"Miss Banaz had asked police for help four times but was not taken seriously. She even gave officers a list of five people she suspected would harm her and Mr Sulemani."
"'Honour killing' father jailed for life," by Adam Fresco and Steve Bird for the TimesOnline (thanks to Block Ness):
A strict Muslim father who murdered his daughter in an 'honour killing' because she brought “shame” on his family by falling in love with the wrong man was jailed for life today.Mahmod Mahmod was told that he would serve a minimum of 20 years for the murder of Banaz Mahmod. Her uncle, Ari Mahmod, was also jailed for life and told he would serve a minimum of 23 years at the Old Bailey today.
Ms Banaz, 20, had already displeased her family by walking out of an arranged marriage. After she was caught kissing Rahmat Sulemani, an Iranian Kurd, it was decided at a family meeting that they both had to die.
Two months later, Miss Mahmod vanished. None of her family reported her missing.
Only Mr Sulemani went to the police to say that his girlfriend's worst fears had come true.
Three months later, her naked body was found crammed into a suitcase and dumped in a 6ft makeshift grave below a pile of bin bags, a rusting fridge and a discarded television in a back garden in Birmingham. The bootlace that was used to strangle her was still tied around her neck.
A third killer Mohamad Hama, 30, was told that he would spend at least 17 years behind bars.
He, along with three other men who have left the country, killed her after she was raped and tortured for two hours. Miss Banaz was garrotted for five minutes but took half an hour to die as Hama stamped on her neck to “let her soul out”, the court heard.
Miss Banaz had asked police for help four times but was not taken seriously. She even gave officers a list of five people she suspected would harm her and Mr Sulemani.
What happened to Miss Banaz is horrible. It makes me sick to the guts to realize that this demonic mentality is being brought to the civilized nations of the West.
What kind of a father hands his own daughter to be RAPED and killed by other men? COme to think of it, did they do a DNA test? Perhaps he was one of the guys who "took turns on her". Shame shame shame.
And has there been any Muslim rage over such an action?
We know there wasn't and won't be.
Hear any rage from the brits that this goes on in thier country?
No and you won't.
The eventual re-adoption of the death sentence by "enlightened" European societies is as sure as the eventual collapse of political correctness and multiculturalism. Just as mad dogs are put to sleep, so too these beasts should be killed, and any other punishment is nothing more than misplaced pity and the mercy of fools.
Dar al-harb, we don't do the rage thing very often, we just don't let murderers off because of religion. They were sentenced to a minimum of 20 years, and that's what they'll serve. Good, they probably wonder what all the fuss is about, and are amazed that, unlike in some Islamic paradise(Iran, Iraq, Pakistan), they can't simply bribe there way out of it.
The muslims won't be out protesting because nobody did a cartoon of it. The extreme left won't be protesting, why is that?
Even if it was an "honour" killing, by some harsh village code, surely you'd ensure a quick death for your own daughter? How is rape and torture honourable? They're twisted world view, where women are of less worth than livestock, combined with their twisted sexual obsession, all dressed up as a more moral way to behave.
Heaven forbid that we see a flash of ankle on the way to the mosque, as you walk past the sort of poverty and deprivation that hasn't been seen in the West for years.
There wasn't Muslim outrage against the honour killing, but I'm pretty sure there'll be some kind of Muslim outrage at the life sentence.
We shall see.
Oh and life should mean life, but that's a different topic ;)
Well, it was important for them to rape her so she couldn't go to heaven, although I can't for the life of me figure out why any woman would want to go to Islam's version. The torture was probably just a form of displacement because her dad had a bad day at the office.
Her mother must be so proud.
The preponderance of evidence means there is no possible doubt as to the perpetrators. The death penalty is appropriate for this, for all the conspirators. These savages need to know the consequences of their actions - if they want to cleanse their family of "shame", i.e. a daughter who refuses to live in the shadow of fear, they whole family involved in the conspiracy of her destruction must follow her to the grave. I am not one to support the death penalty, because the legal process is flawed, and you can't take it back, but in this case I see the worth of such a deterrent.
OK but the British police have been "investigating" 200 honour killings over the last 10 years. I think about TWO have got to court; does anyone have a different figure? It seems prosecutions only take place when they are unavoidable e.g. when a body is found or as happened in the last case the victims screams are heard by the whole street.
I agree that those who did this all deserve the death penalty. Unfortunately, in "enlightened" Europe that's not an option. So my second hope is, that like in US, Russian, and Latin American prisons, other inmates may do society a service by shanking these beasts to death.
Banaz Mahmod would be alive today, if this family had not come to the West. She mistakenly understood that freedoms that Britain grants, was for all, and applied to her as well. She was wrong - her culture followed her here, and raped and murdered her.
Banaz Mahmod is dead, but her entire family has been destroyed as well. It is not just the wider society in Britain that is under stress, but Muslims as well - stressed enough to rape and kill their own daughters.
This is what unrestricted immigration of any and all, and multiculturalism, does.
She asked for help, she got none. Wouldn't want to insult islam.
Quijybo
The most drastic punishment that we can give to Muslims is deportation back to Muslim lands. The reason is that they wont be able to wage Jihad anymore - dawa in prison, and a burden on the Infidel.
Dose of reality:
- a woman is raped, tortured and killed. The left and feminists say nothing. Cultural relativity, you know.
- I'll say it again: They are colonists, not immigrants. They are not here to enjoy the fruits of our culture beyond abusing it - they are here to expand their own at the expense of ours. They are oil to our water. They must be made to assimilate, or leave. That's not inhuman. That's sensible. Funny how in 2007 this is deemed 'racist' or 'right wing', when for thousands of years it's been known as survival.
- I believe, now truly, that there are widespread and massive elements of mental derangement in western culture. SEE ROME at the end....it's softness & decadence (see Burzun) led to it's downfall. The 7th century jihadists are continuously expressing the war in those terms...because that is what it is to them. The destruction of the fruits of our ancestors who are us today. The disconnect is just astounding. You don't have to be a raging born again christian to see that we are who we are because of who we were. You can not erase the past, try as you may.
Nothing I've said is not level-headed logical and common sense.
So, if this is the case, how do you arrive at the result of self-preservation in the midst of a multi faceted threat to our way of life? Our children's? Our great-great-great grandchildren whom we'll never see?
Answer me, Pelosi, Carter, Kerry, Obama, Kennedy, Brown, Merckel, and that Mr. Bean twit we never hear of much now from Spain...
Oh, and Naseem, hydra of the online illogic, revel in the sweet sickly taste of your culture. Enjoy, and please enlighten us on the honour of rape torture and murder the next time you flit in like a little black wasp to sting with your supremacism of something less than zero.
Scum.
"These savages need to know the consequences of their actions - if they want to cleanse their family of "shame", i.e. a daughter who refuses to live in the shadow of fear, they whole family involved in the conspiracy of her destruction must follow her to the grave."
Posted by: Quijybo at July 20, 2007 6:36 PM
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Maybe we can publicize the old Japanese tradition of hara-kiri in Muslim countries? "Hey, feeling shame? Neighbors go out of their way to ignore you? That's a common problem, but it CAN be fixed: the solution? Cut your intestines out! Guaranteed to put the shine back on your family's honor again!"
No matter what anybody thinks or says about Christianity, it doesn't encourage this, ever. There is no such thing as an honor killing or a suicide that's sanctioned by Christ.
Perhaps in our infinite wisdom in the west we miss the point that we will submit to something. We submit to our appetites, or we submit to our addictions or we can choose to submit to long hours at work, or we can submit to the true God. Perhaps what Jesus says is really true, i.e., you are either for Me or against Me. And maybe that equates to we either give in to Him or we give in to the opposite, we give in to Allah. And since we've gotten so good at rejecting Him in the past couple of centuries, maybe that is why Islam, in all it's illogical, unreasonable and downright despicable glory is coming at us full force. Just a thought.
The soccer hooligans are probably heating up the oil as we speak.
Hate to throw a wrench in the gears, but honor killings are a cultural phenomenon and are not unique to Muslim societies.
I haven't looked it up, but I'd bet the tradition is thousands of years old (read: pre-Islam).
Yes, the preponderance of such killings are committed by Muslims; but there is nothing in Qur'an or Sunnah (that I'm aware of) sanctioning such behavior.
Perhaps the British police should acknowledge that and stop trying to avoid offending Muslims over an issue not truly rooted in Islam.
I'm glad those responsible will suffer the consequences of their actions, and expect the same for any such perpetrator--without regard to religious affiliation.
Quote:"Hate to throw a wrench in the gears, but honor killings are a cultural phenomenon and are not unique to Muslim societies."
So? It is a fact that in the west 99,9% of such "honour" killngs are perpetrated by Muslims while elsewhere in the world you can guess at about 90%. The tradition is 1000s of years old as daughters were a handy trading article for gold or treaties or just debt. Unfortunately western society has no real wish to revert to prehistoric cultural extravaganzas such as this unlike the Muslims who cling to this, stoning, decapitation and other grueseome relics as though they were part of the Koran(which most if not all of them are).
So, bring out the death sentence for scum like this!! I have been against such sentences all of my life but what is the point of incarcerating a person who feels that he has done no wrong and would surely do it again given the need? Like gaoling convicted muslim criminals they simply use gaol to proselytise and organise their next steps. Bring on the boiling liquids!!!
It is interesting to note that when I studied the Holocaust and visited multiple sites of camps, both concentration and extermination, I wondered just how it would be possible for I myself to feel this way about a group as I have never disliked anyone or any group that much. well now thanks to Muhammad I have found this feeling and while they continue in their determined way I am seeing them less and less as humans worthy of keeping alive and more and more like viruses such as Ebola and Marburg and that is with no virtues worth saving at all and a danger to the whole of mankind. Not exactly PC, but reality nonetheless.
"So?"
A strict Muslim father who murdered his daughter in an 'honour killing' because she brought “shame” on his family by falling in love with the wrong man was jailed for life today.
Because his religious beliefs are irrelevant to this crime.
The issue, here, should be the cultures which teach, condone, or accept this behavior; behavior that is illegal in Western nations.
"Unfortunately western society has no real wish to revert to prehistoric cultural extravaganzas such as this."
I believe that should be "[F]ortunately..."
“Hear any rage from the brits that this goes on in thier country?
No and you won't.”
Well, we don’t go in for rage – as a civilized people we just sentence them to life imprisonment by due processes of law. We leave rage to our enemies and those who sit comfortably in front of their computers slagging off “Brits”.
PRCS..."fortunately" in fact but "unfortunately" for the perpetrators in context.
I agree with yr sentiments and as a father I cannot comprehend the killing of a daughter and IMHO it cancels instantly one's humanity thus all of them should have been "put down" like rabid dogs(which they are).
JFGR..I don't really think anyone here is really antiBritish but the UK political establishment seems bent upon selfdestruction while typical UK stoicism may be misplaced here as Rome is already on fire.
The BBC seem to have an ambivalent attitude to the phrase honour killing. In two radio news broadcasts about this case they didn't use the term at all and n a third occasion it was stated that 'the police have referred to it as an honour killing.' I sent an email of complaint to one of their channels on the last occasion of their reporting such a murder, because they hadn't used the words and oddly enough the radio presenter proceeded to employ the phrase later in the programme, but you could hear the diffidence in her voice - as though it was something BBC staff are not quite sure that it is politically correct to use. As someone brought up to regard he BBC as the epitome of objectivity I find this phenomenon really creepy.
"Well, we don’t go in for rage – as a civilized people we just sentence them to life imprisonment by due processes of law. We leave rage to our enemies and those who sit comfortably in front of their computers slagging off “Brits”."
JFGR, you can cut the sanctimonious crap; 20 years isn't "life in prison" either. Your country does not know how to punish criminals -- a woman is raped, tortured, and murdered, yet you are too civilized to execute the guilty. Okay, but can't you at least give them LIFE in prison? Or are you too civilized to mete out justice?
Do all your heinous criminals only have to serve 20 years maximum? That was, after all, the sentence given to the Muslim thugs who kidnapped a 15 year old boy, stabbed him and set him on fire until he died, for doing nothing more than walking down the street with a friend.
I don't hate Brits and I don't hate Britain; I'm simply disgusted at what your country has become, that's all. Try to dig through the PC multiculti shit and see if you can find your pride and honor buried below, that's all. Before it's too late.
AmericanJewess
We have NO criminals in the UK! There is NO SUCH THING as crime!
Our MSM tell us we just have a few problems caused by racism and deprivation which can be sorted out by the right social programmes.
But just in case you think we are all crazy take a look at this, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/07/20/do2005.xml
AmericanJewess
A Life sentence in the UK is worth about 10 to 12 years at most. I think the EU Human Rights legislation has something to do with this.
DP111
Doesn’t the “life” aspect mean that in theory they can be rearrested and jailed without trial until the end of their lives if they commit another offence? Otherwise I agree, the Human Rights crew do not like long sentences - for anything.
PS - I think 7-8 years "life" is more common.
It's much more complicated than life means a decade. People get life and if the home secretary deems that the public want them to serve life, they will.
There are plenty of people going through our prison system who will never see freedom.
Whether our latest terrorists will get long terms is entirely dependent upon the people running the Home Office at the time of their potential release and the public mood. I don't have a crystal ball so I can't tell you how long they will get.
Multiculturalism hard at work. How long will it take the British to wake up to the enemy in their midst?