see Tancredo in the White House but I don't think he has a chance. Historically Americans rarely elect Congressmen and Senators.
I think it'll be Giuliani, who is too socially liberal but I'll take him over Hillary anyday.
The election begins one year from now. What idiots.
Atheling, thanks for the link on Abraham. I used to live in Michigan when he was Senator there, and I couldn't stand the guy.
Anyways, regarding the Muslim wedding in the Church in Leeds... might as well. I mean, for one, according to the Pope, it isn't a real church )even more so, it is a Unitarian Church- they who reject the Holy Trinity), and even if it were, it's not like the Brits are really using their churches over there that much these days anyways...
Alright. I read the DS article on Spence and Fred Thompson. This guy, Spence, is worse than I thought/remember. I recall seeing some polls whereby Thompson had a fair amount of support before he even declared his candidacy the presidential race. Well, as this word gets around, his support will not continue to escalate. It will plummet.
Didn't Meathead have a song that went something like-
I would do anything for your love...
but I won't...
do that!
It is not right to generalize that the folks most ready to convert to Islam from the US seem to be black...
Islam is against our God-given freedom of the will. Islam's motto is: "Don't question. Just obey."
Since they know what some of their forefathers went through, many blacks recognize Islam for what it is: Another form of slavery. And not too subtle at that.
Many blacks also know history and know that the Arabs began the slave trade on the East African coast.
Blacks also don't forget the blood of the Ethiopians. Arabs have been keen to besiege and destroy the African Ethiopian Kingdom, jealous of the superior culture of the Ethiopians.
There is another 'Islam conference' in Morocco, unfortunately I couldn't find anything on the net yet, but CNN has been providing a forum for Islamic propaganda already. I am always amazed how these professional liars put a spin on this vile and evil cult, where bad is good and good is bad.
Then there is the Newsweep propaganda campaign.
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/projects/muslimsspeakout/index.html
I will start with the Agha Khan and do them one by one.There's the creepy Esposito and peanut Khadr, these shameless whores, on whom we have enough material.
But I havn't got much on the others, so if you have any info sent it in, its appreciated!
breezy55
Naseem has stated here in the past that she has a daughter - nail her instead ;-)
november1981
Meathead had the right theme - just need to apply it in this case to Islam
Also, hope that all those Thompson supporters here and elsewhere would switch to Tancredo.
Romney is good too, and given that governors (and VPs) usually are the ones that end up as presidents, (Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, GW Bush), he'd be the best choice. Tommy Thompson and Huckabee don't exactly cut it, and Gilmore is out. I wouldn't mind Rudy either, but I do wish he'd be more neutral in intra-Islamic conflicts (e.g. Hamas vs. Fatah), and not try to prevent them in the first place. Same goes for Romney.
Naseem...a brillo beard? Rough as brillo pads?
"that look is so....sexy."
Sexy is off limits,but what does anyone really expect from a case study in self-deception.
kafir world-
Nature does not seem to care what men and women think is sexy, it does not care if they get along either, all nature cares about is that they get together and do the wild thing. A lot of guys are partial to long leg types like Ann Coulter. Recently, I saw her in an interview with some guy where she was dangling her shoe on her foot as he was asking her questions (they were seated across from each other). I kept thinking: how can he concentrate on the interview? It had to be tough. Nature trumps all.
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On the matter of Muslim deception: this will be their undoing. Most people have no problem with differences of opinion with sincere people. But it is natural to feel cold with someone who is a deciever. Nature trumps all.
Infidel Pride:
Really! She has a daughter? Is she of age? Wait a minute...what am I thinking?
..give them a dishonorable discharge and ban them from returning to the US....
Okay, what's their names...Last I heard this was not confirmed...so until then, it is a rumour.
Assalamau Laikum Breezy55,
Presumably, your handle means that you are 55 years old.
I'm afraid you are too old for me...mensfolk die before womens anyway...I am 47.
I am interested in a bootsmaker in Lahore town...he has just the type of beard I like...with the mustache shaved....but I don't know if he is Ahmadi...and I don't know how to take this forward to a relationship...it's very difficult for a muslims to take things forward.
My son is 25 will be marrying a kaffur (Sara) ..who says she will convert to Ahmadi Islam because she loves him...and that's fine.
He met her when he was at Uni in the UK...they plan to marry netx year.
As for my daughter...she is now 20...close to finishing her degree at Lahore Uni. If I can help it at all ...she will marry Ahmadi Muslim.
The only way she will marry a christian is if she wants to break off with me. This does not mean that I would consider anything so stupid as honor killing ..because that's just plain stupid...but she would lead her life ...and I would lead mine...and leave it like that.
I hope this does not happen as I am very close to my daughter...although she does not share my vision of sharia lite for Pak and the world.
The one thing which I would be most against is if she ever considered marrying a hindoo ...ugh! especially a bloody brahmin.
I wouldn't mind much if she considered a sikh though...them I have time for.
Are these soldiers black, Hispanic or white? I would guess they are black or Hispanic because you won't see many whites converting to Islam, and those Afghan women look 20 years older than their actual age, i.e., at 20 they look 40.
So this is what they meant when they said "winning over hearts and minds".
Susanp,
You are correct that money cannot buy sincerity of faith, but sincererty of faith is not the point.
I don't believe the Muslims care whether the person is sincere, just as long as he goes through the motions and says the right things. I believe it is the Wahhabis that are most responsible for payments for conversion to Islam.
I have read in some literature than some of the more extreme clerics offer their followers money to convert Christians to Islam. They have some kind of graded pay scale (layman = $50,000, deacon=$75,000, pastor=$100.000 or something like that. Numbers are just an example and probably not correct)
The offer of generally attractive, obedient wife must be tempting to a man. Consider the alternatives in USA. A man marries and statistically speaking, the wife is at least 35% likely to divorce him (50% USA divorce rate, 70% of divorce cases are filed by the wife) and take half his money and possibly file fake domestic violence charges against him.
Assuming these soliders were nominal Christian men (why else would they convert, women aren't required to convert to Islam to marry a Muslim man), they may have been aware that the divorce rate among Christians (born-agains/evangelicals) is higher than among atheists.
They may have decided it was better (practically speaking) to marry a woman who is less likely to divorce them. So they may have decided their faith was not worth it.
"I am very close to my daughter...although she does not share my vision of sharia lite for Pak and the world."
Naseem, your daughter has more sense than you.
These guys were boffing some serious Muslim strange in the "bush" as it were. So they have to "convert" to bring it back to the states ... yeah right. The party is on in Afghanistan ... it seems. Either that or these guys are pediphiles ... whom taking advantage of Islamic customs have found the perfect religion to ply thier perversions.
redneck:
I don't get your logic on assuming they were Christian men who converted. Can't an agnostic or atheist convert?
oops sorry, I should have said non-redneck.
Oops, sorry, should have said non redneck.
oops, sorry, should have said non redneck.
Great. Now we get to blow THEM up too.
Aspects of fraternisation between infidel troops and the local women in Muslim countries during the 19th century were remarked upon by Sir Richard Burton in a rather wild essay at the end of his 'Arabian Nights.' In it, he argues that there is a 'sotadic zone' bounded by certain latitudes north of the equator, in which homosexuality is prevalent.It includes two amusing passages on the reaction of Muslim women to the presence of (heterosexual) British troops in their midsts.
"We can hardly wonder at the loose conduct of Persian women perpetually mortified by marital pederasty.During the unhappy campaign of 1856-7 in which, with the exception of a few brilliant skirmishes, we gained no glory, Sir James Outram and the Bombay army showing how badly they could work, there was a formal outburst of the Harems; and even women of princely birth could not be kept out of the officers' quarters."
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"The Afghans are commercial travellers on a large scale and each caravan is accompanied by a number of boys and lads almost in woman's attire with kohl'd eyes and rouged cheeks, long tresses and henna'd fingers and toes, riding luxuriously in Kajawas or camel-panniers: they are called Kuch-i safari, or travelling wives, and the husbands trudge patiently by their sides. In Afghanistan also a frantic debauchery broke out amongst the women when they found incubi who were not pederasts; and the scandal was not the most insignificant cause of the general rising at Cabul (Nov. 1841), and the slaughter of Macnaghten, Burnes and other British officers."
The essay, full of bizarre and dubious stories as well as some fairly whacky scholarship, is at:
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/burton-te.html
Naseem:
I am truly heartbroken.
"An unidentified U.S. military spokesman said he is working to verify the account, but added that freedom of religion is a protected right under the U.S. Constitution."
Really? If the story is true, the soldiers are OK as far as the current interpretation of the Constitution is concerned because they converted to Islam, not Christianity.